Re: Odd quirk in folder_format display

[Chris Green]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:15:45PM +0100, Chris Green wrote:
> I have quite a few levels of directories below my ~/mail directory.
> 
> For some reason when I navigate through some of them the numbers of
> messages are displayed whereas in others they aren't.
> 
... and of course I've now spotted the reason:-

%m, %n, and %N only work for monitored mailboxes.

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Odd quirk in folder_format display

[Chris Green]

I have quite a few levels of directories below my ~/mail directory.

For some reason when I navigate through some of them the numbers of
messages are displayed whereas in others they aren't.

Here is my Ju (junk) folder as displayed in mutt:-

-- Mutt: Directory [Ju], File mask: !^\.[^.]
->   ../
 canals/
 digikam/
 dokuwiki/
 leafnode/
 postponed/
 rsync/
 xfce/


... and here is my In (inboxes) folder:-

-- Mutt: Directory [In], File mask: !^\.[^.]
->   ../
 cl/190
 default/   852
 freegle/40
 inbox/ 300
 odin/   30
 tinnews/00



... and here are (some of) their contents:-

chris@esprimo$ cd ~/mail/In
/home/chris/mail/In
chris@esprimo$ ls -l
total 24
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Feb 26 18:10 cl
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Sep 25  2020 default
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Feb 19 13:53 freegle
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Sep 25  2020 inbox
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Sep 25  2020 odin
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Feb 27 00:25 tinnews
chris@esprimo$ ls -l cl
total 12
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 15 09:14 cur
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 10:18 new
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 05:01 tmp
chris@esprimo$ cd ~/mail/Ju
/home/chris/mail/Ju
chris@esprimo$ ls -l
total 28
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Apr 17 20:38 canals
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Nov 24  2020 digikam
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Nov 18  2020 dokuwiki
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Apr 10 12:03 leafnode
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 19:39 postponed
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Nov 18  2020 rsync
drwx-- 5 chris chris 4096 Nov 19  2020 xfce
chris@esprimo$ ls -l canals
total 12
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 19:36 cur
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 19:36 new
drwx-- 2 chris chris 4096 Jun 21 17:49 tmp




I don't understand why I'm not seeing message counts in the Ju folder.
There are similar 'some work, some don't work' folders elsewhere in my
mail folders.

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Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Cameron Simpson]

On 24Apr2017 18:02, Marcus C. Gottwald  wrote:

Cameron Simpson wrote (Tue 2017-Apr-18 08:51:01 +1000):

... and I stick the X-Label value on the right of the listing.


Thank you for having mentioned this. I have been adding X-Label
headers for years (via procmail, for many but not all incoming
emails), mostly using them for "~y" in manually typed index
limits and for a few save-hooks, but I never thought of getting
them displayed in the index.

My index_format has now been extended by "%* %?y?  %y?": If there
is an X-Label, it will be shown right-justified (prepended with
two spaces for visual separation), and if there is no X-Label,
the index row will look just like before.


And in turn, thank you for sharing your new format setting. I've just changed 
mine based on that:


 -set index_format="%D %-15.15F %S %?M?(%M) ?%?H?[%H] ?%s%>  %y %4c"
 +set index_format="%D %-15.15F %S %?M?(%M) ?%?H?[%H] ?%s%* %?y? %y? %4c"

having read up on the difference between "%>" (right justify) and "%*" (soft 
fill) and decided that I prioritise the X-Label over the subject line.


Cheers,
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Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Marcus C. Gottwald]

Cameron Simpson wrote (Tue 2017-Apr-18 08:51:01 +1000):

> ... and I stick the X-Label value on the right of the listing.

Thank you for having mentioned this. I have been adding X-Label
headers for years (via procmail, for many but not all incoming
emails), mostly using them for "~y" in manually typed index
limits and for a few save-hooks, but I never thought of getting
them displayed in the index.

My index_format has now been extended by "%* %?y?  %y?": If there
is an X-Label, it will be shown right-justified (prepended with
two spaces for visual separation), and if there is no X-Label,
the index row will look just like before.

Cheers, Marcus

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Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Oliver Graute]

On 12/04/17, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Oliver Graute wrote:
> > how can I strip of the first 23 chars of my filename string in the
> > folder_format setting?
> 
> I don't believe the built-in format specifiers give this functionality.
> You may want to try using a filter:
> https://dev.mutt.org/doc/manual.html#formatstrings-filters

thx for this filer hint.

to transform format string

11   N Apr 12 08:19 =usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists.mutt-users/

into

11   N Apr 12 08:19 Mailinglists.mutt-users/

just set this into .muttrc

set folder_format = "$HOME/Scripte/cut.sh '%2C %t %N %d %f'|"$

write a little script with sed replacement

cat cut.sh
#!/bin/bash
echo "$1" | sed 's/=usern...@provider.com\///'

Best Regards,

Oliver


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Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Cameron Simpson]

On 17Apr2017 10:04, derek martin <inva...@pizzashack.org> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Oliver Graute wrote:

how can I strip of the first 23 chars of my filename string in the
folder_format setting?

so that:
11   N Apr 12 08:19 =usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists.mutt-users/

looks like this
11   N Apr 12 08:19 Mailinglists.mutt-users/


An alternative, which may or may not help with other aspects of
managing your mail, is to reorganize your mail folders.  For example,
if you made Mailinglist a directory rather than a prefix, you could
set folder = ~/$YOUR_MAIL_ROOT/usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists
and then add a Mailboxes for mutt-users and your other mailing lists.

If you had a number of these folders for different providers, you
could perhaps use a macro to change the value of folder.  Or, it may
be simplest to forgo using a deep directory tree entirely and just put
all your mail folders in the same mail root directory.


And another alternative is to aggressively set the X-Label: header when you 
file your email. Almost all my mail rules set this, and I stick the X-Label 
value on the right of the listing.


Example (artificially narrowed to fit in this message, this is more readable in 
a normal terminal):


 12Apr2017 03:53 derek martinN  ├>Mutt-Dev 1.7K
 11Apr2017 02:21 Kevin J. McCart - ┌> Mutt-Dev 1.9K
 10Apr2017 04:58 Derek Schrock   - [PATCH] Add option $beep
 13Apr2017 23:31 Brendan Cully   N mutt: 4 new changesets M
 13Apr2017 06:02 Will YardleyN   ┌> Mutt-Users 0.7K
 13Apr2017 05:12 Charles Cazabon N  ┌>  Mutt-Users 1.4K

See the "Mutt-Dev" and "Mutt-Users" on the right? I do have my mail folder set 
in the header line, where there is more room.


My settings are as follows:

 set folder_format="%4C %t %N %f"
 set index_format="%D %-15.15F %S %?M?(%M) ?%?H?[%H] ?%s%>  %y %4c"

The mail filing rule I use to get that "Mutt-Dev" above is this:

 muttMutt-Devsender:owner-mutt-...@mutt.org

My motivation for the X-Label is that I file similar topics in shared folders 
(mutt/mail, python, unix/shell, etc) so the label tells me the list associated 
with it. But you can put all sorts of stuff in there; for non-lists I use 
"Personal" and so forth as seems useful.


Combined with Derek's suggestion this might go some distance to your wishes.

Cheers,
Cameron Simpson <c...@zip.com.au>

Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Derek Martin]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Oliver Graute wrote:
> how can I strip of the first 23 chars of my filename string in the
> folder_format setting?
> 
> so that:
> 
> 11   N Apr 12 08:19 =usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists.mutt-users/
> 
> looks like this
> 
> 11   N Apr 12 08:19 Mailinglists.mutt-users/

An alternative, which may or may not help with other aspects of
managing your mail, is to reorganize your mail folders.  For example,
if you made Mailinglist a directory rather than a prefix, you could
set folder = ~/$YOUR_MAIL_ROOT/usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists
and then add a Mailboxes for mutt-users and your other mailing lists.

If you had a number of these folders for different providers, you
could perhaps use a macro to change the value of folder.  Or, it may
be simplest to forgo using a deep directory tree entirely and just put
all your mail folders in the same mail root directory.

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Re: strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Kevin J. McCarthy]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Oliver Graute wrote:
> how can I strip of the first 23 chars of my filename string in the
> folder_format setting?

I don't believe the built-in format specifiers give this functionality.
You may want to try using a filter:
https://dev.mutt.org/doc/manual.html#formatstrings-filters

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strip of some filename chars in folder_format setting

[Oliver Graute]

Hello list,

how can I strip of the first 23 chars of my filename string in the
folder_format setting?

set folder_format = "%2C %t %N %d %f"$

so that:

11   N Apr 12 08:19 =usern...@provider.com/Mailinglists.mutt-users/

looks like this

11   N Apr 12 08:19 Mailinglists.mutt-users/

Best regards,

Oliver

folder_format not working for imap folders

[David Woodfall]

My folder_format seems to be ignored for my imap folders:

set folder_format=%d %N %f

Nothing at all shows left of the folder name.

What I have set in muttrc:

set spoolfile=imaps://domain.net
set folder=imaps://domain.net
mailboxes +=imaps://domain.net
mailboxes +=INBOX
etc

Dave

Re: $folder_format with IMAP

[du yang]

On Saturday 03/26/11 06:42:16 CST, Aaron Toponce wrote:
 It seems that may printf() sequences that are available for $folder_format
 aren't working when using IMAP. I'm guessing that many of these are for
 local folders only? Flags like %d for example. In fact, the only working
 string that seems to display anything for me is the following:
 
 set folder_format=%3C %3N %f
 
 Has anyone else notices this? Is there something else that I need to set?
 I'm coming up short with anything that would say one way or the other.
 
 Thanks,
 

Same with me, I think they are available in printf() but mostly the values of 
those flags are empty.

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$folder_format with IMAP

[Aaron Toponce]

It seems that may printf() sequences that are available for $folder_format
aren't working when using IMAP. I'm guessing that many of these are for
local folders only? Flags like %d for example. In fact, the only working
string that seems to display anything for me is the following:

set folder_format=%3C %3N %f

Has anyone else notices this? Is there something else that I need to set?
I'm coming up short with anything that would say one way or the other.

Thanks,

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Re: Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-12-10) and folder_format

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Dave Wood d...@unrealize.co.uk [12-13-08 23:23]:
 Just testing 1.5.18 and noticed that now %s is showing in KBytes
 instead of bytes. Is there a new format for bytes?

No, I'm still on 1.5.13 and KBytes are shown, but it is %c, not %s.
%s represents the message subject in $index_format.

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Re: Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-12-10) and folder_format

[John J. Foster]

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 07:35:51AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Dave Wood d...@unrealize.co.uk [12-13-08 23:23]:
  Just testing 1.5.18 and noticed that now %s is showing in KBytes
  instead of bytes. Is there a new format for bytes?
 
 No, I'm still on 1.5.13 and KBytes are shown, but it is %c, not %s.
 %s represents the message subject in $index_format.
 

from TFM,

3.59. folder_format
Type: string
Default: %2C %t %N %F %2l %-8.8u %-8.8g %8s %d %f
...
%s   size in bytes

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Re: Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-12-10) and folder_format

[George Davidovich]

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:21:07AM +, Dave Wood wrote:
 Just testing 1.5.18 and noticed that now %s is showing in KBytes
 instead of bytes. Is there a new format for bytes?

You'll get K only if the mailbox is smaller than a megabyte, otherwise
you'll get M.

I brought up the issue 6 months ago, and the lack of response suggests
that it's not a widespread problem.

-- 
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Re: Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-12-10) and folder_format

[George Davidovich]

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 06:09:18PM +, Dave Wood wrote:
 On (08:49 14/12/08), George Davidovich m...@optimis.net put forth
 the proposition:
  On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:21:07AM +, Dave Wood wrote:
   Just testing 1.5.18 and noticed that now %s is showing in KBytes
   instead of bytes. Is there a new format for bytes?
  
  You'll get K only if the mailbox is smaller than a megabyte,
  otherwise you'll get M.
  
  I brought up the issue 6 months ago, and the lack of response
  suggests that it's not a widespread problem.
 
 Well it's not a huge problem for me I guess, but it would be nice to
 some extra formatting options like display in bytes or K/M.

Agreed, but the recognition of a problem and a possible fix generally
precede discussions of workarounds and their relative merits, let alone
new feature requests.

Me, I've removed %s from folder_format entirely.  I expect to get bitten
one day, but for day to day maildir browsing (where everything is
0.5K), file size information isn't that important.  Similarly, I've
removed %b from index_format for IMAP browsing, choosing instead to rely
on the clunky but reliably correct information provided by using the
toggle-mailboxes ('y') command.

Not entirely unlike real solutions, but who's counting?

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Mutt 1.5.18 (2008-12-10) and folder_format

[Dave Wood]

Just testing 1.5.18 and noticed that now %s is showing in KBytes instead of
bytes. Is there a new format for bytes?

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Re: folder_format %N not working after upgrade to 1.5.16

[Angel Olivera]

On Fri 06.Jul.07 10:38, Kevin Coyner wrote:

I'm running a Debian unstable system and during a recent upgrade
went from mutt 1.5.15 to 1.5.16.

During this upgrade I lost the %N sequence in the file browser
display. Previously it would show the number of (N)ew messages in
each folder. Now it just shows zeros.


[...]


Any one see this happen before?


Yes, there is at least one bug filed (by myself) about this issue. Let's 
hope Brendan finds the time to sort it out before the 1.6 release.


Cheers.

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folder_format %N not working after upgrade to 1.5.16

[Kevin Coyner]

I'm running a Debian unstable system and during a recent upgrade
went from mutt 1.5.15 to 1.5.16.

During this upgrade I lost the %N sequence in the file browser
display. Previously it would show the number of (N)ew messages in
each folder. Now it just shows zeros. Nothing has changed in my
muttrc file. Here is the line I was using for folder_format:

set folder_format = %t %3C .. %d | %3N | %f 

I'm using imap but there have been no problems with it.

When I go into folders, there definitely are (N)ew messages, so it's
not like they don't exist. But for some reason, they are not showing
up in the file browser display in 1.5.16.

Any one see this happen before?

Thanks
Kevin

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size in kbytes instead of bytes in folder_format ?

[Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino]

Hi mutters, 
do you know if there is a way to show the size of the folders in KB
instead of Bytes (without patching the sources ;) ?
Sometimes it's hard to understand if a mailbox is big 1MB or 10MB.
I suppose I'm not allowed to do arithmetic operations in $folder_format,
Am I?
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Re: size in kbytes instead of bytes in folder_format ?

[Rado S]

=- Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino wrote on Wed 27.Jun'07 at 19:04:13 +0200 -=

 do you know if there is a way to show the size of the folders in KB
 instead of Bytes (without patching the sources ;) ?

Ugrade to 1.5.16

 I suppose I'm not allowed to do arithmetic operations in
 $folder_format, Am I?

No (yet ;).

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Re: read/unread message output in folder_format?

[Glen Barber]

Quoting Ajeet: 

 I misunderstood. You want the number of messages to show up in the folder 
 view? This is not possible I think. 
 
 If you need this, you should see the mutt-sidebar patch. The sidebar displays 
 all the mail boxes with the number of messages in them and the number of new 
 messages in brackets.
 

It's not something I *need*, I just thought it'd be a nice feature to
have and that I was missing something. Thanks for letting me know about
the sidebar patch; maybe I'll check it out anyway.

-- 
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read/unread message output in folder_format?

[Glen Barber]

Hi folks.

I have finally put together a folder (mailbox) setup that I like, however, it 
is missing one feature.  In the main view, I would like to see how many 
messages are read/unread, similar to the %e/%E (for threads) in index_format, 
or even %C (pager_format).  Anyone have any ideas how I can do this?
-- 
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Setting folder_format for attachments only

[Andre Bonhote]

Hi there!

It happens that I have to attach several files to a mail, some of which
have quite long filenames. In order to read the filenames wholly, I
often have to enlarge my Xterm, and this is not what I want.

Now, I'd like to either have the possibility to scroll to the left and
right side in the folder view (would be nice anyway), or to set a
folder_format for directories different to ~/Mail/. I tried this and
several variants of it:

folder-hook !.*Mail.* 'set folder_format=%3C %t %N %8s %f'

It looks like it's matching for ALL folders, including ~/Mail/. Does
anybody know how to handle this?

I am using Mutt 1.3.99i (2002-05-02)

TIA  HAND

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Re: Setting folder_format for attachments only

[Sven Guckes]

* Andre Bonhote [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-05-24 09:14]:
 folder-hook !.*Mail.* 'set folder_format=%3C %t %N %8s %f'
 It looks like it's matching for ALL folders..

please explain the pattern!
i am sure we can find the
problem more easily then...

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flagged messages in folder_format?

[Ryan Singer]

just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't a way to
indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged messages in it while
in the file browser (folder_format has no equivalent to
index_format's %S).

is there a workaround for this? i'd love to be able to flag messages
that i need to deal with later and then see which mailboxes contain
such important messages.

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Re: flagged messages in folder_format? - grep

[Sven Guckes]

* Ryan Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020312 15:45]:
 just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't
 a way to indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged
 messages in it while in the file browser (folder_format
 has no equivalent to index_format's %S).

correct.  mutt won't be able to see them from outside.
so mutt won't know - and therefore cannot indicate them.

 is there a workaround for this?

select a folder - and let mutt look inside!  :-)

 i'd love to be able to flag messages that i
 need to deal with later and then see which
 mailboxes contain such important messages.

  grep -l -s -F 'X-Status: F' ~/Mail/*

just an idea..

Sven

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folder_format

[Michel]

Hello again!

I test the folder_format with the string:
set folder_format= %\%C %N %t %d %\  %s %. %f %\   
I like how it fell, but I'm want to correct some mistakes:

- The %N and %t string don't work... %N puts on screen a mark for boxes with new 
mail, %t puts a mark for boxes with tagged mail... How can I make this functions work?

- I want to put the %s script in KB format, I try this: %s/1024, but not work... 
There are a way to do this?

- I want to align the number of messages on the left... Can I do this?
ex:
 8
 9
10
11

I think it's all...
Thanks for help! (and sorry my poor english :)
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Size on KB on folder_format

[David Collantes]

Hi there!

Does anyone know how to show the mbox/mailboxes size on KB on the 
folder_format?

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Folder_Format Question?

[Gord Mc.Pherson]

Hi Folks,

   I'm new to the world of mutt (and liking it :-) I'm in need of some assistance 
with my .muttrc file. It's my understanding that '%N' should display an 'N when
selecting another folder to read that has new mail in it, but for some reason 
the following:

set folder_format = %2C %N %t %d %25f (%s bytes)

   doesn't seem to be working? I'm using Mutt v1.2.5i. Can anyone shed some light
on what I'm missing to get this feature to work?

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Re: Folder_Format Question?

[Ailbhe Leamy]

On (07/09/01 10:29), Gord Mc.Pherson wrote:

I'm new to the world of mutt (and liking it :-) I'm in need of
 some assistance with my .muttrc file. It's my understanding that '%N'
 should display an 'N when selecting another folder to read that has
 new mail in it, but for some reason the following:

   set folder_format = %2C %N %t %d %25f (%s bytes)

doesn't seem to be working? I'm using Mutt v1.2.5i. Can anyone shed
 some light on what I'm missing to get this feature to work?

mailboxes /var/spool/mail/username =mailbox1
(etc etc)

Ailbhe

$folder_format and IMAP

[Chris Green]

What would other IMAP users feel about moving the "IMAP +" field which
is put in the %F field in $folder_format to somewhere else?

I have two problems with it in the %F field:-

1 - With the default $folder_format it's much to far from the folder
name, e.g. I get:-

-  1 IMAP  ../
2 IMAP  Trash
3 IMAP  bike
4 IMAP +buying.
5 IMAP  family.
6 IMAP +friends.
7 IMAP  internet.
8 IMAP +isbd.
9 IMAP  linux.
   10 IMAP  regs
   11 IMAP +riding.
   12 IMAP  sam
   13 IMAP  selling
   14 IMAP  subdir.
   15 IMAP  test

which makes it quite difficult to spot which folders have the +
against them.


2 - I'd prefer *not* to have the %F field appear at all when I'm
viewing local folders, it doesn't tell me anything I want to know.

I know I could sort this out using folder_hook but the defaults are a
little 'un-ideal' to my mind.

Could we maybe have a special format specifier for the IMAP field?


Oh, and one other little moan looking at the above IMAP folder
directory, those '.' characters indicating a folder with sub-folders,
is there any way to choose a more visible character?

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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Christian Ordig]

On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 06:44:16PM +0300, Mikko Hänninen wrote:
 Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 11 May 2000:
  I mean there's no percent display.  With mbox you see: 
  `Reading foo... 310 (10%)', with Maildir you only see the number of
  messages.  Psychologically this makes the waiting seem longer ;)
 
 Oh right.  It shouldn't be difficult to add a display like that to
 Maildir though?  I mean, you can find out how many files there are in
 advance, and you don't even need to worry about the messages being
 different sizes since only the mail headers get read, anyway.
not even the header needs to be read when just searching for the number of
new / old mail... 
simply count the files in ./new and the files in ./cur ... the sum of them
is the total count of messages and in ./new are the new ones...
I've got some information to my private eMail address about where these
printf like sequences are interpreted. If someone is interested I'll bounce
the mail.
As I am consumed quite much with my scanner driver project I don't think I'll
have enough time to understand/change the mutt sources.
If there should really be noone willing to try it, I'll go and do it... but
don't expect it to be today or tomorrow... 
 
cu.

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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Marius Gedminas]

On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:33:43PM +0300, Mikko Hänninen wrote:
[... Maildir is not for everyone ...]
  less convenient (no progress indication while opening and no line
  counting).
 
 Huh?  I get progress indication when opening a Maildir folder, every 10
 messages, which means the counter is basically just a blur...

I mean there's no percent display.  With mbox you see: 
`Reading foo... 310 (10%)', with Maildir you only see the number of
messages.  Psychologically this makes the waiting seem longer ;)

 No line counting?  That's just a procmail rule away.  Although if you
 don't want to use procmail (or maildrop), I guess it's a problem then.

(Actually, I think all my saved mails have Lines: headers, so it's not
an issue for me).

Maildir sure has many of advantages (like faster saving when you delete
a single message from the beginning of a folder, etc.), but they are not
applicable to my situation.  Mbox seems better for mail archives
(faster, smaller, and they are mostly read-only anyway).

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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Mikko Hänninen]

Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 11 May 2000:
 I mean there's no percent display.  With mbox you see: 
 `Reading foo... 310 (10%)', with Maildir you only see the number of
 messages.  Psychologically this makes the waiting seem longer ;)

Oh right.  It shouldn't be difficult to add a display like that to
Maildir though?  I mean, you can find out how many files there are in
advance, and you don't even need to worry about the messages being
different sizes since only the mail headers get read, anyway.

 Mbox seems better for mail archives
 (faster, smaller, and they are mostly read-only anyway).

Indeed, Maildir is not a mail archive format, it wasn't designed as
such.  Doesn't mean that I can't use it like that, though. :-)


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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Christian Ordig]

On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 05:19:47PM +0200, Wilhelm Wienemann wrote:
 Hello Christian!
 
 On Tue, 09 May 2000, Christian Ordig wrote:
 
  I start mutt by calling "mutt -y" to see which of my folders has new mail.
  The format the folders are displayed isn't really what I want...
  I am not really interested in permissions or owner of the folders,
  but more in how many mails are in the folder and how many of them are
  unread...
 
 Maybe the '[n]frm' tool on your box will do what you want.
 
   nfrm Mail/mutt-user
Well... I'd like to see it in mutt... externaly I could also hack together
a short Perl script, to count the files in ~/Mail/mutt-users/new and
~/Mail/mutt-users/cur add them together and show how many new mails and
how many total mails are in this folder... but the point was, I wanna see
it in the menu (called "browser"?) I get when starting mutt with command line
"mutt -y"

 will show you how many *new* articles are in your mbox
 $HOME/Mail/mutt-user and
well... I don't use any mbox style folders ...
 
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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Christian Ordig]

On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 11:53:05PM +0200, Gero Treuner wrote:
 Hi!
 
  I know this would user quite a lot of time parsing the folders, but since
  I am using Maildir style eMail folders this would be speeded up quite much.
  Is there any way to achieve this? The docs only tell me about the folder-
  permission and owner stuff for the folder_format setting.
 
 You have a point here, and that could be a killer feature for mbox
 format ;-)
right... but who really uses mbox when it comes to have more than
1000 or 2000 messages in a folder? On the other hand nobody would be forced
switching it on... ;_)

 Unfortunately it is still waiting to be implemented. Write me if you
 need pointers where to start in the mutt sources.
Maybe this is the wrong mailing list for discussing this... I think the
mutt-devel list would fit better... How about the traffic on this list?
(I only have a MODEM ;-) 
I'd be glad about any hint... 

Thanks

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Re: printf like sequences for folder_format

[Marius Gedminas]

On Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:50:56PM +0200, Christian Ordig wrote:
  You have a point here, and that could be a killer feature for mbox
  format ;-)
 right... but who really uses mbox when it comes to have more than
 1000 or 2000 messages in a folder?

I do.  I've tried Maildirs and found them to be slower to open (about
twice for the first time and only very slightly slower when everything
is in the cache), bigger (a single folder with 3100 messages took 13 Mb
in mbox, and 21 Mb in Maildir format -- on ext2 fs with 4K blocks), and
less convenient (no progress indication while opening and no line
counting).

Perhaps I'll switch to Maildir when I'll start using Reiserfs (or NFS).

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Mikko Hänninen]

David DeSimone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2000:
 Can anyone come up with an explanation for this?  I can't.

Me either.  Sounds like it was time for some debugging...
Well, I suppose, I should first see if I can reproduce the problem on
my system.  If I have free time later today I might give it a go.

This folder was mbox format, not over NFS... do I remember right?
Which OS and filesystem type?  Even if that really shouldn't matter.


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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 08:11:16PM +0200, Mikko H?nninen wrote:
 David DeSimone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 13 Mar 2000:
  Can anyone come up with an explanation for this?  I can't.
 
 Me either.  Sounds like it was time for some debugging...
 Well, I suppose, I should first see if I can reproduce the problem on
 my system.  If I have free time later today I might give it a go.
 
 This folder was mbox format, not over NFS... do I remember right?
 Which OS and filesystem type?  Even if that really shouldn't matter.

OS: Debian woody (Linux 2.2.13, i386)
mutt 1.1.5
MTA is Postfix 19991231.  
Delivering to mailboxes with Procmail using locking rules.  
FS is ext2.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 10:26:09AM -0800, Drew Bloechl wrote:
 OS: Debian woody (Linux 2.2.13, i386)
 mutt 1.1.5
 MTA is Postfix 19991231.  
 Delivering to mailboxes with Procmail using locking rules.  
 FS is ext2.  

Duh.  I didn't know I had to specify them with "mailboxes".  I feel 
stupid now.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 11:26:49PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
 Is your shell, perhaps, checking for new mail as well?  Anything
 that accesses the folder, as I recall, will reset the new function.
 Thus, --enable-buffy-size might just be the ticket after all.

I have a few things checking for mail.  I did recompile with 
--enable-buffy-size and verified that it was in there with mutt -v, 
but that %N is still blank.  Is there something else I have to do to 
get it to work?  I assume the check is automatic on entering "browser" 
mode.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Mikko Hänninen]

Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000:
 I have a few things checking for mail.  I did recompile with 
 --enable-buffy-size and verified that it was in there with mutt -v, 
 but that %N is still blank. 

A couple of other things to check that I can think of:

1) When you enter these folders which are supposed to have new mail,
does Mutt actually show any messages as new?  Is it just the file
browser or also the folder index too?

2) Are you actually using the right $folder_format setting?  Use

  :set ?folder_format

... to display the current value, when in Mutt.

3) You could try to use a different folder format for testing, eg.
Maildir.  Maildirs aren't as sensitive as mbox folders and it's easy
to also manipulate them from the shell to have a desired "new-ness
state" (ie. by moving a message file under the "new" subdir).


 Is there something else I have to do to 
 get it to work?  I assume the check is automatic on entering "browser" 
 mode.  

It should be automatic, yes, and not require any special actions.


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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 07:53:48PM +0200, Mikko H?nninen wrote:
 A couple of other things to check that I can think of:
 
 1) When you enter these folders which are supposed to have new mail,
 does Mutt actually show any messages as new?  Is it just the file
 browser or also the folder index too?

Yes, in the index there are messages marked as new.  That part of it 
has always worked.  

 2) Are you actually using the right $folder_format setting?  Use

folder_format="%3C %N %-32.32f %-16.16d %s"

 3) You could try to use a different folder format for testing, eg.
 Maildir.  Maildirs aren't as sensitive as mbox folders and it's easy
 to also manipulate them from the shell to have a desired "new-ness
 state" (ie. by moving a message file under the "new" subdir).

Well, I'd prefer not to.  I'd rather keep mbox format with no "N" in 
the browser than have to switch over to Maildir.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Mikko Hänninen]

Mikko Hänninen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000:
 that that new mail recognition didn't work unless I set $keep_empty,

... that should, of course, be $save_empty, not $keep_empty.


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Re: %N in $folder_format

[David DeSimone]

Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, in the index there are messages marked as new.  That part of it
 has always worked. 

When reading the folder, Mutt can tell which messages are new, by
reading the Status: headers.  However, that's only done when opening a
folder; when you just want to know if a folder has new mail in it, it's
much faster to simply check the time-stamp on the file, for mbox
folders.

So, Mutt checks the time to determine if it should put an 'N' for that
folder.  You can check this yourself to see what the system has stored
as a time-stamp on the file:

ls -l /path/to/folder   == This gives you the "modified" time.
ls -lu /path/to/folder  == This gives you the "accessed" time.

If the folder was modified at a later time than it was accessed, the
folder is assumed to have new mail in it.  Try this yourself on some
folders that have had new mail delivered to them, and see if you can
figure out why they aren't being set the way Mutt thinks they should be.

If the times are showing up as equal, you can use a script like this to
print out the exact times:

perl -e '@stat = stat("/path/to/mfolder"); print "Mod = $stat[9], Acc = 
$stat[8]\n";'

This prints the exact times, to the second, which you can compare.  This
is what Mutt actually does.

Using this technique, perhaps you can determine what the problem is.

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 01:17:12PM -0600, David DeSimone wrote:
 If the folder was modified at a later time than it was accessed, the
 folder is assumed to have new mail in it.  Try this yourself on some
 folders that have had new mail delivered to them, and see if you can
 figure out why they aren't being set the way Mutt thinks they should be.

$ ls -l Mail/livid-dev ; ls -lu Mail/livid-dev 
-rw---1 drew drew  3219213 Mar 10 02:23 Mail/livid-dev
-rw---1 drew drew  3219213 Mar  8 12:05 Mail/livid-dev

This particular folder has an mtime greater than its atime, but mutt 
doesn't seem to realize that with or without BUFFY_SIZE.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Mikko Hänninen]

Drew Bloechl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Fri, 10 Mar 2000:
 This particular folder has an mtime greater than its atime, but mutt 

... I'm at a loss to explain that, but...

 doesn't seem to realize that with or without BUFFY_SIZE.

If you use BUFFY_SIZE, it makes Mutt ignore the access/modification
times and only compares folder sizes to detect new mail.  (IIRC)


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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 09:10:46PM +0200, Mikko H?nninen wrote:
 Are these folders where there is new mail but which aren't shown with
 newly created with new mail, ie. they didn't exist before new mail was
 added to them by whatever delivery program?  I remember once finding
 that that new mail recognition didn't work unless I set $keep_empty,
 especially with the --enable-buffy-size option.

No, these are fairly old (and large) folders.  

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%N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

In my .muttrc I have:

set folder_format="%3C %N %-32.32f %-16.16d %s"

However, the space with the %N is always blank when I do 'c' and '?' 
to browse mailboxes.  Is there something special I have to do to get 
this to work?  FWIW I'm delivering mail into these folders with 
procmail.  

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Andrew W. Nosenko]

Drew Bloechl wrote:
: In my .muttrc I have:
: 
: set folder_format="%3C %N %-32.32f %-16.16d %s"
: 
: However, the space with the %N is always blank when I do 'c' and '?' 
: to browse mailboxes.  Is there something special I have to do to get 
: this to work?  FWIW I'm delivering mail into these folders with 
: procmail.  
Your incomming mailbox (mailboxes) is placed on NFS-mounted file system?
Try --enable-buffy-size in configure-time.

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Re: %N in $folder_format

[Drew Bloechl]

On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:08:42AM +0200, Andrew W. Nosenko wrote:
 Drew Bloechl wrote:
 : In my .muttrc I have:
 : 
 : set folder_format="%3C %N %-32.32f %-16.16d %s"
 : 
 : However, the space with the %N is always blank when I do 'c' and '?' 
 : to browse mailboxes.  Is there something special I have to do to get 
 : this to work?  FWIW I'm delivering mail into these folders with 
 : procmail.  
 Your incomming mailbox (mailboxes) is placed on NFS-mounted file system?
 Try --enable-buffy-size in configure-time.

Nope.  Local disk.  ~/Mail.

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