Re: [MLO] Re: Why is MLO Cloud Sync paid?

[MG]

Hi Dwight, 

Perfect!

Thank you.


Mário

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Re: [MLO] Re: More Info About Goals

[Dwight]

1. I have a special view called "daily to-do list" which includes all 
active tasks that are starred, active tasks with a completion goal whose 
time since last modification exceeds the goal, active tasks with 
importance=200, calls with importance over 100 but only during the hours 
when the calls context is open, tasks with a "waiting" context whose 
start date, if any, has arrived or passed, and lots of other 
dwight-specific conditions. It's kind on an active actions list with 
everything that I can predict I won't want to do today removed. It's 
rare that a month passes without one or two tweaks to the daily to-do 
list filter.


2. The way that I am using goals it would have very limited use for a 
project. Completion Goals are only functional for a task that is active. 
The project parent for an active project is almost always not considered 
an active task because it has uncompleted children. At most, if some 
project has a next action that has made it to my daily to-do list that I 
do not want to allocate time to right now, I might give it a weekly 
completion goal and remove whatever's pushing it into the Daily list. 
Somehow I doubt that this has anything to do with your question. I 
suspect that you are asking how I would assign a project like "Learn to 
speak Twi" to a goal like "Stay well-read and knowledgable". The short 
answer is that for me, tracking stuff like "Stay well read" costs more 
time than it saves so I don't do it. It's good to have goals like that, 
just not a good use of time to track them.


3. I'm not sure what an "actual context" is. To me, all of my contexts 
are actual, whether they represent a time, a place, a person, a needed 
tool, actionability or a mood. Most of my Someday tasks are in a hidden 
Someday folder that's flagged for quarterly review. Sometimes if I don't 
have time to move a task right now I will leave it in place and assign a 
Someday context to keep it off the to-do list until I get around to 
moving it. Some someday tasks cannot be moved because they are in a 
project, perhaps with other tasks dependent on them. These retain the 
someday context. (The Build a Shed project has a Someday task to go file 
for a certificate of occupancy. The project's not really done till I 
take care of it, but I am not in any rush and if I never get to it then 
when my heirs sell my house their real estate agent will take care of 
it.) Waiting is a context, most often used if I have something that 
cannot be done until a future date but then should be done as soon as 
possible, like checking if a package I sent was delivered.Tasks like 
this generally do not have any other "actual" context. If some larger or 
more complex undertaking includes a waiting component it will often have 
a task for the waiting and other tasks with other contexts for what's to 
happen when the waiting's over. A quick way to set that up is to create 
a subtask for the wait. Suppose that I have a task with Yardwork context 
(Yardwork has open and close times set to approx current sunrise and 
sunset) to trim a bush and it is hanging around on my to-do list but I 
can't trim it because it's still blooming. So I would have a task to 
trim the bush with Yardwork context, and a subtask, check if the bush is 
done blooming with Waiting context repeating every week on Sundays and 
Tuesdays. When I see the "bush done" task on my list and its still 
blooming, check complete (i.e. yes, I checked). If the bush id finished 
blooming, delete the task (ie, don't need to check that any more) and 
the "trim bush" task immediately pops onto the to-do list.


-Dwight

On 12/2/2016 8:36 AM, John . Smith wrote:

Dwight

Interesting...

1.

My daily to-do list includes any active task with a star,
any task with a weekly goal whose date of last
modification is more than 7 days old...

So do you have a special view set up to just show stars and weekly goes
less than 7 days old etc?

2. Also how do you allocate Projects to Goals?


3.

Tasks can only stay uncategorized for at most two or
three days, so it will get a context, probably Someday.

Are you using context tags to control both actual context and actionable
status (Someday, Waiting, etc)

Cheers

J



On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:44:46 AM UTC, Dwight wrote:

I I use MLO's Goals field in a different way because I find it
helpful - I'll share it in case it helps you find a new perspective
but I am not necessarily suggesting that this approach is better
than any other or that it will work for anyone besides me.

One of my highest objectives in task management is to spend less
time doing it (and more time on task execution). One of the most
effective steps in achieving this objective is to avoid scheduling
tasks that don't need to be scheduled, thereby taking back all of
the time that I used to spend on rescheduling tasks that remained
open after they were scheduled to be completed. But task management
often 

Re: [MLO] Re: getting tasks to add TODAY as due date when in a filter mode

[Dwight]

Hi, David. I agree with Stéph that user selected behaviours in date 
fields would be useful, and that they are not supported in MLO. But I 
might be able to help with your underlying issue of new tasks vanish 
while you are creating them.


This is not my original idea, I learned it from someone else on this 
forum. I would look up the original author in order to give credit but I 
don't have the time right now.


In your advanced filter specification ass something along the lines of 
"OR CreatedDateTime OnOrAfter Now-0.0007"


Note that 0.0007 of a day is about one minute. Feel free to substitute 
other values like 0.014 for 20 minutes and so on. What this says is that 
your view should include all the tasks that you are currently seeing 
plus any task created in the last one minute. That gives you a minute to 
finish editing before the task drops off of the view.


-Dwight

On 12/1/2016 6:22 PM, Stéph wrote:

Unfortunately not. This is something I've posted as a request before -
I'd like to be able to specify start dates to be the date I created the
new item, due date to inherit from the parent and context to be blank.
User selected behaviours for these fields (in the same way that Bonsai
used to do) would be very useful. Perhaps this is being considered for a
future release.

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:07:28 UTC, david.r@delphi.com wrote:

I use many filters..most involve the advanced filter using
selectable dates; I like to edit and add when in filtered mode so
that my list is not huge and I want to add a task while in this
filtered mode but before Im done the filter has hidden it; I then
have to either remove filter, find the task as assign an appropriate
date OR find it in "recently modified"; Is there some way to have
new task receive a default date (w/out having it inherit the parent date

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Re: [MLO] Re: Why is MLO Cloud Sync paid?

[Dwight]

I want MLO to be very successful and continue to roll out the new 
features that I want, so I am willing to pay any reasonable amount. The 
question of where in their landscape they build the tollbooth does not 
matter much to me, the only issue is that it should be wherever 
generates more revenue, bearing in mind that a dollar a year from six 
million customers is better that two million a year from two customers.


It also helps if the fee structure is simple and easy to understand, and 
does not create disincentives for using the product fully and well.


My favorite approach is a three-level fee structure, a stripped down 
version available on all platforms but with no synch, for free. Second, 
he current Pro version across all platforms (including a browser 
interface) with synch for a license fee, like $0.20 per day of $5/month 
or $25/year. Third, a group license for a family or small workgroup with 
added group-friendly tools that don't exist yet.


-Dwight

On 11/30/2016 2:24 PM, birdv...@gmail.com wrote:

I have a iPhone 6s Plus, iPad Air, and Asus Android Tablet. There is
absolutely no decent task/project app I've seen that syncs across these
platformsnow made even better with push sync.

I think it is well worth it to pay for cloud service so that they can
continue to maintain it and continue to come up with future enhancements.



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On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Mario Gourgel
> wrote:

I agree with you James,

Everyone must choose the desired and sustainable business model that
suites their own business.

It was a suggestion, a desire, call it whatever you want.

But we can charge in different ways so that appealing more
customers/users.

I think the review is a good way...not the unique, but the one I
appreciate.

There are, for sure, others.

For example, prices according to packages : business package, small
groups package (2 users, 3 users, others); still be payied but with
different prices...I don't know.

It depends on MLO business purposes.

Regarding Zainan, can you please tell which feature would you like
to pay to vote for upcoming features?

I would say that I appreciate MLO app, and I expect it to be
enhanced more and more...

I am waiting for the task custom properties and calculated fields.


A Qua, 30/11/2016, 13:56, Zainan Victor Zhou > escreveu:

+1 on charging for Cloud Service. I am also wishing to be able
to pay to vote for upcoming features


Zainan Victor Zhou, 周载南
650-336-5691 

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, James D > wrote:

From the perspective of an enthusiastic user of other "dead"
PIM programs of the past, most notably Ecco Pro, a great
outliner-based PIM program...
When I put my life and information and plans and schemes and
goals into a program like MLO, the last thing I want is for
the company producing that software to go belly-up.
MLO cloud fees are a small price to pay for being able to
count on having the features of this awesome program
available year after year.

For example, Google sells advertising.  That's their
business model.  They can afford to "give away" things that
help their business model, or give them a competitive
advantage that leads people to the part of the business
where they make money. At last check MLO was not in the
business of selling ads, just the business of providing
great personal productivity software on PC, Mac, and mobile
platforms.  How else can MLO stay in business and pay their
developers if they can't make money somewhere?  I guarantee
you don't want to be a loyal user of a dead program from a
company that no longer exists.  MLO's cloud fees are
reasonable enough.  Servers and bandwidth and people and
systems to monitor them and keep them up aren't free, so MLO
has an expense to cover in providing the service.  MLO even
provides us a way to sync over WiFi and other options so we
are not "forced" to use the cloud service.  However, being
able to use cloud sync is such a big productivity booster,
to me it's worth paying a few bucks every year or two.

It's a small price to pay to ensure the ongoing viabiity of
a program whose primary agenda is to help US be more
productive, without us being funneled and forced into other
agendas like happens with Google, Microsoft, Apple, 

[MLO] Re: More Info About Goals

[John . Smith]

Dwight 

Interesting...

1. 
> My daily to-do list includes any active task with a star, 
> any task with a weekly goal whose date of last 
> modification is more than 7 days old...
So do you have a special view set up to just show stars and weekly goes 
less than 7 days old etc?

2. Also how do you allocate Projects to Goals?


3. 
> Tasks can only stay uncategorized for at most two or 
> three days, so it will get a context, probably Someday.
Are you using context tags to control both actual context and actionable 
status (Someday, Waiting, etc)

Cheers

J



On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:44:46 AM UTC, Dwight wrote:
>
> I I use MLO's Goals field in a different way because I find it helpful - 
> I'll share it in case it helps you find a new perspective but I am not 
> necessarily suggesting that this approach is better than any other or that 
> it will work for anyone besides me.
>
> One of my highest objectives in task management is to spend less time 
> doing it (and more time on task execution). One of the most effective steps 
> in achieving this objective is to avoid scheduling tasks that don't need to 
> be scheduled, thereby taking back all of the time that I used to spend on 
> rescheduling tasks that remained open after they were scheduled to be 
> completed. But task management often involves taling an open task and 
> saying "not now, come back later" to it. The challenge is to do so without 
> ending up inadvertently scheduling the task. I use the "Goals" field to 
> make this happen.
>
> My purpose in using goals is to control when and whether a task shows up 
> on my daily to-do list. If something is a weekly goal, that means that I 
> have a goal to get this thing done in no more that approximately a week. If 
> something is a monthly goal, that means that I have a goal to get this 
> thing done in no more that approximately a month. I use the star to mean 
> "daily goal". And I don't have any yearly goals, so I use the Yearly Goal 
> value to actually mean Quarterly. 
>
> My daily to-do list includes any active task with a star, any task with a 
> weekly goal whose date of last modification is more than 7 days old, any 
> task with a monthly goal whose date of last modification is more than  30 
> days old, or any task with a yearly (i.e. quarterly) goal whose date of 
> last modification is more than 90 days old. If a goal task pops up in my 
> daily to-do list it means that this task is not getting done in the time I 
> set for it. Ideally, I will get the task done when it shows up. If I cannot 
> allocate the time to get it dome then I must have been mistaken in thinking 
> that it needed to be finished in a day/week/month/quarter. In that case I 
> should lower the goal, for example by changing a starred task to one that 
> has a weekly goal. If something has a quarterly goal and has to be lowered 
> it goes to "someday" with an annual review. Once in a while I am not ready 
> to postpone a task so seriously but I also cannot get to it today. In this 
> case I make some tiny edit to the task, usually adding or deleting a space 
> from the caption or note, which resets the modification date and gives me 
> another week/month/quarter. If I find myself doing this a second time to a 
> task I try to have the discipline to drop the goal level at that time.
>
> So, what do I do about visions, principles, objectives and all of that? 
> The first thing, in line with the need to spend less time managing tasks, 
> is that if I find myself spending actual time debating with myself as to 
> how to categorize something I will try to change my process to make the 
> question moot. So I reject any process that calls for me to treat an 
> objective differently from a goal or a vision. I don't track stuff like "be 
> a good father" or "save for retirement" because they are not actionable and 
> there is no danger that I will forget to do them. If a thought crosses my 
> mind like "hey, it would be cool if I could speak the Twi language" I will 
> create an uncategorized task called "learn Twi". Tasks can only stay 
> uncategorized for at most two or three days, so it will get a context, 
> probably Someday. In my next quarterly review I will see whether I can 
> identify a next step, like chose classroom versus online training, which 
> will probably get defined as a project with no subtasks, or maybe there 
> will be a few subtasks for getting started like a task with >Online context 
> to find and evaluate Twi classes. There may be sub projects within this 
> project. If I find myself taking Twi classes and having Twi-speaking 
> friends over for dinner and conversation I will probably check the parent 
> "learn Twi" task as completed, which does *not* mean that I speak the 
> language perfectly but does mean that it's not something I need to track 
> any more.
>
>

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