[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[John . Smith]

This may/may not help, but what I have done is put everything (i.e. all my 
folders) into to my  folder.

I then hit give the  folder focus and hit Shift+Alt+1 
That creates a screenful showing each of my (what were) root directory 
folders for each of my Areas of Life - of which I have about 7.
And below those folders are all the tasks that I have added using Rapid 
Task Entry (Control+Shift+M). 

I can then drag and drop them using the mouse into the correct Area of Life 
folder.

If you do it fast enough the folders don't open further. 
If you want to put it into a sub-folder then just hover for a second or 2 
over a folder and it will open.
If you cut and paste then the folder you have pasted into will open up to 
reveal where the task has moved to. 
 
J


On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 9:59:46 PM UTC, TMZ wrote:
>
> Follow-up question:
> Is there a way/a view in which I can see a folder, but never see the tasks 
> in that folder?
>
> (I wanna build an inbox-view with the content of my inbox folder and one 
> other folder. I need that folder just to move tasks into, but every time I 
> open that view at the beginning of the day, the not-inbox-folder is 
> expanded and I see all the tasks in it, so I have to collapse it.
> I tried things like "is folder is false", didn't work
>

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[TMZ]

Follow-up question:
Is there a way/a view in which I can see a folder, but never see the tasks 
in that folder?

(I wanna build an inbox-view with the content of my inbox folder and one 
other folder. I need that folder just to move tasks into, but every time I 
open that view at the beginning of the day, the not-inbox-folder is 
expanded and I see all the tasks in it, so I have to collapse it.
I tried things like "is folder is false", didn't work

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[John . Smith]

Yes, good call. And following my experiences above, I now broadly do the 
same!
The exception is that I am marking my (GTD) SomedayMaybe stuff with a 
Context Tag, and I *HATE* seeing all that stuff except when I am doing a 
weekly review.

J

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 9:52:31 AM UTC, Nick Clark wrote:
>
> I’d always recommend that the leftmost tab is the Outline view. That way 
> you can always see the whole hierarchy, and this would solve your folder 
> focus problem.

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[Nick Clark]

I’d always recommend that the leftmost tab is the Outline view. That way you 
can always see the whole hierarchy, and this would solve your folder focus 
problem.

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[John . Smith]

PS I would particularly like to have a folders-only view possible when you 
hit F3 as this would help cut and past tasks out of the inbox into the 
correct Folder.


On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 12:43:09 PM UTC, John . Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks, Olivier
>
> Well, initially I thought this was brilliant.
> On the up-side it shows your folder hierarchy very cleanly and it works 
> well when used with F7 to open all the folders as far as possible.
>
> Furthermore, if you then save that View and give it a hotkey (e.g. 
> control/shift/alt/F) I can even apply that filter to the current view using 
> a hotkey.   :)
>
> However, there are problems: 
>
> 1. If the current Tab is locked it won't work without creating another tab 
> every time you use it (which causes confusion and clutter).
>
> 2. Also you can of course no longer open up any given folder to see what's 
> actually in it. (This is due to the View's filtering that will now be in 
> place!) 
>
> 3. In order to see what's in each Folder, all you can do is - IF and only 
> if the folder has no child-folders -  is double-click on that folder  and 
> be taken to your first Tab on the left.  
>
> BUT once you get there : 
>
> a) If your Tab has filtering that stops that folder from being viewed 
> (e.g. it is using Active tasks view), then no row will have focus (which 
> feels confusing) [so this forces you to have an ALL tasks view...]
>
> b) If you get to the LH tab without losing focus, you now have a problem 
> of how to get *back *to that Folders- Only tab. If you click the folder 
> name again and it does have child tasks, then it will simply open up any 
> child tasks. And if you double-click on one of the child tasks, although it 
> will take you back to the Folders-only view, it will now lose focus because 
> task are not visible on that view! 
>
> ==> Aaarrgh!  Not quite so useful after all. 
>
> If going this route, we are thrown into using one tab for multiple MLO 
> Views. 
> But even then there is no way to toggle this view on and off using your 
> hotkey, which would have been nice.
>
>
> Conclusion
> I would still prefer some inbuilt function that would expanding everything 
> just far enough to show all the Folders, so that this could be achieved 
> with no fuss on Locked tabs, without the need to change either Tab nor View 
> and ideally it should be a function that toggles.
>
> - Would anyone else vote for this feature?
>
> J
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:03:40 AM UTC, robisme (Olivier R) 
> wrote:
>>
>> Then I suggest you build a specific  view with a filter "is folder = 
>> true".
>> Olivier 
>
>

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[John . Smith]

Thanks, Olivier

Well, initially I thought this was brilliant.
On the up-side it shows your folder hierarchy very cleanly and it works 
well when used with F7 to open all the folders as far as possible.

Furthermore, if you then save that View and give it a hotkey (e.g. 
control/shift/alt/F) I can even apply that filter to the current view using 
a hotkey.   :)

However, there are problems: 

1. If the current Tab is locked it won't work without creating another tab 
every time you use it (which causes confusion and clutter).

2. Also you can of course no longer open up any given folder to see what's 
actually in it. (This is due to the View's filtering that will now be in 
place!) 

3. In order to see what's in each Folder, all you can do is - IF and only 
if the folder has no child-folders -  is double-click on that folder  and 
be taken to your first Tab on the left.  

BUT once you get there : 

a) If your Tab has filtering that stops that folder from being viewed (e.g. 
it is using Active tasks view), then no row will have focus (which feels 
confusing) [so this forces you to have an ALL tasks view...]

b) If you get to the LH tab without losing focus, you now have a problem of 
how to get *back *to that Folders- Only tab. If you click the folder name 
again and it does have child tasks, then it will simply open up any child 
tasks. And if you double-click on one of the child tasks, although it will 
take you back to the Folders-only view, it will now lose focus because task 
are not visible on that view! 

==> Aaarrgh!  Not quite so useful after all. 

If going this route, we are thrown into using one tab for multiple MLO 
Views. 
But even then there is no way to toggle this view on and off using your 
hotkey, which would have been nice.


Conclusion
I would still prefer some inbuilt function that would expanding everything 
just far enough to show all the Folders, so that this could be achieved 
with no fuss on Locked tabs, without the need to change either Tab nor View 
and ideally it should be a function that toggles.

- Would anyone else vote for this feature?

J


On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:03:40 AM UTC, robisme (Olivier R) 
wrote:
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> Then I suggest you build a specific  view with a filter "is folder = true".
> Olivier 

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[robisme (Olivier R)]

Then I suggest you build a specific  view with a filter "is folder = true".
Olivier 

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[MLO] Re: How can I quickly collapse everything that isn't a folder?

[John . Smith]

I agree that's a first step, but it's not what I'm looking for.

I have tried putting everything into a single folder and then giving it 
focus and then using "Show level 1" or "Show Level 2" or "Show Level 3" 
etc. using hotkeys.
My problem is that it's showing EVERYTHING at those levels, including all 
the tasks that it doesn't need to show - and this is cluttering up the 
screen.




i.e. In my example in order to show Folder 1.2.1, it is also showing tasks 
like "This is task A" and it's siblings.

J






On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 9:44:04 PM UTC, robisme (Olivier R) wrote:
>
> You can set hotkeys to expand x sublevels, maybe it's a first step toward 
> your need ?
> Olivier 

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