Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[Jeff Smith]

Yes it's amazed me how useful v2 has still been. I'm running mostly on
Windows 7.

I admit there has been some important features though since then but more
that I've always needed that still is waiting.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018, 00:11 Joel  wrote:

> imajeff, are you still using version 2? Just curious.
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 6:43:57 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>>
>> Sir you said "advantages over forums", then you listed only things that
>> are also true about modern forums.
>>
>> Now you say it would split us to make the forum. How many active users do
>> you think there are here? If we got half, say 3 users moving to the forum,
>> that would be insignificant compared to the 100s that are only not here
>> because you are limited to a mailing list. Well they might be not buying
>> new MLO for the same reason as me, it's just not updating enough to the
>> current way we use Internet. Need to change so we can use it again! Well my
>> MLO 2.0.0 still works fine. I was here back when Windows PDA were all the
>> buzz, and they had not released 2.0.0 yet so it's not like I don't know
>> what I'm talking about here.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:51:54 AM UTC-6, Christoph wrote:
>>>
>>> First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really
>>> worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have
>>> many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable,
>>> well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing
>>> list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or
>>> RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the
>>> community would be split which is also not so helpful.
>>>
>>> -- Christoph
>>>
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Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[Joel]

imajeff, are you still using version 2? Just curious.

Joel



On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 6:43:57 PM UTC-4, imajeff wrote:
>
> Sir you said "advantages over forums", then you listed only things that 
> are also true about modern forums.
>
> Now you say it would split us to make the forum. How many active users do 
> you think there are here? If we got half, say 3 users moving to the forum, 
> that would be insignificant compared to the 100s that are only not here 
> because you are limited to a mailing list. Well they might be not buying 
> new MLO for the same reason as me, it's just not updating enough to the 
> current way we use Internet. Need to change so we can use it again! Well my 
> MLO 2.0.0 still works fine. I was here back when Windows PDA were all the 
> buzz, and they had not released 2.0.0 yet so it's not like I don't know 
> what I'm talking about here.
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:51:54 AM UTC-6, Christoph wrote:
>>
>> First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really 
>> worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have 
>> many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable, 
>> well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing 
>> list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or 
>> RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the 
>> community would be split which is also not so helpful. 
>>
>> -- Christoph 
>>
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[imajeff]

Sir you said "advantages over forums", then you listed only things that are 
also true about modern forums.

Now you say it would split us to make the forum. How many active users do 
you think there are here? If we got half, say 3 users moving to the forum, 
that would be insignificant compared to the 100s that are only not here 
because you are limited to a mailing list. Well they might be not buying 
new MLO for the same reason as me, it's just not updating enough to the 
current way we use Internet. Need to change so we can use it again! Well my 
MLO 2.0.0 still works fine. I was here back when Windows PDA were all the 
buzz, and they had not released 2.0.0 yet so it's not like I don't know 
what I'm talking about here.

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:51:54 AM UTC-6, Christoph wrote:
>
> First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really 
> worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have 
> many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable, 
> well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing 
> list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or 
> RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the 
> community would be split which is also not so helpful. 
>
> -- Christoph 
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[Christoph Zwerschke]

Am 13.06.2018 um 15:03 schrieb imajeff:
> Ok I think the first step would be you create the group (I like
> Discourse), as an unofficial thing. Then if it gets organized and
> looks good it will be easier to convince the official MLO people to
> start using it.

First you need to convince the users of this forum that it's really 
worthwhile to switch. Not everybody likes forums. Google groups have 
many advantages over forums, e.g. they are free, reliable, 
well-archived, you can subscribe via mail, using them like a mailing 
list. Personally I only use forums that I can subscribe to via mail or 
RSS feed. Of course you can create an additional forum, but then the 
community would be split which is also not so helpful.


-- Christoph

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[MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[imajeff]

Ok I think the first step would be you create the group (I like Discourse), 
as an unofficial thing. Then if it gets organized and looks good it will be 
easier to convince the official MLO people to start using it.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 7:55:02 AM UTC-6, Klaus wrote:
>
> I read this topic 
>  
> and have one question.
>
> Why the MLO team do not create the English-language MLO forum instead of 
> this obsolete Google Group? I dont' think that this is a difficult task. I 
> am currently using Russian-language MLO forum 
>  and can say that it is much 
> more comfortable than this Google Group and never has any delays with 
> posts. The other huge disadvantage of this Google Group is that there is no 
> subsections for Windows MLO, Android MLO and iOS MLO, MLO cloud, developer 
> updates, etc. Here all the messages are in one section and it's really 
> ugly.
>
> I know that there was discussion about that 
>  
> 8 years ago but I think the things has changed since that time (because 
> there was no Android and iOS versions, MLO cloud and other things that 
> require separate section). On the modern forums you can subscribe to any 
> section if you wish (directly using forum features or using RSS) and make 
> many other nice things (member groups, reputation, likes, etc.).  
>
> So what do you think about it? Maybe we should make some sort of poll 
> about that? 
>

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[MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[gnopps]

Great idea! I would love a Discourse -forum!

On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:55:02 UTC+3, Klaus wrote:
>
> I read this topic 
>  
> and have one question.
>
> Why the MLO team do not create the English-language MLO forum instead of 
> this obsolete Google Group? I dont' think that this is a difficult task. I 
> am currently using Russian-language MLO forum 
>  and can say that it is much 
> more comfortable than this Google Group and never has any delays with 
> posts. The other huge disadvantage of this Google Group is that there is no 
> subsections for Windows MLO, Android MLO and iOS MLO, MLO cloud, developer 
> updates, etc. Here all the messages are in one section and it's really 
> ugly.
>
> I know that there was discussion about that 
>  
> 8 years ago but I think the things has changed since that time (because 
> there was no Android and iOS versions, MLO cloud and other things that 
> require separate section). On the modern forums you can subscribe to any 
> section if you wish (directly using forum features or using RSS) and make 
> many other nice things (member groups, reputation, likes, etc.).  
>
> So what do you think about it? Maybe we should make some sort of poll 
> about that? 
>

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[MLO] Re: Make forum instead of Google Group

[Darryl Brooks]

 I appreciate the support to my thread, and I agree with all you wrote, but 
with the limited staff, I would prefer they keep working on the product 
first, documentation second, and forum support third. 

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 9:55:02 AM UTC-4, Klaus wrote:
>
> I read this topic 
>  
> and have one question.
>
> Why the MLO team do not create the English-language MLO forum instead of 
> this obsolete Google Group? I dont' think that this is a difficult task. I 
> am currently using Russian-language MLO forum 
>  and can say that it is much 
> more comfortable than this Google Group and never has any delays with 
> posts. The other huge disadvantage of this Google Group is that there is no 
> subsections for Windows MLO, Android MLO and iOS MLO, MLO cloud, developer 
> updates, etc. Here all the messages are in one section and it's really 
> ugly.
>
> I know that there was discussion about that 
>  
> 8 years ago but I think the things has changed since that time (because 
> there was no Android and iOS versions, MLO cloud and other things that 
> require separate section). On the modern forums you can subscribe to any 
> section if you wish (directly using forum features or using RSS) and make 
> many other nice things (member groups, reputation, likes, etc.).  
>
> So what do you think about it? Maybe we should make some sort of poll 
> about that? 
>

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