Re: Netskrt - ISP-colo CDN

[Tim Burke]

I get that. We were in the same boat here in Houston up until getting space at 
Databank HOU2. Since all of the big content networks have presence there, only 
made sense. We were looking at all of the caching options available prior to 
doing that, however… and we’ll likely have to keep our Google stuff until 
either we go to D-FW, or Google comes to Houston.

On Apr 7, 2024, at 13:10, Aaron1  wrote:

 Yeah, to date I haven’t been in a place where peering is a reality, yet.  CDN 
providers sending servers to us has been our best option.

Aaron

On Apr 7, 2024, at 12:30 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


I suppose that depends on the size (bits and miles) of the network and the cost 
of transport within it. In many areas, space + power + port is cheaper than 
transport.



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From: "Tim Burke" 
To: "Aaron Gould" 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2024 10:00:05 PM
Subject: Re: Netskrt - ISP-colo CDN

I have been trying to get _away_ from caching appliances on our network — other 
than Google, we are able to pick up most of the stuff that otherwise would be 
cacheable via private peering; so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for us 
to have appliances in the datacenter taking up space, power, and 100G ports, 
and increasing potential attack surface by having devices that we cannot 
control directly connected to edge routers.

> On Apr 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Aaron Gould  wrote:
>
> Anyone out there using Netskrt CDN?  I mean, installed in your network for 
> content delivery to your customers.  I understand Netskrt provides caching 
> for some well known online video streaming services... just wondering if 
> there are any network operators that have worked with Netskrt and deployed 
> their caching servers in your networks and what have you thought about it?  
> What Internet uplink savings are you seeing?
>
> Netskrt - https://www.netskrt.io/
>
>
> --
> -Aaron
>

Re: Netskrt - ISP-colo CDN

[Tim Burke]

I have been trying to get _away_ from caching appliances on our network — other 
than Google, we are able to pick up most of the stuff that otherwise would be 
cacheable via private peering; so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for us 
to have appliances in the datacenter taking up space, power, and 100G ports, 
and increasing potential attack surface by having devices that we cannot 
control directly connected to edge routers.

> On Apr 4, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Aaron Gould  wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there using Netskrt CDN?  I mean, installed in your network for 
> content delivery to your customers.  I understand Netskrt provides caching 
> for some well known online video streaming services... just wondering if 
> there are any network operators that have worked with Netskrt and deployed 
> their caching servers in your networks and what have you thought about it?  
> What Internet uplink savings are you seeing?
> 
> Netskrt - https://www.netskrt.io/
> 
> 
> -- 
> -Aaron
> 

Re: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?

[Tim Burke]

Yep, can confirm the same thing. Rather connect over PNI when possible instead 
of using caches anyway, less hardware that we have to keep in colos, not to 
mention the associated liabilities. 

> On Feb 22, 2024, at 12:55, John Stitt  wrote:
> 
> I can't speak with authority since I'm not with Akamai, but I requested a 
> cache maybe a year or so ago. At the time I was told they were moving away 
> from caching unless you were doing well over 100Gbps consistently, just due 
> to the massive scale of their data not lending itself well to caching in 
> smaller installs. Their cache hit percentages were getting lower all the time.
> 
> They were really pushing for doing PNI or hitting them over an IXP instead.
> 
> It's possible something has changed though, just wanted to throw my 
> experience out in case it helps.  Can't hurt to reach out and make a request 
> and see what they tell you directly. I got a response pretty quickly and they 
> were nice about it.
> 
> John Stitt
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of 
> Tom Samplonius
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 12:29 PM
> To: NANOG 
> Subject: Akamai AANP minimum traffic?
> 
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> 
>  Does anyone know what the minimum traffic is to qualify for an Akamai AANP 
> cache?
> 
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
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Re: Any info on AT Wireless Outage?

[Tim Burke]

No issues on FirstNet here in Houston metro, but AT consumer core still 
appears to be non-functional.



From: NANOG on behalf of Ryan A. Krenzischek via NANOG
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2024 8:03 AM
To: Ray Orsini
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Any info on AT Wireless Outage?

The same as well for FirstNet but am now able to make calls.  Others who are on 
AT are unable to receive or send calls.  Enabling wifi calling on a regular 
AT phone (android) results in a 502 bad gateway error message.

Ryan

On Feb 22, 2024, at 08:11, Ray Orsini via NANOG  wrote:


We're affected as well. Unable to dial out. I haven't found any official 
statement though.

Re: Peering Contact at AS16509

[Tim Burke]

We reached out some time ago using the contact on PeeringDB and had no issue, 
but the amount of transit consumed to get to 16509 is substantial enough to 
make responding worth their while. 

Their minimum peering is 100G, with 400G preferred, so it’s very possible that 
if you’re not consuming anywhere close to 100G, the lack of response could 
correlate to a lack of interest on their side. 

> On Feb 18, 2024, at 13:09, Peter Potvin via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> 
> If a contact who manages North American peering at AS16509 could reach out 
> off-list, that would be appreciated. Myself and a few colleagues have 
> attempted to reach out via the contacts listed on PeeringDB on multiple 
> occasions over the last couple of months and have not been successful in 
> reaching someone.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Peter Potvin

Re: Sling TV Geolocation

[Tim Burke]

Thanks for reminding me that I forgot to bump this.

I did use that contact form and got a response relatively quickly. It doesn't 
seem like they know what a geofeed is, but they were able to add my requested 
change to their data to take place in a couple of weeks.

Tim

From: Justin Krejci 
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 2:42 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org ; Tim Burke 
Subject: Re: Sling TV Geolocation

I have Digital Element in my own internal wiki page for managing/documenting IP 
geolocation services headaches.

Searching them up on my page I see noted they have a contact us form that 
specifically lists "IP Address Data Update" as a contact reason. Maybe that 
will give you or others some avenue into the proper eyeballs over there.
https://www.digitalelement.com/contact-us/

I appreciate the follow up and will add a note to my page that Sling TV uses 
Digital Element, at least at the moment.

As always, good luck on your endeavor.



-Original Message-----
From: Tim Burke mailto:tim%20burke%20%3c...@mid.net%3e>>
To: nanog@nanog.org 
mailto:%22na...@nanog.org%22%20%3cna...@nanog.org%3e>>
Subject: Re: Sling TV Geolocation
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 20:32:10 +

(long overdue) Follow up on this – after plenty of emails, phone calls, and 
research, and our poor customers having to watch the Packer game, I was able to 
find out that Sling is using Digital Envoy/DigitalElement for geolocation... I 
assume the info on 
https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/<https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0=jkre...@usinternet.com=1706128380200-026-00310571=u2ujcpaz=bru6s2fji=0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0=https%3A%2F%2Fthebrotherswisp.com%2Findex.php%2Fgeo-and-vpn%2F>
 should work for this, but I am waiting for hear back from said geolocation 
vendor with an answer.

Thanks,
Tim


________
From: Tim Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 11:36 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Sling TV Geolocation

Yet another geolocation post, because content networks don't pay attention to 
geofeeds... :-)

Anyone know who Sling TV is using for geolocation, or have a contact at Sling 
that can help? We acquired a /19 in July that we just started pushing out to 
customers, it is still geolocating back to the previous owner on Sling TV, 
despite publishing the prefix in our geofeed. Checked the usual lists with no 
luck.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Sling TV Geolocation

[Tim Burke]

(long overdue) Follow up on this – after plenty of emails, phone calls, and 
research, and our poor customers having to watch the Packer game, I was able to 
find out that Sling is using Digital Envoy/DigitalElement for geolocation... I 
assume the info on https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ should 
work for this, but I am waiting for hear back from said geolocation vendor with 
an answer.

Thanks,
Tim


From: Tim Burke
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 11:36 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Sling TV Geolocation

Yet another geolocation post, because content networks don't pay attention to 
geofeeds... :-)

Anyone know who Sling TV is using for geolocation, or have a contact at Sling 
that can help? We acquired a /19 in July that we just started pushing out to 
customers, it is still geolocating back to the previous owner on Sling TV, 
despite publishing the prefix in our geofeed. Checked the usual lists with no 
luck.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Any clue as to when bgp.he.net will be back?

[Tim Burke]

I tried going to bgp.tools at the office the day after I sent that email and 
was able to get to it, so must've just been some goofiness.

From: NANOG  on behalf of Ben Cox via 
NANOG 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 7:51 AM
To: ch...@thesysadmin.au 
Cc: nanog 
Subject: Re: Any clue as to when bgp.he.net will be back?

I spoke with someone at Mimecast and we concluded the the customer of
mimecast has setup that rule (likely the whole of *.tools), since they
could not find anything on there end that didnt like bgp.tools



On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 10:54 PM Christopher Hawker
 wrote:
>
> It'd be interesting to know how Mimecast made the determination that 
> bgp.tools is compromised.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
>
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 at 09:47, Rubens Kuhl  wrote:
>>
>> It might be due to usage of a new gTLD like .tools. A number of new
>> gTLDs use heavy discounting and this is a magnet for abusive
>> registrations, unfortunately.
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 2:15 PM Tim Burke  wrote:
>> >
>> > +1 for bgp.tools, it is a superior tool. Sadly, the corporate IT-forced 
>> > DNS filtering at work for “cybersecurity” (Mimecast) thinks it is a 
>> > compromised website for some reason, so bgp.he.net ends up being used 
>> > while I am at the office.
>> >
>> > On Jan 16, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Ian Chilton  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Not a direct answer to your question, but if you're not aware of it, 
>> > https://bgp.tools/ is a great tool and shows the same info.
>> >
>> > Ian
>> >
>> >

Re: Any clue as to when bgp.he.net will be back?

[Tim Burke]

+1 for bgp.tools, it is a superior tool. Sadly, the corporate IT-forced DNS 
filtering at work for “cybersecurity” (Mimecast) thinks it is a compromised 
website for some reason, so bgp.he.net ends up being used 
while I am at the office.

On Jan 16, 2024, at 8:44 AM, Ian Chilton  wrote:

Hi,

Not a direct answer to your question, but if you're not aware of it, 
https://bgp.tools/ is a great tool and shows the same info.

Ian

Sling TV Geolocation

[Tim Burke]

Yet another geolocation post, because content networks don't pay attention to 
geofeeds... :-)

Anyone know who Sling TV is using for geolocation, or have a contact at Sling 
that can help? We acquired a /19 in July that we just started pushing out to 
customers, it is still geolocating back to the previous owner on Sling TV, 
despite publishing the prefix in our geofeed. Checked the usual lists with no 
luck.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Fastly Peering Contact

[Tim Burke]

The PeeringDB contact info was very useful for us. Granted, we were pulling a 
substantial amount from them over transit, over 20gb at peak, so they have a 
huge incentive to peer with us. 

On Dec 6, 2023, at 12:31, Justin Wilson (Lists)  wrote:


We have sent them some inquiries in markets we are with no reply.  Just figured 
they weren’t interested.




Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net
jus...@fd-ix.com
Https://www.fdi-ix.com

On Dec 5, 2023, at 4:14 PM, Peter Potvin via NANOG  wrote:

Looking for someone on the Fastly peering team to reach out regarding peering 
on a couple mutual IXPs - sent an email to the peering contact as listed on 
PeeringDB and never heard back, and also have a few colleagues who have 
experienced the same issue.

Regards,
Peter Potvin | Executive Director
--
Accuris Technologies Ltd.

Re: CPE/NID options

[Tim Burke]

We are using EX2300-C’s, they do the trick very well. Fanless, flexible 
mounting options, dual 10G feeds, and a nice price point. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 22:44, Ross Tajvar  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm evaluating CPEs for one of my clients, a regional ISP. Currently, we're 
> terminating the customer's service (L3) on our upstream equipment and 
> extending it over our own fiber to the customer's premise, where it lands in 
> a Juniper EX2200 or EX2300.
> 
> At a previous job, I used Accedian's ANTs on the customer prem side. I like 
> the ANT because it has a small footprint with only 2 ports, it's passively 
> cooled, it's very simple to operate, it's controlled centrally, etc. 
> Unfortunately, when I reached out to Accedian, they insisted that the 
> controller (which is required) started at $30k, which is a non-starter for us.
> 
> I'm not aware of any other products like this. Does anyone have a 
> recommendation for a simple L2* device to deploy to customer premises? Not 
> necessarily the exact same thing, but something similarly-featured would be 
> ideal.
> 
> *I'm not sure if the ANT is exactly "layer 2", but I don't know what else to 
> call it.

Re: OSP Management

[Tim Burke]

We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do 
the trick well.

From: NANOG  on behalf of michael brooks - 
ESC 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM
To: Mike Hammett 
Cc: NANOG 
Subject: OSP Management

On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to 
stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the 
billions of options can be overwhelming




michael brooks
Sr. Network Engineer
Adams 12 Five Star Schools
michael.bro...@adams12.org

"flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"



On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
 Always fun managing OSP.



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Charter DNS servers returning malware filtered IP addresses

[Tim Burke]

Agreed, it should be 100% opt-in… and I don’t even like the idea of providing 
filtered DNS at all. 

But sadly, judging by the number of neighborhood Facebook group posts I see 
from people complaining about “their wifi being down” during yet another fiber 
cut, there are an increasingly large number of end users that expect their ISPs 
to provide a 100% idiot-proof solution. Security filtering is part of that 
solution, along with all of the ’set and forget’ mesh wifi systems that clog up 
spectrum worse than an overdriven CB radio. 

Certainly not bulletproof, but as the movie “Idiocracy” turns more and more 
into a documentary, I think solutions like this will become more commonplace. 
As long as clueful users can disable it without trouble, I’m perfectly fine 
with it.  

> On Oct 30, 2023, at 6:00 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2023, at 07:58, Livingood, Jason  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 10/27/23, 19:01, "NANOG on behalf of Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>>> If it’s such a reasonable default, why don’t any of the public resolvers 
>>> (e.g. 1.1.1.1, 8.8.8.8, 9.9.9.9, etc.) do so?
>>> DNS isn’t the right place to attack this, IMHO.
>> 
>> Are we sure that the filtering is done in the default view - I would suggest 
>> the user check to ensure they don't have a filtering service (e.g. parental 
>> controls/malware protection) turned on. In my **personal** opinion, the 
>> default view should have DNSSEC validation & no filtering; users can always 
>> optionally select additional protection services that might include 
>> DNS-based filtering as well as other mechanisms. 
>> 
>> JL
>> 
> 
> Looks like 9.9.9.9 is filtered but ONLY for actual verified security threats, 
> not spam, etc.
> If you want unfiltered, they offer 9.9.9.10.
> 
> Cloudflare offers two different filtered services, but 1.1.1.1 remains 
> unfiltered.
> 
> 1.1.1.2 is “No Malware”
> 1.1.1.3 is “No Malware or Adult Content”
> 
> So yes, apparently one (and only one) public resolver now filters by default.
> 
> I stand by my statement… It should be an opt-in choice, not a default.
> 
> Owen
> 

Re: Akamai Network Partnership

[Tim Burke]

Yeah, when I submitted inquiry to them, they are preferring PNIs instead simply 
due to the huge amount of data storage involved.

I filled out the form at 
https://www.akamai.com/solutions/industries/network-operator/akamai-network-partnerships
 and received a response pretty quickly.

On Oct 17, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Aaron1  wrote:

It’s my understanding that they are scaling back their AANP (ISP-embedded) 
systems.  They decomm’d mine a few months ago.  It had been in place for over 
10 years.

Aaron

On Oct 17, 2023, at 5:27 PM, Justin Krejci  wrote:



Hello Edy,


Log into your peeringdb.com account and go to their network, they have a 
peering contact listed there.


https://www.peeringdb.com/net/2




From: NANOG  on behalf of 
em...@edylie.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 5:10 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Akamai Network Partnership

Dear All,

May I know if anyone could guide me to the right contact for Akamai
Network Partnership?

We are a network operator in Indonesia and is keen to work with Akamai
to speed up access to Akamai Content.

Many Thanks.

Best Regards,
Edy

Re: transit and peering costs projections

[Tim Burke]

I agree, but there are fortunately several large content networks that have had 
the forethought to put their stuff in Houston - Meta, Fastly, Akamai, AWS just 
to name a few… There is enough of a need to warrant those other networks having 
a presence, so hopefully it’s just a matter of time before other content 
networks jump in too.

Those 4 (plus Google cache fills) make up a huge majority of our transit usage, 
so at least we’ll get a majority of it peered off after we get these PNI’s 
stood up. And yes, I will continue to push for Google to light something up in 
Houston. 藍

On Oct 15, 2023, at 11:33, Tom Beecher  wrote:


So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s 
about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google 
finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. Or… 
someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than 
peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 

There is often a chicken/egg scenario here with the economics. As an eyeball 
network, your costs to build out and connect to Dallas are greater than your 
transit cost, so you do that. Totally fair.

However think about it from the content side. Say I want to build into to 
Houston. I have to put routers in, and a bunch of cache servers, so I have 
capital outlay , plus opex for space, power, IX/backhaul/transit costs. That's 
not cheap, so there's a lot of calculations that go into it. Is there enough 
total eyeball traffic there to make it worth it? Is saving 8-10ms enough of a 
performance boost to justify the spend? What are the long term trends in that 
market? These answers are of course different for a company running their own 
CDN vs the commercial CDNs.

I don't work for Google and obviously don't speak for them, but I would suspect 
that they're happy to eat a 8-10ms performance hit to serve from Dallas , 
versus the amount of capital outlay to build out there right now.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 11:47 PM Tim Burke mailto:t...@mid.net>> 
wrote:
I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a 
good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market.

Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost 
costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs.

For example, in the Houston market (one of the largest and fastest growing 
regions in the US!), we do not have a major IX, so to get up to Dallas it’s 
several thousand for a 100g wave, plus several thousand for a 100g port on one 
of those major IXes. Or, a better option, we can get a 100g flat internet 
transit for just a little bit more.

Fortunately, for us as an eyeball network, there are a good number of major 
content networks that are allowing for private peering in markets like Houston 
for just the cost of a cross connect and a QSFP if you’re in the right DC, with 
Google and some others being the outliers.

So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s 
about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google 
finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. Or… 
someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than 
peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 

See y’all in San Diego this week,
Tim

On Oct 14, 2023, at 18:04, Dave Taht 
mailto:dave.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
> stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?
>
> https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php
>
> I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
> $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?
>
> ...
>
> I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
> states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
> IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
> Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
> latencies across town quite hugely...
>
> PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
> BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: ARIN whois contact abuse from ipv4depot aka Silicon Desert International Inc

[Tim Burke]

I’d vote for whoever promises to perma ban Cogent and all of these other clowns 
from access WHOIS data. Someone get on that!

> On Oct 13, 2023, at 19:33, Randy Bush  wrote:
> 
> i received an arin board electioneering "vote for me" today.  i guess
> now i have to go vote against then.
> 
> randy

Re: transit and peering costs projections

[Tim Burke]

I’ve found that most of the CDNs that matter are in one facility in Houston, 
the Databank West (formerly Cyrus One) campus. We are about to light up a POP 
there so we’ll at least be able to get PNIs to them. There is even an IX in the 
facility, but it’s relatively small (likely because the operator wants 
near-transit pricing to get on it) so we’ll just PNI what we can for now.

On Oct 15, 2023, at 08:50, Mike Hammett  wrote:


Houston is tricky as due to it's geographic scope, it's quite expensive to 
build an IX that goes into enough facilities to achieve meaningful scale. CDN 1 
is in facility A. CDN 2 in facility B. CDN 3 is in facility C. When I last 
looked, it was about 80 driving miles to have a dark fiber ring that 
encompassed all of the facilities one would need to be in.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Tim Burke" 
To: "Dave Taht" 
Cc: "Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this 
time!" , "libreqos" 
, "NANOG" 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 10:45:47 PM
Subject: Re: transit and peering costs projections

I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a 
good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market.

Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost 
costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs.

For example, in the Houston market (one of the largest and fastest growing 
regions in the US!), we do not have a major IX, so to get up to Dallas it’s 
several thousand for a 100g wave, plus several thousand for a 100g port on one 
of those major IXes. Or, a better option, we can get a 100g flat internet 
transit for just a little bit more.

Fortunately, for us as an eyeball network, there are a good number of major 
content networks that are allowing for private peering in markets like Houston 
for just the cost of a cross connect and a QSFP if you’re in the right DC, with 
Google and some others being the outliers.

So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s 
about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google 
finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. Or… 
someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than 
peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 

See y’all in San Diego this week,
Tim

On Oct 14, 2023, at 18:04, Dave Taht  wrote:
>
> This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
> stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?
>
> https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php
>
> I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
> $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?
>
> ...
>
> I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
> states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
> IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
> Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
> latencies across town quite hugely...
>
> PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
> BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [LibreQoS] transit and peering costs projections

[Tim Burke]

Man, I wanna know where you’re getting 100g transit for $4500 a month! Even 
someone as fly by night as Cogent wants almost double that, unfortunately.

On Oct 15, 2023, at 07:43, Jim Troutman  wrote:


Transit 1G wholesale in the right DCs is below $500 per port.  10gigE full port 
can be had around $1k-1.5k month on long term deals from multiple sources.   
100g IP transit ports start around $4k.

The cost of transport (dark or wavelength) is generally at least as much as the 
IP transit cost, and usually more in underserved markets.  In the northeast it 
is very hard to get 10GigE wavelengths below $2k/month to any location, and is 
generally closer to $3k.  100g waves are starting around $4k and go up a lot.

Pricing has come down somewhat over time, but not as fast as transit prices.   
6 years ago a 10Gig wave to Boston from Maine would be about $5k/month. Today 
about $2800.

With the cost of XCs in data centers and transport costs, you generally don’t 
want to go beyond 2x10gigE before jumping to 100.

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 19:02 Dave Taht via LibreQoS 
mailto:libre...@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?

https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php

I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
$900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?

...

I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
latencies across town quite hugely...

PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.



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Re: transit and peering costs projections

[Tim Burke]

It’s better for customer experience to keep it local instead of adding 200 
miles to the route. All of the competition hauls all of their traffic up to 
Dallas, so we easily have a nice 8-10ms latency advantage by keeping transit 
and peering as close to the customer as possible.

Plus, you can’t forget to mention another ~$10k MRC per pair in DF costs to get 
up to Dallas, not including colo, that we can spend on more transit or better 
gear!

On Oct 14, 2023, at 23:03, Ryan Hamel  wrote:


Why not place the routers in Dallas, aggregate the transit, IXP, and PNI's 
there, and backhaul it over redundant dark fiber with DWDM waves or 400G OpenZR?

Ryan


From: NANOG  on behalf of Tim Burke 

Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 8:45 PM
To: Dave Taht 
Cc: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this 
time! ; libreqos 
; NANOG 
Subject: Re: transit and peering costs projections

Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care when 
clicking links or opening attachments.


I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a 
good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market.

Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost 
costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs.

For example, in the Houston market (one of the largest and fastest growing 
regions in the US!), we do not have a major IX, so to get up to Dallas it’s 
several thousand for a 100g wave, plus several thousand for a 100g port on one 
of those major IXes. Or, a better option, we can get a 100g flat internet 
transit for just a little bit more.

Fortunately, for us as an eyeball network, there are a good number of major 
content networks that are allowing for private peering in markets like Houston 
for just the cost of a cross connect and a QSFP if you’re in the right DC, with 
Google and some others being the outliers.

So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s 
about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google 
finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. Or… 
someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than 
peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 

See y’all in San Diego this week,
Tim

On Oct 14, 2023, at 18:04, Dave Taht  wrote:
>
> This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
> stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?
>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrpeering.net%2Fwhite-papers%2FInternet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc8ebae9f0ecd4b368dcb08dbcd319880%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638329385118876648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=nQeWrGi%2BblMmtiG9u7SdF3JOi1h9Fni7xXo%2FusZRopA%3D=0<https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php>
>
> I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
> $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?
>
> ...
>
> I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
> states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
> IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
> Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
> latencies across town quite hugely...
>
> PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
> BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30: 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnetdevconf.info%2F0x17%2Fnews%2Fthe-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html=05%7C01%7Cryan%40rkhtech.org%7Cc8ebae9f0ecd4b368dcb08dbcd319880%7C81c24bb4f9ec4739ba4d25c42594d996%7C0%7C0%7C638329385118876648%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=ROLgtoeiBgfAG40UZqS8Zd8vMK%2B0HQB7RV%2FhQRvIcFM%3D=0<https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html>
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: transit and peering costs projections

[Tim Burke]

I would say that a 1Gbit IP transit in a carrier neutral DC can be had for a 
good bit less than $900 on the wholesale market.

Sadly, IXP’s are seemingly turning into a pay to play game, with rates almost 
costing as much as transit in many cases after you factor in loop costs. 

For example, in the Houston market (one of the largest and fastest growing 
regions in the US!), we do not have a major IX, so to get up to Dallas it’s 
several thousand for a 100g wave, plus several thousand for a 100g port on one 
of those major IXes. Or, a better option, we can get a 100g flat internet 
transit for just a little bit more. 

Fortunately, for us as an eyeball network, there are a good number of major 
content networks that are allowing for private peering in markets like Houston 
for just the cost of a cross connect and a QSFP if you’re in the right DC, with 
Google and some others being the outliers.

So for now, we'll keep paying for transit to get to the others (since it’s 
about as much as transporting IXP from Dallas), and hoping someone at Google 
finally sees Houston as more than a third rate city hanging off of Dallas. Or… 
someone finally brings a worthwhile IX to Houston that gets us more than 
peering to Kansas City. Yeah, I think the former is more likely. 

See y’all in San Diego this week,
Tim

On Oct 14, 2023, at 18:04, Dave Taht  wrote:
> 
> This set of trendlines was very interesting. Unfortunately the data
> stops in 2015. Does anyone have more recent data?
> 
> https://drpeering.net/white-papers/Internet-Transit-Pricing-Historical-And-Projected.php
> 
> I believe a gbit circuit that an ISP can resell still runs at about
> $900 - $1.4k (?) in the usa? How about elsewhere?
> 
> ...
> 
> I am under the impression that many IXPs remain very successful,
> states without them suffer, and I also find the concept of doing micro
> IXPs at the city level, appealing, and now achievable with cheap gear.
> Finer grained cross connects between telco and ISP and IXP would lower
> latencies across town quite hugely...
> 
> PS I hear ARIN is planning on dropping the price for, and bundling 3
> BGP AS numbers at a time, as of the end of this year, also.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

RE: Low to Mid Range DWDM Platforms

[Tim Burke]

I'll throw another in the hat for SmartOptics... great products and support. We 
have a good deal of their stuff for local regional deployments and it's super 
reliable, even at over 100km on a mediocre dark fiber span.

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Joe Freeman
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2023 9:01 AM
To: Dave Bell ; Mark Tinka 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Low to Mid Range DWDM Platforms

I have several of the Smart Optics DCP-M40's in place. If you are using 
coherent 100G DWDM optics, you can push the M40-ZR's to 100-120km. The exact 
reach depends, of course, on the quality of the fiber plant in use.


From: NANOG 
mailto:nanog-bounces+joe=netbyjoe@nanog.org>>
 on behalf of Dave Bell mailto:m...@geordish.org>>
Date: Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:54 AM
To: Mark Tinka mailto:mark@tinka.africa>>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>
Subject: Re: Low to Mid Range DWDM Platforms
Smartoptics?

https://smartoptics.com/

Regards,
Dave

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 at 14:43, Mark Tinka 
mailto:mark@tinka.africa>> wrote:


On 10/6/23 15:07, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I've been using various forms of passive WDM for years. I have a couple 
> different projects on my plate that require me to look at the next level of 
> platform.
>
> In some projects, I'll be looking for needing to have someone long distances 
> of glass without any electronics. Some spans could be over 60 miles.
>
> In some projects, I'll need to transport multiple 100-gig waves.
>
> What is the landscape like between basic passive and something like a 30 
> terabit Ciena? I know of multiple vendors in that space, but I like to learn 
> more about what features I need and what features I don't need from somewhere 
> other than the vendor's mouth. Obviously, the most reliability at the least 
> cost as well.

400G-ZR pluggables will get you 400Gbps on a p2p dark fibre over 80km -
100km. So your main cost there will be routers that will support.

The smallest DCI solution from the leading DWDM vendors is likely to be
your cheapest option. Alternatively, if you are willing to look at the
open market, you can find gear based on older CMOS (40nm, for example),
which will now be EoL for any large scale optical network, but cost next
to nothing for a start-up with considerable capacity value.

There is a DWDM vendor that showed up on the scene back in 2008 or
thereabouts. They were selling a very cheap, 1U box that had a different
approach to DWDM from other vendors at the time. I, for the life of me,
cannot remember their name - but I do know that Randy introduced them to
me back then. Maybe he can remember :-). Not sure if they are still in
business.

Mark.

Re: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

[Tim Burke]

In this case, it came from a person with the title of “Global Account Manager”. 
Unless sales people are handling peering requests all of a sudden, it’s 
definitely a sales pitch. 

> On Oct 2, 2023, at 16:47, Patrick W. Gilmore  wrote:
> 
>  Has anyone replied?
> 
> If this is a peering request, not sure that is a bad use of the AS contact 
> info.
> 
> If it is a sales pitch, then yeah, that’s a problem.
> 
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 14:58, Tim Burke  wrote:
>> 
>> Hurricane has been doing the same thing lately... but their schtick is to 
>> say that "we are seeing a significant amount of hops in your AS path and 
>> wanted to know if you are open to resolve this issue".
>> 
>> complia...@arin.net is about all that can be done, other than public shaming!
>> 
>> Other outfits have been spamming using the nanog attendees list, but I guess 
>> that’s not as bad as the continued scraping of ARIN records, so I won't call 
>> them out... yet, at least. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
>> Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 10:28 AM
>> To: nanog list 
>> Subject: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?
>> 
>> This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN 
>> I administer. They didn’t give any details, but I assumed it might be 
>> related to some kind of network transport issue. I replied cordially, asking 
>> them what they needed. The person then replied with a blatant spam, 
>> advertising Cogent IP services, in violation of the U.S. CAN-SPAM Act’s 
>> prohibition against deceptive UCE.
>> 
>> I believe they got the contact information from ARIN, because the ARIN 
>> technical POC is the only place where my name and the ASN are connected. I 
>> believe this is a violation of Cogent’s contract with ARIN. Does anybody 
>> know how I can effectively report this to ARIN? If we can’t even police 
>> infrastructure providers for spamming, LIOAWKI.
>> 
>> -mel beckman
> 

RE: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

[Tim Burke]

Hurricane has been doing the same thing lately... but their schtick is to say 
that "we are seeing a significant amount of hops in your AS path and wanted to 
know if you are open to resolve this issue".

complia...@arin.net is about all that can be done, other than public shaming! 

Other outfits have been spamming using the nanog attendees list, but I guess 
that’s not as bad as the continued scraping of ARIN records, so I won't call 
them out... yet, at least. 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mel Beckman
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 10:28 AM
To: nanog list 
Subject: cogent spamming directly from ARIN records?

This morning I received an email from someone at Cogent asking about an ASN I 
administer. They didn’t give any details, but I assumed it might be related to 
some kind of network transport issue. I replied cordially, asking them what 
they needed. The person then replied with a blatant spam, advertising Cogent IP 
services, in violation of the U.S. CAN-SPAM Act’s prohibition against deceptive 
UCE.

I believe they got the contact information from ARIN, because the ARIN 
technical POC is the only place where my name and the ASN are connected. I 
believe this is a violation of Cogent’s contract with ARIN. Does anybody know 
how I can effectively report this to ARIN? If we can’t even police 
infrastructure providers for spamming, LIOAWKI.

 -mel beckman

RE: SMTP-friendly VPS provider where I can also get a BGP feed

[Tim Burke]

Unfortunately, Racknerd provides a majority of their services using a dedicated 
server hosting company (Colo Crossing) that is known for harboring spam and 
other malicious activity, so their IP space is generally either blacklisted, of 
very poor reputation, or in many cases, completely dropped at firewalls. Case 
in point, your message that originated from one of these IPs tripped up my 
workstation's local spam filtering plugin from ESET.

V/r
Tim

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Tony Wicks
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 1:39 PM
To: 'Daniel Corbe' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: [SPAM] RE: SMTP-friendly VPS provider where I can also get a BGP feed

I can't speak to the bgp feed as this seems like unnecessary complication to 
me, but I use https://www.racknerd.com/ for personal email/web hosting KVM VM's 
and have found them to be excellent. They have yearly black Friday specials 
(last years - https://www.racknerd.com/BlackFriday/ ) that are very attractive. 
They don't block any ports on their US/Europe VM's. I use a primary pair in one 
city and rsync everything to a backup pair in another city (as well as home 
just to make sure). Not all cities can get V6 but most do.



-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Daniel Corbe
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 11:09 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: SMTP-friendly VPS provider where I can also get a BGP feed

Hey all,

I apologize if this isn't the right place to post this; however, I thought 
maybe the NANOG community would be able to point me in the right direction.

I'm looking for a place that I can host a mailer.  My primary use case is a 
Mailman-style technical discussion list; much like NANOG but software related 
instead of network related: READ: non-commercial in nature.

I'm currently a vultr customer, but they're refusing to unblock port 25 on my 
account.  I've tried explaining my use case but no matter who I talk to over 
there they just keep pointing me to their spam policy.

Thanks!
-Daniel

Re: TACACS+ server recommendations?

[Tim Burke]

Curious about this as well.

We are using Okta's RADIUS service for 2fa to network gear currently, but 
looking to switch to tacacs+ for many reasons. Would prefer to implement 
tacacs+ with two-factor if possible.


From: NANOG  on behalf of Kevin Burke via 
NANOG 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2023 1:53 PM
To: North American Network Operators Group 
Subject: RE: TACACS+ server recommendations?

Is anyone using two factor authentication for network devices?

Getting ready to re-do our authentication infrastructure and was curious if 
this is common.  We are noticing a lot of Active Directory based two factor 
solutions as well as some TACACS solutions that have already been mentioned 
that can use AD as the backend.  Also curious if others have tried this and 
noticed any obvious downsides.

Thanks!

Kevin Burke
802-540-0979
Burlington Telecom
200 Church St, Burlington, VT

Re: AT in Raleigh - Durham region (NC)

[Tim Burke]

Union or not, it's always best to be descriptive when seeking help on a mailing 
list, especially when involving a huge telecom conglomerate. "I need a global 
tier 3 engineer" with no explanation or reasoning is a little off-putting, imo.

From: NANOG  on behalf of TJ Trout 

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 12:58 PM
To: Etienne-Victor Depasquale 
Cc: NANOG 
Subject: Re: AT in Raleigh - Durham region (NC)

Maybe post more details. Those union folks aren't going to do anything extra...

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 12:41 AM Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG 
mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote:
No luck yet, and that's ok, but in case anyone is able to contact me (off list),
I'd settle for anyone from the Global Tier 3 group of network engineers from 
AT

Thank you!

Etienne

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 12:43 PM Etienne-Victor Depasquale 
mailto:ed...@ieee.org>> wrote:
Hello good people,

If anyone from AT in the Raleigh - Durham region (NC) would care to contact 
me off list, I'd be grateful.

Cheers,

Etienne

--
Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale



--
Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale

Re: Last Mile ISP Quality Measurements

[Tim Burke]

We are doing something similar with netpath in Solarwinds, but mainly using the 
stream URLs of some popular streaming services that we see commonly used 
(FuboTV, etc). Came in handy recently in tracking down customer complaints that 
ended up being a peering capacity issue further upstream.

Tim


From: NANOG  on behalf of Mike Hammett 

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 4:08 PM
To: NANOG 
Subject: Last Mile ISP Quality Measurements

What are other last mile ISPs doing to measure the quality of their 
connections? We all know pinging various destinations. We also all know that 
pinging a destination doesn't necessarily tell you the whole quality story.

I currently have Smokeping pulling the HTTPS for about 20 - 25 of the "top" 
websites, per the old Alexa rankings. I feel as though I could be doing more. I 
am more closely wanting to emulate the end-user experience in a repeatable, 
quantifiable fashion. I'd like to do A/B comparisons as well. When I make X 
change, how does it change?


If I'm already doing the low-hanging fruit path, then so be it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Re: Auth0 geolocation?

[Tim Burke]

I don't believe so. Someone was gracious enough to dip the Akamai DB for me... 
I ended up just emailing supp...@akamai.com after finding the discrepancy, 
waiting for them to finish processing the changes. There's gotta be a better 
way to do this, though!


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2023 8:56:53 AM
To: Tim Burke
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Auth0 geolocation?

Is there a publicly available email address/form/etc that we can put on TBW 
page?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 9:43 AM Tim Burke mailto:t...@mid.net>> 
wrote:

For those following along at home, it appears that Akamai was the culprit. 
Didn't even know they offered geolocation services! Many thanks and much 
respect to those who reached out off-list.


Best,

Tim


From: Tim Burke
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 8:29:07 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: Auth0 geolocation?


Apple and Best Buy are other ones that just came up over the weekend, seems to 
be spread out across an entire /17. Oddly, we've had this /17 for close to a 
year and a half, and this is just popping up...


From: NANOG mailto:mid@nanog.org>> on 
behalf of Tim Burke mailto:t...@mid.net>>
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 7:32:41 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Auth0 geolocation?

Anyone know who Auth0 is using for geolocation services? Have a customer 
reporting that Auth0, Lowes, Bank of America, and some other sites are 
reporting their IP in the wrong location. Checked the usual suspects, 
BrothersWISP.com<http://BrothersWISP.com> geolocation providers list, etcetera 
and they’re all showing in the correct location.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Auth0 geolocation?

[Tim Burke]

For those following along at home, it appears that Akamai was the culprit. 
Didn't even know they offered geolocation services! Many thanks and much 
respect to those who reached out off-list.


Best,

Tim


From: Tim Burke
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 8:29:07 AM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: Auth0 geolocation?


Apple and Best Buy are other ones that just came up over the weekend, seems to 
be spread out across an entire /17. Oddly, we've had this /17 for close to a 
year and a half, and this is just popping up...


From: NANOG  on behalf of Tim Burke 

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 7:32:41 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Auth0 geolocation?

Anyone know who Auth0 is using for geolocation services? Have a customer 
reporting that Auth0, Lowes, Bank of America, and some other sites are 
reporting their IP in the wrong location. Checked the usual suspects, 
BrothersWISP.com<http://BrothersWISP.com> geolocation providers list, etcetera 
and they’re all showing in the correct location.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Auth0 geolocation?

[Tim Burke]

Apple and Best Buy are other ones that just came up over the weekend, seems to 
be spread out across an entire /17. Oddly, we've had this /17 for close to a 
year and a half, and this is just popping up...


From: NANOG  on behalf of Tim Burke 

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 7:32:41 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Auth0 geolocation?

Anyone know who Auth0 is using for geolocation services? Have a customer 
reporting that Auth0, Lowes, Bank of America, and some other sites are 
reporting their IP in the wrong location. Checked the usual suspects, 
BrothersWISP.com<http://BrothersWISP.com> geolocation providers list, etcetera 
and they’re all showing in the correct location.

Thanks,
Tim

Auth0 geolocation?

[Tim Burke]

I thought so too, but we already send good geofeed data to Maxmind, and 
queried their DB to verify.

On Apr 7, 2023, at 8:16 AM, Joel Esler  wrote:

 I bet money it’s maxmind.

—
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 6, 2023, at 20:33, Tim Burke  wrote:

 Anyone know who Auth0 is using for geolocation services? Have a customer 
reporting that Auth0, Lowes, Bank of America, and some other sites are 
reporting their IP in the wrong location. Checked the usual suspects, 
BrothersWISP.com<http://BrothersWISP.com> geolocation providers list, etcetera 
and they’re all showing in the correct location.

Thanks,
Tim

Auth0 geolocation?

[Tim Burke]

Anyone know who Auth0 is using for geolocation services? Have a customer 
reporting that Auth0, Lowes, Bank of America, and some other sites are 
reporting their IP in the wrong location. Checked the usual suspects, 
BrothersWISP.com geolocation providers list, etcetera 
and they’re all showing in the correct location.

Thanks,
Tim

Re: Spamhaus flags any IP announced by our ASN as a criminal network

[Tim Burke]

Have you received complaints from Spamhaus in the past? If so, have you acted 
on them in a timely manner?

Based on my past experiences, Spamhaus is rather gracious at first, but if you 
ignore them, they will start blocking you en masse. About 10 years ago, I 
worked for a datacenter/NSP and personally handled all Spamhaus complaints, and 
as soon as I left to go to another company (and the company stopped taking care 
of the complaints), Spamhaus blocked every single one of their IPs until they 
committed to actually handling the complaints again.

V/r
Tim


On Mar 18, 2023, at 8:57 AM, Brandon Zhi  wrote:

Hello guy,

We recently discovered that any IP address announced by our ASN is blacklisted 
by Spamhaus, even if we only announced it but not use it.

I would like to ask if this is manually set by Spamhaus or is the system 
misjudgment? Has anyone encountered the same situation as us?


Best,

Brandon Zhi
HUIZE LTD
www.huize.asia  | www.ixp.su | Twitter

This e-mail and any attachments or any reproduction of this e-mail in whatever 
manner are confidential and for the use of the addressee(s) only. HUIZE LTD 
can’t take any liability and guarantee of the text of the email message and 
virus.

Re: txt.att.net outage?

[Tim Burke]

FWIW, AT does not suggest using the txt.att.net email for anything critical. 
In a previous role I handled public safety CAD, and AT (and Verizon, if I 
remember correctly) made it very clear that if you want to be able to send 
anything other than a miniscule volume of texts through the email-to-SMS 
gateway, you would need to pay for their enterprise messaging service.

If the public safety agency/agencies in question subscribe to the FirstNet 
service, they should be able to reach out to their principal consultant 
(account team) and get a good resolution.

V/r
Tim


From: NANOG  on behalf of Dan Walters via 
NANOG 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 10:09 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: txt.att.net outage?


Know this is a longshot, any chance anyone from the txt.att.net domain might be 
able to help us with what we believe is a blacklist block or possibly an outage?

We deal with 911 cad dispatching and is affecting first responders so looking 
to see if there is a faster way to resolution.



Thanks, in advance.





Daniel Walters

Sr. Systems Admin

Phone: 866.421.2374 ext.6213

daniel.walt...@omnigo.com

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AS15960 abuse contact?

[Tim Burke]

Anyone have an abuse contact at AS15960 / bluehornet / mapp.com that doesn't go 
to /dev/null? I have been getting a ridiculous amount of political spam from 
them, and despite repeatedly unsubscribing and submitting abuse complaints, the 
garbage increases exponentially.


V/r

Tim

Comcast routing contact

[Tim Burke]

Can someone at AS7922 that handles routing please contact me off list?

Seeing bizarre/asymmetric routing in Houston via Cogent, outbound path goes up 
to Dallas to reach Cogent transit, then back down to Houston, while (proper) 
inbound path departs Cogent transit in Houston to hit Comcast. Can’t seem to 
get someone clueful to investigate through normal support channels.

traceroute to 165.254.62.196 (165.254.62.196), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets

 3  50-225-135-89-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (50.225.135.89)  1.038 ms  
0.787 ms  0.816 ms
 4  162.151.134.13 (162.151.134.13)  5.531 ms  1.862 ms  1.820 ms
 5  be-33662-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.92.61)  9.498 ms  8.177 ms 
 8.632 ms
 6  be-3312-pe12.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.34.106)  8.966 ms  
8.618 ms  8.671 ms
 7  * * *
 8  be2763.ccr31.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.73)  8.934 ms
be2764.ccr32.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.47.213)  9.816 ms  7.806 ms
 9  be2443.ccr42.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.44.229)  11.962 ms  29.051 ms 
 10.605 ms
10  be2991.rcr51.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.86)  12.173 ms
be3777.rcr52.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.7.78)  11.716 ms  11.069 ms
11  te0-0-1-3.nr11.b069355-0.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.14.186)  12.402 
ms  11.591 ms
te0-0-1-0.nr11.b069355-0.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.14.190)  12.384 ms
12  38.122.156.130 (38.122.156.130)  11.028 ms  10.711 ms  10.744 ms
13  * * *
14  165.254.62.196 (165.254.62.196)  13.146 ms  11.642 ms  11.616 ms

traceroute to 50.225.135.90 (50.225.135.90), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  165.254.62.194 (165.254.62.194)  0.236 ms  0.185 ms  0.153 ms
 2  ve3.r20.sprntx01.mid.net (64.40.23.64)  0.357 ms  0.362 ms  0.406 ms
 3  te0-0-2-1.nr11.b069355-0.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (38.122.156.129)  1.164 
ms  1.277 ms  1.394 ms
 4  te0-2-1-12.rcr51.iah04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.14.185)  1.271 ms  1.321 
ms  1.290 ms
 5  be3778.ccr42.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.85.65)  7.351 ms 
be2992.ccr42.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.27.109)  2.160 ms  7.310 ms
 6  be3494.rcr22.iah02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.54)  2.261 ms  2.382 ms 
be3485.rcr21.iah02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.28.86)  2.656 ms
 7  be3632.rcr51.b023723-0.iah02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.45.58)  3.331 ms 
be3631.rcr51.b023723-0.iah02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.30.38)  3.233 ms 
be3632.rcr51.b023723-0.iah02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.24.45.58)  3.051 ms
 8  be-200-pe01.westwaypark.tx.ibone.comcast.net (173.167.59.41)  3.003 ms  
3.353 ms  3.294 ms
 9  be-3201-cs02.houston.tx.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.39.37)  5.128 ms 
be-3401-cs04.houston.tx.ibone.comcast.net (96.110.39.61)  5.453 ms  5.392 ms
10  96.110.40.118 (96.110.40.118)  7.344 ms 96.110.40.122 (96.110.40.122)  
5.598 ms 96.110.40.118 (96.110.40.118)  7.289 ms
11  96.108.82.66 (96.108.82.66)  10.383 ms  10.696 ms  13.230 ms
12  ae-0-sur03.luthe.tx.houston.comcast.net (68.85.245.117)  10.509 ms  10.590 
ms  10.466 ms
13  50-225-135-90-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (50.225.135.90)  11.010 ms  
10.885 ms  11.004 ms

V/r
Tim

RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Tim Burke]

This is a good point as well… you can have the largest pipe in the world, but 
in many cases, in-home service issues are caused by crappy CPE.

Example… my neighborhood has 1000/50 GPON (rather silly to offer such poor 
upload speed, but that’s irrelevant in this case) provided by a local outfit, 
Entouch (now Grande/RCN) as part of HOA dues… Many people in the neighborhood 
do not use it and blame the ISP for offering “mediocre service”, simply because 
there is no fancy CPE included as part of the service offering. Yet as soon as 
you swap that $25 Netgear router pre-installed by the home builder’s structured 
wiring contractor for something that’s worth a damn, the pipe is actually 
usable…

With that said, if there needs to be regulation on minimum broadband speeds, 
should there be regulation to require home ISPs to provide high-end 
802.11ax-capable network gear, so the average clueless home user with a 1gbps 
FTTP connection can actually use the service they’re paying for?

V/r
Tim

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2021 12:55 PM
To: NANOG list 
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

Was that the fault of the broadband provider or was that the fault of the 
indoor WiFi?  Is it possible the router has so much interference from all of 
the neighbors and everyones using 2.4 GHz?  What if that example had a cable 
connection with 960/40 mbps and they're limited to 5 mbps up because of the in 
house WiFi solution?

Would upping the broadband plan to 1000/1000 fix that problem?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 2:56 PM Chris Adams 
mailto:c...@cmadams.net>> wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Hammett mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> said:
> "Bad connection" measures way more than throughput.
>
> What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3?

More than one person in a residence, home security systems (camera,
doorbell, etc.) uploading continuously, and more.

I know multiple people that had issues with slow Internet during the
last year as two adults were working from home and 1-3 children were
also schooling from home.  Parents had to arrange work calls around
their kids classroom time and around each other's work calls, because of
limited bandwidth.

The time of the Internet being a service largely for consumption of data
is past.  While school-from-home may be a passing thing as the pandemic
wanes, it looks like work-from-home (at least part time) is not going to
go away for a whole lot of people/companies.

--
Chris Adams mailto:c...@cmadams.net>>

Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

[Tim Burke]

Totally agree with this. We should be focusing on those in rural areas that 
can’t get anything, rather than trying to get blazing fast speeds to everyone 
in the cities.

There are lots of areas here in Texas that can’t get anything other than low 
speed fixed wireless if they’re lucky or satellite… one of the major telcos 
(Frontier) has abandoned their DSLAMs in these areas, and it’s extremely cost 
prohibitive to build out fiber down rural FM roads just to get a couple of 
people 1gbps. Most of these people would kill to get a consistent 25/3.

V/r
Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:


There are millions of people that have 0 mbps (or dialup, satellite, etc) and 
they can't function day to day like everyone else in town.

Changing the definition of broadband to yet again, to a faster speed will do 
nothing for these people except slow the pace at which they get connectivity.  
Why do people "in town" need to go from 25/3 to 100/10 when we really should be 
focusing on the people with nothing?

Changing the definition to 100/100 kills every technology except for fiber.  
Every single cable internet connection suddenly becomes "not internet".  Do we 
really want another AT that ends up with all of the primary last mile 
technology to all the major cities again?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:07 AM Chris Adams (IT) 
mailto:chris.ad...@ung.edu>> wrote:
I’d be interested to understand the rationale for not wanting to change the 
definition. Is it strictly the business/capital outlay expense?


Thanks,

Chris Adams

From: NANOG 
mailto:ung@nanog.org>> On 
Behalf Of Jason Canady
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 8:39 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections

CAUTION: This email originated from outside the University of North Georgia. Do 
not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know 
the content is safe. If you suspect this message is fraudulent, please forward 
to s...@ung.edu or contact the 
IT Service Desk at 706-864-1922.

I second Mike.


On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't think it needs to change.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: "Sean Donelan" 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM
Subject: New minimum speed for US broadband connections


What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?


This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year

year  speed

1999  200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than
dialup/ISDN speeds)

2000  200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service
providers had 128 kbps upload)

2010   4 mbps down / 1 mbps up

2015   25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)
 5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)

2021   ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)

Not only in major cities, but also rural areas

Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't
advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must
deliver better service.

RE: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts

[Tim Burke]

CYA measure more than anything else, so Griddy can say they warned their 
customers that prices would be high when faced with chargebacks or bad press. 

Based on past experience, they are just passing through actual electric costs 
and profiting off of a ~$10 membership fee. After the absurd energy rates they 
had to pass through in 2019 (somewhere around $80/kWh), I'm amazed anyone still 
uses them. 

V/r
Tim

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Mark Tinka
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:26 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts



On 2/17/21 16:09, Ben Cannon wrote:

> https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2021/02/16/electricity-reta
> iler-griddys-unusual-plea-to-texas-customers-leave-now-before-you-get-
> a-big-bill/ 
>  ailer-griddys-unusual-plea-to-texas-customers-leave-now-before-you-get
> -a-big-bill/>
>
>
> The power market in Texas has utterly failed.

Griddy aren't greedy. Pity about the grid.

Mark.

Re: Strange connectivity issue Frontier EVPL

[Tim Burke]

I'm amazed you can get *anything* to work with Logix involved. Haven't 
heard of many issues with PSLightwave in Houston, however... they seem 
to be one of the only halfway decent options here.


On 11/6/20 2:57 PM, aar...@gvtc.com wrote:

My coworker is having similar issues with PS Lightwave and Alpheus/Logix
from San Antonio to Houston whereas some things work and somethings don't

-Aaron

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

[Tim Burke]

Call me juvenile all you like, it doesn't bother me... :-) Being one of the 
younger folks in this industry, it's definitely not the first time. If you like 
Cogent, that's great, but don't attack me just because I think their sales reps 
are shady. 

I can assure you that the reps that were harassing me weren't just given a list 
of leads, they went out of their way to look through ARIN's new allocation list 
and spam the living crap out of people. With that said, I am a man of ethics 
and morals, and will do whatever I can to ensure that I do not do business with 
companies that employ people that engage in unethical tactics. 

I've had no other bandwidth provider engage in Cogent's tactics, including the 
three that I currently do business with, and have an extremely positive 
relationship with. 

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, at 11:20 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> Tim,
> 
> The reps themselves have not been unethical. They've not lied or been 
> dishonest to me in the sales process at all. Comparing them to a shady used 
> car salesman is not a fair comparison. 
> 
> They are likely given a list of leads and need to make so many cold calls to 
> show they're trying to make sales. 
> 
> That's not to say some reps will do unethical things vs other reps like ours 
> who were nothing but honest, good people. 
> 
> I think it's juvenile to avoid a company solely on reps reaching out to sell 
> to you. That's their job. If their network and support is good and their cost 
> is attractive, get over your petty reasons for avoiding them. You're stuck on 
> one point and hold a grudge because "their sales process is shady". 
> 
> I've seen shady companies and cogent isn't one of them. Take CenturyLink 
> where they quote a small business $100 for internet and phone but the bill is 
> actually $197 after all the hidden fees and tax. That's shady. Cogent has 
> never done that. They bill you exactly what's in the contract and not a penny 
> more. 
> 
> Zayo adds hidden fees and BS reasons for why they collect them and there's no 
> way out of it. Again, not a problem with cogent or Hurricane. 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 9:53 AM Dmitry Sherman  wrote:
>> They are not that cheap... 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Dmitry Sherman
>> Interhost Networks
>> www.interhost.co.il
>> dmi...@interhost.net
>> Mob: 054-3181182
>> Sent from Steve's creature 
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Sep 2019, at 16:49, Tim Burke  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ethical business practices are quite important to me... I don't care how 
>>> their pricing is, if every one of their sales reps is on-par with a used 
>>> car salesman, I want nothing to do with them. No other carrier I deal with 
>>> acts in this fashion. 
>>> 
>>> If you're OK with cheap bandwidth sold by car sales rejects, that's fine... 
>>> but I am most certainly not interested.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>>> It may be unethical to pull emails from ARIN listings but their sales guys 
>>>> have a job to do and quotas to meet.
>>>> 
>>>> Don't get mad at the sales reps, maybe think a little higher up the food 
>>>> chain. Each rep I've had has been very fair and respectful. If I don't 
>>>> need anything new, I tell them to followup with me in 6 months and they 
>>>> do. At most they send me a 2 sentence email to see if I need anything. 
>>>> That's something a good rep should do to make sure they're always in the 
>>>> back of your mind and easy to reach. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also, just because you don't like their sales process doesn't mean their 
>>>> network is bad. We've had them for 3 years and never had a single outage. 
>>>> The very few times we did call them for routing questions, they picked up 
>>>> the phone immediately and knew what to do. 
>>>> 
>>>> That already makes them better than some companies that cost 5 times as 
>>>> much. At cogent pricing, you should receive the worst support but it's 
>>>> damn good right along with HE support. Both are the most affordable 
>>>> transit providers but offer the best support. The more expensive guys 
>>>> should get their crap together. 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 7:54 AM Tim Burke  wrote:
>>>>> __
>>>>> That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) 
>>>>> Cogent rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN 
>>>>> contact, trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with 
>>>>> complia..

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

[Tim Burke]

Ethical business practices are quite important to me... I don't care how their 
pricing is, if every one of their sales reps is on-par with a used car 
salesman, I want nothing to do with them. No other carrier I deal with acts in 
this fashion. 

If you're OK with cheap bandwidth sold by car sales rejects, that's fine... but 
I am most certainly not interested.

On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, at 8:02 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> It may be unethical to pull emails from ARIN listings but their sales guys 
> have a job to do and quotas to meet.
> 
> Don't get mad at the sales reps, maybe think a little higher up the food 
> chain. Each rep I've had has been very fair and respectful. If I don't need 
> anything new, I tell them to followup with me in 6 months and they do. At 
> most they send me a 2 sentence email to see if I need anything. That's 
> something a good rep should do to make sure they're always in the back of 
> your mind and easy to reach. 
> 
> Also, just because you don't like their sales process doesn't mean their 
> network is bad. We've had them for 3 years and never had a single outage. The 
> very few times we did call them for routing questions, they picked up the 
> phone immediately and knew what to do. 
> 
> That already makes them better than some companies that cost 5 times as much. 
> At cogent pricing, you should receive the worst support but it's damn good 
> right along with HE support. Both are the most affordable transit providers 
> but offer the best support. The more expensive guys should get their crap 
> together. 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 7:54 AM Tim Burke  wrote:
>> __
>> That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) Cogent 
>> rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN contact, 
>> trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with 
>> complia...@arin.net CCed, he backpedaled and claimed to obtain my 
>> information from Google. 
>> 
>> Gotta love these awful bottom feeding companies. 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Dmitry Sherman wrote:
>>> Cogent are spamming seriously, they call me from different phone number in 
>>> Frankfurt and USA in holidays or at night.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dmitry Sherman
>>> Interhost Networks Ltd
>>> dmi...@interhost.net
>>> Mobile: +972-54-3181182
>>> Office: +972-74-7029881
>>> Web: www.interhost.co.il
>>> 
>>>  On 17/09/2019, 3:25, "NANOG on behalf of Michel Py" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  > If you don’t like Cogent - explain.
>>> 
>>>  Besides the peering issues, they can't stop spamming. If after 20 attempts 
>>> on the phone you have not picked up, they start to send email.
>>>  They abuse whois. They are one of the primary reasons few people put their 
>>> real phone number in whois.
>>> 
>>>  And I have never talked to that level of incompetence. Tell their sales 
>>> droids that you want a link over RFC 1149, or that you need BGT (instead of 
>>> BGP), they will tell you no problem.
>>>  Don't even try to ask anything about communities or RPKI; they can't tell 
>>> the difference between a router and a connected coffee pot. If you must 
>>> deal with them, record everything.
>>> 
>>>  If someone has a cheap Asterisk trick so when the caller ID says COGENT it 
>>> goes directly to Lenny I'll take it.
>>> 
>>>  Michel
>>> 
>>>  TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are 
>>> intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that 
>>> may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
>>> you must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or 
>>> the information contained herein. In the event you have received this 
>>> message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this 
>>> message, and then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

[Tim Burke]

That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) Cogent 
rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN contact, 
trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with 
complia...@arin.net CCed, he backpedaled and claimed to obtain my information 
from Google. 

Gotta love these awful bottom feeding companies. 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Dmitry Sherman wrote:
> Cogent are spamming seriously, they call me from different phone number in 
> Frankfurt and USA in holidays or at night.
> 
> -- 
> Dmitry Sherman
> Interhost Networks Ltd
> dmi...@interhost.net
> Mobile: +972-54-3181182
> Office: +972-74-7029881
> Web: www.interhost.co.il
> 
>  On 17/09/2019, 3:25, "NANOG on behalf of Michel Py"  on behalf of michel...@tsisemi.com> wrote:
> 
>  > If you don’t like Cogent - explain.
> 
>  Besides the peering issues, they can't stop spamming. If after 20 attempts 
> on the phone you have not picked up, they start to send email.
>  They abuse whois. They are one of the primary reasons few people put their 
> real phone number in whois.
> 
>  And I have never talked to that level of incompetence. Tell their sales 
> droids that you want a link over RFC 1149, or that you need BGT (instead of 
> BGP), they will tell you no problem.
>  Don't even try to ask anything about communities or RPKI; they can't tell 
> the difference between a router and a connected coffee pot. If you must deal 
> with them, record everything.
> 
>  If someone has a cheap Asterisk trick so when the caller ID says COGENT it 
> goes directly to Lenny I'll take it.
> 
>  Michel
> 
>  TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are 
> intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that may 
> be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you 
> must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or the 
> information contained herein. In the event you have received this message in 
> error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, and 
> then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!...
> 
> 
> 

Re: Spam due to new ARIN allocation

[Tim Burke]

Done, Sir. Thanks.

Tim Burke
t...@burke.us

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42 PM, John Curran wrote:
> Tim - 
> 
> When you have moment, could you forward both of those Whois spam messages to 
> complia...@arin.net ?
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers]
> 
> 
>> On 2 Aug 2019, at 7:32 PM, Tim Burke  wrote:
>> 
>> We recently received a new ASN from ARIN - you know what that means... the 
>> sales vultures come out to play!
>> 
>>  So far, it has resulted in spam from Cogent (which is, of course, to be 
>> expected), and now another company called "CapCon Networks" - 
>> http://www.capconnetworks.com. As far as I am aware, this practice is 
>> against ARIN's Terms of Use. Is it worth reporting to ARIN, or perhaps it's 
>> worth creating a List of People To Never Do Business With™, complete with 
>> these jokers, and other vultures that engage in similar tactics? 
>> 
>>  Regards,
>>  Tim Burke
>> t...@burke.us

Spam due to new ARIN allocation

[Tim Burke]

We recently received a new ASN from ARIN - you know what that means... the 
sales vultures come out to play!

So far, it has resulted in spam from Cogent (which is, of course, to be 
expected), and now another company called "CapCon Networks" - 
http://www.capconnetworks.com. As far as I am aware, this practice is against 
ARIN's Terms of Use. Is it worth reporting to ARIN, or perhaps it's worth 
creating a List of People To Never Do Business With™, complete with these 
jokers, and other vultures that engage in similar tactics? 

Regards,
Tim Burke
t...@burke.us

Re: Netzero Email Abuse

[Tim Burke]

Good luck... they do not have anybody clueful handling abuse. United Online's 
abuse is all handled by a bunch of untrained fools in a third-world country. 
This was as of ~5 years ago, things may have changed now, but I doubt it.

On 2/9/18, 7:21 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

Could someone from Netzeros email abuse team contact me?

Your spam notification system is spamming me and I have been unable to get 
ahold of anyone regarding this. 

Over the last 48 hours it has sent probably 25-30 emails to our abuse email 
address. All emails are the same, with the same content, and are actually a 
human generated email from a customer I personally know (Eg not even spam). 

Re: Attacks from poneytelecom.eu

[Tim Burke]

AS12876 is online.net... home of the €2.99 physical server, perfect for all of 
your favorite illegitimate activity. I’m curious how much traffic originates 
from that ASN that is actually legitimate... probably close to none. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:35 AM, Troy Mursch  wrote:
> 
> Dovid,
> 
> Back in September, I documented my poor experience with AS12876 here:
> https://badpackets.net/ongoing-large-scale-sip-attack-
> campaign-coming-from-online-sas-as12876/
> Since then, their handling of abuse notifications (or lack thereof) has
> largely remained the same. The volume of malicious traffic from their
> network hasn't decreased either.
> 
> As you noted, others have reported similar issues with AS12876, including
> my associate Dr. Neal Krawetz: https://twitter.com/h
> ackerfactor/status/932593355648667649. I've also compiled a list of
> complaints regarding AS12876 in this thread: https://twitter.com/ba
> d_packets/status/937220987371732992
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> __
> 
> *Troy Mursch*
> 
> @bad_packets 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:51 PM, Dovid Bender  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Lately we have seen a lot of attacks from IPs where the PTR record ends in
>> poneytelecom.eu to PBX systems. A quick search on twitter (
>> https://twitter.com/hashtag/poneytelecom) shows multiple people
>> complaining
>> that they reported the IP's yet nothing happens. Has anyone had the
>> pleasure of dealing with them and have you gotten anywhere? I wonder if the
>> only option is public shaming.
>> 
>> I would rather not ban their AS as it may hurt legit traffic but I am out
>> of ideas at this point
>> 
>> TIA.
>> 
>> Dovid
>> 

RE: Nationwide AT BVOIP/SIP Outage

[Tim Burke]

Can confirm there was an outage here... Houston, TX area.

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Cary Wiedemann
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 11:06 AM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Nationwide AT BVOIP/SIP Outage

All,

Our AT BVOIP service is down nationwide.  Our account managers are 
frantically looking into it but we don't have an official statement yet.

Symptoms vary from no ringing (sourced from MegaPath), ring then drop (sourced 
from Verizon/T-Mobile), or "The call you are attempting to place is not allowed 
from this line" (sourced from AT Wireless).

Anyone else experiencing this or have any explanations?  It's supposedly 
affecting the entire platform.  Anyone on-list from AT who can comment?

Our PNT private line circuits are all up, it seems the BVOIP phone switch is 
just hard down.

Sorry, I know NANOG isn't the best place for outage discussions; but the 
puck.nether.net Outages list seems to be broken today and AT is a gigantic 
North American phone provider.

Thank you.

- Cary

Re: Denver

[Tim Burke]

Handy Networks in Denver have a pretty decent footprint, good people too.

http://www.handynetworks.com/

On Mar 27, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote:

 So in Denver Comfluent\CoreSite seems to be the place to be... except as 
 someone that predominately serves eyeball networks, I'm interested in 
 NetFlix. NetFlix is in EdgeConneX... where no other significant peering is 
 happening. 
 
 Also, my partner who has been looking into the Denver market said that 
 CoreSite costs more than Chicago Equinix. 
 
 Any recommendations for where to go? Seems like both main options suck, but 
 there aren't any better. 
 
 
 This would be for eyeball networks getting peering with the big content guys 
 and cheaper transit than the tier 4\5\6\7\8 (how small of markets get 
 numbers?) where they're located. 
 
 
 Any significant web hosting operations in the Denver market? Someone that's 
 bigger than Bob's DS3 Web Hosting, but not SoftLayer size where they can't 
 get creative with their services. 
 
 
 
 
 - 
 Mike Hammett 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 
 

Re: UVerse question

[Tim Burke]

What is a “4wire” modem? Is that a Chinese knockoff of a 2wire brand? ;-) Or 
are you referring to a pair-bonded modem?

ATT seems to only offer the pair-bonded device (in most cases, a Motorola 
NVG589) when you have their 45mbps “Power” service. If anything, you could 
always upgrade to the 45mbps service just to get the new modem, and then 
downgrade after you get the modem installed. The newer modems, including the 
589, provide IPv6 support using 6rd.

The compatibility test previously mentioned will determine if your current 
device is capable of IPv6. The older equipment has firmware updates available 
that will provide IPv6 connectivity.

 On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote:
 
 Any suggestions on what to tell ATT to get IPv6 added to a current account 
 and upgrade a 2wire router to 4wire with halfway decent performance and 
 capability?
 
 Any and all help would be appreciated.
 
 Tom

Re: Anyone else having trouble reaching thepiratebay.se? AS39138

[Tim Burke]

Reachable from 32748.

tim-macbookair:~ tim$ curl -I thepiratebay.se | head -n 2
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: nginx/1.6.0

tim-macbookair:~ tim$ traceroute thepiratebay.se
traceroute to thepiratebay.se (194.71.107.27), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  ip253 (208.100.33.253)  4.519 ms  3.744 ms  7.527 ms
 2  xe-0-0-1.core4.chi02.steadfast.net (208.100.32.54)  4.327 ms  3.609 ms 
 4.261 ms
 3  equinix-chicago.r1.chi1.us.as5580.net (206.223.119.45)  1.949 ms  
2.118 ms  2.739 ms
 4  eth1-4.core1.nyc1.us.as5580.net (78.152.34.149)  27.405 ms  29.265 ms  
27.324 ms
 5  eth1-5.core1.lon1.uk.as5580.net (78.152.44.134)  112.885 ms  111.443 
ms  115.038 ms
 6  eth13-1.core1.ams2.nl.as5580.net (78.152.44.239)  117.769 ms  117.290 
ms  117.682 ms
 7  eth1-7.core1.ams1.nl.as5580.net (78.152.34.13)  119.281 ms  117.476 ms 
 119.076 ms
 8  eth4-1.r1.dus1.de.as5580.net (78.152.35.81)  127.028 ms  129.374 ms  
121.328 ms
 9  78.152.56.135 (78.152.56.135)  120.359 ms  120.729 ms  122.419 ms
10  te-2-1-800.bbr-dtm-01.de.infra.rrbone.net (31.172.1.10)  125.505 ms  
126.621 ms  124.002 ms
11  * * *
12  xe-3-2.r02.dsdfge01.de.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.5.174)  128.702 ms  
123.925 ms  124.836 ms
13  xe-0-1-0-20.r02.amstnl02.nl.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.64)  128.228 ms  
128.397 ms  127.411 ms
14  129.250.9.50 (129.250.9.50)  129.909 ms  129.704 ms  129.277 ms
15  sl-bb21-ams-.sprintlink.net (217.149.32.206)  131.034 ms  128.477 ms  
134.101 ms
16  sl-crs2-lon-0-8-3-0.sprintlink.net (213.206.129.143)  141.237 ms  
144.952 ms  140.634 ms
17  sl-crs2-lon-.sprintlink.net (213.206.128.184)  143.750 ms  143.616 ms *
18  sl-crs1-nyc-0-5-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.9.163)  203.638 ms  
203.826 ms  201.930 ms
19  144.232.5.216 (144.232.5.216)  289.414 ms  226.218 ms  223.651 ms
20  144.232.18.59 (144.232.18.59)  225.157 ms  225.886 ms  241.369 ms
21  144.232.1.73 (144.232.1.73)  303.248 ms *  432.785 ms
22  144.232.11.17 (144.232.11.17)  272.401 ms  434.872 ms  269.220 ms
23  * * *
24  *^C



On 11/26/14, 5:41 PM, Javier J jav...@advancedmachines.us wrote:

Name:   thepiratebay.se
Address: 194.71.107.27

Its reachable from some places and not others.

Is it being filtered?

Is it being hijacked?

Email to them bounced from google apps.

Are we now officially living in a police state?

mtr dies at hop 2 for me:

2. l100.nwrknj-vfttp-134.verizon-gni.net  ( 173.70.26.1 )

Is verizon now censoring the internet for me?

RE: BGP Session

[Tim Burke]

Sounds like one of those sketchy 'triple-opt-in' mailing lists... :-)

Or they're running 37 FTP's, 6 Ventrillos, 71 teleconferences, etc. Oh, and 
SSL. Can't forget about SSL. 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 11:59 AM
To: Abuse Contact
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: BGP Session

A single linux box with a whole /24 on it? What sort of use case is that, BTW?
 On 19-Jul-2014 10:26 pm, Abuse Contact stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I know, the DC is going to be giving me a BGP session on their router 
 so I can set it up, I'm not using a Linux server as a router.


 On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:04 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:

  On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Abuse Contact 
  stopabuseandrep...@gmail.com wrote:
   So I just purchased a Dedicated server from this one company and I
 have a
   /24 IPv4 block that I bought from a company on WebHostingTalk, but 
   I am clueless on how to setup the /24 IPv4 block using the BGP 
   Session. I
 want
   to set it up to run through their network as if it was one of 
   their
 IPs,
   etc. I keep seeing things like iBGP (which I think means like a 
   inner routing BGP) and eBGP (what I'm talking about??) but I have 
   no idea how
  to
   set those up or which one I would need.
 
  Howdy,
 
  Unless you have (1) a real router available, not a just a server and
  (2) an expert available to help you with your first BGP 
  configuration I strongly recommend you simply ask your service 
  provider to announce the /24 to the Internet on your behalf.
 
  Server-based BGP software like Quagga for Linux is reasonably good 
  but it should absolutely not be involved in your _first_ attempt to 
  connect with the Internet's default-free zone. Simple mistakes with 
  eBGP can cause tremendous damage to other folks on the Internet. 
  Trial and error is simply not OK. If it isn't worth it to you to buy 
  a BGP-capable router then you also aren't prepared to make the 
  investment in learning it takes to use BGP without causing harm.
 
  Regards,
  Bill Herrin
 
 
  --
  William Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us 
  Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/ 
  Can I solve your unusual networking challenges?
 

Re: Customer Support Ticketing

[Tim Burke]

Kayako is the way to go. IIRC they have a trial up on their website, may be 
worth checking out.

Tim

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:01:11 AM
Subject: Customer Support Ticketing

Hey folks….

We need a new customer ticketing system and I’m looking for input.  I am
still working on a scope document on everything we want to do with the new
system.

The most common problem I run across is that a system is either built for
enterprise internal IT helpdesk or it is built like a CRM sales tracking
system.  We are an ISP among other things and are looking for a powerful and
yet reasonable cost system to answer email inquiries, allow customers to
open tickets via portal, mobile support, escalation/SLA support, and several
other things.  Solarwinds NPM integration would be a huge bonus but not a
deal breaker.  If anyone has a system that they have integrated with Ivue
from NISC (our billing platform) I would be really interested in hearing
more as well.

So my question is meant high level.  For those folks that are ISP’s
supporting business customers (including managed customers) along with
residential eyeball traffic what system(s) do you use and what do you
like/dislike?

I’ve looked so far at WHD (Solarwinds product), OTRS, RT, RemedyForce,
ZenDesk, HappyFox, Kayako and several others.  All of them so far would
require a fair amount of configuration or modifications based on our still
developing wish list.  Also worth noting is that we have no full time
development staff so hoping to find something that has a lot of promise and
then work with the vendor to evolve it into what we feel we need.

**This is not an invitation for sales folks to call on me**

Thanks,

Paul

Re: ATT Postmaster Contact

[Tim Burke]

I've had decent luck reaching out to abuse_...@abuse-att.net, any other method 
of contact seems to just go to /dev/null.

It does generally take longer than 2 days to hear back, patience is a virtue.

- Original Message -
From: Robert Webb rw...@ropeguru.com
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian ops.li...@gmail.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:06:37 PM
Subject: Re: ATT Postmaster Contact

Thanks. I am the admin of the server.

I only have one user of my list that has a bellsouth.net email address. 
As I stated before, the list might get 15 emails a month sent out. All 
users are put on the list by request only and only one person has 
authorization to send out. So there was NO way I was sending any 
unauthorized email of ANY type in order to get blocked.

Robert



On 03/16/2014 09:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

 They will respond usefully to you if you are the admin of that server. 
 If you are on shared hosting, you might ask your provider to contact 
 them.

 And two days is not an unreasonable time to handle a block issue.

 On 17-Mar-2014 3:09 am, Robert Webb rw...@ropeguru.com 
 mailto:rw...@ropeguru.com wrote:

 Anyone have a contact for postmaster at att.net http://att.net?
 I have one user on an email list I send to and they are blocking
 for abuse. This list might get 15 email a month that go out.

 Filled out their form but would like to get this resolved in
 less than 2 days as they state.

 Robert

Verizon mail IP blacklist contact?

[Tim Burke]

Anyone happen to have a contact at Verizon that can actually get an IP 
delisted in their mail blacklist? I've been attempting to get an IP 
delisted with Verizon for quite some time, and haven't had luck through 
their web form ( 
http://my.verizon.com/micro/whitelist/RequestForm.aspx?id=isp), their 
abuse address, etc. Their autoresponder claims the IP is a dynamic 
address, when this range is considered static with SORBS, Spamhaus, etc.



--Tim

Re: ATT.net postmaster contact

[Tim Burke]

I've had good luck emailing them at abuse_...@abuse-att.net. Takes a
couple days to hear back from them, but they do generally reply.

On 08/26/2013 01:21 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:
 Howdy,
 
 Does anyone know of a good/working ATT.net postmaster contact? We
 have been trying for several weeks to get an IP that has never been
 used before removed from the ATT.net blacklist and we aren't
 getting replies through the forms on their site.
 
 Thanks, -Drew
 

APEWS spam blacklist?

[Tim Burke]

Anyone have a contact involved with the APEWS blacklist? They have had a /19 of 
ours blacklisted for almost two years and there seems to be no way to contact 
them to get this resolved.

Re: Working abuse contact for lstn.net / limestonenetworks.com?

[Tim Burke]

Ha, good luck... Limestone is a haven for cheap child-run web hosting 
companies. I can almost guarantee abuse@ goes to /dev/null...

Sent from my Samsung Captivate(tm) on ATT

goe...@anime.net wrote:

Anyone have a WORKING abuse contact for lstn.net / limestonenetworks.com?

I have tried the usual channels (ab...@limestonenetworks.com, phone calls, 
live chat) with no results.

-Dan

RE: VM slicing and dicing

[Tim Burke]

I'm a big fan of Citrix's XenServer system - I've only created VMs using their 
XenCenter software, but from what I've heard, their API is easy to work with.

Tim Burke
t...@tburke.us
815.556.2000

From: Brandon Kim [brandon@brandontek.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:17 AM
To: nanog group
Subject: OT: VM slicing and dicing

Hey gents:

As always I value your input. Best resource on the planet! =)
I'm hoping this isn't too off-topic if so please respond to me offline if so.

I figured since most of everyone here are operators working in a datacenter, 
you may or may
not have experience with virtualization software that allows you to configure 
VM's on the fly.

I'm not looking for companies that offer this service, but the actual software 
engines that allow you
to create VM's on the fly. So a customer goes to your website and says I want 
Win2008 with 8gigs of RAM and 120gigs of HDD.
Just like custom configuring a new PC.

Does anyone here have experience or knowledge of companies that offer this type 
of software engine?

Thanks in advance!

Brandon

Re: Only 5x IPv4 /8 remaining at IANA

[Tim Burke]

I'm wondering how long it'll be until HE starts spamming their IPv6 service...

Tim Burke
(815) 556-2000
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 18, 2010, at 6:44, Jeroen Massar jer...@unfix.org wrote:

 APNIC just got another IPv4 /8 thus only 5 left:
 
 http://www.nro.net/media/remaining-ipv4-address-below-5.html
 (And the spammers will take the rest...)
 
 So, if your company is not doing IPv6 yet, you really are really getting
 late now.
 
 Greets,
 Jeroen
 
 (PS: There seems to be a trend for people calling themselvesIPv6
 Pioneers as they recently did something with IPv6, if you didn't play
 in the 6bone/early-RIR allocs you are not a pioneer as you are 10 years
 late)
 

RE: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

[Tim Burke]

I'm using Comcast's business-class service. ~$110 per month for 22mbit down, 
5mbit up and a /29.

This would definitely be your best bet as opposed to trying to rig up a 
tunneled setup. You can also get their 12mbit down, 2mbit up service with a /29 
for $79, iirc.


From: Chris Grundemann [cgrundem...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 2:01 PM
To: Bill Bogstad
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote:
 Like many people, I can't justify the expense of commercial IP
 connectivity for my residence.  As a result, I deal with dynamic IP
 addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can host
 at my residence.
snip

Not sure where you live / what service is available to you but many
business DSL, cable and fixed-wireless offerings are quite
reasonably priced these days.  I pay about $100/mo for 16m x 2m and a
/28 from my local cable operator - which is likely less than
residential service plus a vpn/tunnel service. It sure isn't a fiber
metro-E connection but it does let me run my various servers out of
the house. Perhaps something to look into.

$0.02
~Chris


 Thanks,
 Bill Bogstad




--
@ChrisGrundemann
weblog.chrisgrundemann.com
www.burningwiththebush.com
www.coisoc.org

Re: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel merchants?

[Tim Burke]

I've had no problems with it. Seems to be much better than the  
residential service. The /29 was only $10? I must be getting jipped,  
I'm paying $20.

Tim Burke
630.617.1300 Cell
t...@tburke.us Email
Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:

 LoL... I'm using that same service (without the /29 for $10/month)  
 as transport for my
 tunneled setup.

 Owen

 On May 4, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Tim Burke wrote:

 I'm using Comcast's business-class service. ~$110 per month for  
 22mbit down, 5mbit up and a /29.

 This would definitely be your best bet as opposed to trying to rig  
 up a tunneled setup. You can also get their 12mbit down, 2mbit up  
 service with a /29 for $79, iirc.

 
 From: Chris Grundemann [cgrundem...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 2:01 PM
 To: Bill Bogstad
 Cc: NANOG list
 Subject: Re: any bring your own bandwidth IPv4 over IPv4 tunnel  
 merchants?

 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:12, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote:
 Like many people, I can't justify the expense of commercial IP
 connectivity for my residence.  As a result, I deal with dynamic IP
 addresses; dns issues; and limitations on the services that I can  
 host
 at my residence.
 snip

 Not sure where you live / what service is available to you but many
 business DSL, cable and fixed-wireless offerings are quite
 reasonably priced these days.  I pay about $100/mo for 16m x 2m and a
 /28 from my local cable operator - which is likely less than
 residential service plus a vpn/tunnel service. It sure isn't a fiber
 metro-E connection but it does let me run my various servers out of
 the house. Perhaps something to look into.

 $0.02
 ~Chris


 Thanks,
 Bill Bogstad




 --
 @ChrisGrundemann
 weblog.chrisgrundemann.com
 www.burningwiththebush.com
 www.coisoc.org

RE: Gmail Down?

[Tim Burke]

Mail via the web interface appears to be working from here. XMPP is firewalled 
off where I am at right now so I can not check the status of that.

From: Alexander Harrowell [a.harrow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:27 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Gmail Down?

On Thursday 24 September 2009 16:53:32 Jeff MacDonald wrote:
 On Thursday 24 September 2009 11:20:06 Michael Holstein wrote:
   Anyone else seeing Google's Gmail down right now?

 I am not able to use google talk at the moment. each time I try to send
 an IM, I get a 500 error.


London (UK) - mail is up over IMAP. The contacts list/chatbox in Gmail is a
Web wrapper around their Google Talk XMPP server, which I use through a
standalone IM client. And guess what? I can log in but presence-and-
availability info isn't being updated. talk.google.com returns Your message
could not be delivered - reason:

RE: ATT. Layer 6-8 needed.

[Tim Burke]

Appears to be up from here - I'm in suburban Chicago.

traceroute to img.4chan.org (207.126.64.181), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  172.31.129.1 (172.31.129.1)  0.602 ms  1.383 ms  1.638 ms
 2  172.31.128.1 (172.31.128.1)  7.337 ms  10.254 ms  10.638 ms
 3  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  17.694 ms  18.092 ms  18.473 ms
 4  adsl-99-135-157-254.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net (99.135.157.254)  19.318 ms
20.903 ms  22.319 ms
 5  68.250.251.2 (68.250.251.2)  24.326 ms  25.967 ms  27.654 ms
 6  bb2-g9-0.emhril.sbcglobal.net (151.164.94.164)  29.195 ms  11.296 ms
16.196 ms
 7  * * *
 8  te7-2.ccr02.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.11.237)  17.772 ms  19.221
ms  21.926 ms
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  te9-4.mpd01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.217)  56.902 ms  59.571
ms  60.826 ms
12  te8-3.mpd01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.174)  46.897 ms
te7-3.mpd01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.66)  46.735 ms
te4-3.mpd01.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.58)  46.319 ms
13  38.104.35.234 (38.104.35.234)  46.997 ms  34.910 ms  35.444 ms
14  * * *
15  * * *

-Original Message-
From: chris rollin [mailto:260...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:09 AM
To: Shon Elliott
Cc: nanog@nanog.org  nanog
Subject: Re: ATT. Layer 6-8 needed.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Shon Elliott s...@unwiredbb.com wrote:

 Chris,

 Have you even read any of the other posts on here.

I fade in and out


 I have been talking about
 spoofed packets in this thread multiple times.

man engrish


 I do know what it is. I would appreciate you not making stupid comments
like that.

As was stated before, this isnt about you
In other news, it looks like ATT is quietly removing filters from
cities.  Chicago still showing down