Re: Backhoe season?
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 18:56, William Herrin wrote: > Howdy, > > With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping > up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? It seems that in France there are alternatives to backhoes (fr: pelleteuse, jargon: pelleteuz) : https://mobile.twitter.com/acontios_net/status/1242911425938493447 (tldr: scissors seem to work well enough in street sheltres)
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On 31/Mar/20 13:56, Jared Mauch wrote: > Around here this is what is deemed essential: > > - snip - > > All gas, electric, telcom, fiber, and MDOT projects are considered "critical > infrastructure" and essential under Governor Whitmer's Executive Order > 2020-21. ONLY those doing work essential to the needs of our state and our > infrastructure should be placing tickets. > > - snip - > > This means that my fiber construction is ongoing. Plus those crews shouldn’t > get closer than 6’ from each other in most cases. Oh dear. Gubbermints can't tell the difference between "construction" and "maintenance". While all these are "essential services", the organizations, themselves, need to determine what that means for them and their employees from a health & safety perspective. Falling back on, "Well, the gubbermint didn't tell us that we should only fix breaks and not build new projects, so we don't see anything wrong" is reckless. Ah well. Mark.
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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On 26/03/2020 20:02, Aaron Gould wrote: > > Numerous gov'ts and municipalities, which had planned constructions jobs but > postponed them to the summer due to heavy traffic volume, have started to > implement all those construction jobs, which includes backhoes. > Around here this is what is deemed essential: - snip - All gas, electric, telcom, fiber, and MDOT projects are considered "critical infrastructure" and essential under Governor Whitmer's Executive Order 2020-21. ONLY those doing work essential to the needs of our state and our infrastructure should be placing tickets. - snip - This means that my fiber construction is ongoing. Plus those crews shouldn’t get closer than 6’ from each other in most cases. - Jared
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On 27/Mar/20 21:30, Hal Murray wrote: > I suspect any reduction in backhoe activity will depend strongly on where you > are looking. The San Francisco Bay area, including Silicon Valley is taking > things seriously. My expectation is that for countries that lockdown, stability will increase. We are seeing pockets of that here in South Africa (lockdown) and Kenya (night-time curfews, although I think a lockdown is coming soon). On our side of the world, the WACS (West African Cable System) got cut last Saturday morning off the UK coast (Highbridge), so that's not a good look during a time when all need to be online. However, there is backup and the repairs are scheduled to be completed this weekend, Insha'Allah! Mark.
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> I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be affected > much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes and working > on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple fiber cuts > that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in the last > week or so. I suspect any reduction in backhoe activity will depend strongly on where you are looking. The San Francisco Bay area, including Silicon Valley is taking things seriously. >From the City of Menlo Park, Calif, March 20th: Due to the statewide stay-at-home order, effective Friday, March 20, no construction activity is allowed within the city of Menlo Park, except for essential infrastructure projects as determined by the City Manager/Emergency Services Director, until further notice. Active construction sites are instructed to secure their site and cease all further work immediately. Only activities necessary to address immediate health and safety concerns, as determined by the City Manager/Emergency Services Director, are allowed. This action is not taken lightly and is out of extreme concern for the health and safety of construction workers and city employees. Further guidance in light of this decision is expected to be released the week of March 23, 2020. Please visit the city website at menlopark.org/coronavirus for updates. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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I think there are pockets of construction all over -- I have quite a few outages recently with warmer and dry weather all due to various mechanical implements. On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:29 PM Kaiser, Erich wrote: > The outages in Texas are not uncommon at all. Its probably the worst vs > other areas of the country. One other problem area is between Ashburn and > Atlanta. We have been seeing more underlying LH carrier equipment > failures vs fiber cuts in the last year. > > > Erich Kaiser > The Fusion Network > er...@gotfusion.net > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:22 PM Aaron Gould wrote: > >> Yeah Darron, we lost some san Antonio connectivity to Houston via dallas >> or somewhere twice in the past few days, affecting different things for >> us >> >> -Aaron >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Darron Legnon [mailto:dar...@commzoom.com] >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:11 PM >> To: Aaron Gould; 'William Herrin'; nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Backhoe season? >> >> I've had contractors for Zayo hitting multiple fiber routes over the past >> 3 months numerous times affecting us, AT, CenturyLink, Windstream, >> Fiberlight, etc in south Texas. Actually had one cut yesterday around 3pm >> and lasted till 1am. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Aaron Gould >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:03 PM >> To: 'William Herrin' ; nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: RE: Backhoe season? >> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside your organization. Exercise >> caution when opening attachments or clicking links, especially from unknown >> senders. >> >> I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be >> affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes >> and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple >> fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in >> the last week or so. >> >> -Aaron >> >> -Original Message- >> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: Backhoe season? >> >> Howdy, >> >> With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up >> this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? >> >> Regards, >> Bill Herrin >> >> >> -- >> William Herrin >> b...@herrin.us >> https://bill.herrin.us/ >> >> >> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >> COMMZOOM, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the >> individual or >> entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Any other use, retention, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly >> prohibited. >> >> -- Carl Lindahl Network Engineer MCNC 3021 E. Cornwallis Rd. Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 (919) 248-1943 Office (919) 248- Network Operations Center
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Backhoes In Space! https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasas-mars-insight-lander-to-push-on-top-of-the-mole From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+david.hiers=cdk@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Kaiser, Erich Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:26 PM To: Aaron Gould Cc: NANOG list ; Darron Legnon Subject: Re: Backhoe season? The outages in Texas are not uncommon at all. Its probably the worst vs other areas of the country. One other problem area is between Ashburn and Atlanta. We have been seeing more underlying LH carrier equipment failures vs fiber cuts in the last year. Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net<mailto:er...@gotfusion.net> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:22 PM Aaron Gould mailto:aar...@gvtc.com>> wrote: Yeah Darron, we lost some san Antonio connectivity to Houston via dallas or somewhere twice in the past few days, affecting different things for us -Aaron -Original Message- From: Darron Legnon [mailto:dar...@commzoom.com<mailto:dar...@commzoom.com>] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:11 PM To: Aaron Gould; 'William Herrin'; nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RE: Backhoe season? I've had contractors for Zayo hitting multiple fiber routes over the past 3 months numerous times affecting us, AT, CenturyLink, Windstream, Fiberlight, etc in south Texas. Actually had one cut yesterday around 3pm and lasted till 1am. -Original Message- From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Aaron Gould Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:03 PM To: 'William Herrin' mailto:b...@herrin.us>>; nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: RE: Backhoe season? CAUTION: This email originated from outside your organization. Exercise caution when opening attachments or clicking links, especially from unknown senders. I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in the last week or so. -Aaron -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Backhoe season? Howdy, With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us<mailto:b...@herrin.us> https://bill.herrin.us/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bill.herrin.us_=DwMFaQ=N13-TaG7c-EYAiUNohBk74oLRjUiBTwVm-KSnr4bPSc=-GzOCp0ppLaBQPFaZ7lZ4bUUBQxpFBukitRP75oaRdQ=2yrU0BDJ3smeXpDZWa2jGsJGTvkhJvR23wHfBXnZi-s=xsqiqVTd_EVnr1587FiRJ5sS0pM4C-oo1iG-kl1mDuE=> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of COMMZOOM, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
Re: Backhoe season?
On 26/03/2020 20:02, Aaron Gould wrote: Numerous gov'ts and municipalities, which had planned constructions jobs but postponed them to the summer due to heavy traffic volume, have started to implement all those construction jobs, which includes backhoes. -Hank I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in the last week or so. -Aaron -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Backhoe season? Howdy, With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? Regards, Bill Herrin
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The outages in Texas are not uncommon at all. Its probably the worst vs other areas of the country. One other problem area is between Ashburn and Atlanta. We have been seeing more underlying LH carrier equipment failures vs fiber cuts in the last year. Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 3:22 PM Aaron Gould wrote: > Yeah Darron, we lost some san Antonio connectivity to Houston via dallas > or somewhere twice in the past few days, affecting different things for > us > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > From: Darron Legnon [mailto:dar...@commzoom.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:11 PM > To: Aaron Gould; 'William Herrin'; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: Backhoe season? > > I've had contractors for Zayo hitting multiple fiber routes over the past > 3 months numerous times affecting us, AT, CenturyLink, Windstream, > Fiberlight, etc in south Texas. Actually had one cut yesterday around 3pm > and lasted till 1am. > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Aaron Gould > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:03 PM > To: 'William Herrin' ; nanog@nanog.org > Subject: RE: Backhoe season? > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside your organization. Exercise > caution when opening attachments or clicking links, especially from unknown > senders. > > I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be > affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes > and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple > fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in > the last week or so. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Backhoe season? > > Howdy, > > With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up > this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > -- > William Herrin > b...@herrin.us > https://bill.herrin.us/ > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > COMMZOOM, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the > individual or > entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Any other use, retention, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > prohibited. > >
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Yeah Darron, we lost some san Antonio connectivity to Houston via dallas or somewhere twice in the past few days, affecting different things for us -Aaron -Original Message- From: Darron Legnon [mailto:dar...@commzoom.com] Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:11 PM To: Aaron Gould; 'William Herrin'; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Backhoe season? I've had contractors for Zayo hitting multiple fiber routes over the past 3 months numerous times affecting us, AT, CenturyLink, Windstream, Fiberlight, etc in south Texas. Actually had one cut yesterday around 3pm and lasted till 1am. -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Aaron Gould Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:03 PM To: 'William Herrin' ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Backhoe season? CAUTION: This email originated from outside your organization. Exercise caution when opening attachments or clicking links, especially from unknown senders. I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in the last week or so. -Aaron -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Backhoe season? Howdy, With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of COMMZOOM, are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which this e-mail is addressed. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited.
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Every country or state may be different. I am in Denmark/Europe and we consider cable digging as low risk work in regards to the virus. It is outdoor and the workers are in groups of two people keeping distance to other coworkers. Our FTTH buildout is not slowed much at all. We do avoid going inside homes which means the installation is not finished. But we can run cable ducts up to the building, blow fiber into said duct and do the fiber splicing at the cabinet end. We also make new backbone and ready new areas for FTTH. All of this means we also see the usual amount of damage done to our stuff from other parties. In this case we will do home visits to get someone online again. Internet is considered critical infrastructure, so we must do so. Regards Baldur tor. 26. mar. 2020 18.59 skrev William Herrin : > Howdy, > > With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping > up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > -- > William Herrin > b...@herrin.us > https://bill.herrin.us/ >
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The house power was taken out, while we’re all WFH, thanks to Detroit Edison and their backhoes KNOW YOUR ENEMY From: NANOG On Behalf Of Kaiser, Erich Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:00 PM To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Backhoe season? No change from my perspective, have had a few in the last few days, business as usual. Erich Kaiser On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: Howdy, With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us<mailto:b...@herrin.us> https://bill.herrin.us/
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I heard, and am seeing that construction type jobs don't seem to be affected much with the virus shutdown. I mean I see guys building homes and working on roads all around me... furthermore, we've heard of a couple fiber cuts that have brought portions of our network down a couple times in the last week or so. -Aaron -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Backhoe season? Howdy, With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin b...@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
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No change from my perspective, have had a few in the last few days, business as usual. Erich Kaiser On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM William Herrin wrote: > Howdy, > > With so much work shut down, I'm curious how backhoe season is shaping > up this year? How do the circuit and fiber outage numbers look? > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > -- > William Herrin > b...@herrin.us > https://bill.herrin.us/ >
