[Native_American] Buffalo Tracks
Title: Blank BUFFALO TRACKS TAPINGS CONTINUEBUFFALO TRACKS, the APTN talk and varity show, will continue taping shows for its third season, with hosts LUCIE IDLOUT and HERBIE BARNES and the DEREK MILLER BAND. Shows will be taped on Tuesday, October 22 at 9 PM and again on Wednesday, October 23 at both 6 and 9 PM.Free admission for the studio audience. Call 416-531-8725 to reserve. The Poor Alex Theatre, 296 Brunswick Avenue (just south of Bloor St. W.)Tentative Guest line-up includes:Oct 22 at 9 pmThe George Leach Band; visual artist Robert Houle;film maker Pamela MathewsOct 23 at 6 pmBlue Rodeo; the Ontario Lt.Gov. James Bartleman; museum curator Tom HillOct 23 at 9 pmInuk rock singer Edward Snowball; film maker Atom Egoyan;journalist Donna Smith. Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
[Native_American] Can you find the Baby?
Try to find the baby, but don't look to hard Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Think!
You are welcome barbie. Yes it is very important. More should think about it. Rhonda - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you so very much for sharing this information. I am a Reg. Nurse and see nearly every single day how important being a "donor" can be to another. Also, the joy a Donor has within has to be pricelessAs we all know, "We Are One".Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
[Native_American] Jokes
Subject: Fairytale: ndn style SIT DOWN MY CHILDREN, FOR I AM ABOUT TO TELL YOU A STORY. . . An old widowed Indian woman was very lonely, so she decided that she needed a pet to keep her company. So off to town she went to find a pet shop. Upon entering the pet store she began her search for the right companion. Nothing seemed to catch her interest . . . except this one-UgLy--frog. As she walked by the barrel he was in, he looked up and winked at her! The frog whispered in Indian, I'm lonely too! Buy me and you won't be sorry. The Indian woman figured, what the heck, she hadn't found anything else. . .. So, she bought the frog and sat him next to her in her old pickup as she drove away. Down the road the frog whispered to her again in Indian, Kiss me! You won't be sorry. So, the old lady looked behind her in the mirror and figured what the heck? and kissed the frog. Immediately the frog turned into tall, handsome, buff, young warrior. Then he kissed her back . . . and do you know what the old lady turned into? come on, guess The FIRST MOTEL she could find! -- André Cramblit: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Operations Director Northern California Indian Development Council NCIDC (http://www.ncidc.org) is a non-profit that meets the development needs of American Indians and operates an art gallery featuring the art of California tribes (http://www.americanindianonline.com) COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICAN INDIANS/NATIVE AMERICANS/ALASKAN NATIVES HAWAIIAN ISLANDERS. For news of interest to Natives subscribe send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or go to: http://www.topica.com/lists/IndigenousNewsNetwork/subscribe/?location=listinfo Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Alabama Troopers
You welcome! I think they are so funny! I used to have a bunch of them. These and the Cajun stories. But lost them when this thing crashed. Rhonda - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for sharing another "Bubba" story...I love em'.Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
[Native_American] Hum Babbbbbby
Giants over the angels in 5 Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[Native_American] HUUUUUUM Babbbbbbbyyyyyyyyy
GIANTS Over angels In 5 -- Andr Cramblit: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Operations Director Northern California Indian Development Council NCIDC (http://www.ncidc.org) is a non-profit that meets the development needs of American Indians and operates an art gallery featuring the art of California tribes (http://www.americanindianonline.com) COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICAN INDIANS/NATIVE AMERICANS/ALASKAN NATIVES HAWAIIAN ISLANDERS. For news of interest to Natives subscribe send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or go to: http://www.topica.com/lists/IndigenousNewsNetwork/subscribe/?location=listinfo Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[Native_American] HUUUUUUM Babbbbbbbyyyyyyyyy
GIANTS Over angels In 5 -- Andr Cramblit: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Operations Director Northern California Indian Development Council NCIDC (http://www.ncidc.org) is a non-profit that meets the development needs of American Indians and operates an art gallery featuring the art of California tribes (http://www.americanindianonline.com) COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY TO THE FUTURE OF AMERICAN INDIANS/NATIVE AMERICANS/ALASKAN NATIVES HAWAIIAN ISLANDERS. For news of interest to Natives subscribe send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or go to: http://www.topica.com/lists/IndigenousNewsNetwork/subscribe/?location=listinfo Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[Native_American] For my Cherokee Brothers and Sisters
Cherokee Law The Cherokee system was based more on responsibility for wrongful actions than on the notion of "justice" in the western sense of the word. Rather than justice, the Cherokee system was ideal for keeping balance and harmony in the spiritual and social worlds. "One day, some Cherokee children were playing outside, when a rattlesnake crawled out of the grass. They screamed and their mother ran outside. Without thinking, she took a stick and killed it. Her husband was hunting in the mountains. As he was returning home that night, he heard a strange wailing sound. Looking around, he found himself in the midst of a gathering of rattlesnakes, whose mouths were open and crying. "What is the matter," the man asked the snakes. The rattlesnakes responded, "Your wife killed our chief, the Yellow Rattlesnake today. We are preparing to send the Black Rattlesnake to take revenge." The husband immediately accepted their claim and took responsibility for the crime. The rattlesnakes said, "If you speak the truth, you must be ready to make satisfaction." The price they demanded was the life of his wife in sacrifice for that of their chief. Not knowing what else might occur, the man consented. The rattlesnakes told the man that the Black Rattlesnake would follow him home and coil up outside his door. He was to ask his wife to bring him a fresh drink of water from the spring. That was all. When the man reached home, it was very dark. His wife had supper waiting for him. "Please bring me some water," he asked her. She brought him a gourd from the jar, but he refused it. "No," he said. "I would like some fresh water from the spring." His wife took a bowl and stepped outside to get him some fresh water. The man immediately heard her cry. He went outside and found the Black Rattlesnake had bitten her and she was already dying. He stayed with her until she was dead. The Black Rattlesnake then crawled out of the grass. "My tribe is now satisfied," he told the husband. He then taught the man a prayer song. The Black Rattlesnake told him, "When you meet any of us hereafter, sing this song and we will not hurt you. If by accident one of us should bite you, sing this song over the person and he will recover." And the Cherokee have kept this song to this day." We had a strict liability law for any killing. The death created an imbalance which required revenge to restore harmony. The clan of the perpetrator of the homicide was to admit and accept responsibility for the wrongful killing. Then the clan was expected to pay the cost. Blood called for blood. Following this system, the husband sacrificed his wife's life to restore harmony. He did so because that was the law. In following the law, harmony was restored between the rattlesnakes and the humans. To reward the man, the snakes gave the humans a song to protect them and to remind the snakes of their duty to the humans, as well. The Cherokee religion drove the sense of balance, which created a moral system for the human to follow. What drove the revenge system was the sense of balance. When a delict was committed, it created imbalance and tension on the jurisdictional unit. The acceptance of responsibility and paying of the cost restored that balance. Once the balance was restored, the relationship between the jurisdictional units or clans continued as if nothing happened. There were to be no hard feelings expressed between family members of the victim or killer. Balance had been restored and any friction was to end with the restoration of balance. The creation of imbalance was tied to the Cherokee religion. It was believed that the murdered "soul" or ghost would be forced to wander the earth, unable to go to the next world. This created the imbalance. The acceptance of responsibility and the death of the killer or one of his clansmen restored balance by freeing the innocent ghost, allowing him to go to the next world. That is why it did not matter who paid the cost for the delict of the wrongful killing. Any death from the responsible clan would suffice to free the innocent man's ghost from this world. An enemy scalp might suffice as well. In international law, the Cherokee system worked much the same way. If an international delict occurred, then anyone from the that jurisdictional unit, in this case, the foreign nation, would suffice to pay the cost. Taking responsibility for the international delict and paying the cost were exercised in the face of swift vengeance. There was no time for contrition. Thus, interloping settlers took their chances by moving onto Cherokee territory, because they might be called to pay the cost for someone else's actions or the actions of their nation. Cherokees saw it as their responsibility, whether or not the settlers saw it that way. Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the
[Native_American] Best Fish Kill Article (by my cousin)
For the Yurok, salmon is everything Posted: October 04, 2002 - 10:12am EST by: Barry Wayne McCovey Jr. / Technician / Yurok Tribal Fisheries Department I have lived within the Klamath River system my entire life. Im not very old, but Ive witnessed and experienced the river for twenty-four years. The river is an inherent part of me, and the lifeblood of my people. As a Yurok Tribal member and college student in the fisheries field, I spend my days working along the Klamath. The carnage Ive seen over the past week and a half is so utterly grotesque that I cannot sleep at night. I close my eyes and the images of dead, rotting fish envelop me. You may have seen photographs in newspapers or caught a glimpse on the television, but you cannot begin to imagine the smell. This smell of death and decay is impossible to escape. It fills the air and plays with the mind in ways that I could never describe. I cant eat because food, no matter what it is, reminds me of the smell. Perhaps its because the rotting fish represent so much of my peoples food gone to waste. The water levels in the river have never been in such decline. Numerous tribal and non-tribal elders have assured me of this fact. In my lifetime, I have never seen the Klamath so shallow. Over the past month, the lack of water has actually stopped the tribal fisheries program from completing tasks that were routine last year. There is so little water that people are unable to safely travel the river by jet boat or by raft. Ive seen rocks that I didnt know existed protruding from dangerous rapids, making the attempt to count dead and dying fish a risky endeavor. Yet even in its shrunken state the river humbles me and demands my respect. I am fortunate enough to spend time within its grasp and to be able to know and understand the power of the Klamath. For me, nothing is greater. Civilizations will come and go, but the river will remain. This I know. People will try to destroy it, to use it for hydroelectric power, use it to irrigate a desert, use it to get votes and push policies contradictory to natural laws. But the river will survive. All of the sickness and greed in the world cannot stop the river from its flow. In the not so distant future the worlds population will surpass the Earths carrying capacity. People will starve, become infected by disease and suffocate just like that salmon in the Klamath. This insanity will stop, and the river will rise. Unfortunately, the chinook, coho and steelhead salmon will not see the river rise. Just like the wild grizzly and wolf, these fish are being run out of California. Some would argue there isnt a problem because we can just grow new fish in the hatchery system, but that system, like many others in forced management, is flawed. The hatchery system has created fish of unknown origin. It is impossible to tell the difference between a hatchery born fish and native fish without extensive genetic studies. It is estimated that only 10 percent to 25 percent of hatchery chinook are marked for identification, and estimates of the native fish population estimates are very difficult to make. Arguments that dismiss the magnitude and future impact of this fish kill sicken the spirit. It may as well be said that Yurok people could just die off because other native and non-native people could easily replace us and thrive in our traditional homeland. Native fish, not hatchery fish, are the only hope for the future of the species. Without a doubt, the native chinook, coho and steelhead are endangered. Recent fish kill estimates in the Klamath have been conservative, but as many as 30,000 chinook, 600 coho and 1,000 steelhead are likely to be counted among the dead. These numbers may not sound like much unless youve witnessed the putrid, decaying fish kill firsthand. Washington bureaucrats, like Secretary of Interior Gale Norton, need to come to the Klamath and walk along the banks of the river with me. Perhaps a view of the carnage might lead them to see things differently. I personally invite officials from the Bureau of Reclamation and the Department of Interior to come and cut open the bellies of rotten salmon to detect their sex. I invite them to hack off fish tails in an effort to keep them from being recounted. I want them to realize there is no escaping the smell. The Klamath is everything to me. It is my home, church, garden, highway, counselor, friend, brother, and provider. Even in its depleted state, nothing on this planet could equal its beauty and its power. Secretary Norton has a rare opportunity to do something great. She has the power to reverse an incredible injustice. The Yurok people arent asking for all of the water in the Klamath, just enough for our most important resource to survive. Her job is not easy, and her decisions affect peoples livelihoods. But her decisions also affect generations of Yurok, Hupa and Karuk tribal peoples. Another fish kill of this magnitude could bring
Re: [Native_American] For my Cherokee Brothers and Sisters
Thanks Kris! Very interesting. Rhonda - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cherokee Law Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Can you find the Baby?
i see it! i see it lol! Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrCjh.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Jokes
lol lol lol oh my...wiping the tears from my eyes now...thanks for the belly laugh! Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?bUrBZa.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Best Fish Kill Article (by my cousin)
thank you for sending this perspective of the fish that are dying and the effect on the People...this is so sad...it makes me cry...we have been following this in our news letters...this has got to stop...Mother Earth and all her children are being destroyed in the name of greed...if we dont do something soon, SHE will! god, this goes right to my heart...i feel sick... Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Jokes
LMBO!! Oh this is good! Thanks, Rhonda - Original Message - From: andre cramblit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fairytale: ndn style Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] For my Cherokee Brothers and Sisters
you are very welcome rhonda... Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84wUC.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Best Fish Kill Article (by my cousin)
forgot to saydavid and i have been writing letters like mad to the powers that be on this problem...we cant go there to lend our support, but we are there in spirit... Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Apache Creation Story
Good, I thought of him when i got it. It is another one from Blue Panther. He sends quit a few. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 02:43:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] Apache Creation Story oh i like this! i forwarded it to david..he said he subscribed...Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] reply from a friend on New Agers
Kris, this is a letter that I agree with 100%!! Lets be honest here. We all have jobs,at least those who can find them, and we live our lives! We may work on issues but they are on the side most ofthe time. We go to Pow wows to have fun and vistit! we arejust regular folks and sometimes walk a little different path than some others. I get so tired of newagers! LOL..I can spot them a mile away now. didn't always but do now. Now they are with strange ones. OOPPPSS,ok i am oof the box. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 03:41:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Native_American] reply from a friend on New Agers folks...i just came across this in my old mail...this is in NO way meant to be disrespectful to those of you who may be new age etc. it was just a great letter from a friend of mine on a list i used to belong to...i think he is very very frank and its a great post! Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
[Native_American] Native Lore
Anisga ya Tsunsdi - Cherokee"Little Men"Always represented as beneficent wonder-makers of great power.These two sons of Kanati (first man), who are sometimes called "ThunderBoys," live in Usunhi-yi, above the sky vault. They must not be confusedwith the Yunwi Tsunsdi' or Little People, who are also "thunderers," but wholive on the earth and cause the short, sharp claps of thunder.The "Little Men" have reproduced themselves by striking lightening very neara woman, giving birth to a human with the same characteristics as the LittlePeople.There is also the "Great Thunderer," the thunder of the whirlwind, tornadoand hurricane, who seems to be identical with Kanati, himself.The favorite honey locust tree, and the tree with thorns of the samespecies, is the home of the "Thunder-man", indicating to the Cherokee agreat hidden connection between the pinnated leaves of the tree and thelightening. Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
[Native_American] Hello
Ya a teh, Thanks for the welcome and I am David (wlkwcougar) Kris has told me that she told you about me. My heritage is Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache and Isleta and Sandia Pueblo. I hope to get to know you all. Ka dish day shila aash, David Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [Native_American] Hello
O'siyo, David-- So glad to have you hereKris has spoken highly of you to us, so we sorta feel like we already know you in part... g I have an aunt who is 1/2 Apachesad thing is, she wants nothing to do with her Native heritage and gets angry with me when I try to talk to her about growing up on the rez Arizonaor is it New Mexico...don't remember nowbut she's all about living in the white world, has told me there is no redeeming quality to anything Indian, and says she can't understand why I want to live like a savage and know more about my uncle's (her husband) and my father's People and heritage (Cherokee)..says it's stupid. She is very angry and bitter about her identity, her childhood and growing up half-breed, I know that muchwhat little she's told me, she told me through clenched teethI don't ask her anymore questions.if she feels i need to know something, then, I believe she will tell me then. Sorry to post such a negative thing in a welcome post Welcome to the family-- deb three feathers - Original Message - Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:22:58 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hello --part1_10.26d9dbc5.2addfd52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ya a teh, Thanks for the welcome and I am David (wlkwcougar) Kris has told me that she told you about me. My heritage is Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache and Isleta and Sandia Pueblo. I hope to get to know you all. Ka dish day shila aash, David Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] Native Lore
i have heard about the little people...but not little men...this is very interesting! thanks rhonda! Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] reply from a friend on New Agers
rhonda sis...you get up on that ole soap box anytime! i usually dont bother folks about thier beliefs..but those that sell sacred ceremonies and such reaaaly get on my nerves! it is a shame about how many people are searching for a life style or spirituality that they cant get from their churches anymore...says something ennit? someone at a powwow actually asked me if the powwow dancers live in tipi's where they come from...oh my! lol! i had to take a deep breath before i answered...lol! some of the places i write letters to, including the politicians, i remind that indians are actually on the internet now and VERY well informed! gasp! i think it is a surprise to them...i remind them that we are much more influential now and have more power thru knowledge of whats going on, that we CAN make a difference! geeze...time to go dust off my bow and arrow...lol! Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] The Legend of the Corn Beads
i like this! Kris "All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports." Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[Native_American] Pow wow this weekend?
Bill-- Do you know anything about a pow wow on Pinnacle Mt. in LR this coming weekend? I've heard mention of something going on, but not sure exactly of the particulars.jus' wonderin' if you know anything about this deb Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[Native_American] Hello, Barbie
Barbie-- Geez Louisedon't think i ever laid out the welcome mat for you.my apologies on that (and she's the beloved of our list owner to boot!---how ignorant can i be?) LOL Got too many irons in the fire, my hubby says, I can't think straight half the time. Glad you're part of the list family and hope to know you better! deb Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] The Legend of the Corn Beads
Thanks Deb. Good story! Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED].from a sister on another list.debSubject: The Legend of the Corn Beads By Edna Chekelelee Cherokee women wear the legendary necklace made of corn beads. It is a gift from the Great Spirit in the shape of a tear drop. This is the Cherokee legend of the corn beads. In the 1800's during the Trail of Tears, the corn stalks were eight feettall, and corn was twelve to eighteen inches long. The corn stood back and watched as the Indian people were getting pushedand shoved by the white soldiers. And the corn cried and cried.And theteardrop landed on the corn fodder, and the corn dropped down to threefeet tall. That's why it's called teardrop, our mother of corn. These Cherokee women used these teardrops, our mother of corn, to makebeautiful cornbeads, but to me this is sad. But it is a way to remember the Trail of Tears. This is from the book Living Stories of the Cherokee by Barbara R.DuncanDonadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do(Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Hello
deb three feathers, Thanks for the welcome. Mescalero is in New Mexico and the Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache share the reservation. The others are in Arizona, except for the Jicarilla Apache which are in North Central New Mexico. It is a shame that people are ashamed of thier heritage. They are living out of balance. It sounds to me she is living out of balance, which is the cause of her anger. She may have been treated badly when she was young, and unfortunately you cannot walk in her shoes. All we can do is pray to Creator for healing for her. Ka dish day shila aash, David Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Hello
Hi David, nice to meet ya! Welcome to the group. We look forward to hearing more from you and Kris! Rhodna ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Native_American] Hello Ya a teh,Thanks for the welcome and I am David (wlkwcougar) Kris has told me that she told you about me. My heritage is Mescalero and Chiricahua Apache and Isleta and Sandia Pueblo. I hope to get to know you all. Ka dish day shila aash,David Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Native Lore
Glad you enjoyed it! Iwill send more. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 07:46:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] Native Lore i have heard about the little people...but not little men...this is very interesting! thanks rhonda!Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] reply from a friend on New Agers
LOL...Yes nad we even have brains!! We went to school and are doing things! Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] reply from a friend on New Agers rhonda sis...you get up on that ole soap box anytime! i usually dont bother folks about thier beliefs..but those that sell sacred ceremonies and such reaaaly get on my nerves! it is a shame about how many people are searching for a life style or spirituality that they cant get from their churches anymore...says something ennit? someone at a powwow actually asked me if the powwow dancers live in tipi's where they come from...oh my! lol! i had to take a deep breath before i answered...lol! some of the places i write letters to, including the politicians, i remind that indians are actually on the internet now and VERY well informed! gasp! i think it is a surprise to them...i remind them that we are much more influential now and have more power thru knowledge of whats going on, that we CAN make a difference! geeze...time to go dust off my bow and arrow...lol!Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Fw: [ndnchat] Fw:
The punch line didn't come through! Ronni BILL TAYLOR GG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] Fw: [ndnchat] Fw: If you have seen this before, I's sorry
Bill - This is too cute - thanks! And thank you, too, for the article on the Medal of Honor winners and the unbelievably sad Columbus report. That should be read by every single American, beginning in about the first grade. Thanks again. Ronni BILL TAYLOR GG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] Columbus Day
What's sad about this, I think, is that the writer makes some good points - he just makes them stupidly. Ronni "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deb)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] hello
Sure! Go ahead I am here. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:34:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] hello Rhonda, Can I email you privately? Ronni Rhonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Yes, I take orders and make them for the people ordering. Most of the things on the site have been sold . But I can make them again, but a little different. Rhonda - Original Message - From: Ronni Hoessli Rhonda, I've just visited your website - Lord, how talented you are! Do you sell any of your work? Ronni .htmlVisit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Fw: [cherokeencn] Grandmaws Letter ( this is cute)
Naaawww, I'da never guessed it! Ronni BILL TAYLOR GG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Have to laugh... I was something of a brat too sometimes...Bill GG - Original Message - From: Ronni Hoessli To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Native_American] Fw: [cherokeencn] Grandmaws Letter ( this is cute) Bill, I'm an Air Force brat myself - lived all over the world. Glad to meet you! Ronni Teddie Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] Question
Welcome, Barbie! I'm in San Antonio, Texas - but my husband's family live in Cincinnati. Ronni Sally's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hello Barbie I am over in Indiana. Welcome to the board. It has been pretty quite over the summer but it is now getting busy again. Sally - Original Message - From: Wild Horse To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Native_American] Question Barbie You are already a member of the list... Feel free to chime in anytime you feel comfortable Wild Horse - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 08:43 AM Subject: [Native_American] Question Hi, My name is Barbie, I am Indian, live in Ohio, and would love to join your lists. How do I go about being accepted and permitted to join in on discussions and etc. I so appreciate your time and consideration to help me.Sincerely, Barbie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.htmlVisit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.htmlVisit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie
Deb Cool down one of the irons... Barbie isn't the one I am dating... That is Lisa! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 08:20 PM Subject: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie Barbie-- Geez Louisedon't think i ever laid out the welcome mat for you.my apologies on that (and she's the beloved of our list owner to boot!---how ignorant can i be?) LOL Got too many irons in the fire, my hubby says, I can't think straight half the time. Glad you're part of the list family and hope to know you better! deb Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] hello
Oh, Kris - what a wonderful story! I had no idea. Thank you so much for telling me about it. Quite a guy, our David, huh?? Ronni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ronni...david was fostered out when he was a week or two old..he wasnt expected to live because he had so many health problems..he was premature...all thru his life as a foster child, he was sickly...his foster dad refused to adopt him...he told me he never felt comfortable at the dinner table at home...no one looked like him! the Mexican kids in school shunned him, the white kids made fun of him...when he was 27 yrs old his foster mom gave him his baptismal certificate...his birth moms name was on there...to make a long story short, after he found her, he went to see her...she was in the hospital in Wyoming where she had moved, with Lou Gerhings disease..he only had 3 hours with her...she was so happy to see him! she told him she was Apache...they didnt get into his birth dad at all...she was too sick...the next day when he went back to see her, she had died overnight...anyway...thru much research and a lot of hard work, he found her family...they were Chirachua Apache and Isleta Pueblo...he got no help at all from Catholic Charities, or the Social Services system...he did it all on his own...his half brothers knew nothing of their Apache heritage...david has contributed all his info to the family name website and has helped many of his birth family find thier relatives and heritage..he is close to his cousins in New Mexico now, and his Uncle and cousins in Seattle...they really moved around..lol! he has applied to the Isleta Pueblo for enrollment and now the Chirichua/Mescalero nation also...the Chirichua live with the Mescalero on thier rez...last summer he got to go to his cousins home which his great grandfather and great uncles built a hundred years ago...an adobe house...still standing..where his cousin lives...he got to walk in the footsteps of his ancestors on thier land and visit his gg gramma's grave...it was a very spiritual experien! ce for him...Catholic Charities and other government agencies make it very very difficult to find your birth parents and family...Creator guided his footsteps for sure! now he knows who he is...and is so proud of his Ancestors and his heritage..his foster sister has disowned him for finding his heritage...he doesnt care...but it hurt at the time...david was not expected to amount to much...but he fooled them all...he has a Masters degree in Library Science, and two Bacholer degrees, in Geology, and History...he still has many health problems but is very active in Indian issues..he considers himself as Apache/Pueblo, and is so proud of his heritage..he is a real success story in my eyes...to never give up trying to find your relatives! they are waiting and willing to help you if you only ask..Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie
Hi to everyone and thank you for the wonderful welcome. I am hoping too get to know all of you too. Smile often, Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Denver Post: Columbus Day fails to boil
Thanks for this, Kris! Ronni kris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Message from kris: Columbus Day fails to boil Parades, protests equal lots of noise, rhetoric, but violence is absent By Kevin SimpsonDenver Post Staff WriterSunday, October 13, 2002 - A stream ! of Italian-American paraders and an Indian-led coalition of protesters marched to different drumbeats Saturday, but an annually contentious Columbus Day clash produced mostly the revving of rhetoric and motorcycle engines. A nearly 90-minute parade ran a gantlet of vocal demonstrators decrying the celebration of Christopher Columbus, the 15th century explorer they link to a murderous legacy. Protesters lined much of the downtown Denver route, but a massive police presence and strategic barricades kept the confrontation to a war of words. Police arrested only seven protesters, including six for disturbing the peace or disobeying a lawful order. Another had an outstanding warrant. Andrew Hudson, spokesman for Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, said the city's preparations for the dueling events - about 600 officers were on duty, police said - produced the best possible outcome under circumstances that have simmered uncomfortably for years. "It was successful in the sense that the city protected the parade and the rights of the protesters," Hudson said. "It's just unfortunate that it got to this degree. But the air is free from tear gas. That's got to be positive." Both sides claimed a philosophical triumph shortly after the parade's rear guard of motorcyclists representing the Sons of Italy-New Generation roared past Colfax Avenue on Broadway. "The racist parade couldn't escape us," Glenn Morris of the American Indian Movement said as he addressed a post-parade gathering near the state Capitol. "Every step they took, every inch they walked, we were there. What they need to know is every year it's going to be more and more of us. History is not on the side of Columbus and racism, it's not on the side of that kind of hatred." At Rocky Mountain Lake Park in northwest Denver, parade organizer George Vendegnia enjoyed a relaxed celebration and claimed "a very big victory." "We outnumbered them, and I think they were a little surprised about that," Vendegnia said, although police estimates put protesters at 2,000 and paraders at about half that. "Denver PD was on their toes. We got as much protection as any president." Although Vendegnia allowed that some supporters might have been scared away by the threat of conflict, he said he thinks they'll return after seeing how safely the parade unfolded. And he guaranteed that his Sons of Italy group will be back again next year. On a day that began cloudy and cold, protesters converged on the heart of downtown with four separate processions. Tribal elders and chanting drummers led the groups on the Four Directions, All Nations March that culminated at Broadway and Colfax. Aztec dancers flourished colorful, feathered costumes and danced the "Tonantzin," a ritual for unity and peace. The deep thump of more rhythmic drumming and traditional song propelled protesters to the steps of the Capitol, where speakers addressed a wide array of causes. Some lashed out at the colonialism they link to Columbus himself, while others focused on everything from impending war in Iraq to the Palestinian situation to endangered old-growth forests, just a few of the issues they define as the "Columbian legacy." One 22-year-old woman who called herself Xylem, after the woody tissue that draws water into plants, said she'd traveled two days by bus from Oregon, where she volunteers for the Cascadia Forest Alliance. "I'm Italian," she said, "but we can celebrate without celebrating genocide and ecocide." A few blocks away, a stream of limousines, horse-drawn carts, floats and marchers readied for the parade, which was scheduled to begin hours after the Indian procession. "First of all, it's about freedom of speech," said Raffaele Vitale, who emigrated from Italy 32 years ago. "But it's also about my roots, my heritage." The event began without confrontation, but protesters met the parade at 17th and Tremont streets. About a block farther on, a few tried to breach the barricade but were quickly repelled by police. The procession played out to a few groups of well-wishers and persistent verbal volleys from protesters. Some chanted - "Celebrate your pride, not genocide!" - and saw their words met with waves and smiles. A few in the parade fired back at several protesters who had covered their faces with handkerchiefs or ski masks: "Why don't you show your face?" The Italian-American celebration moved along to the snare-drum cadence of Westminster High School's marching band, which belted out a rendition of "Louie, Louie" while a few roving vendors hawked American flags, horns and cotton candy. As the parade approached the main protest area, double-barricades and police in riot gear discouraged any close-range interaction between the two sides.
Re: [Native_American] Question
Ronni, I live about 40 miles southeast of Columbus. The area I live is beautiful country, lots of hills, caves, s many of the wonderful creatures The Creator has blessed us with to learn from and enjoy. I am familiar with the area around Cinn. due to traveling, but have not spent any time there. Cinn. is probably about 3.5 hrs. from me..Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [Native_American] Hiding One's Heritage
Deb, No offense taken! I could tell a few 'stories' myself... Ronni "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deb)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] Hiding one's heritage
I am hoping someone can give me some helpful info. My Gr.Gr. GrandFather was full-blood Cherokee and I have known this for quite some time. "Yes, Cherokee, Not Wannabee" as mentioned in an earlier posting..I am very honored and proud of my heritage. I have even been blessed to find the place where he was placed at the time he Crossed Over. I have not had much good luck finding information about my Gr.Gr.GrandMother (his wife) up to this point. I do know that her family name was Inoky, but have no idea where she was born. I have been told that if I can find out what Nation/Tribe/Peoples this name is I would have better luck at finding out more about her and my family. Is there anyone here who knows anything about this name, Inoky?? Thank you for permitting me to ask this question and to also tell of the "Honor" I feel for the blood that runs in my veins. Sincerely, Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Fw: [cherokeencn] Grandmaws Letter ( this is cute)
Gosh, I didn't think I was younger than anyone! I'll be 53 in February. Ronni Rhonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Gee, am I the baby here? I was 54 in MAy. - Original Message - From: BILL TAYLOR GG Kris... I am 64 andwill be 65 in Feb...LOL... But I am ready, willing and able...still have a few more fights left in me...but mostly I would rather lay on the porch...LOLOL.. Bill GG... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] bill...enjoy your trip to ok! and i am 57..lol! my brother bill, the retired air force brother is 61 now...so you are just a kid!KrisVisit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] Fw: Friend
Bill - ROFLAO!! I have to confess - I feel like this most of the time! Ronni BILL TAYLOR GG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] Hiding one's heritage
Barbie, I going home this week-end, Oklahoma, but when I get back I will look through the Choctaw rolls and see if I can find the name. It still will take me a couple of weeks to get through the entire list. Sally - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Native_American] Hiding one's heritage I am hoping someone can give me some helpful info. My Gr.Gr. GrandFather was full-blood Cherokee and I have known this for quite some time. "Yes, Cherokee, Not Wannabee" as mentioned in an earlier posting..I am very honored and proud of my heritage. I have even been blessed to find the place where he was placed at the time he Crossed Over. I have not had much good luck finding information about my Gr.Gr.GrandMother (his wife) up to this point. I do know that her family name was Inoky, but have no idea where she was born. I have been told that if I can find out what Nation/Tribe/Peoples this name is I would have better luck at finding out more about her and my family. Is there anyone here who knows anything about this name, Inoky?? Thank you for permitting me to ask this question and to also tell of the "Honor" I feel for the blood that runs in my veins.Sincerely, Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^==^= This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^==^=
Re: [Native_American] Hiding One's Heritage
Wow - another great story! Y'all are gonna force me to chime in here... Ronni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb...i loved your letter! and i dont think you are strange at all! let me tell you an experience i had in my back yard in Pa...i worked 2nd shift, so never went to bed before 1 am or so...i had a habit in the summer of sitting outside in my back yard on my swingme and the dog...just to look at the stars and relax...i had just gotten the info about my gg-grandfather marrying an "indian woman..." but no name...i was frustrated and sad...thought i would never find her, and why was i even trying? you know..the "about to give up mode"i was just sitting there and the hair on the back of my neck stood up...my dog perked up her ears and turned around...didnt growl or anything...but was on alert...i turned around and saw three human figures standing there...one was an old man, another a young woman, and another younger man...they were dressed in plain buckskin..no feathers, drums etc. just standing there...i thought maybe i was dreaming...but the dog...she kept looking at them...the old man smiled at me...the woman took one step forward and held out her hand to me...then...they just disappeared...i was ready to run screaming to the house! then a real calm came over me...somehow i knew i didnt have to be afraid...the dog turned around and layed her head in my lap and went to sleep! so if she wasnt alarmed, i thought i didnt have to be either...i started to think about things...that very day, and elder had told me that my ancestors were looking out for me, and to keep on trying to find them...in my heart i knew something wonderful and special had just happened...i feel these were my long ago relatives telling me not to give up...that they were there...and my decision to move to Colorado was the right one...i have never forgotten that...so if you think you are nuts sis, then so am i! lol! i have also seen indian people dancing in the field across f! rom our building...just faded images...i learned that the cheyenne and other tribes used to camp around this area before denver was even built! i dont ever discount what other people hear and see...there are many many things we dont understand...but we must keep an open mind...good for you deb! at least your guests are welcome in your house...they will never harm you!Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] WHEN Cherokees WERE Cherokee
Deb - I didn't get the link. Ronni "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Deb)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie
Barbi, With everything I was doing this weekend, including working the AM shift. I honestly cant remember if I said Hi, and welcome to the list! So.. Hi, and welcome to the list! Lisa --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to everyone and thank you for the wonderful welcome. I am hoping too get to know all of you too. Smile often, Barbie Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] Whoooooooooooo! Wow
John, Since both my dogs are rescues (one - literally - from the gas chamber), your endeavor is close to my heart and I'm so glad you're doing this! I'll go to your website just as soon as I can! Thanks for sharing. Ronni Urhzogg Only one <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Iv'e been been away from checking my mail for a few and whammo, lots,and lots there. It pleases me to see everyone talking. It will take me a day to read all the posts. Perhaps I can get to meet each of you as time goes on. Been busy finishing up my Wife and Daughters web site so they can officialy announce it. Sent out mass mailins last night. I would like to extend the same to this list. Below is the form letter I sent out, your all invited to visit.Urhzogg (john)Special InvitationOn behalf of all inconvenienced animals, My Daughter and I extend a warm welcome to you and invite you to PREVIEW our most enriching endeavor, ADOPT A PET A.S.A.P. the Flagship of our purpose and goals as Pet Rescuers.Our primary commitment will be twofold:Through our web site we hope to Educate, Enhance and Improve Accessibility to the Public and Increase the Adoption Rate through out our local and Internet community.Also we envision being a vital core where Local and Internet Rescuers can converge and exchange Idea's and communicate about local issues in their area.An example in our community is the Feral Cat T-N-R issue regarding county funding.We hope your visit will at the least invigorate your goals and aspirations or possibly Inspire you to become a member and help form a unique bond among Rescuers, Fosters and Animal Caregivers.Thank you very much Our warmest regards Laura and Victoria Daniels www.msnusers.com/adoptapetasap Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
[Native_American] LISA not Barbie...LISA not Barble... gotta remember that......
Wild Horse-- Yikes! You used FIVE exclamation marks...you must be really toasted. At least I don't do an oops half-waywhen i do one, it's a doozy.gulp uhhsorry 'bout that WH, Lisa, Barbie.. Hey, I'd love to _freeze_ some of the irons!! But, for the time being, looks like i'm gona have to just be mindful of juggling a bit more carefully, it seemsg my most humble apologies-- deb - Original Message - Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:11:06 -0600 From: Wild Horse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie Deb Cool down one of the irons... Barbie isn't the one I am dating... That is Lisa! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 08:20 PM Subject: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie Barbie-- Geez Louisedon't think i ever laid out the welcome mat for you.my apologies on that (and she's the beloved of our list owner to boot!---how ignorant can i be?) LOL Got too many irons in the fire, my hubby says, I can't think straight half the time. Glad you're part of the list family and hope to know you better deb Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [Native_American] Fish Equals Life (Tragedy)
Me, too. I have good friends who live in the area - it's all so sad! Ronni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is a lot of info here! i am interested in this and have been following it in the news...thanks!Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
[Native_American] Ronni, here's the link
Ronni-- Here's that link that didn't go thru. deb WHEN Cherokees WERE Cherokee http://www.angelfire.com/ok4/oukah7 Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] LISA not Barbie...LISA not Barble... gotta remember that..
The exclamation points mean Lisa is very pretty girl! No toast involved hm Toast sounds good! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: [Native_American] LISA not Barbie...LISA not Barble... gotta remember that.. Wild Horse-- Yikes! You used FIVE exclamation marks...you must be really toasted. At least I don't do an oops half-waywhen i do one, it's a doozy.gulp uhhsorry 'bout that WH, Lisa, Barbie.. Hey, I'd love to _freeze_ some of the irons!! But, for the time being, looks like i'm gona have to just be mindful of juggling a bit more carefully, it seemsg my most humble apologies-- deb - Original Message - Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:11:06 -0600 From: Wild Horse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie Deb Cool down one of the irons... Barbie isn't the one I am dating... That is Lisa! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 08:20 PM Subject: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie Barbie-- Geez Louisedon't think i ever laid out the welcome mat for you.my apologies on that (and she's the beloved of our list owner to boot!---how ignorant can i be?) LOL Got too many irons in the fire, my hubby says, I can't think straight half the time. Glad you're part of the list family and hope to know you better deb Donadaghovi AiSv Nv wa do hi ya do (Til next we meet, Walk in Peace) -- -- -- Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [Native_American] Powwow Affair
Rhonda - The whole idea is ridiculous! Ronni Rhonda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Yes, unlees the Gov. gets it's way and we have to be 50%!! Most here may still count but not me. But then nothing would be changed, would it. Then again most are mixed now so they would be losing a lot of people. But they are also talking about double registration! People wouldbe in more than one tribe. Now that is rediculous!!! Rhonda - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rhonda..you are welcome..it is good in this day and age to know our People are returning to their roots...of all Nations..Kris"All things share the same breath..the beast, the tree, the man; the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports."Chief Seattle Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html
Re: [Native_American] Hello, Barbie
Hello Barbie from one newbie to another. Ka dish day shila aash, David Visit and show your support for the Grass Roots Oyate http://members.tripod.com/GrassRootsOyate Clemency for Leonard Peltier. Sign the Petition. http://petitiononline.com/Release/petition.html ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddNB.b2HgmN Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
