Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Dylan Distasio]

Looks great, and thanks for offering the circuit boards.  I have a set of
reels I picked up, and would love to have a kit for the rest.

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 2:37 PM Michail Wilson  wrote:

> Thought I would share….
>
>
>
> Some pictures of the clock as a completed prototype….
>
> https://imgur.com/a/YYnGS0g
>
>
>
> The final case will be of a scale pinball machine head.
>
>
>
> Working on the sleep feature now  (no need to listen to it throughout the
> night).
>
>
>
> I’ll make the circuit boards available on www.pinballclock.com when I get
> time.  (Put up a super basic site just to start it.  Will make it as close
> to cost as possible.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mac Doktor
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:02 PM
> *To:* via neonixie-l
> *Subject:* Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock
>
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>
>
>
> On May 28, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:
>
>
>
> Tempest is awesome!  It's also a loud game with sounds it made like
> rockets firing before you flew into the tunnel after winning a round.  It
> was unique too almost a flashback to the pong days having a rotary
> controller but dang the game play was good.  Classic vector graphics
> similar to asteroids but in color not black & white!
>
>
>
> Tempest was the best of their color vector games. Unfortunately, the
> proprietary Atari monitors had an alarming tendency to burn up their HV
> power supplies. Atari charged a fortune for replacements. Fortunately,
> Wells-Gardner made a serviceable monitor that was a drop-in replacement.
>
>
>
> BTW, the tunnels, tubes, wells—whatever people called them—are "holes".
> You have to read the service manual to find that out.
>
>
>
> And why they didn't use ball bearings on the rotary controller I have no
> idea.
>
>
>
>
>
> Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
> "The Mac Doctor"
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RE: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Michail Wilson]

Thought I would share….

 

Some pictures of the clock as a completed prototype….

https://imgur.com/a/YYnGS0g

 

The final case will be of a scale pinball machine head.

 

Working on the sleep feature now  (no need to listen to it throughout the 
night).

 

I’ll make the circuit boards available on www.pinballclock.com when I get time. 
 (Put up a super basic site just to start it.  Will make it as close to cost as 
possible.)

 

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mac Doktor
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:02 PM
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On May 28, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:

 

Tempest is awesome!  It's also a loud game with sounds it made like rockets 
firing before you flew into the tunnel after winning a round.  It was unique 
too almost a flashback to the pong days having a rotary controller but dang the 
game play was good.  Classic vector graphics similar to asteroids but in color 
not black & white!

 

Tempest was the best of their color vector games. Unfortunately, the 
proprietary Atari monitors had an alarming tendency to burn up their HV power 
supplies. Atari charged a fortune for replacements. Fortunately, Wells-Gardner 
made a serviceable monitor that was a drop-in replacement.

 

BTW, the tunnels, tubes, wells—whatever people called them—are "holes". You 
have to read the service manual to find that out.

 

And why they didn't use ball bearings on the rotary controller I have no idea.

 

 

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor" 

 

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RE: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Michail Wilson]

This is the stage the clock is in as of a little past noon today.

 

https://youtu.be/0VA9F36EmKU

 

 

Michail 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 6:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

 

 

On May 28, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Bill Notfaded  wrote:

 

Tempest is awesome!  It's also a loud game with sounds it made like rockets 
firing before you flew into the tunnel after winning a round.  It was unique 
too almost a flashback to the pong days having a rotary controller but dang the 
game play was good.  Classic vector graphics similar to asteroids but in color 
not black & white!

 

Tempest was the best of their color vector games. Unfortunately, the 
proprietary Atari monitors had an alarming tendency to burn up their HV power 
supplies. Atari charged a fortune for replacements. Fortunately, Wells-Gardner 
made a serviceable monitor that was a drop-in replacement.

 

BTW, the tunnels, tubes, wells—whatever people called them—are "holes". You 
have to read the service manual to find that out.

 

And why they didn't use ball bearings on the rotary controller I have no idea.

 

 

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor" 

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

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> On May 28, 2019, at 6:23 PM, Bill Notfaded  > wrote:
> 
> Tempest is awesome!  It's also a loud game with sounds it made like rockets 
> firing before you flew into the tunnel after winning a round.  It was unique 
> too almost a flashback to the pong days having a rotary controller but dang 
> the game play was good.  Classic vector graphics similar to asteroids but in 
> color not black & white!

Tempest was the best of their color vector games. Unfortunately, the 
proprietary Atari monitors had an alarming tendency to burn up their HV power 
supplies. Atari charged a fortune for replacements. Fortunately, Wells-Gardner 
made a serviceable monitor that was a drop-in replacement.

BTW, the tunnels, tubes, wells—whatever people called them—are "holes". You 
have to read the service manual to find that out.

And why they didn't use ball bearings on the rotary controller I have no idea.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Bill Notfaded]

Tempest is awesome!  It's also a loud game with sounds it made like rockets
firing before you flew into the tunnel after winning a round.  It was
unique too almost a flashback to the pong days having a rotary controller
but dang the game play was good.  Classic vector graphics similar to
asteroids but in color not black & white!

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

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> On May 28, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Bill Notfaded  > wrote:
> 
> It's kinda weird for me to imagine all the kids these days that don't know 
> any of that stuff... I remember the knocker pop... it was loud and everyone 
> could hear it when it happened.

And when you beat the highest score it knocked three times.


>   I don't remember dime machines but I sure remember the quarter and later 
> token machines.

When I was a kid old machines with only three reels and tiny flippers were 
still in service and I remember playing them at the skating rink (Magic Town 
comes to mind). When the Susan B. Anthony coin came out you got five plays for 
a dollar. I still prefer the tables with longer flippers from the early '70s to 
the early '80s.

You don't realize how big and loud a pinball machine is until you have one in 
your home. I had several at one point as well as an Atari Tempest, the best 
video game of all time IMHO. I still have the Tempest but it's out in the shed 
now. There's no room for it in here and I have a buyer lined up.

Another one of the joys of ownership is having the glass shatter. The glass is 
tempered so you can hit it with a five pound sledge and it'll just bounce off. 
BUT bump up against the edge and it will crumble into pebbles of glass. I 
watched two friends pull the glass out once and by the time I yelled "stop!" it 
was too late. They banged it right into a basement column and stood there with 
hands full of glass fragments.


Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
"The Mac Doctor"

Q: Should car stereo speakers be pointed to the rear for more thrust or up for 
more traction?

A. On long trips, the 20- to 30% improvement in gas mileage you might get with 
speakers pointing to the rear is certainly worthwhile. On the other hand, if 
you drive on snow or ice, the extra traction of speakers pointing upward gives 
you added control.

Don Lancaster

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RE: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Michail Wilson]

Thanks.

 

GF ordered to boards from Elektor as well.

Just got the BOM list from her.  So, we will see.  J

 

Was hoping to see your’s running.  J

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Shaun Merrigan
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 12:43 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
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Michail,

 

I secured a couple of reels, built a little circuit to test them and ordered 
all the other parts. The reels work, but they will need some mechanical 
restoration. Then, while waiting for the boards from Elektor, I got started 
restoring a Hickok 209A VTVM which I am still working on..

 

That is where it stands now

 

Shaun M.

Sent from my iPad6

 

No Regret

 


On May 25, 2019, at 13:29, Michail Wilson  wrote:

Shaun,

 

Did you get this project done?

 

Strangely, my GF thought about this type of clock and found links online.  I 
just searched my email on it and found this posting from you for the same 
thing.  We purchased 8 reel on ebay.  And, we found a pinball guy on craigslist 
and just picked up 30 more reels.   So, looks like I will be building a few as 
well.  I have no idea why I picked up so many reels as we will not make that 
many clocks.

 

Michail 

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Shaun Merrigan
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:05 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

 

Just saw an interesting a article about building a 4 digit clock using 
electro-mechanical score reels from pinball machines:

 

https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/88/42431

 

Video here:

 

https://youtu.be/lQL2Vk1Hj-o

 

I will be building this one.

 

Shaun M

 

Sent from my iPad6

 

No Regret

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Shaun Merrigan]

Michail,

I secured a couple of reels, built a little circuit to test them and ordered 
all the other parts. The reels work, but they will need some mechanical 
restoration. Then, while waiting for the boards from Elektor, I got started 
restoring a Hickok 209A VTVM which I am still working on..

That is where it stands now

Shaun M.

Sent from my iPad6

No Regret


> On May 25, 2019, at 13:29, Michail Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Shaun,
>  
> Did you get this project done?
>  
> Strangely, my GF thought about this type of clock and found links online.  I 
> just searched my email on it and found this posting from you for the same 
> thing.  We purchased 8 reel on ebay.  And, we found a pinball guy on 
> craigslist and just picked up 30 more reels.   So, looks like I will be 
> building a few as well.  I have no idea why I picked up so many reels as we 
> will not make that many clocks.
>  
> Michail
>  
> From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shaun Merrigan
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:05 PM
> To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock
>  
> Just saw an interesting a article about building a 4 digit clock using 
> electro-mechanical score reels from pinball machines:
>  
> https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/88/42431
>  
> Video here:
>  
> https://youtu.be/lQL2Vk1Hj-o
>  
> I will be building this one.
>  
> Shaun M
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPad6
>  
> No Regret
>  
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RE: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Michail Wilson]

Shaun,

 

Did you get this project done?

 

Strangely, my GF thought about this type of clock and found links online.  I 
just searched my email on it and found this posting from you for the same 
thing.  We purchased 8 reel on ebay.  And, we found a pinball guy on craigslist 
and just picked up 30 more reels.   So, looks like I will be building a few as 
well.  I have no idea why I picked up so many reels as we will not make that 
many clocks.

 

Michail 

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Shaun Merrigan
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 8:05 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

 

Just saw an interesting a article about building a 4 digit clock using 
electro-mechanical score reels from pinball machines:

 

https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/88/42431

 

Video here:

 

https://youtu.be/lQL2Vk1Hj-o

 

I will be building this one.

 

Shaun M

 

Sent from my iPad6

 

No Regret

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

['Ian' via neonixie-l]

Gotta love that pin table

> On 20 Feb 2019, at 08:51, petehand  wrote:
> 
> Most pinball score reels are 10 position, but Bally made one that is 12 
> position, part number CD-29-1600. Those would come in very handy for the  
> hour and 10's minute indicators. They're very hard to find. They were used as 
> payout multipliers on multi-coin slot machines, since they were able to 
> divide by 3 4 and 6, while 2 and 5 were handled by conventional 10 step 
> counters. You occasionally find them on Ebay. They were used in the Bally EM 
> slot machines and sometimes you can buy them from scrapped machines. The 
> wheel is completely blank so you would have to make a strip for it.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[petehand]

Most pinball score reels are 10 position, but Bally made one that is 12 
position, part number CD-29-1600. Those would come in very handy for the  
hour and 10's minute indicators. They're very hard to find. They were used 
as payout multipliers on multi-coin slot machines, since they were able to 
divide by 3 4 and 6, while 2 and 5 were handled by conventional 10 step 
counters. You occasionally find them on Ebay. They were used in the Bally 
EM slot machines and sometimes you can buy them from scrapped machines. The 
wheel is completely blank so you would have to make a strip for it.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Nicholas Stock]

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing John!

Nick

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> On Feb 19, 2019, at 13:57, John Smout  wrote:
> 
> Advice for the prurient: if you choose to be offended by gratuitous innuendo, 
> then please find a safe place somewhere else that is within your comfort zone.
> 
> I was telephoned today by a well-known pinball afficionado. En passant, he 
> asked if I’d seen an Elektor article concerning a clock made from old 
> electromechanical pinball displays. I was able to say that this forum had 
> already educated me on just such a topic.
> 
> I am advised by the above individual that decagon reels were remade by Stern 
> for a game called ‘Whoa Nellie’. My informant tells me he was instrumental in 
> the design of this game, which was sold as an ‘art’ object, in an edition of 
> 4. These sold for around $10,000 dollars each. Cheap for art, considering the 
> work involved.
> 
> Stern later decided to buy the rights to this 'oh so fruity' machine and it 
> was manufactured commercially. It was disliked by operators, however, not 
> because of its salacious overtones, but because it was supported on imitation 
> fruit packaging crates, rather than the conventional four legs. It didn’t 
> really look like a pinball should.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So, would-be builders of an Elektor decagon reel clock might buy new reel 
> assemblies that were remade for this game, and also for one or two others. 
> Expect costs to be in the $200-$300 region though.
> 
> My informant’s name is cryptically displayed on the playfield above.
> 
> John S
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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Mark Moulding]

I built a clock using those pinball reels, but (for the reason the Mr. 
Smout mentioned, I didn't use the original electro-mechanical drivers 
(although I had them).  Instead, I mounted each reel on a stepper motor, 
and drove each stepper with a little 8051-based controller - six of them in 
total.  I connected them all on a primitive one-directional network (along 
with a couple of other devices), and ran them all from the serial port of 
an Arduino.  This worked very well, and was virtually silent.  The motors 
never seemed to miss a step, but in case they did I had a flag and an 
opto-interrupter at the zero position, so each digit would verify and if 
necessary re-calibrate every time it displayed a zero (also at power-up, of 
course).
~~
Mark Moulding

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 12:10:08 AM UTC-8, Nixcited delighted wrote:
>
> You really won’t want to hear one of these clocks clattering away in your 
> home for too long. I had a house that was detached from my neighbo(u)r and 
> they asked me if I was using an old typewriter.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[John Smout]

You really won’t want to hear one of these clocks clattering away in your home 
for too long. I had a house that was detached from my neighbo(u)r and they 
asked me if I was using an old typewriter.

The correct term in pinball circles for these electromechanical devices are 
decagon reels. Some early ones were indeed faceted into a ten flat segmented 
drum rather than the later circular ones. The video seems to show a standard 
set of Gottlieb decagons.

The reels themselves have a switch that is open at zero and a switch that 
closes at nine, so the next pulse can clock the next reel along. The open at 
zero switches allowed resetting of reels to zero at the start of a game, they 
simply kept being pulsed until a line through all three or four reels opened. A 
common fault on pinballs is the reels pulsing continually because one switch 
doesn’t open at zero.

A set of additional relays was usually employed between the point-scoring 
playfield game features and the reels, one per reel. These pulsed the bells or 
chimes and also the score reels, which in turn broke the cicuit back to the 
relay driving it, ensuring a single pulse. If a ball had stuck on a switch 
somewhere and was still sitting on it, a continuous pulse usually meant you had 
only a few minutes before the decagon coil burned out.

As for where you get them, most pinball enthusiasts have a few old reels from 
scrapped machines. Rarely, if ever, were whole reels or assemblies replaced, 
because all the parts can be replaced individually. Most parts are still 
available from Steve Young in the US through http://www.pbresource.com/ 
.

French Rally pinballs used similar steppers, but wipers selected the cathodes 
on nixie tubes. Nixies were never used in US pinball machines.



John S

> On 18 Feb 2019, at 07:32, Tom Harris  wrote:
> 
> Where do you get the displays from?  They appear rarer than the more exotic 
> Nixie's. 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 3:05 p.m. Shaun Merrigan   wrote:
> Just saw an interesting a article about building a 4 digit clock using 
> electro-mechanical score reels from pinball machines:
> 
> https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/88/42431 
> 
> 
> Video here:
> 
> https://youtu.be/lQL2Vk1Hj-o 
> 
> I will be building this one.
> 
> Shaun M

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Re: [neonixie-l] Pinball score reel clock

[Tom Harris]

Where do you get the displays from?  They appear rarer than the more exotic
Nixie's.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 3:05 p.m. Shaun Merrigan  Just saw an interesting a article about building a 4 digit clock using
> electro-mechanical score reels from pinball machines:
>
> https://www.elektormagazine.com/magazine/88/42431
>
> Video here:
>
> https://youtu.be/lQL2Vk1Hj-o
>
> I will be building this one.
>
> Shaun M
>
>
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