Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Neonixie Spam Messages

2023-04-09 Thread Adrian Godwin 
There is a suggestion that google are placing more and more stringent
requirements on email senders in order to push users onto a small number of
providers such as google themselves and make it more difficult to run your
own mailservers.

I did see a number of mails from mailing lists in the spam folder, and
marked them 'not spam'. I'm not seeing many at the moment, just a lot of
'offers' which very clearly ARE spam.

If you see non-spam there, look to see where it's come from.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 7:04 PM Audrey  wrote:

> For more*
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 2:04 PM Audrey  wrote:
>
>> Or maybe it's just the recent widespread access to GPT models allowing
>> forore convincing spam...
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 1:57 PM Robert G. Schaffrath <
>> robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think it is just Group but with Google overall. I use Gmail and
>>> I noticed a large uptick in legitimate messages appearing in the SPAM
>>> folder. I used to have to check it once every two days or so but now it is
>>> flagging many things I consider innocuous. As some others posts have noted,
>>> there is an election coming up...
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 4:16:28 AM UTC-4 Grahame wrote:
>>>
 Hi

 Just the one pending this morning..

 No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts
 in the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to
 bypass sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.

 As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam
 delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem for
 now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is they
 delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending folder
 for the moderators to approve.

 I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a
 reason why posts are being moved to pending.

 Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
 On 07/04/2023 04:52, Terry S wrote:

 Welcome to Google's new AI system. But don't worry, AI is harmless.

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-5 Moses wrote:

> Grahame,
>
> Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started the
> habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because of this. You
> can see this in several threads.. a message is replaced by "Message has
> been deleted"
> It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct
> about a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted as well.
>
> I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the next
> day and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active moderator,
> computer or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying, especially when you
> don't know what triggered it.
>
> Regards,
> -Moses
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:49:42 AM UTC-7 Grahame wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and
>> putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or
>> two
>> a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released
>> three
>> messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one
>> message
>> that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I
>> have
>> set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group
>> webpage.
>>
>> I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
>> release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with
>> any
>> particular posting.
>>
>> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
>>
>> Moderators
>>
>> --
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
 Groups "neonixie-l" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
 an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com.

 To view this discussion on the web, visit
 https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9c3acc0e-3aa6-4322-a585-df8ab00787f1n%40googlegroups.com
 
 .

 --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups "neonixie-l" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>> an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ec70905d-a823-4e5d-9e61-2bb229893c7an%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Neonixie Spam Messages

2023-04-08 Thread Audrey 
For more*

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 2:04 PM Audrey  wrote:

> Or maybe it's just the recent widespread access to GPT models allowing
> forore convincing spam...
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 1:57 PM Robert G. Schaffrath <
> robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think it is just Group but with Google overall. I use Gmail and I
>> noticed a large uptick in legitimate messages appearing in the SPAM folder.
>> I used to have to check it once every two days or so but now it is flagging
>> many things I consider innocuous. As some others posts have noted, there is
>> an election coming up...
>>
>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 4:16:28 AM UTC-4 Grahame wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Just the one pending this morning..
>>>
>>> No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts in
>>> the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to bypass
>>> sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.
>>>
>>> As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam
>>> delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem for
>>> now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is they
>>> delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending folder
>>> for the moderators to approve.
>>>
>>> I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a reason
>>> why posts are being moved to pending.
>>>
>>> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
>>> On 07/04/2023 04:52, Terry S wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome to Google's new AI system. But don't worry, AI is harmless.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-5 Moses wrote:
>>>
 Grahame,

 Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started the
 habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because of this. You
 can see this in several threads.. a message is replaced by "Message has
 been deleted"
 It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct
 about a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted as well.

 I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the next day
 and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active moderator, computer
 or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying, especially when you don't know
 what triggered it.

 Regards,
 -Moses

 On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:49:42 AM UTC-7 Grahame wrote:

> Hi All
>
> For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and
> putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or
> two
> a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released
> three
> messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one
> message
> that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I
> have
> set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group
> webpage.
>
> I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
> release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with
> any
> particular posting.
>
> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
>
> Moderators
>
> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups "neonixie-l" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
>>> an email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com.
>>>
>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9c3acc0e-3aa6-4322-a585-df8ab00787f1n%40googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "neonixie-l" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To view this discussion on the web, visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ec70905d-a823-4e5d-9e61-2bb229893c7an%40googlegroups.com
>> 
>> .
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"neonixie-l" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAPDJQ6C6xWH8YAqHZ%3DE25abNPJCccCrzQ1xc7b0y7wgtn67LhA%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Neonixie Spam Messages

2023-04-08 Thread Audrey 
Or maybe it's just the recent widespread access to GPT models allowing
forore convincing spam...

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 1:57 PM Robert G. Schaffrath <
robert.schaffr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think it is just Group but with Google overall. I use Gmail and I
> noticed a large uptick in legitimate messages appearing in the SPAM folder.
> I used to have to check it once every two days or so but now it is flagging
> many things I consider innocuous. As some others posts have noted, there is
> an election coming up...
>
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 4:16:28 AM UTC-4 Grahame wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Just the one pending this morning..
>>
>> No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts in
>> the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to bypass
>> sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.
>>
>> As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam
>> delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem for
>> now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is they
>> delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending folder
>> for the moderators to approve.
>>
>> I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a reason
>> why posts are being moved to pending.
>>
>> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
>> On 07/04/2023 04:52, Terry S wrote:
>>
>> Welcome to Google's new AI system. But don't worry, AI is harmless.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-5 Moses wrote:
>>
>>> Grahame,
>>>
>>> Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started the
>>> habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because of this. You
>>> can see this in several threads.. a message is replaced by "Message has
>>> been deleted"
>>> It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct about
>>> a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted as well.
>>>
>>> I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the next day
>>> and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active moderator, computer
>>> or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying, especially when you don't know
>>> what triggered it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -Moses
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:49:42 AM UTC-7 Grahame wrote:
>>>
 Hi All

 For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and
 putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or
 two
 a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released
 three
 messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one
 message
 that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I have
 set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group
 webpage.

 I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
 release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with
 any
 particular posting.

 Grahame (and Nick and Nick)

 Moderators

 --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "neonixie-l" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>> email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com.
>>
>> To view this discussion on the web, visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9c3acc0e-3aa6-4322-a585-df8ab00787f1n%40googlegroups.com
>> 
>> .
>>
>> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "neonixie-l" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To view this discussion on the web, visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ec70905d-a823-4e5d-9e61-2bb229893c7an%40googlegroups.com
> 
> .
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"neonixie-l" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/CAPDJQ6CF3oXVSWFY-jy3ip_Y_pN3x4Cq%3Djj0DNyEhCvbYDB1sw%40mail.gmail.com.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Neonixie Spam Messages

2023-04-08 Thread Robert G. Schaffrath 
I don't think it is just Group but with Google overall. I use Gmail and I 
noticed a large uptick in legitimate messages appearing in the SPAM folder. 
I used to have to check it once every two days or so but now it is flagging 
many things I consider innocuous. As some others posts have noted, there is 
an election coming up...

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 4:16:28 AM UTC-4 Grahame wrote:

> Hi
>
> Just the one pending this morning..
>
> No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts in 
> the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to bypass 
> sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.
>
> As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam 
> delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem for 
> now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is they 
> delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending folder 
> for the moderators to approve.
>
> I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a reason 
> why posts are being moved to pending.
>
> Grahame (and Nick and Nick)
> On 07/04/2023 04:52, Terry S wrote:
>
> Welcome to Google's new AI system. But don't worry, AI is harmless.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-5 Moses wrote:
>
>> Grahame, 
>>
>> Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started the 
>> habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because of this. You 
>> can see this in several threads.. a message is replaced by "Message has 
>> been deleted"
>> It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct about 
>> a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted as well.
>>
>> I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the next day 
>> and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active moderator, computer 
>> or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying, especially when you don't know 
>> what triggered it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Moses
>>
>> On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:49:42 AM UTC-7 Grahame wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All 
>>>
>>> For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as spam and 
>>> putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have one or two 
>>> a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just released three 
>>> messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least one message 
>>> that had been pending came through by email to me, the selection I have 
>>> set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on the group 
>>> webpage. 
>>>
>>> I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to 
>>> release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a problem with any 
>>> particular posting. 
>>>
>>> Grahame (and Nick and Nick) 
>>>
>>> Moderators 
>>>
>>> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "neonixie-l" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to neonixie-l+...@googlegroups.com.
>
> To view this discussion on the web, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9c3acc0e-3aa6-4322-a585-df8ab00787f1n%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
> .
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"neonixie-l" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ec70905d-a823-4e5d-9e61-2bb229893c7an%40googlegroups.com.

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Neonixie Spam Messages

2023-04-07 Thread 'Grahame' via neonixie-l 

Hi

Just the one pending this morning..

No overly eager moderator - my memory is that we have deleted 4 posts in 
the last couple of years - two from a Russian tube seller seeking to 
bypass sanctions and two from someone advertising gold.


As Nick said, there doesn't appear to be any moderator controls on spam 
delete/pending so we are just going to have to live with this problem 
for now. I appears there are two levels of control by google - one is 
they delete the message outright - the second is it goes into a pending 
folder for the moderators to approve.


I will watch the post contents more closely and see if there is a reason 
why posts are being moved to pending.


Grahame (and Nick and Nick)

On 07/04/2023 04:52, Terry S wrote:

Welcome to Google's new AI system. But don't worry, AI is harmless.

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-5 Moses wrote:

Grahame,

Last several months some of my posts are just deleted.. I started
the habit of copy pasting them to notepad before posting because
of this. You can see this in several threads.. a message is
replaced by "Message has been deleted"
It's not just me either, as I've had folks sent me an email direct
about a topic and stating that their posted messages were deleted
as well.

I can't figure it out, as I have reposted the same message the
next day and it is fine. I just figured it was an overly active
moderator, computer or otherwise. Either way, a bit annoying,
especially when you don't know what triggered it.

Regards,
-Moses

On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 6:49:42 AM UTC-7 Grahame wrote:

Hi All

For some reason Google is identifying a lot more messages as
spam and
putting them in the moderator's pending folder. We might have
one or two
a month but more recently it can be several a day. I just
released three
messages from yesterday. Another odd thing, is that at least
one message
that had been pending came through by email to me, the
selection I have
set for myself, but then it doesn't appear in the thread on
the group
webpage.

I am trying to remember to look at the pending folder everyday to
release held messages. Please PM me if you are seeing a
problem with any
particular posting.

Grahame (and Nick and Nick)

Moderators

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
Groups "neonixie-l" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
an email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/9c3acc0e-3aa6-4322-a585-df8ab00787f1n%40googlegroups.com 
.


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"neonixie-l" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit 
https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/neonixie-l/ce7dc6a0-8de5-83bf-3951-84ec831e99a6%40googlemail.com.