Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-23 Thread Bill Notfaded 
Looks good the final outcome!

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-23 Thread Bill Notfaded 
I thought the same thing until I discovered metcal soldering stations.  I love 
my MX5000.

Bill

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread martin martin 
Looks great!

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 14:53 Kevin A. 
wrote:

> And it lives! Definitely a fun kit to build, and highly recommended.
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 2:05 PM Kevin A. 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes I did send an email to PV detailing my concerns. I am currently
>> underway with the rest of the build and it is progressing smoothly. I have
>> no doubt that it will be another great nixie clock to enjoy for many years.
>>
>> My intention here was to encourage others to double check their kits
>> before proceeding with the build. It is much easier to spot and fix this
>> before populating other components.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:51 PM jwalton.mn  wrote:
>>
>>> I hope that you contacted PV about the issue prior to posting here.
>>> Pete has been a long member of the community and has produced well
>>> respected product for years. I would think that he'd appreciate direct
>>> feedback if something that is not up to par gets out to a customer.
>>>
>>> Anyone that is making an honest living based on good service and a
>>> quality product will probably go out of their way to fix the issue AND the
>>> cause.  But they need to hear about it directly.  If they just dismiss you,
>>> then post away!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Nicholas Stock 
>>> Date: 7/20/19 10:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution
>>>
>>> I just checked my elite boards and there are no bridges, so chalk this
>>> one up to an erroneous solder job.
>>>
>>> The number of people who can adeptly do fine pitch SMD work pales in
>>> comparison to those that can adequately solder through hole.i’m sure
>>> Pete does not want to deal with the inevitable messes some people will make
>>> with these.just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 08:17, Kevin A. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nick,
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, there are no two adjacent circuits that should be
>>> bridged on an HV series serial to parallel converter. I've implemented this
>>> chip in several of my own designs.
>>>
>>> (Unless its a bodge fix for a board layout error, in which case the
>>> board should be fixed before being sold as a working product)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM Nicholas Stock 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the
>>>> assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable
>>>> to solder and would be a good learning experience.*
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he
>>>> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working
>>>> with SMD components*. *I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens
>>>> on eBay. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A. 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous.
>>>>
>>>> I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I
>>>> think I did an alright job (see attached).
>>>>
>>>> I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make
>>>> these chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux,
>>>> it should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers
>>>>> loop) the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little
>>>>> questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux
>>>>> pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board
>>>>> manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or
>>>>> find another source.
>>>>> 
&g

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread Kevin A. 
Yes I did send an email to PV detailing my concerns. I am currently
underway with the rest of the build and it is progressing smoothly. I have
no doubt that it will be another great nixie clock to enjoy for many years.

My intention here was to encourage others to double check their kits before
proceeding with the build. It is much easier to spot and fix this before
populating other components.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 1:51 PM jwalton.mn  wrote:

> I hope that you contacted PV about the issue prior to posting here.  Pete
> has been a long member of the community and has produced well respected
> product for years. I would think that he'd appreciate direct feedback if
> something that is not up to par gets out to a customer.
>
> Anyone that is making an honest living based on good service and a quality
> product will probably go out of their way to fix the issue AND the cause.
> But they need to hear about it directly.  If they just dismiss you, then
> post away!
>
> Jeff
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Nicholas Stock 
> Date: 7/20/19 10:58 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution
>
> I just checked my elite boards and there are no bridges, so chalk this one
> up to an erroneous solder job.
>
> The number of people who can adeptly do fine pitch SMD work pales in
> comparison to those that can adequately solder through hole.i’m sure
> Pete does not want to deal with the inevitable messes some people will make
> with these.just my 2 cents.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2019, at 08:17, Kevin A.  wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> As far as I can tell, there are no two adjacent circuits that should be
> bridged on an HV series serial to parallel converter. I've implemented this
> chip in several of my own designs.
>
> (Unless its a bodge fix for a board layout error, in which case the board
> should be fixed before being sold as a working product)
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM Nicholas Stock 
> wrote:
>
>> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing
>> it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> *If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the
>> assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable
>> to solder and would be a good learning experience.*
>>
>> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he
>> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working
>> with SMD components*. *I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens
>> on eBay. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A. 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous.
>>
>> I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I
>> think I did an alright job (see attached).
>>
>> I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make
>> these chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux,
>> it should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers
>>> loop) the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little
>>> questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux
>>> pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board
>>> manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or
>>> find another source.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 01:40, Kevin A. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *Correction, 44 *QFP (Quad Flat Pack)*
>>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread jwalton.mn 


I hope that you contacted PV about the issue prior to posting here.  Pete has 
been a long member of the community and has produced well respected product for 
years. I would think that he'd appreciate direct feedback if something that is 
not up to par gets out to a customer.  Anyone that is making an honest living 
based on good service and a quality product will probably go out of their way 
to fix the issue AND the cause.  But they need to hear about it directly.  If 
they just dismiss you, then post away!  Jeff 

 Original message 
From: Nicholas Stock  
Date: 7/20/19  10:58 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution 

I just checked my elite boards and there are no bridges, so chalk this one up 
to an erroneous solder job.The number of people who can adeptly do fine pitch 
SMD work pales in comparison to those that can adequately solder through 
hole.i’m sure Pete does not want to deal with the inevitable messes some 
people will make with these.just my 2 cents.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 20, 
2019, at 08:17, Kevin A.  wrote:Nick,As far as I 
can tell, there are no two adjacent circuits that should be bridged on an HV 
series serial to parallel converter. I've implemented this chip in several of 
my own designs. (Unless its a bodge fix for a board layout error, in which case 
the board should be fixed before being sold as a working product)On Sat, Jul 
20, 2019 at 10:14 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:You may want to 
check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.Sent from my 
iPhoneOn Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:If they're selling a 
kit, why not make these chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and 
lots of flux, it should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning 
experience.I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect 
he wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working 
with SMD components. I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens on eBay. 
Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A. 
 wrote:Very nice work with your kit. The curly 
wood finish is gorgeous. I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC 
certified but I think I did an alright job (see attached).I hope that mine was 
a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the 
assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable to 
solder and would be a good learning experience.On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  
 wrote:From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens 
(iPhone/jewelers loop) the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row 
is a little questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use 
a flux pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board 
manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or find 
another source.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 20, 2019, at 
01:40, Kevin A.  wrote:*Correction, 44 QFP (Quad 
Flat Pack)



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread Nicholas Stock 
I just checked my elite boards and there are no bridges, so chalk this one up 
to an erroneous solder job.

The number of people who can adeptly do fine pitch SMD work pales in comparison 
to those that can adequately solder through hole.i’m sure Pete does not 
want to deal with the inevitable messes some people will make with 
these.just my 2 cents.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 08:17, Kevin A.  wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> 
> As far as I can tell, there are no two adjacent circuits that should be 
> bridged on an HV series serial to parallel converter. I've implemented this 
> chip in several of my own designs. 
> 
> (Unless its a bodge fix for a board layout error, in which case the board 
> should be fixed before being sold as a working product)
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:
>> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing 
>> it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the assembly 
>>> too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable to solder 
>>> and would be a good learning experience.
>>> 
>>> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he 
>>> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working 
>>> with SMD components. I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens on 
>>> eBay. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A.  wrote:
 
 Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous. 
 
 I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I think 
 I did an alright job (see attached).
 
 I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make these 
 chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it 
 should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
 
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
> From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers 
> loop) the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little 
> questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux 
> pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board 
> manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or 
> find another source.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 01:40, Kevin A.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> *Correction, 44 QFP (Quad Flat Pack)
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread Kevin A. 
Nick,

As far as I can tell, there are no two adjacent circuits that should be
bridged on an HV series serial to parallel converter. I've implemented this
chip in several of my own designs.

(Unless its a bodge fix for a board layout error, in which case the board
should be fixed before being sold as a working product)

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:14 AM Nicholas Stock  wrote:

> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing
> it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> *If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the assembly
> too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable to solder
> and would be a good learning experience.*
>
> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he
> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working
> with SMD components*. *I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens
> on eBay. 
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A.  wrote:
>
> Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous.
>
> I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I think
> I did an alright job (see attached).
>
> I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make these
> chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it
> should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
>
>> From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers
>> loop) the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little
>> questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux
>> pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board
>> manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or
>> find another source.
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 01:40, Kevin A. 
>> wrote:
>>
>> *Correction, 44 *QFP (Quad Flat Pack)*
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread loknar28 
You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.
While, I agree with the spirit of this statement. If you look at my photos they 
do not appear to be bridged at all. There is just solder debris between the 
joints that could present an issue.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 10:14, Nicholas Stock  wrote:
> 
> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the assembly 
>> too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable to solder 
>> and would be a good learning experience.
>> 
>> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he 
>> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working 
>> with SMD components. I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens on 
>> eBay. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous. 
>>> 
>>> I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I think 
>>> I did an alright job (see attached).
>>> 
>>> I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make these 
>>> chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it 
>>> should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
>>> 
 On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
 From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers loop) 
 the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little 
 questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux 
 pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board 
 manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or 
 find another source.
 
 
 
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> *Correction, 44 QFP (Quad Flat Pack)
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread loknar28 
You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.

That is also a very good point.


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> You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: PV clock kit - word of caution

2019-07-20 Thread Nicholas Stock 
You may want to check that the bridge isn’t deliberate before removing it.

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> On Jul 20, 2019, at 07:10, lokna...@gmail.com wrote:
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> If they're selling a kit, why not make these chips a part of the assembly 
> too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it should be manageable to solder 
> and would be a good learning experience.
> 
> I completely agree,  although from a business standpoint I suspect he 
> wouldn’t sell as many kits, as many hobbyists are still  afraid of working 
> with SMD components. I know I was until I discovered liquid flux pens on 
> eBay. 
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> 
> 
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>> On Jul 20, 2019, at 09:56, Kevin A.  wrote:
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>> Very nice work with your kit. The curly wood finish is gorgeous. 
>> 
>> I did rework mine off and resolder them. I'm not IPC certified but I think I 
>> did an alright job (see attached).
>> 
>> I hope that mine was a fluke. If they're selling a kit, why not make these 
>> chips a part of the assembly too? With a chisel tip and lots of flux, it 
>> should be manageable to solder and would be a good learning experience.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 9:48 AM  wrote:
>>> From closer inspection using my poor man macro lens (iPhone/jewelers loop) 
>>> the joints are clearly hand soldered and the right row is a little 
>>> questionable. I guess if your driver is lined up properly just use a flux 
>>> pen and refresh your joints. I assume these are added by the board 
>>> manufacturer so I would suggest PV-Electronics have a talk with them or 
>>> find another source.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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