Re: Please test webp image format

[John Williams]

In article <514e111f-108b-c4aa-b35b-081f9544d...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake  wrote:

> So far we've only tested on Linux. Please could users of other
> platforms visit

Dev CI #4947 fixes the colour swapping for me on my original Pi2 and for
David Pitt, who reported elsewhere: 

> Oh dear I can't now get to the Netsurf mailing list with Plusnet's
> webmail.

> I only wanted to report that webp image colours are OK now with #4947.
> Tested on Titanium and RPi3B+. 

John


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[John Williams]

James, please look at thread:

https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/1010

John

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Re: Missing images

[John Williams]

In article ,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> Before I raise a bug report I'd like to know if other NetSurf users are 
> seeing the same fault.

All seems visible here! Latest 5.25 ROM, NetSurf 3.8 (Dev CI #4386) - both
latest AFAIK.

John

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Re: Missing images

[John Williams]

In article <8e6cf72457.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> I've now got the same problem with http://www.minimarcos.org/

That's OK here as well!

Must be a local problem!

John

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Re: linking to root of website, not root of drive

[John Williams]

In article <f4f7e9cc56@6.abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> why does RiscOS actually bother having a specific filetype for a CSS
> file?  It's only text.  Doubleclicking it only loads it into a text
> editor.

Many files are just plain text, but the filetype is helpful in that an icon
can be assigned, helping to spot the required file visually by type rather
than looking for obscure file extensions or looking at contents.

It's how RISC OS does it, and I like it that way!

John

PS and yes, it is actually RISC OS, not RiscOS with its pseudo camel-case.
Editor should have spotted that one!

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Re: Logging of Changes

[John Williams]

Thank you for the clarification/explanation!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Logging of Changes

[John Williams]

Why are there often series of changes which are not specifically logged at:

 http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes

like in the last 13 builds. Does the information appear somewhere else?

John

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Re: Failure to initialise Unicode font library

[John Williams]

In article <20171207113455.gk32...@platypus.pepperfish.net>,
   Rob Kendrick <r...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> Have you added any fonts recently?

No.  Of course, the first thing both these apps normally do after a
start-up is to scan fonts, and a file !Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.RUfl_cache
appears.

That seems to be there, so perhaps it is corrupted and present, thus
inhibiting a further scan.  I'll try renaming it or moving it.

Of course, as I copied all the resources over, that included Scrap!

That seems to have done the trick!

Though it doesn't explain why it didn't work before I copied over the
resources from back-up!

No matter, sorted now, thanks!

John

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Failure to initialise Unicode font library

[John Williams]

My RPi has suddenly developed an inability to load NetSurf:

The Unicode font library could not be initialized. Please report   
thisto the developers.

and James Bursa's Sargasso:

   Failed to initialise Unicode font library

Both of these apps were working perfectly in France on 4/12/17, but the
problem cropped up on my reconnection on my return home.

Thinking this was a problem with a shared resource as it affected two
applications, I restored my previously backed-up Boot:Resources directory
in its entirety, as I did not know which particular resource would produce
this error, but to no avail.

Any suggestions as to what to look at next?

John

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Re: URL lengths

[John Williams]

In article <20171128115425.22cudniq3zrfba3l@somnambulist.local>,
   Daniel Silverstone <dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> I don't believe we limit URL length per-se, though they get interned and
> as such four gigabytes per URL is probably the absolute limit.  In
> addition, POST data is nominally unlimited though I believe we have a
> similar four gigabyte limit.

Right, so it will be an arbitrary comparatively small allowance I will
make, and then politely refuse to handle anything larger.

Thank you all for your assistance.

John

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Re: URL lengths

[John Williams]

In article <0612b1a156.ga...@wra1th.plus.com>,
   Gavin Wraith <ga...@wra1th.plus.com> wrote:

> From a quick glance at the NetSurf 3.7 sources I would guess that the
> answer rather depends on which platform, and then on the particular
> machine NetSurf is running on.

I am, of course, running RISC OS.

> If your menu program is in BBC BASIC

which it is

> I would DIM buffers for URLs from the heap as you need them.

So you're suggesting that I measure each URL length first, perhaps BGETting
it until I encounter a terminator, and then DIM a variable accordingly -
or, actually, a series of concatenating variables as I intend to BPUT them
later; so I don't really need to have a long variable, just a series of
suitable GET variables.

A number would be easier!  How many?

John

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URL lengths

[John Williams]

I'm writing a little menu program to generate URL index pages.  It's to
make URLs easily available to my Linux machine if there are any problems
with a page/site under NetSurf.

What is the maximum URL length (including POST data) that NetSurf can
handle?

My program is taking text URLs, Ant URL files or Acorn URI files and
parsing them (in the latter case!) to extract the URL string for use in the
menu page, but I need to know the maximum length NetSurf can handle so that
I can provide for all possibilities that it may throw my way.

Or I could just choose an arbitrary large maximum - but what would a
sensible limit be before complaining? 500 characters /seems/ reasonable,
but is it actually?

An genuine real-life number would be better!

John

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Browser ID/User Agent

[John Williams]

I've been doing some stuff recently with browser ID strings, and find that
it is quite complicated!

There is stuff called Mozilla compatibility, platform, platform details,
specific enhancements etcetera! All very difficult to untangle!

But NetSurf (RISC OS) resolutely reports itself as:

NetSurf/3.7 (RISC OS)

which isn't terribly helpful/compatible with the likes of, for instance:

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 6.0.1; SAMSUNG SM-T550 Build/MMB29M) 
AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) SamsungBrowser/4.0 
Chrome/44.0.2403.133 Safari/537.36

Observations, please!

John

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Congratulations!

[John Williams]

Congratulations to the NetSurf team for all the hard work it took to get to
#4000!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[John Williams]

In article <c77953e355@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.

On quitting, same as its cookies. So if you want to do different user
stuff, NetSurf has to be quitted before changing the Choices location.

I do this to access my wife's FaceBook and GMail - with her permission, of
course. on a machine I can do something sensible with the data on! Things
like save out pictures full size, print off tickets etcetera.

For simplicity I have separate complete Choices files and a change-user
script which checks if NS is running and stops to warn me if it is. 
Quitting NS automatically seemed a bit like overkill - it helps to remember
what's going on if you have to do it yourself!

John

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Re: !Cache

[John Williams]

In article <55bcf7a3bdnets...@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
   Martin Avison <nets...@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> 3.5 (6th April 1016)

So before the Norman Conquest, then?

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Facebook

[John Williams]

I've just discovered that I can get Facebook up in NetSurf if I substitute
"m" for "www" in the URL.

That'll save a lot of wear and tear on the memory stick to get photos of
the new granddaughter into my RISC OS e-mails for the elderly relative (90)
that sends cheques, not to mention my time!

Forgive me if you already knew ...

John

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Re: Text drag & drop

[John Williams]

In article <5577741072joh...@ukgateway.net>,
   John Williams <joh...@ukgateway.net> wrote:

> So that might correspond with: ...

Thank you, Vincent; normal behaviour restored!

John

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Re: Netsurf Cache -- relocation tangent

[John Williams]

In article <1fd5ae6f55@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> So on all my machines I made a new directory that comes alphabetically
> last:   $._

That may well not come last on all filing systems, so no-one make that
assumption.

Jim doesn't specify what FS(s) all his machines are using.

I discovered this when devising a system for ensuring the completeness of
my back-ups by testing for the presence of a specific (last) file or
directory. As an example, SDFS and Fat32fs differ markedly in the order
they copy items elsewhere.

Implications probably not mission-critical in Jim's particular case, but
are in mine!

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

In article ,
   Richard Porter  wrote:

> >  document.write("javascript is enabled"); 

> alternatively / additionally:

> JS Off

Excellent!

I drop out of PHP and do them both, then drop back in:

?>
 document.write("JavaScript is
enabled!
"); 
JavaScript is disabled

Re: JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

In article <60ac4d5355.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
   John Rickman Iyonix <rick...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> try this:

>  document.write("javascript is enabled"); 

Perfick, as HE Bates was prone to write!

Thank you.

John

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JavaScript status indicator - request for a snippet of code

[John Williams]

Can anyone who understands JS provide a snippet of JS code that I can
insert in the footer of my local HTML index page to conditionally print,
say, "JavaScript is enabled!" as a reminder of NetSurf's current JS status.

If anyone wants to "go the whole hog" and reflect the two possible states,
then my local index page¹ uses PHP served by WebJames, but that is by no
means essential and may well be over-complicated.

I suspect that what I require is very simple/trivial and can be done in one
line of JS.

TIA

John

¹ As described in my article in Archive magazine some years ago.

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Builds as reflected on changes page under Build History

[John Williams]

I have noticed a few times, including as I write this, that sometimes the
progress of a build seems to get stuck as shown at:

  http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes

Today the progress is still stuck from Jan 15, 2016 7:37 on #3269 at, say,
95% completion, and a build #3270 remains "pending".

RISC OS #3269 has downloaded fine, but presumably something has stuck at a
later point for another OS.

Why/how does this happen?

Also, sometimes there is nothing listed under Changes for versions - not
even a build reference.

Just curious!

John

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Coffee in Bolognaise

[John Williams]

It was really nice to see an animation just like a video 2/3 the way down
the page on:
  
http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/09/we-put-instant-coffee-in-our-spaghetti-bolognese-so-you-dont-have-to-5382221/

Alas it was just an animated GIF file!  But, nonetheless, good fun!

I'd have to use real coffee, as I get gut-ache with instant!

John

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Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

The case sensitivity option does now work, but the highlighting of the
found terms only works if "Show all" is selected.

At least, so it seems here.  Perhaps someone else could check

John

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Re: Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

In article <mpro.o0j0un00ouqy9039j.pit...@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> Seems OK here, without "Show all" ticked the first match is highlighted.

Ah - yes, it does seem to work on other pages.

I had recently consulted:

  
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/pet-meds-prescription-only-advocate-for-dogs-c-21_701/advocate-for-large-dogs-p-1624

so I searched for "dog", then "Dog" on that page, as I already knew that
both instances occurred there. It seemed a suitable test page!

Here the highlight only happens if "Show all" is selected.  The page
scrolls as expected, but the highlights are not shown.  The page source
does have lots of instances inside tags of one sort or another, but I had
imagined the search would only search the displayed text.

I have tried resetting my machine, and find that earlier versions of
NetSurf show the same problem with this page.

So I guess this means either it's a problem with that specific page, or
something on my machine is causing the problem.

> P.S. Why a new thread, or why has Pluto lost the references header.

I hadn't seen/understood the relevance of Dave's previous short posting,
and only saw the new version when I automatically downloaded it earlier
today. Also, I gleaned what it was about from the changes log and, as I saw
the progress bar was still not complete (and still isn't) I assumed that it
was a brand new version with other OS versions still being rebuilt.

So, I'm still puzzled.

John

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Re: Search Case Sensitivity - RISC OS - #3251

[John Williams]

In article <mpro.o0j6uy004nrc103mq.pit...@pittdj.co.uk>,
   David Pitt <pit...@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> So it does, how very wierd!

The page won't validate with w3, so I guess this was a red herring.

Apologies.

John

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Re: Ordered list problem

[John Williams]

In article <op.x9l8pa0qif396l@alansall>,
   Alan & Sally <jare...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Please remove this address from your list.
> Regards,
> Sally Richardson

In the headers, if you can view them, it says:

List-Unsubscribe: 

<http://listmaster.pepperfish.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org>,
 <mailto:netsurf-users-requ...@netsurf-browser.org?subject=unsubscribe>

That http bit appears split over 3 lines, but is really all one.

That is how you "remove this address from your list"

Hope this helps, 
 
John

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Flickr

[John Williams]

Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/

does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it does
work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0.

3.3 fails to render the image, as do later development versions, but I do
not have sufficient stock of older versions to isolate when the problem
started.

If anyone does have adequate numbers of earlier versions to find out at
what development version the trouble started, I'm sure that information
would help the developers greatly!

John

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Re: How we can all assist NetSurf's development

[John Williams]

In article <4b9afe1155.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>,
   Richard Porter <r...@minijem.plus.com> wrote:

> The previous version I had 
> downloaded the file as DEADDEAD until complete but only used the last 
> three digits of the NS version number in the file name i.e. "2994/zip" 
> was stored as "994/zip".

That was my original version, now updated here for me, but Frank de Bruijn
asked if he could modify it, and I was quite happy with this.

I am still using my own self-modified version, but have withdrawn the
original to (I had hoped!) avoid confusion.

So use Frank's or contact me privately if you really prefer mine. I doubt
there is any serious difference.

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: Crash with #2860

[John Williams]

In article
out-55ab811f.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk,
   Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote:

 Actually, try 2862, that's more likely to fix it.

Won't even open a window here, like 2861.

John

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Re: !Fetch_NS

[John Williams]

In article 9f2fd6de54.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 If someone can tell me whether it's legal to do so, I could send him 
 my Not John William's version, which should work exactly as it does 
 here.

This is really not the place to discuss third-party software, but anyone
can do whatever they like with anything derived from my stuff!

John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk,
   Richard Ashbery ris...@gotadsl.co.uk wrote:

 I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works
 normally. Anyone able to confirm?

Yes, it's fine again!

Perhaps my feedback was noted! Message-ID: 54c0f9056fjoh...@ukgateway.net

 I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
 this.  I hope others will follow.

John

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Google

[John Williams]

In article 1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

 I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript on/off 
 button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't work and if 
 it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work.

OK - it ain't very pretty and a bit clumsy, but it seems to work
more-or-less:

My application !JS puts an application icon on the iconbar courtesy of the
Pinboard which, if double-clicked on whilst NetSurf is loaded, will change
and reflect the status of JSon or JSoff.

It only refreshes by grace of a window being briefly drawn over it, and it
moves the pointer a bit - but it seems to do the trick.

A green icon means Javascript is active, and a red one inactive. A grey one
means you've quitted or failed to load NetSurf

On my RPi the mechanics of opening configuration windows and their
subsequent closing is visible briefly, but a lot better than having to go
through all those clicks yourself.  Perhaps less visible on a faster
machine.

It uses action files created by KeyStroke and executed by Executor to make
it work, and uses Shift/F1 and Shift/F2 as the shortcut keys - but if you
use these manually, the status is not refreshed on the iconbar - so don't!

It can be downloaded from:

http://le.petit.four.free.fr/JS.zip

Please contact me directly with any observations, or via the News Groups if
I subsequently make an announcement there, as this list is not for
discussion of third party applications.

Best wishes, 
 
John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 60f3f4c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 I found a writable icon and wrote what I know about their broken code 
 in it (which is nothing at all apart from what someone said on here).

I have used the Send feedback link on the bottom of a search page to send
this.  I hope others will follow.

quote
I am sending this using a browser with Javascript turned on.  If I attempt
this with Javascript turned off, Google now goes into a recursive loop.

This change occurred less than a week ago.

A NetSurf browser developer has commented:

Google have changed the non-javascript portion of their reply (the
noscript entry) to contain completely broken html that simply causes the
browser to refresh and fail to work usefully.

We cannot do anything about this in NetSurf itself and need Google to
unbreak their noscript, If you can get anyone there to listen that
would be good!

Thus I (and I hope others will follow) am drawing this to your attention.
endquote

I hope that this helps,

John

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Re: Google

[John Williams]

In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk,
   Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:

 Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf.

 Has anyone any cures or suggestions?

It still works if you put JS on - but, of course, that bu**ers up StreetMap.

Now more than ever we need that magic JS ON/JS OFF button people have been
asking for for yonks.

Perhaps if there was a simple handle to make NetSurf rescan its choices
(which there may well be!), a third party add-on just for RISC OS would be
possible by changing the choices file on the fly.

Or one of those record your button presses and menu items programs we
used to  have in the olden days.

Anyway, it's a pain having to do Menu, Choices, Content, Radio icon every
time you want to switch, and, as it's RISC OS-only problem, it's unlikely
to be fixed by the developers.

So, some more lateral thinking called for!

John

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#2654

[John Williams]

NetSurf changes page says, re #2654:

 1. Create an empty !RunImage file in RISC OS page save apps ˜ 

I have racked what few brains I have, but can see no reason for this.

Creation of a zero length dummy file of a totally inappropriate filetype
(text) and which is not even referred to in the Inventory file.

I suppose there must _be_ a reason.

John

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Re: #2654

[John Williams]

In article 20150318085030.gd29...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 Had you actually read the commit message in its entirity [1]

I have now found out how to do this for myself using the link on the
changes page.

Thank you.

John

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Re: Slow page opening

[John Williams]

In article 00079b8d.01e79490a...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 This page just took about 5 mins to open. I will check to see if
 it is repeatable but it might be useful to see if other platforms
 have the same issue:

 https://www.falkemedia-shop.de/contacts/

Less than 30 sec under RISC OS

John

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Re: #2463 - Scanning fonts

[John Williams]

In article 54797458f6bbai...@argonet.co.uk,
   Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 NetSurf has very recently started scanning fonts during loading. This
 hasn't happened for ages. Is this a glitch, perhaps, or revised behaviour?

Not happening here! Could something have changed in your font collection?

John

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Re: Image Link issue

[John Williams]

In article 00195d22.01ffd490d...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 Can someone confirm this with other versions ?

Same here with #2438 under RISC OS.

John

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Changes page

[John Williams]

http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/view/All/job/netsurf/changes no
longer seems to have content.

Has the page/system moved somewhere else?

John

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RISC OS Save-as PDF file

[John Williams]

I noticed recently (from another posting) that (some) other platforms seem
to still have Save as PDF which was implemented under RISC OS and later
removed.

I was wondering about the status of this, as it seemed like a miracle at
the time.

I know we can still use the Drawfile export and print to a PDF file, but
the direct option seemed so much more elegant!

John

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Re: Google hanging

[John Williams]

In article 7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP?

 (Netsurf v1932, JS disabled)

I was experiencing it yesterday with 1929/1930, JS disabled. Plusnet.

Thought it was just me!

John

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| joh...@ukgateway.net

 Names for Soul Band:- The Soul Criterion *

StreetMap

[John Williams]

Am I imagining it, or has StreetMap (without JS) decided to load all
elements of the map each time?  If so, well done!

John

Re: Grey page

[John Williams]

In article 53c327b25dbrian.jord...@btinternet.com,
   Brian Jordan brian.jord...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Some pages have the expected content and below that a massive grey area,
 some are the other way around with the grey at the top. Scroll down these
 pages, eventually you will find the content. At least that's what I see
 with the same version of NetSurf.

I notice an error in the stylesheet line - missing leading angle bracket,
leading to the line being printed at the top rather than interpreted.

John

Re: Fanfiction.net login

[John Williams]

In article dba15ea953.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 12 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

  As of today the 'captcha' on the fanfiction.net log-in page is no
  longer displaying ...

[Snip]

 The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1417, js disabled.

But that's from at least last month, and Harriet did say 'As of today'.

John

Re: 3.1 (Dev CI #1330)

[John Williams]

In article 53948878f6t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 That looked dreadful, so I've changed it to generate bitmaps of
 anti-aliased triangles of the appropriate size and colours at runtime.

 Is anyone testing this stuff?  Also the undo/redo textarea handling.

Looks fine now, too small on earlier versions.

I had assumed that someone had modified a built-in font, as you originally
suggested was needed.

But, yes, much better now!

John

3.1 (Dev CI #1330)

[John Williams]

My treeview display pluses and minuses have changed to 25/b8 and 25/be.

John

Re: 3.1 (Dev CI #1330)

[John Williams]

In article 538573f7ddt...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 The glyphs we need added are:

   http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/25b8/index.htm

 and

   http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/25be/index.htm

 If anyone can do that, please get in touch.

Way beyond my competence level! Though I notice Dingbats does have a
down-pointy triangle if that helps anyone else! Tho' it also has an EFF
logo, so perhaps not.

John

Re: Broken directory

[John Williams]

In article 7f76f76253.cri...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com,
   Christopher Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Not sure if this is a Netsurf or RISC OS specific thing but I noticed 
 Netsurf was reverting to default choices and losing its hotlist. I 
 looked at !Boot.Choices.WWW.Netsurf which reports Broken directory 
 if I try to delete or move it.

 Any way out?

If you can rename it to, say,  so it gets put out of the way at the
bottom of the filer display, you could create a new empty directory to
populate.

John

Re: streetmap.co.uk

[John Williams]

In article 026d155b53.bo...@boase.demon.co.uk,
   Bernard Boase b.bo...@bcs.org wrote:

 But now even entering via this URL, the map display is only in the new 
 format which Netsurf apparently cannot display. I am currently using 
 3.1 (Dec Cl #1252).

Seems to work OK with Dev CI #1257.  Thanks for the URL - useful!

John

Gerph

[John Williams]

Having been prompted to visit:

 http://gerph.org/riscos/ramble/

I find a problem with the bottom of:

http://gerph.org/riscos/ramble/patches-lowlevel.html

where text is overlaid.

Can anyone cleverer than me suggest where the problem might lie?

John

Re: Upper character truncation - CSS handling

[John Williams]

In article mpro.mlc3ut004g9yd015i.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
   David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

 Is this the earlier instance:-

 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=323group_id=51719atid=464312

That's it - and sorry, it was you and not another David!

I see this hasn't been corrected, but am delighted to see that the similar
effect on the Google page links to the right of the search box /has/ been
fixed.

A much better impression for all our RPi new users!

John

Re: Upper character truncation - CSS handling

[John Williams]

In article 20130415072710.ga30...@kyllikki.org,
   Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 If you want this fixed please submit it to our issue tracker,
 otherwise it is liable to be ignored.

 Some brief analysis shows this is due to the css rule:

 .curvedboxcontainer h1 {
 font-family: Passion One, Helvetica, san-serif;
 font-size: 36px;
 color: #b66222;
 line-height: 90%;
 }

 It appears the bounding box height is scaled by 90% but not the text
 itself. I also note NetSurf falls back to the sans-serif font choice
 which should not be a factors

If it is the same issue I reported some years ago - without result ...

 On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 08:27:10 +0100, Vincent Sanders wrote:

  I also note NetSurf falls back to the sans-serif font choice
  which should not be a factor.

 That should probably be on the request tracker too, if it isn't
 already.  I remember some discussion about implementing usage of
 specific fonts quite some years ago.

What concerns me is that the Google home page also displays a similar
problem with the 'Advanced Search' and 'Language Tools' links to the riht
of the search box - which may confuse/discourage our new RPi users!

It needs sorting!

John

Upper character truncation - CSS handling

[John Williams]

I see at:

http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/sale/dogs/bedlington-terrier/wakefield/

an illustration of the subject line which may be related to the problem
(which I have lost track of) reported by me, and, I think, Dave Higton some
years ago which was not actioned.

The problem is that the top few lines of the characters in the headines are
not displayed.

John

Re: dv #1012 continous loop alt/break freeze

[John Williams]

In article 53340a963cbbai...@argonet.co.uk,
   Brian Bailey bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 However, I then tried an Alt/Break  Quit on NetSurf, which exited cleanly
 - except that, trying to restart NetSurf gave a message,

 'Cannot open Wimp$ScrapDir WWW.Netsurf.log for I/O redirection'

You could have closed the logfile without rebooting using Ian Hamilton's
CloseIt - that would have worked!

If you don't have it, get it would be my advice.

John

Re: Find !Fetch_NS

[John Williams]

In article e456c82e53.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:
 However the (anonymous, German) author

Frank de Bruijn - Dutch, surely?

 of that version, heavily modified from John's original,

because I prefer to see what's going on myself and make my own decisions

 specifically asked that questions or comments about this version should
 not be posted here, but instead to c.s.a.apps

at my suggestion, IIRC.  Wrath is best avoided!

John

#910

[John Williams]

#910 breaks Google - form submission doesn't work!

John

Re: Toolbar Customisation

[John Williams]

In article 3F3D98959B3D4050A339C1550681C3A1@StudioPC, Ken Ellis
k...@kitehouse.co.uk wrote:

 I don't understand what is meant by 'clicking menu over the toolbar'. All
 I can see above the toolbar is the usual menu list of File Edit View
 Navigate and Help. I have tried a right click on the toolbar, but nothing
 happens.

RISC OS uses a three button mouse.  The middle button, or often nowadays a
scroll wheel, is the 'Menu' button, and it is this mouse button to which
the above refers.

 The other point I am having trouble with is when discussing Toolbar Icons
 the guide refers to 'Adjust Click' and 'Select Click'. I have not met
 these terms.

Similarly, the left button is called 'Select' and the right button
'Adjust', and therefore the 'Click' referred to here is the clicking of the
right and left mouse buttons respectively.

Thus, from left to right, the three mouse buttons are: Select, Menu,
Adjust, and their names usually start with a capital to avoid the obvious
confusion and ambiguity which may be partly contributing to your problems
and those of other newcomers to the OS.

Hope this helps, 
 
John

Re: Controlling Javascript

[John Williams]

In article 530f63fff3t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 about:testament should say if CI builds are built with JS.

- which conveniently works as a URL file to put on the pinboard if required.

John

Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard

[John Williams]

In article 530a75t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 In the !NetSurf application directory, there is an Obey file called
 OpenScrap.  Run it and the log file, called Log, will be in the directory
 that opens.


Would a menu item 'Open Logfile' be more accessible?

John

#670

[John Williams]

In article d08c3df352.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 Not so here; ARMini RISC OS 5.19. No font scanning, and gets into 
 http://www.google.co.uk/ with no trouble.

Perhaps a dodgy font detected due to more precise checking, then.

Haven't knowingly changed anything, but ...

John

Re: #670

[John Williams]

In article 29c23ff352.geo...@tiscali..co.uk,
   george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Works OK here too (RPCEmu 0.8.9/RO 4.02, 256MB RAM, Recompiler, 
 Win7-64-bit). Might be an idea to run FixFonts from inside the 
 !NetSurf app folder, and/or Disknight in case your HD4 has become 
 corrupted.

No, cause was here!

Was backing up to memory stick for RPi, and Shift must've stuck!

Have now restored contnts of Boot:Resources and all is well!

red face Sorry /red face.

John

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[John Williams]

In article 20121122110116.GF3366@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone
dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  What was the first #number of this change?

 I do not recall.  It was done not long after the hack weekend though, so
 you should be able to trace it.

Would it be possible to have once again something like the old builds page
detailing changes between test versions, or is that too much unproductive
work?

John

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[John Williams]

In article 20121122170227.gu3...@pepperfish.net,
   Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  Would it be possible to have once again something like the old builds
  page detailing changes between test versions, or is that too much
  unproductive work?

Sorry - Pluto breaks link! See Message-ID:

 20121122170227.gu3...@pepperfish.net

 The list of builds down the left hand side has links to a details page
 for each, which includes the change messages for the commits included in
 that build, with links to diffs on the cgit revision viewer.

Thanks!

John

Tree unable to be loaded

[John Williams]

#641 and its predecessor give a warning on loading:

The tree was unable to be correctly loaded. (No title)

here under RISC OS 5.16.

On continuing NetSurf seems to work OK.

John

Re: Tree unable to be loaded

[John Williams]

In article 52ece526c0joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 #641 and its predecessor give a warning on loading:

 The tree was unable to be correctly loaded. (No title)

No longer occurs with #644.

John

Re: arstechnica.com

[John Williams]

In article 52ea56827achr...@care4free.net,
   Chris Gransden chr...@care4free.net wrote:

 On the main page of arstechnica.com some of the text has the top chopped
 off.

A bit like the links to the right of the search dialogue box at:

http://www.google.co.uk/

- a long-standing problem.

John

Re: Fetching NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 52dea1b6e3ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk,
   cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

 Well, I now have a modified version of 'Fetch_NS' that works fine on
 the ARMini. In addition to actually fetching the latest release (if
 there is one) it will quit NetSurf, rotate the 4 previous backup
 versions

I like to keep many recent versions so I can retrospectively pinpoint when
a change in behaviour occured - between version ? and ?.

This is because one may not always immediately find a problem - only when
one visits a particular site.

Being able to specify a last version which worked may be useful to the
developers in isolating a change which caused it.

Just my opinion!

John

Fetching NetSurf

[John Williams]

If anyone RISC OS-side has a need for a new downloading app, I've put
mine at:

http://petit.four.free.fr/FetchNS.zip

It saves the latest version, if not already downloaded, in the directory
where you put it.

It uses the LATEST file the developers have thoughtfully provided. My old
version had to parse the old Builds page!

John

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Re: Fetching NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 52de1d213bch...@chris-johnson.org.uk,
   cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

 to

 If NetSurf$LatestVersion  

Now changed in the download, thanks Chris.  I really knew that - once!

Must make a note somewhere!

Sorry NetSurf team for taking up lots of your list!

John

Re: Current version?

[John Williams]

In article 5285034c43joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

  We will enable the autobuilder again once trunk NetSurf reaches a
  satisfactory state.

 Could this be announced here, please, when 'normal service resumes'?

Is there any news on this?

It's been a long, long time!

John

Re: Current version?

[John Williams]

On 29 May, joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 It's been a long, long time!

Is that a quote from 'Rocket Man'?

John

Current version?

[John Williams]

I have been stuck at r13571 for some time - which may well be the latest
version; we mustn't deny developers a break!

But now my cURL script for downloading the latest version seems to hang!

Any ideas, anyone?

John

Re: Current version?

[John Williams]

In article 5283803aabt...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 We will enable the autobuilder again once trunk NetSurf reaches a
 satisfactory state.

Thanks for the clarification.

John

Re: advert overprints text (The Reg)

[John Williams]

In article d32eda7f52@nails.abbeypress.net,
   Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote:

 Fascinating story from Nature (via The Register) today.
 Unfortunately, in Netsurf the HP-Microsoft ad overprints the text.

Works fine here in r13571.

Or have I misunderstood something? Do I have an option turned off?  No ad
discernible.

John

'Base stylesheet failed to load' error

[John Williams]

In article 14fc1af392.acl...@tiscali.co.uk,
   george george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Any suggestions?

Download a fresh archive and try that?

John

Re: Fragment identifiers, PHP, and NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 5228d86a93joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 I'm flummoxed.

Apparently, after Googling, this is not a NetSurf issue at all, but:

this is an open (not specified) issue with the current HTTP specification.
it is addressed in 2 issues of the IETF httpbis working group:

#6: Fragments allowed in Location
#43: Fragment combination / precedence during redirects

See:

  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2286402/url-fragment-and-302-redirects

Apologies.

John

Fragment identifiers, PHP, and NetSurf

[John Williams]

Doing a bit of scripting to compensate for inadequacies in the BBC Radio 4
Schedule page, I find that, whilst a URL file containing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm/#latenight  

takes me directly to the Late section in NetSurf, the same URL sent from
PHP as a header('Location: ...) function seems to lose the fragment
identifier altogether and just loads the base page.

It does, however, work OK when called with IE8 under Windows XP Pro, and
Firefox under Linux.

I am puzzled as to why this only happens with NetSurf. 

I am running the PHP scripting locally using WebJames, but the same thing
happens if I put the script on my web site, except now IE8 ignores the
fragment identifier as well!

I'm flummoxed.

John

Re: Fragment identifiers, PHP, and NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 5228d9da6fj...@jaharrison.me.uk,
   John Harrison j...@jaharrison.me.uk wrote:

 I have noticed that if I drag a URL containing a fragment identifier from
 NetSurf to something else (StrongEd, WebWonder, or whatever) only the
 base URL gets copied across, like this, in the example above

I see what you mean. But the same thing happens if I send the URL with the
fragment identifier to IE8 as a shortcut (via my URLtoIE utility) - the
last bit disappears - so perhaps that is accepted behaviour?

This may not be a NetSurf-specific problem at all.  But flagged-up here,
those who know can decide and tell us.

John

Re: Search oddity on r13075 (plus at least 1 version prior)

[John Williams]

In article f499472752.jess@itworkshop.invalid,
   Jess Hampshire jesshampsh...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I try and search for text on a web page, the dialogue box accepts 
 the first letter and then disappears are searches for just that 
 letter.

That happens here with r13078 and RISC OS 5.16.

John

Re: Search oddity on r13075 (plus at least 1 version prior)

[John Williams]

In article 498c4e2752.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 However, 13077 says Disable Sprite support - 
 DataTypes can't handle these, so could that be fouling something up 
 for RISC OS?

It actually says:   

Disable Sprite support - DataTypes can handle these. 

which is rather different!  Sprites still load.

John

Re: Netsurf saving a BMP object.

[John Williams]

In article 8889162452.pitt...@iyonix.home,
   David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:

 This line added to MimeMap did allow NetSurf to save the BMP as a BMP.

 image/bmp  BMP  69C .bmp

I already have:

image/x-MS-bmp  BMP 69C .bmp
image/x-bitmap  XBitMap b61 .bm
image/x-ms-bmp  BMP 69c .bmp
image/x-xbitmap XBitMap b61 .bm

John

Re: puzzling email

[John Williams]

In article 5223956cc4bbai...@argonet.co.uk,
   Brian Bailey bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 I just got an email from i4imaging which included a file oleO.bmp which
 NetSurf didn't like very much declaring BadType as it was fetching and
 processing. Said file didn't seem to render. Are bmp file a no go area,
 perhaps?

A BMP file made with DPIngScan loads fine, so your file is probably faulty
- or, as sometimes happens, has the wrong file extension perhaps (?).

My BMP file starts with the characters 'BM' as viewed in a text editor.

John

Re: Loading local copy of Builds page

[John Williams]

In article 521ce149bcjoh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 r12925 loads and displays a local copy of the NetSurf builds page which I
 download for parsing for the latest version number for use in a scripted
 download process.

That was fixed, but now, with r12948, local files don't load at all, giving
the error:

Error 404 while fetching file file:///ADFS

Presumably Vince's 'make nsurl__create_from_section correctly escape
characters as per RFC3986' didn't work as intended.

John

Loading local copy of Builds page

[John Williams]

r12925 loads and displays a local copy of the NetSurf builds page which I
download for parsing for the latest version number for use in a scripted
download process.

Versions certainly from r12938 (possibly earlier) give a fatal error for
the same file.

Logfile sent to J-MB

John

Re: Bank of Scotland/Halifax

[John Williams]

In article a3cf1d1552.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 Is this with the little keypad thingy that Barclays sent to the late 
 S(WMBO)+(WILAC), and which we never used? HSBC have just started using 
 these, and even before then their on-line banking stopped working with 
 RISC OS NetSurf; I haven't yet tried it with the keypad.

An interesting fact is that these 'little keypad thingies' are all the
same, just badged differently.  So if you need to, you can use someone
else's - away from home, for example.

Anyone wishing to discuss this, take it elsewhere, as it's off-topic here.

John

Re: Permajet website

[John Williams]

In article e61e0a1352.r...@user.minijem.plus.com,
   Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote:

 Sometimes it just looks as though the tops of the letters on a line have
 been chopped off but I guess it's the same problem.

I suggest that might be the problem reported in bug 323 by David Pitt.

I suspect that it has not being addressed because it is not very clear from
the report title at first glance that it is a CSS implementation problem.

I also suspect that it is the same problem I see every time I look at
Google where the two lines to the right of the entry field are vertically
truncated.

John

Re: Warning from NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 1315470492.8060.7.camel@duiker,
   John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 Fixed in r12778.

Indeed it is - thank you, John-Mark!

John

Re: Warning from NetSurf

[John Williams]

In article 1315430123.8060.2.camel@duiker, John-Mark Bell
j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  Unfortunately this warning box resists the efforts of the NoError
  utility module to close it, and the content doesn't appear in SysLog's
  WIMP log like it might with other multitasking programs.

 It would: NetSurf doesn't use Wimp_ReportError for those windows.

Could it be persuaded to do so in future - for the convenience of RISC OS
users?

  Really, I should improve my script to avoid the empty window being
  generated, but I am curious as to what, if anything, this warning
  message actually means and as to how helpful it is to have it appear in
  this indecipherable form?

 Without a log file, there's nothing we can tell you.

How may I provoke the generation of a log file?

John

Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.

[John Williams]

In article 7c3a80fc51.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 I'll contact you off-list (I think this subject isn't of general
 interest here) when I've done some more struggling, but that may not be
 real soon now. Too much else to do.

Perhaps when you do sort it you could summarise here - for the benefit of
future Googlers or archive-searchers if nothing else!

John

Re: Can't save as Draw

[John Williams]

In article 960d6ded51.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
 
  Working fine here, on r12567.

 Yes, seems O.K. with r12569 - must have been a unintended blip.

I just saved the Google home page as a Draw file - and got this!

http://le.petit.four.free.fr/www_google_co_uk

You'll have to save it and set its filetype to Drawfile.

Or, if you can't be bothered, try a png rendition at:

http://le.petit.four.free.fr/www_google_co_uk.png

though that did complain about lack of EUTF8 fonts.  Looks similar, though.

I must admit, I'm a bit non-plussed!

There are things at Google of which we know nothing!

John

Re: Loading text files

[John Williams]

In article 51e42356f0joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 This and later versions I have tried crash with:

 Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault

 I am assuming this happens everywhere and to everyone reproducibly, so
 have not sent off the log file.

 RISC OS 5.16 on Iyonix.

This problem has recurred with r12551 - text files dragged to the iconbar
icon cause the above crash. r12550 works fine.

John

Loading text files

[John Williams]

I use NetSurf quite often to print out simple text files.  I drag the file
to the iconbar icon, and the file is loaded and displayed in a mono-spaced
font (Corpus) which will print out quickly and effectively. The printing
width can be controlled by the window width.

This facility has been very useful for a quick printout!

The last version I have here which allows this is r12443, tho' I had a
hiatus in downloading until r12476.

This and later versions I have tried crash with:

Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault

I am assuming this happens everywhere and to everyone reproducibly, so have
not sent off the log file.

RISC OS 5.16 on Iyonix.

John

Re: Loading text files

[John Williams]

In article 51e42356f0joh...@ukgateway.net,
   John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote:

 The last version I have here which allows this is r12443, tho' I had a
 hiatus in downloading until r12476.

 This and later versions I have tried crash with:

 Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault

This seems to have been fixed in r12485:

2011-06-16 09:07 - tlsa - r12485 - (in trunk/netsurf)

Give the selection context the current bw when it's created.

whatever that means!  Thanks.

John

Re: Loading text files

[John Williams]

In article 312e2fe451.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 No problem here with r12485 (16 Jun 2011), running on RO 6.20.

Keep up at the back there!

See Message-ID: 51e42d4e90joh...@ukgateway.net, Message-ID:
51e42de1c3t...@netsurf-browser.org.

John

Re: Generic 'font' styling in CSS

[John Williams]

In article 51d9dc4a02...@timil.com,
   Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote:

 For anyone not familiar, http://w3schools.com is an excellent resource.

 [Snip]

 I say maybe because it doesn't work with Netsurf it seems.

The problem is with NetSurf replacing spaces with hard spaces.

Easily solved using, for example, !ConvText using a script line of the form:

  [160]:[32]  |This turns a hard space into a normal one

- or you could use your favourite text editor to search and replace.


It can be useful to have a display font which shows hard spaces differently
to check.  A bit annoying, tho', for displaying news and mail from lazy
typers who catch the Alt key whilst typing spaces.

John

Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search

[John Williams]

In article 2f5e7dc651.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Thanks for the explanation. It's unfortunate that Google has produced a
 layout, so out of keeping with its usual design.

I've just donated 6p.

John

Re: Shortcut for Save Location??

[John Williams]

In article 9a25cab051.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com,
   Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote:

 Is it possible for us to have a keyboard shortcut key for
 Page  Save Location  Ant URL / Acorn URI
 please.

 I don't know what other people think? but I am always saving URLs and 
 it is quite frustratingly error-prone navigating the mouse to the 4th 
 level.

Does just Shift-dragging the URL bar not suffice?  My favoured option!

Gets to the same end for the Ant URL for me!  Handy for my URLtoIE proglet
too!

Best wishes, 
 
John