Re: Google
On 9 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: In article 3145b6c054.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 8 May 2015, Richard Torrens (lists) wrote: Another way of using Google is, for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Acacia Just double click on the link. Works from Pluto, StronEd and anything else which will launch a URL. But that doesn't work on Netsurf :-( It just oscillates the same :-( Once on the search, you can delete the search term and type in another. So it seems to be only from the first page. Weird! Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times. The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is !-- Search Google -- PFORM method=GET action=http://www.google.com/custom TABLE bgcolor=#FF cellspacing=0 border=0 td INPUT TYPE=text name=q size=40 maxlength=255 value= INPUT type=submit name=sa VALUE=Google Search brinput type=radio name=sitesearch value= checked Search WWW /td/tr/TABLE /FORM !-- Search Google -- Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it Excellent Richard :-)) Now I'm back in business, using a 3-year old Netsurf :-) -- Cheers Roger If windfarms on hills are fine then put some on The South Downs too.
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, Bernard Boase wrote: On 8 May, li...@torrens.org.uk typed: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? One suggestion would be to use https://startpage.com instead. But that doesn't work on the fastest Netsurf that I use (r12638) which is far smoother at scrolling long pages with images on, and is much faster at loading the pages in the first place than any of the Netsurfs released in the last 2 or 3 years. I know because I keep downloading new ones, and they all exhibit the problems just mentioned (and acknowledged by Netsurf developers themselves, because they altered the code to use some other method of displaying pages that works far slower) It gives the usual 'error setting certificate verify locations' It claims to: - be the world's most private search engine, - use Google in the background on your behalf anyway, and - not to record the user's IP address. We don't have to wait for Google to mend its ways. -- Cheers Roger The permanent way turned out not to be so permanent after all ~
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, Frank de Bruijn wrote: In article 54c08f864b...@timil.com, Tim Hill t...@timil.com wrote: In article 54c08c6513li...@torrens.org.uk, Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote: Yesterday Google stopped working with Netsurf. Has anyone any cures or suggestions? If you mean Google Search, in its stead I've been using DuckDuckGo with RISC OS for some time. https://duckduckgo.com/html/ Alternatively, if you prefer Google's search results, try https://startpage.com/ Which promptly gives: error setting certificate setting verify locations [at least on older Netserfs [which happen to work far faster, which is why I still use an old version]... This uses Google but has its own frontend, which seems to work fine whether JavaScript is on or not. Regards, Frank -- Cheers Roger If I were you I'd be me
Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer
On 31 Mar 2015, Harriet Bazley wrote:
On 31 Mar 2015 as I do recall,
Roger Darlington wrote:
On 18 Feb 2015, Harriet Bazley wrote:
[snip]
For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
The intended display is hidden as
.viewport div img {display:none;}
/stylediv style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-
bottom:4px
style type=text/css.html_page_image {
background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssC
ie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFW
AAUiHFXutw);
width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style
Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
is
I am puzzled by this Hilary.
Firefox on Windows7 has no such trouble displaying google book pages
without any rigmarole about finding some other link hidden deep inside
it and clicking on that instead.
Maybe Firefox ingnores display:none and background display and instead
gets straight on with the proper business of displaying it?
Much more likely that it is Firefox that supports the complicated
obfuscation they are using to make the content of the book invisible to
search engines/impossible to save out of Windows browsers (or whatever the
purpose of this CSS may be), and Netsurf that ignores it.
Let's hope that Netsurf can find a fludge fix for this problem soon,
if they can't do a proper fix quickly.
--
Cheers
Roger
A proton is for life, not just for Christmas
Re: Google Books do not show pages any longer
On 18 Feb 2015, Harriet Bazley wrote:
On 17 Feb 2015 as I do recall,
Roger Darlington wrote:
I suppose someone knows that Google Books does not show the pages any
longer in any version of Netsurf I have. One 2 years old, NS 3.2, and
a test build from today.
It used to work fine, but Google must have put some spanners in their
works.
I think it's some kind of copy protection. The links to the images are still
*there* in the source code, but specified as 'background'. The thing to
do is to search for the string .viewport.
For example, https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssCpg=PA24
The intended display is hidden as
.viewport div img {display:none;}
/stylediv style=height:853px;width:575px;position:relative;margin-
bottom:4px
style type=text/css.html_page_image {
background-image:url(https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VL5wUgW0RssC
ie=ISO-8859-1pg=PA24img=1zoom=3hl=ensig=ACfU3U1veGpmwlalmSlRUhFW
AAUiHFXutw);
width:575px;height:853px; top:0px;left:0px;position:relative}/style
Click on *that*, and you can see the page, annoying though the workaround
is
I am puzzled by this Hilary.
Firefox on Windows7 has no such trouble displaying google book pages
without any rigmarole about finding some other link hidden deep inside
it and clicking on that instead.
Maybe Firefox ingnores display:none and background display and instead
gets straight on with the proper business of displaying it?
--
Cheers
Roger
The more information you have, the more likely it is to be wrong
Google Books do not show pages any longer
I suppose someone knows that Google Books does not show the pages any longer in any version of Netsurf I have. One 2 years old, NS 3.2, and a test build from today. It used to work fine, but Google must have put some spanners in their works. -- Cheers Roger Get fit: Recycle your bicycle
Re: NS 3.1 json Dev C1#1171 - 2 problems
On 15 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone wrote: On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 06:55:48PM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote: This works properly in NS dev vers r12638 (and many others of this period) This is from before a huge rework of frames, so your first problem is a real bug, please file it in the bug tracker. Thanks. That bit Bug Trackered. Of course, there may well be some writing somewhere that says Netsurf 3.1 doesn't yet do these things, and that the team are working on it ? In brief -- if it's JavaScript based, it doesn't work in NetSurf yet. Our JS support is *very* rudimentary as yet -- we have a long long way to go. If it works, then bonus for you. If it doesn't, that's expected at this point and you're unlikely to gain friends by reporting bugs about it just yet :-) Ah, right, OK. D. -- Cheers Roger If I knew where I was I wouldn't be here
Re: scrolling jerky
On 27 Apr 2012, Chris Young wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:23:18 +0100, Roger Darlington wrote: On 25 Apr 2012, Michael Drake wrote: In article be1b188652.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Scrolling very jerky on the vertical slider Please see my response to your previous scrolling thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org/msg03976.html Your google URL is the scrolling frames issue. Thanks for that Michael. I have increased the Cache from 20MB to 90MB, but there is still a very noticeable difference between scrolling the two versions of the very same page (neither of which get anywhere near 90MB it must be said...) Cache won't help, the issue is that core scrolls aren't optimised, so if you scroll a frame the entire contents of that frame will be redrawn - even if it is only scrolled a pixel. Conversely, if you scroll using the window scrollbar, the platform code handles the scroll. Usually the platform code is optimised, and will shift the area and just redraw the newly-exposed bit. Clearly NetSurf would benefit from some scrolling optimisation in the core, but I'm not sure if it is as easy as telling the frontend code to move a particular area and then redraw the newly exposed area. (not least because frontends don't currently have any concept of move a particular area) Regards Chris -- Cheers Roger I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one Inspector Cleuseau
Re: scrolling jerky
On 27 Apr 2012, Chris Young wrote: On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:23:18 +0100, Roger Darlington wrote: On 25 Apr 2012, Michael Drake wrote: In article be1b188652.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Scrolling very jerky on the vertical slider Please see my response to your previous scrolling thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org/msg03976.html Your google URL is the scrolling frames issue. Thanks for that Michael. I have increased the Cache from 20MB to 90MB, but there is still a very noticeable difference between scrolling the two versions of the very same page (neither of which get anywhere near 90MB it must be said...) Cache won't help, the issue is that core scrolls aren't optimised, so if you scroll a frame the entire contents of that frame will be redrawn - even if it is only scrolled a pixel. Conversely, if you scroll using the window scrollbar, the platform code handles the scroll. Usually the platform code is optimised, and will shift the area and just redraw the newly-exposed bit. Clearly NetSurf would benefit from some scrolling optimisation in the core, but I'm not sure if it is as easy as telling the frontend code to move a particular area and then redraw the newly exposed area. (not least because frontends don't currently have any concept of move a particular area) So the conclusion might be: Put the scrolling back where it was before and not in the core ?? Regards Chris -- Cheers Roger Mortons Fork: Should it be held in the left hand?
scrolling jerky
Scrolling very jerky on the vertical slider here: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Ferns.jpgimgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ferns.jpgusg=__rbgkyfcIqj_kb2rmiAQqpGz-ep4=h=1067w=1600sz=847hl=enstart=12zoom=1tbnid=2wjruNPJi1NpKM:tbnh=100tbnw=150ei=rE2YT6fNGI6f8gOY0Jz_BQprev=/images%3Fq%3Dferns%2Bimages%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26gbv%3D1%26ie%3DUTF-8%26tbm%3Dischitbs=1 But much smoother here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ferns.jpg Notice that other than the vertical scroll-bar, the two pages are identical, which makes comparison of scrolling speed easy, and the difference between tham is easily discernible. Netsurf r13571 -- Cheers Roger Lonely pen tops. Where are their pen pals?
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
On 5 Mar 2012, Dave Symes wrote: In article 796c566b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 4 Mar 2012, cj wrote: In article ef56486b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: http://www.bsbimaps.org.uk/atlas/main.php Then wait for the page to come up, press menu, and Save SaveAs and drag it to a disc Are you using 'Save' or 'Full save'? In either case I can save multiple pages - changing the leafname since the default is always the same. You will need to give a bit more info on exactly how you are doing things. Save only, not full save. There is no 'Full Save' in the Save SaveAs bit... I change the leaf-name in the Save dialog box. It doesn't crash until I drag and drop the save icon onto an open directory. I am on Iyonix RISC OS 5.18 and Netsurf r13502 Why don't you just right click on the Netsurf toolbar floppy disk icon? Dave Ooooh - you learn something every day. And saving it that way (even using the 8 months old version which I now have to use until f/8 save page in frames is re-fixed) doesn't crash it :-)) Well done that man :-)) The little things I fail to spot on apps... -- Cheers Roger SHOUTING is a Capital offence
configuring default a:link colour??
I have looked in the configure window and failed to spot a means of setting the default a:link colour. Can it be done? -- Cheers Roger Hubble bubble, Hoyle and trouble.
Re: configuring default a:link colour??
On 5 Mar 2012, Gavin Wraith wrote: In message 9c6dc76b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com you wrote: I have looked in the configure window and failed to spot a means of setting the default a:link colour. Can it be done? Edit the CSS files in !NetSurf.Resources ? Not sure which has precedence in the cascade. It doesn't seem to be immediately apparent which setting that is. The only #00f setting there is not the setting for the a:link normal text, but instead the underline. -- Cheers Roger Teetering on the drink...
Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
No matter which Netsurf I try (and I have tried r13506 and r12638) Netsurf always crashes just as I try to save the second page. It saves the first OK. But always crashes when the 'save' box comes up for saving a second page. Maybe it makes a difference which site I am saving from? In which case, I am using the input page of the BSBI site: http://www.bsbimaps.org.uk/atlas/main.php I type in a genera (here are a few valid ones for others to try: rumex, daucus, persicaria, mentha, geranium) Then wait for the page to come up, press menu, and Save SaveAs and drag it to a disc On the second go, it always crashes and exits with a log file, which I have saved, but baulk at the idea of sending it off - since I hear folk say it doesn't go easily, being too big I hear. Anyway, here are the last few lines of the log file: no_plugins:0 block_popups:0 image_memory_direct:-1 image_memory_compressed:-1 strip_extensions:0 confirm_overwrite:1 url_path:NetSurf:URL url_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.URL hotlist_path:NetSurf:Hotlist hotlist_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Hotlist recent_path:NetSurf:Recent recent_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Recent theme_path:NetSurf:Themes theme_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Themes thumbnail_iconise:1 interactive_help:1 Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault Stack backtrace: Running thread 0x486b30 ( 493ee0) pc: 340eb8 lr:7b494 sp: 493ee4 __write_backtrace() ( 493f10) pc:7b34c lr: 341668 sp: 493f14 ^ro_gui_signal() ( 493f38) pc: 341660 lr: 3415a8 sp: 493f3c __unixlib_exec_sig() ( 493fa0) pc: 341070 lr: 341c78 sp: 493fa4 __unixlib_raise_signal() ( 493fb0) pc: 341b80 lr:9a900 sp: 492b14 __h_cback() My machine is RO 4.39 Adjust, running via SA-RPC_VA_adjust on a Windows7 machine. -- Cheers Roger I'm walking slowly because I may be going in the wrong direction
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
On 4 Mar 2012, cj wrote: In article ef56486b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: http://www.bsbimaps.org.uk/atlas/main.php Then wait for the page to come up, press menu, and Save SaveAs and drag it to a disc Are you using 'Save' or 'Full save'? In either case I can save multiple pages - changing the leafname since the default is always the same. You will need to give a bit more info on exactly how you are doing things. Save only, not full save. There is no 'Full Save' in the Save SaveAs bit... I change the leaf-name in the Save dialog box. It doesn't crash until I drag and drop the save icon onto an open directory. I am on Iyonix RISC OS 5.18 and Netsurf r13502 -- Cheers Roger Free beer yesterday
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
On 4 Mar 2012, Steve Fryatt wrote: On 4 Mar, Roger Darlington wrote in message ef56486b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com: No matter which Netsurf I try (and I have tried r13506 and r12638) Netsurf always crashes just as I try to save the second page. It saves the first OK. But always crashes when the 'save' box comes up for saving a second page. Are you *absolutely* sure that you're running a recent version? That sounds very much like a bug that was fixed a while back, relating to setting up the save path when the dialogue was opened. Hi Steve, Yes, I am sure; I wouldn't have been able to get the r version number otherwise... Maybe it makes a difference which site I am saving from? Maybe. Something else to try: save the first page to the root of your hard disc (to keep the path short), then try to save a second page. Does that still crash? Also, could you put this on the bug tracker with a zipped copy of the full logfile? Unless someone else looks into it, it will be a couple of weeks before I have the time to do it and I'll forget otherwise. Well, I downloaded another new one, r13506, and that doesn't do it. The only thing that has changed is that I re-booted VA_RPC, so it seems to be a false alarm. Sorry. But I am sure it was crashing the same way as the one of about 6 months old, which is the one I use permanently now, because new ones still dont do f/8 to load the page when it is in frames. They only f8-load a fixed page from a frame, and not the page the mouse has just been clicked on. So that's why I am still using one of 6 - 8 months old. So it is possible that remnants of the 6-month old version which crashed repeatedly (and was re-run repeatedly) were interferring with the newly downloaded new one. I crashed the new version 8 times before writing. But, as I say, the new version is working fine wrt saving (but still not wrt f/8-ing in frames). So, apologies again, I should have re-booted the 'pooter between versions. -- Cheers Roger Today is yesterdays tomorrow and it's already gone
Scrolling windows using scroll bar...
Scrolling windows using the scroll bar seems to be slower than the versions of Netsurf 6 months prior to the present versions. Moreover, the scroll speed varies from about 70% as fast at first, to about 30% as fast after a few seconds of scrolling. It seems that the scrolling mechanism used is now different, and doesn't stimulate the processor (when used an VA_RPC-adjust) enough to stop the Intel cores on a Win7 machine from slowing down. The versions 6 months prior to this do stimulate the processor to work at maximum clock-rate when scrolling with the scroll bars. Firstly, am I correct in thinking that the method of scrolling has changed? And if so, how can the scrolling mechanism be altered to stimulate the processor core to always work at full revs rather than slow down after a while? Scrolling a Netsurf window with the mouse wheel always stimulates the processor cores to work flat out, and never slow down, so is it possible to make the scroll-bar scrolling to work similarly? -- Cheers Roger If I was going there, I wouldn't start from here.
Re: frames [on RISC OS]
On 18 Dec 2011, Steve Fryatt wrote: On 3 Oct, Roger Darlington wrote in message 02a8841c52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com: I have downloaded the latest test build r12932, and find that it treats frames in an entirely different way to what it test builds did less than 3 months ago. Positioning the mouse pointer over any one frame and rotating the scroll wheel used to scroll only the frame that it was underneath it; now it scrolls the whole caboodle, and reveals a previously unseen blank frame at the bottom. (??) Some of these issues have now been sorted in the RISC OS front-end, as of r13292. Indeed so Steve:-) Frames can be scrolled using the scrollbars and by dragging, as has always be the case. Yes, it now works properly as before (VA-RPC SA RO4.39). (NS r13437) When using the scroll bars to scroll, it is still noticeably slower than versions of Netsurf of 9? months previous, perhaps half as slow (or twice as jerky). Something has happened to the update speed. Can this ever be restored to its former responsiveness, or is it some consequence of the way NS now operates? In addition, they can now be scrolled using the keyboard.With frames, however, you'll see the effect described by Roger above: the whole site will simply scroll out of view and leave a blank work area in its place. No, it will now scroll without ever showing a blank work area:-)) I notice, however, that it doesn't clear the keyboard buffer when you release the Arrow Keys, but continues scrolling for some short period depending upon stored keys in the keyboard buffer. But it is not a big deal. Well done. Sterling work :-) -- Cheers Roger If I knew where I was I wouldn't be here
Re: frames
On 6 Oct 2011, Steve Fryatt wrote: On Thu, October 6, 2011 8:21 am, Roger Darlington wrote: I cannot see why it should scroll the whole caboodle at all, certainly scrolling it doesn't reveal anything of use to anyone. I think the way Netsurf works with frames at the moment is definitely 4 steps backwards to the way it used to work. I think it's worth pointing out that, at least AIUI, frames are currently a work in progress. When they worked, they were provided by the RISC OS front-end and so we were the only platform to have support. They are now provided by the core: this makes them available to all platforms, and simplifies the RISC OS code significantly (which as anyone who has looked at the code in question will know, is no bad thing). AFAIK, the internal APIs for things like scrolling are still being worked on, so at present support is still less complete (for RISC OS users) than it once was. Hopefully this should change over time, rather as the bookmarks, history and cookies windows returned to normal following their move into the core a while back. OK, many thanks Steve. I will keep downloading new ones... -- Cheers Roger Sailing on the Ship of Theseus across Heraclitus' River
frames
I have downloaded the latest test build r12932, and find that it treats frames in an entirely different way to what it test builds did less than 3 months ago. Positioning the mouse pointer over any one frame and rotating the scroll wheel used to scroll only the frame that it was underneath it; now it scrolls the whole caboodle, and reveals a previously unseen blank frame at the bottom. (??) It also scrolls (using the slider bars) much less smoothly, and rather more jerkily. I am looking at: Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ -- Cheers Roger Burning the midnight candle at both ends of the barrel
Re: Google error when using Netsurf??
On 28 Jul 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote: Using Netsurf, r12629, but also tried a different one, when entering any text in the Google Search box, I get: 403 Thats an error. Your client does not have permission to get URL /cse?cx=!partner-pub-2827028264017539%3A8068601809ie=UTF-8q=helpbtn G=Google+S earch from this server. That's all we know. This is an issue with Google and AdSense that I am currently in the process of resolving. For the mean time, you'll have to use a normal google search box rather than the one on the welcome page. I have tried making the home page of Netsurf http://www.google.co.uk/ but when I run Netsurf, it says 'failed to load stylesheet', and doesn't show any Google typing in box, which is odd, because http://www.google.co.uk/ works when its not the home-page. Any ideas? -- Cheers Roger I'm a mitochondriac
Re: Google error when using Netsurf??
On 28 Jul 2011, Rob Kendrick wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:18:39AM +0100, Roger Darlington wrote: Using Netsurf, r12629, but also tried a different one, when entering any text in the Google Search box, I get: 403 Thats an error. Your client does not have permission to get URL /cse?cx=!partner-pub-2827028264017539%3A8068601809ie=UTF-8q=helpbtn G=Google+S earch from this server. That's all we know. This is an issue with Google and AdSense that I am currently in the process of resolving. For the mean time, you'll have to use a normal google search box rather than the one on the welcome page. OK Rob, many thanks for swift response. -- Cheers Roger I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one Inspector Cleuseau
Re: Nsational Rail Enquiries
On 29 Apr 2011, Dave Lawton wrote: On Fri, April 29, 2011 6:06 pm, Roger Darlington wrote: Using Nat Rail Enquiries: http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/ You might find http://traintimes.org.uk/ (very kindly provided by Matthew Somerville) to be of more use I've come a cropper using that site; it seems not to scrape off some of the trains... or for longer journeys http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en HTH -- Cheers Roger If you feel weary after just 3 miles, you might be walking too slowly.
Shortcut for Save Location??
Steve, Is it possible for us to have a keyboard shortcut key for Page Save Location Ant URL / Acorn URI please. I don't know what other people think? but I am always saving URLs and it is quite frustratingly error-prone navigating the mouse to the 4th level. It would be nice if we could have a keyboard shortcut to either Ant URL or Acorn URI Is this an easy thing for you to do? I have no idea if it is or isn't myself... -- Cheers Roger Never use just one cooking pot when you can make do with all of them
Re: Shortcut for Save Location??
On 8 Mar 2011, John Williams wrote: In article 9a25cab051.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Is it possible for us to have a keyboard shortcut key for Page Save Location Ant URL / Acorn URI please. I don't know what other people think? but I am always saving URLs and it is quite frustratingly error-prone navigating the mouse to the 4th level. Does just Shift-dragging the URL bar not suffice? My favoured option! Why do I keep forgetting about that. I've never used that way yet. I must try and remember it. Gets to the same end for the Ant URL for me! Handy for my URLtoIE proglet too! Best wishes, John -- Cheers Roger Hubble bubble, Hoyle and trouble.
Complete mouse pointer freeze
Netsurf r11839, RO 4.39, VA-RPC-SA Adjust, When (accidentally) doing a Mouse Menu Button over a Netsurf HTML page Page Export Text I have twice experienced a complete mouse freeze which neither Alt-Enter not Alt-Gr-Brk release. A complete computer freeze-up occurs. Does anyone else experience this? -- Cheers Roger Dark Energy first came to light in 1998
Re: Complete mouse pointer freeze
On 6 Mar 2011, Steve Fryatt wrote: On 6 Mar, Roger Darlington wrote in message 8a4fb5af51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com: On 6 Mar 2011, Steve Fryatt wrote: Do you mean that you accidentally click Menu over the browser window, and then accidentally traverse to Page-Export-Text, or that you have the Export Text dialogue open and accidentally click Menu over it? The former It also sometimes freezes the RO mouse when I am on a website and I select a bit of text which is on the page by highlighting it in black, then Menu - SelectionSave. I can see how that might be broken, as the selection save dialogue prepare isn't (or wasn't, following my changes, until r11923) checking the correct values are in place before trying to do its stuff. Well, I'll get that download, thanks Steve. And if it occurs again I'll make sure I note exactly which website it was and the logfile. I have a sneaky feeling it may be something to do with greek characters on the page, but they are showing as greek on my Netsurf. -- Cheers Roger A proton is for life, not just for Christmas
Re: Error:Format of URL was incorrect
On 8 Jan 2011, cj wrote: In article c039489251.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: I have just spent another 10 minutes looking for Netsurfs logfile without finding it (either in its own !Netsurf directories, or in the Choices file). It must be somewhere, but I can't remember how to look at it without first making it crash. It is in !Scrap. On my machine the path is ADFS::Somerset2.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ID64126b01.WWW.Ne tSurf.Log OK, thanks Chris, found it. Here is what was in the NS logfile for that entry (I think, there are about 50 entries for sciencedirect): (2481.45) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 263: bw 0x3b84ef00, url http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_u di=B6TH7-42M7J5N-6R_user=10_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1988_rdoc=1_fmt=high_orig=s earch_origin=search_sort=d_docanchor=view=c_searchStrId=1595758522_rerunOr igin=google_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=5fb00d1ed2e 97f72963371eb3d917b18searchtype=a -- Cheers Roger Lonely pen tops. Where are their pen pals?
Error:Format of URL was incorrect
I can grab the URL of this page using Netsurf and save it as an ANT URL: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6TH7-42M7J5N-6R_user=10_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1988_rdoc=1_fmt=high_orig=search_origin=search_sort=d_docanchor=view=c_searchStrId=1595758522_rerunOrigin=google_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=5fb00d1ed2e97f72963371eb3d917b18searchtype=a But if I then click on the saved URL in Netsurf it will not re-load the page. The following error is issued by the URL: Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001] Looking at the URL in Netsurf, it is end-truncated. Obviously, Netsurf is having problems with the enormously long URL string, but it did manage to save it alright... -- Cheers Roger Remember: walls have ears.
Re: Wiki pages cut off on left.
On 3 Jan 2011, cj wrote: In article 6daab98f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On the Wiki page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoxanthin The molecule is truncated on the left. This is happening on several other Wiki pages, not just the one above. NS r11135, RO 4.39 VA-RPC / Win7. It is not just the molecule - there are two columns at the left not showing. They come into view if the page is made much wider (I use a 1920x1200 display). The page has a lot of javascript and a huge amount of CSS controlled table layout. It looks a nightmare so I didn't try to untangle it. I didn't try widening it; Wiki doesn't usually require it. But yes, if I widen it to 2560 x 1600 pixels I can see it all (although there are enormous horizontal borders around the .png file chemical structure) [actually, it only needs widening to 2100* pixels before everything is see-able - complete with ultra-wide borders around the png file]. *[Measured using Chris Johnsons excellent modification of David Pillings !Snapper, which makes a good quick pixel ruler] -- Cheers Roger I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one Inspector Cleuseau
Wiki pages cut off on left.
On the Wiki page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoxanthin The molecule is truncated on the left. This is happening on several other Wiki pages, not just the one above. NS r11135, RO 4.39 VA-RPC / Win7. -- Cheers Roger Burning the midnight candle at both ends of the barrel
over-written text on Wiki NS2.60.
when NS2.60 is used to view this Wiki page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achene Then the text and one or two graphics is over-written near the bottom of the page. -- Cheers Roger Scene one - seen 'em all. Scene two - seen too many.
NS2.60 and F8
this may be normal behaviour for any program (??) : If I use F8 to view a (local) HTML page in NS2.60, and I edit it, when I come to save it, it has not got the correct save address. But if I instead Menu ViewSource, then it does have the correct save address. -- Cheers Roger Where there's a Will, there's a Hey.
Re: Easy Font Pro says Netsurf attempting to change Font$Path
On 30 Jul 2010, cj wrote: In article 24c61c3f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Whichever way I answer, the next time I run Netsurf, I get asked the same question. Anyone know where and what I should change somewhere? I only ask here because it seems to be a specific to Netsurf. OvPro doesn't do this when run. Take a look in !Netsurf.!Run There are lines | Install NetSurf-specific fonts | NB: trailing dot is required FontInstall NetSurf:Resources.Fonts. Netsurf adds its own fonts to the FontPath. These fonts are then removed from FontPath when Netsurf is quit. If I did this, does this not mean I will have to remember to do this /every/ time I load the latest Netsurf? ... -- Cheers Roger A piece of string has two ends but no beginning
Re: Easy Font Pro says Netsurf attempting to change Font$Path
On 31 Jul 2010, Dave Symes wrote: In article 24c61c3f51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: I am new to Easy Font Pro, so it may just be a setting in that that I need to alter. I ave EFP run at boot up. Now whenever I run Netsurf, Easy Font Pro issues an error to the effect that it has detected that Netsurf wants to change the Font$path, and do I want to let it. Whichever way I answer, the next time I run Netsurf, I get asked the same question. Anyone know where and what I should change somewhere? I only ask here because it seems to be a specific to Netsurf. OvPro doesn't do this when run. Roger, I'm sure there's an Icon bar menu option something to do with this... Remove Folder where you enter the path to netsurf to catch the error or some such. Yes, when Netsurf is run, and I accept its Font$Dir changing question, an extra folder belonging to Netsurf appears in EFP. If I then remove that folder in EFP, and then quit and re-load Netsurf, the question still remains. In other words, eliminating the folder from EFP doesn't prevent the same problem recurring when Netsurf is next run. EFP still asks the same question. Sorry if this is not a Netsurf problem. Maybe if I take it to Comp.sys.apps... Sorry I don't have the EFP manual to hand, and for reasons stated in the private email recently, Fog prevents me remembering the detail. OK, no worry. Thanks for your help Dave. Dave -- Cheers Roger Who says tomorrow never comes; it came yesterday.
Re: Shortcut to Save Location as ANT URL?
On 30 Jul 2010, John Williams wrote: In article 1e9dcf3e51.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: If not, I wonder if one could be implemented please, as it is such a long, tedious, error-prone (slip off it and you have to start again) way to get there by mouse? Why not just Shift-drag from the URL field? An excellent idea. Wish I'd known about that method before Glad I asked a stupid question :-) Or is that also too mouse-based? No, just right. thanks. John -- Cheers Roger All good things come to an Ent. Hooom.
Easy Font Pro says Netsurf attempting to change Font$Path
I am new to Easy Font Pro, so it may just be a setting in that that I need to alter. I ave EFP run at boot up. Now whenever I run Netsurf, Easy Font Pro issues an error to the effect that it has detected that Netsurf wants to change the Font$path, and do I want to let it. Whichever way I answer, the next time I run Netsurf, I get asked the same question. Anyone know where and what I should change somewhere? I only ask here because it seems to be a specific to Netsurf. OvPro doesn't do this when run. -- Cheers Roger Visit Ellesmere Port Boat Museum
file:/// is now wrong
In Netsurf, version r8643, the following code, in a MessPro e-mail, works fine on my computer (accessing a local file): file:///ADFS::IYO4.$.~Mine.WFF.!WildFlowers.Flowers.Y/YellowStagsho rn/YellowStagshorn.htm But on subsequent versions of Netsurf, including r10589, it does not work. It gives 'file not found' a message issued by Netsurf. The file it is looking for is: /ADFS::IYO4.$.~Mine.WFF.!WildFlowers.Flowers.Y/YellowStagshorn/Yell owStagshorn.htm Note the leading '/'. This is where it is going wrong. It wont find the file because of this leading '/'. But if I omit one of the '/'s in the line in the e-mail thus: file://ADFS::IYO4.$.~Mine.WFF.!WildFlowers.Flowers.Y/YellowStagshor n/YellowStagshorn.htm It still doesn't work. I'm not surprised about the last bit of code, it is wrong, but the first bit should work, it worked before. -- Cheers Roger Mortons Fork: Should it be held in the left hand?
Both r8643 and r9782 go slow on this site.
If you click on the URL below, using an Iyonix RO 5.13 (I don;'t know what happens with other computers) then firstly nothing is ever displayed in NS, however long you wait. http://www.steves-digicams.com/hardware_reviews.html Steve's Digicams - Camera Reviews And, the computer goes about 10x slower afterwards. And, you cannot quit Netsurf. But even if you do manage to quit NetSurf (I did the first time), then the computer is still going about 10x slower. To make the computer go fast again you have to re-boot. Perhaps it uses Javascript... But whatever, something slows the computer down drastically, and wont let NS quit. -- Cheers Roger Time waits for no-one; except the man on the Black Hole Event Horizon.
Re: National Rail Enquiries site no longer works
On 26 Dec 2009, Dr Peter Young wrote: On 18 Dec 2009 Matthew Somerville matt...@dracos.co.uk wrote: Jim Nagel wrote: http://www.traintimes.org.uk/ ... Hmm, looks like it's encoding a trailing space into the URL it gets redirected to. Try removing any instance of %20 in the URL it sends when you to when you submit the form. contact him about this %20 problem via the link at top right of page. I've fixed the encoding of spaces in the station names, which I think is what's being referred to here. Thanks for letting me know. Unfortunately not working for me here; RISC OS 5.13 and NetSurf test build r9725. I get the 20s not in the station names, but between the date and time in the URL. Till today, I could manually edit these out and get a result, but now if I try this, they immediately go back in again! Thanks for your work, Matthew, on a very useful site. Have you tried again Peter? Matthew modified it yesterday because I was getting %20's between the station name and the date. Yesterday, he modified it to remove all spaces, wherever they occurred in the entry fields. It works fine for me now (Netsurf r8643, being the last one before it gobbles up memory). -- Cheers Roger Never ask a question for which you dont already know the answer.
National Rail Enquiries site no longer works
The Nat Rail enquiries site, used to work until they 'updated' it http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ Now, even though I enter a time for tomorrow, it gives me a time for today, or even says I cannot enter a time in the past. -- Cheers Roger Librarians are forever passing the book on to someone else.
Re: Superscript
On 25 Aug 2009, Dave Higton wrote: In message 48e97a9050.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 7 Aug 2009, Brian Howlett wrote: Hi all, Currently using r9045. After updating one of my sites, I found that somewhere in the last few releases, superscript tags like SUPth/SUP have stopped working. The font size appears smaller, but the text base-line is the same as the rest of the line. You mean they used to work on Netsurf? I have never seen superscripts work on Netsurf. I think superscripts and subscripts have been through various stages of partly working. There was a time when subscripts were rendered as superscripts. It's nice to see that they did start working recently. I've just tried both with r9432 and can report that they both worked for me. Good news indeed, my Y-squareds are no longer 2 atoms of Yttrium. However, I'm not using the latest (4 months worth of) test builds, since they seem to get the link colours wrong when they are in frames (but not when the very same page is out of a frame). -- Cheers Roger Feel rich. Smoke a diamond in your kimberlite pipe
Re: Link colours wrong in Frames.
On 26 Aug 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 21c0569050.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: For the last 3 or 4 months, the Test Builds are behaving differently with regard to the colour of text, when it is in a Frame. Please try r9460. Thanks for a very speedy response Michael. But I'm not sure how to do that. I can find something saying r9460, but the only thing I can seem to download is a short 34kB text file seeming to be content/c. And The [GO] button a bit further on doesn't seem to do anything. I tried the latest test build but get a serious error before it gets to the icon bar. The error log file is surprisingly short, so short, I could put it here as text: desktop/netsurf.c netsurf_init 125: version '2.1 (23 May 2009)' desktop/netsurf.c netsurf_init 132: NetSurf on RISC OS, node HOBBIT.FreeUK.com, release 5.13, version 1.0, machine armv5l desktop/netsurf.c lib_init 190: xmlParserVersion 20628, LIBXML_VERSION_STRING 20628 utils/filename.c filename_initialise 176: Temporary directory location: Wimp$ScrapDir/WWW/NetSurf/Cache content/urldb.c urldb_load 336: Loading URL file content/urldb.c urldb_load 483: Successfully loaded URL file rufl_init.c rufl_init 134: new font manager rufl_init.c rufl_init 150: 301 faces, 61 families rufl_init.c rufl_load_cache 1304: Cut not in font list http_proxy:0 http_proxy_host: http_proxy_port:8080 http_proxy_auth:0 http_proxy_auth_user: http_proxy_auth_pass: font_size:130 font_min_size:100 font_sans:Homerton font_serif:Trinity font_mono:Corpus font_cursive:Homerton font_fantasy:Sassoon accept_language:en accept_charset: memory_cache_size:6815743 disc_cache_age:28 block_advertisements:1 minimum_gif_delay:10 send_referer:1 animate_images:1 expire_url:21 font_default:0 ca_bundle:NetSurf:Resources.ca-bundle ca_path: cookie_file:NetSurf:Cookies cookie_jar:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Cookies homepage_url: url_suggestion:1 window_x:24 window_y:320 window_width:2454 window_height:1822 window_screen_width:3840 window_screen_height:2400 toolbar_status_size:5640 scale:100 incremental_reflow:1 min_reflow_period:100 max_fetchers:40 max_fetchers_per_host:10 max_cached_fetch_handles:6 suppress_curl_debug:1 target_blank:1 button_2_tab:1 margin_top:10 margin_bottom:10 margin_left:10 margin_right:10 export_scale:70 suppress_images:0 remove_backgrounds:0 enable_loosening:1 enable_PDF_compression:1 enable_PDF_password:0 use_mouse_gestures:0 allow_text_selection:1 theme:Qute language:en plot_fg_quality:128 plot_bg_quality:128 history_tooltip:1 toolbar_show_buttons:1 toolbar_show_address:1 toolbar_show_throbber:1 toolbar_browser:0123|548a6|79 toolbar_hotlist:401|23 toolbar_history:01|23 toolbar_cookies:0|12 window_stagger:0 window_size_clone:0 background_images:1 buffer_animations:1 buffer_everything:1 open_browser_at_startup:0 no_plugins:0 block_popups:1 image_memory_direct:-1 image_memory_compressed:-1 strip_extensions:0 confirm_overwrite:1 url_path:NetSurf:URL url_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.URL hotlist_path:NetSurf:Hotlist hotlist_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Hotlist recent_path:NetSurf:Recent recent_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Recent theme_path:NetSurf:Themes theme_save:Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Themes thumbnail_iconise:1 interactive_help:1 Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault Stack backtrace: Running thread 0x36f4c8 ( 3aee8c) pc: 188c28 lr: 23e578 sp: 3aee90 __write_backtrace() ( 3aeed4) pc: 23e3ac lr: 8874 sp: 3aeed8 ^ro_gui_signal() ( 3aeefc) pc: 8864 lr: 211ae4 sp: 3aef00 __unixlib_exec_sig() ( 3aefa0) pc: 211498 lr: 35a868 sp: 3aefa4 __unixlib_raise_signal() ( 3aefb0) pc: 35a778 lr: 1ff004e4 sp: 3ad5a4 __h_cback() Register dump at 003aefb4: a1: 370940 a2: 1ff00833 a3:6 a4: 1ff004e5 v1: 370940 v2: 357 v3: 6e51ca60 v4: 3a6a80 v5: 2b v6:0 sl: 3ad210 fp: 3ad5bc ip: 34f sp: 3ad5a4 lr: 1ff004e4 pc:19360 cpsr: 4010 0001934c : ... : 1a3c : BNE 00019444 00019350 : .0ã : e3813001 : ORR R3,R1,#1 00019354 : .0å : e5803000 : STR R3,[R0,#0] 00019358 : ..à : e08c100e : ADD R1,R12,R14 0001935c : .0å : e59c3004 : LDR R3,[R12,#4] 00019360 : . å : e5912004 : LDR R2,[R1,#4] 00019364 : ...ã : e3130001 : TST R3,#1 00019368 : .`Âã : e3c26003 : BIC R6,R2,#3 0001936c : ,... : 0a2c : BEQ 00019424 ( 3ad5bc) pc:1931c lr:1a378 sp: 3ad5c0 free_unlocked() ( 3ad5d4) pc:1a34c lr: 250ce4 sp: 3ad5d8 free() ( 3ad624) pc: 250730 lr: 275954 sp: 3ad628 ^rufl_load_cache() ( 3adb74) pc: 2755a4 lr: 23ec84 sp: 3adb78 rufl_init() ( 3adc9c) pc: 23ebb4 lr: 175790 sp: 3adca0 nsfont_init() ( 3ade44) pc: 175280 lr: 2479e8 sp: 3ade48 gui_init() ( 3adfb8) pc: 247938 lr: 247bc0 sp: 3adfbc netsurf_init() ( 3adfc8) pc: 247bb4 lr: 247c24 sp: 3adfcc netsurf_main
Re: Link colours wrong in Frames.
On 26 Aug 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 1425ee9050.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Please try r9460. But I'm not sure how to do that. It's a revision number, referring to a development version. You can see the revision number in the Info box from the iconbar menu in development builds. I meant try any development build of revision r9460 or greater, or try the latest build. :) I tried the latest test build but get a serious error before it gets to the icon bar. From the log below, it looks like you got the latest release instead of the latest development build. The error log file is surprisingly short, so short, I could put it here as text: desktop/netsurf.c netsurf_init 125: version '2.1 (23 May 2009)' Version 2.1 is a release, not a development build. Ooops, I thought I had downloaded the Test Build. I've done it succesfully many times before, but must have downloaded the other by mistake. Now got r9460 and it works a treat :-) Excellent! -- Cheers Roger SHOUTING is a Capital offence
Link colours wrong in Frames.
For the last 3 or 4 months, the Test Builds are behaving differently with regard to the colour of text, when it is in a Frame. To show you what I mean See: http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ All the clickable text in the 1st and 2nd and 3rd columns is in the wrong colour. It is displayed as bright blue, rather than dull purple. To see what I mean, Try downloading JUST ONE page from the 1st column and run that in Netsurf without it being in a frame. You see what I mean. It is a different colour when not in a frame. With Netsurfs previous to about 4 months ago this problem did not occur. I cannot exclude the possibility that there is something wrong with my code, but Netsurf certainly displays it differently when it's in a frame than when it isn't. Can anyone figure out why please? If there's something wrong with my code, I'd like to get it sorted, but I suspect there isn't and that it is Netsurf that is at fault. I have duplicated the colours because different browsers ignore different things, so I had to make it so all browsers display the same colours. They did, until 4 months ago when the new Netsurfs stopped. All other browsers I have tried it one behave normally. -- Cheers Roger Never repeat a measurement if you want the same answer
Re: Superscript
On 7 Aug 2009, Brian Howlett wrote: Hi all, Currently using r9045. After updating one of my sites, I found that somewhere in the last few releases, superscript tags like SUPth/SUP have stopped working. The font size appears smaller, but the text base-line is the same as the rest of the line. You mean they used to work on Netsurf? I have never seen superscripts work on Netsurf. -- Cheers Roger Save money on phone-bills: Talk faster
Speed of loading NetSurf
Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. Whilst I appreciate that the 10 times greater length of time spent running NetSurf may allow Netsurf to perform (when already running) much faster than Oregano2, is there any way of speeding up the loading/running of NetSurf? Both weigh in at about 5MB total of code. [Running NetSurf 2.1 (but any other version takes about the same length of time).] -- Cheers Roger If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else.
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. This can happen if you have a vast global history or collection of cookies. If you go to global history window and the cookie window and manager and delete unwanted stuff, does it get faster? Global history: [iconbar menu] Open Show global history Cookie manager: [iconbar menu] Open Show cookies Second response: Could it be the size of my NetSurf Memory cache, which is set at 6.4MB? -- Cheers Roger My friends think I'm surreal, but I've never been near a sword
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 0a92786250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Second response: Could it be the size of my NetSurf Memory cache, which is set at 6.4MB? That shouldn't matter. Please could you zip up and e-mail me the contents of your Choices directory for NetSurf. You can find it by double clicking OpenChoices in NetSurf's application directory. OK, have sent that privately Michael. This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. -- Cheers Roger Oh no! I've only just managed to get it all in of kilter.
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: OK, have sent that privately Michael. Thanks. This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files.. The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to remember a year of browsing history. In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. I'm not sure why we put that option in the Security section. OK, thanks Michael. with the scrapfile cache deleted, and it set to 28 days, it loads in a matter of 2 seconds :-)) -- Cheers Roger Do you Yahoo? Not if I can help it, but I do yell the occasional 'Yabbadabba Doo'
Re: 'back' behaviour in framesets
On 30 Apr 2009, Richard Porter wrote: On 30 Apr 2009 Roger Darlington wrote: On 29 Apr 2009, Richard Porter wrote: Netsurf's behaviour is a little bit inconsistent or at least inconvenient with framesets. For example go to http://www.bestmoments.at/catago/BestMoments/FE/Index/index and click on ZU DEN BILDERN. The main frame changes but the back icon is not enabled. However the menu allows you to select Navigate Back one page. Having gone back to the first page the reverse applies and you can go forward one page using the menu but not the toolbar icon. You need to click Menu in the main frame, so I can see what's happening but it's not particularly helpful. It would be better if the forward and back icons let you step through the 'pages' actually seen regardless of their structure. I think most browsers do this. By experimentation with one of my framed sites (no comments on my implementation of these sites please!) the way Netsurf has implemented forward/back via menu allows you to click 'menu' over the frame-pane that you wish to go backwards/forwards on. So, you could click on any frame-pane. Yes but unless you click on the frame that was last updated you won't get the desired result. Unfortunately, it doesn't update the menu pane when you click using 'right-click' - you have to click menu again to enable further navigation of the same frame-pane. Do you mean clicking on the right arrow? No, right mouse click on NavigateBackOnePage so that the menu stays up on screen. The BackOnePage item disappears (is greyed out) even if you have two BackOnePages to go to. It only works if you go back from the frameset to an earlier page, from where you can only return to the initial state of the frameset. However, Netsurf developers could implement this way of working and still use the navigate buttons, which is what they are there for after all: Click on the frame-pane you wish to navigate, then click on the appropriate Navigate button. That would be a possibility. Following a link in a frameset can only update one frame, so it should be fairly easy to track in the history. The browser needs to record the target frame, but it must already hold the information for each frame so that shouldn't be too difficult. The tricky bit is when you leave the frameset for another page and then try to go back to it in the same state that you left it in. You'd need to go back and find what object was last loaded into each frame (and framesets can be nested). And in my web-pages, the frames are nested. Oh well. Good job there's a brain behind the mouse which can also remember... -- Cheers Roger I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one Inspector Cleuseau
monospaced font?
I'm looking for a monospaced font that works in Netsurf. Is there one? I've tried PRE TT CODE and KBD but none of those seem to. -- Cheers Roger I'm a mitochondriac
Re: Layout of this site?
On 13 Mar 2009, Frank de Bruijn wrote: In article e1li79z-0009oo...@pr-webmail-2.demon.net, nets...@helpful.demon.co.uk wrote: roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Taking an example from the site below: http://www.british-wild-flowers.co.uk/H-Flowers/Herb%20Robert.htm What aspect of either Netsurf or of the site in question makes the layout so appalingly awful in Netsurf? With captions well away from the photo in question, and often overlaid and half-obscured by other bits or even only the bottom half of the text visible. The layout is similarly all over the place in Firefox3 on Windows. So it looks like it is the site that has the problem rather than NetSurf. In Netsurf and Firefox the images 'flow' onto the next 'line', just like text would if the window wasn't wide enough. IE and Opera display them side by side, even if that forces people to scroll the window sideways. I haven't checked what 'the standards' say about that. The captions have absolute positioning, so they end up more or less where they were supposed to be. Their visibility depends on the CSS z-index. I don't know whether Netsurf supports that. Solution? Use absolute positioning for the images as well or redesign the site (forcing people to scroll browser windows sideways is evil). Oh, well, I'll leave it up to you to tell them that :-) -- Cheers Roger If I was going there, I wouldn't start from here.
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 20 Feb 2009, Bryan Hogan wrote: In message 1da8842e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: You may find screen usage statistics interesting: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp Half of users are still on 1024 or less horizontal pixels. Conversely, the other half are still on 1024 horizontal pixels, or more :-)) Just because that is the size of my screen does not mean that is the size of my browser window. I hate websites that assume the two are the same. Thank you so much for your help. My graphics refresh problem has been kindly solved by Michael Drake. -- Cheers Roger Free beer yesterday
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
On 16 Feb 2009, Keith Hopper wrote: In article 920b6d2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 1 Feb 2009, Keith Hopper wrote: In article e45ef42650.r...@user.minijem.plus.com, Richard Porter r...@minijem.plus.com wrote: [snip] Yes, but Netsurf still inserts a space after an end tag - It doesn't if that end tag is /i. So a line like ithis/i with 'this' in italics and a space before the 'with' shows 'thiswith' all next to each other with no space between. How quirky! I must admit to never using the 'i' element as it has been deprecated for some years - but interesting. That so? What single TAG replaces it? But whatever it is, I'm willing to bet Netserf will behave the same way. -- Cheers Roger Vehicles for Roads, Pedestrians for Pavements
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 16 Feb 2009, Michael Drake wrote: In article 5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: If I visit (on my hard drive) numerouus pages of my wild flower website (URL above) which uses a lot of jpegs on one page, and first visit a lot of pages with loads of jpegs on each, then scroll up and down a page with 8 or so jpegs on it, eventually the images will start to break up, un-able to keep up with the scrolling/refreshing, and show a horizontal venetian blind effect, consisting of repeated sections of the same image separated by 1/4 inch or so, to form a venetian blind. Do you use Geminus? If so, open its Choices and in the Accelerarion options, add an entry for NetSurf if there isn't one already and make sure the 2nd and 3rd options are unticked for NetSurf. Aha. I do indeed run Geminus. Many thanks Michael. Now 2/3rds un-ticked :-) -- Cheers Roger SHOUTING is a Capital offence
Re: Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: In article ef3d6d2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 3 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I have found an even simpler case: html.(iitalic/i normal)./html I refer to the extra space which coincides with the i. And doesn't it also miss out the space between /i and 'normal' - it does here... I don't think so. The reduced space between c and n is due to the proximity of an italic and normal typeface. So shouldn't Netsurf, knowing that there is reduced space, insert a bit more space . double space, for instance? -- Cheers Roger Live each tomorrow as if there were no today
Re: SUP abd SUB
On 11 Feb 2009, David H Wild wrote: In article 502c1997a2lists-nos...@vigay.com, Paul Vigay lists-nos...@vigay.com wrote: I know these aren't implemented yet - but a supreme example of a page that needs them is http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/125/3/466 I lookad at why words werre eliding would you believe it's filled with SUP /SUP .. what on earth is a superscript space for? Are you sure they're not implemented? I get them ok on the page above. In fact, I've used them quite extensively on a site that I've just built for a customer - www.hypermaths.org/cropcircles/chapter5/ (amongst others) and they all appear to work ok. They are implemented. The real problem with this site is that the superscript spaces - weird things - are not recognised by Netsurf as being spaces. As Richard asked, what is the purpose of a superscript space? They're NOT implemented (look at the Subject - it mentions both SUB and SUP) Well, to be more precise, superscripts are implemented, but subscripts are implemented as superscripts! So, for instance, carbon dioxide, CO2, if done properly in html always appears as carbon monoxide squared. See one of the pages in my isotope info website below for numerous examples. http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ElementText/i16.htm This subject (mis-working of SUB) crops up regularly, about every 3 months. I first reported it about 20 months ago. -- Cheers Roger Leave nothing but your footprints and your mind.
Re: Graphics refresh problem
On 16 Feb 2009, Richard Ashbery wrote: In article 1da8842e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: On 16 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: In article 5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new screen. At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the columnar frames suddenly appeared. This problem has been reported to Netsurf about a year ago.I t's a Netsurf problem, no other browser exhibits it, not even O2. I've looked at it on Firefox on the PC with a 1280 x 1024 monitor and guess what I am unable to see the fourth frame. The problem to which I was replying, Richard, is the second half of Tims response: in that IF you have set Netserf to open a window at less that 1098 pixels, then NONE of the lower frames are displayed until you widen the window yourself. This happens even if you have a 1920 pixel wide monitor. No other browser I have seen (not Firefox nor Safari, nor Explorer, nor Fresco, nor Oregano2) behave this way. Netserf will close all the lower columns again if you make the window narrower than 1098 pixels. Luckily I know Rogers excellent site Many thanks for the compliment Richard. If you have any good flower photographs to contribute, you are welcome to submit them. All contributions acknowledged. so I know there is a fourth frame. If you scroll down the third frame there is some text about how to see it. I usually click on Maximise and the fourth screen magically appears (or most of it). I must confess I quite like the frame layout - it seems to suit the subject well but really requires a wide screen to make the most of it. I think you can also scale most browsers such that it is scaled at less than unity magnification. It will then fit on a 1024 pixel wide screen. Regards Richard -- Cheers Roger My friends think I'm surreal, but I've never been near a sword
Re: Double-clicking on text in the Google writeable icon
On 12 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Double-clicking the mouse button over text in the Google writeable icon does not select the text so that the next letter I write in it deletes the previous text. This does work for the URL writeable icon, but not for the Google search writeable icon. Is it supposed to? Writable icons in web pages (text inputs and textareas) do not support this behaviour because there is currently no code in NetSurf to do it. Please submit a feature request.. The behaviour of writable icons in NetSurf's RISC OS front end is handled by the OS. Therefore these writable icons support this behaviour if you run NetSurf on a version of the OS that supports it (ROL OS since Select 3), or you run some module that provides similar functionality on other versions of RISC OS. Many thanks for your answer Michael What you write doesn't make any sense to me, since what you write does not explain why it DOES work for the 'URL input' writeable icon, but DOESN'T work for the 'Search Google' wtriteable icon, ON THE SAME COMPUTER ?? -- Cheers Roger Hubble bubble, Hoyle and trouble.
Re: Double-clicking on text in the Google writeable icon
On 13 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you write doesn't make any sense to me, since what you write does not explain why it DOES work for the 'URL input' writeable icon, but DOESN'T work for the 'Search Google' wtriteable icon, ON THE SAME COMPUTER ?? Assuming by the former you mean the URL bar in NetSurf's toolbar, then it's a WIMP writable icon. It's behaviour is not NetSurf's jurisdiction. The latter is a form element within a web page and does not use the RISC OS WIMP. It is entirely implemented by NetSurf. Ah. Thanks Michael. Now I understand. -- Cheers Roger Don't play with your food - play with somebody else's.
todo list??
I seem to be totally unable to find the ToDo list, or other things like that now. What is more, the search bar in Netsurf is also (via Google) unable to find a (working) ToDo list. Is there one now? -- Cheers Roger I'm a mitochondriac
hovering the mouse doesn't show 'alt' text.
In an image map, hovering the mouse over a part of the image does not
show the alt=text text.
For example, go to:
http/::wildflowerfinder.org.uk
and hover the mouse over the pretty coloured icons in the Top Left
hand corner.
Is it supposed to?
Or is this a feature that is pending?
{i notice that it says RiscOS features are complete, so maybe this
isn't a RiscOS feature??
[Netsurf r5291, Iyonix, RO 5.13.]
--
Cheers
Roger
Visit Ellesmere Port Boat Museum
Double-clicking on text in the Google writeable icon
Double-clicking the mouse button over text in the Google writeable icon does not select the text so that the next letter I write in it deletes the previous text. This does work for the URL writeable icon, but not for the Google search writeable icon. Is it supposed to? NS r5291, Iyonix RO 5.13. -- Cheers Roger If windfarms on the hills are fine then put some on The South Downs too.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 6 Sep 2008, Tim Hill wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, etc) do search more than just the frameset... Good for them. Just because they work one way.. What's the point to developing a new browser (or anything for that matter) which is no better than being the same as every other boring piece of windows crap? Software development is not limited to emulation. Something is not good just because 95% of idiots think so. I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? It is not confused. You are. ;-) And of course, it finds nothing... . . . because it's the scale view tool! :-D What rubbish!!! When you press it, up comes a 'Find box!! Is it you who is confused? -- Cheers Roger Do you Yahoo? Not if I can help it, but I do yell the occasional 'Yabbadabba Doo'
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008, Richard Ashbery wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: [snip] That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported ages ago. No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times before, only Netsurf. Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf. This does look like a bug in NetSurf.. A word of caution - I have just transferrred the URL to Firefox on a PC. If I didn't know there was a Subject index frame on the right-hand-side of the page I might not have automatically enlarged it to see if anything was missing. My default Firefox browser page displays just three frames. But on the 3rd column it tells you that there is a 4th column, and how to view it if you can't see it :-)) Incidentally - that's one hell of a database you have accumulated. Well done. Thanks Richard. But if it is one hell of a database, then when it is finished it will be 20 hells of a database, for I have only got 1/20th into writing it. Photographs of flowers from other parts of the contry are welcome, and will be fully acknowledged in the WildFlowerFinder.org.uk database. -- Cheers Roger Today is yesterdays tomorrow and it's already gone
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 6 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot find a 'scale view' button in the 'Qute' theme I am using. I *think* it has one. Over the toolbar, do Menu Edit toolbar and you should be able to drag whichever icons you want to the toolbar or remove ones you don't use. Aha, yes Michael, it does indeed have one. It is shown as a starfish. The Qute theme defiantly lacks the Up icon, so you won't be able to enable that if you use that theme. Yes, it does seem to only have 11 icons, whereas the other themes have 12 icons to select. I wonder if I could somehow edit the theme so that it has the 12th item. I'll have a look. See the toolbar customisation section of the documentation for more info http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#ConfigurationToolbar Thanks Michael. -- Cheers Roger Where there's a hill, there's a way.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. That is yet another bug in Netsurf that should have been reported ages ago. No other browser behaves like this, as I have said many times before, only Netsurf. Therefore I believe it is another bug in Netsurf. -- Cheers Roger Free beer yesterday
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 4 Sep 2008, Richard Porter wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Dr Peter Young wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Richard Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Sep 2008 Roger Darlington wrote: I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? That site doesn't work for me at all. I just see the banner at the top, part of which overwrites other parts. The rest of the screen is blank. With NetSurf, you have to scale the page down; 90% works here for me. And searching within a frame works here too. Right. The problem is that you can't scroll the whole frameset horizontally, and the individual frames can't be scrolled so NetSurf just gives up. I had to scale down to 70% to get the index frame in, although it will display some frames at 90% and full screen width. Other browsers have no such hangups with this site, and can display it. i think it is a bug in Netsurf. My inclination would be to greatly simplify and split up that page, and do away with frames altogether. I can't see the point of the noframes section - surely it would be better to provide links to the main index and search facilities. Are there any browsers where you can turn frames off? -- Cheers Roger Remember: walls have ears.
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this case and therefore has no content. Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, etc) do search more than just the frameset... I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? And of course, it finds nothing... -- Cheers Roger Don't put off today what you could do tomorrow
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
On 3 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NetSurf, it appears, will search un-framed sites, but not framed ones. Click in the frame you want to search and either press F4 or do Menu Utilities Find text. I have already tried that: it doesn't work in; Wild Flowers http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ Did it work for you?? -- Cheers Roger Today is yesterdays tomorrow and it's already gone
iword/i another few words
when I put words in italics, using iword/i another word then NS does not put in sufficient clear space between word and another word in fact it reads: wordanother word -- Cheers Roger Hubble bubble, Hoyle and trouble.
Re: netsurf buttonbar
On 5 Jan 2008, Michael Drake wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Howlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Jan, Richard Porter wrote: [snip] Is it possible to make a dragable icon like the little globe on Oregano, so that you can drag the URL onto another browser or an editor window? You don't need a button - just drag from anywhere in the address bar and drop wherever you want. Unless you're using Select or any of ROL's other names for RO4 with Select features. Select's text selection in writable icons feature stops URL bar dragging from working, unless you hold Shift or Ctrl as you drag. If you hold both down at once you start moving the whole URL writeable icon entry box! Select drag saves as URL file. You mean 'Shift drag' rather than 'Select drag' ?? Ctrl drag saves as text file. As does drag without any key. Michael -- Cheers Roger James Brindley discovered canals when he accidentally fell into one.
Re: Background colours
On 16 Dec 2007, Tim Hill wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave Symes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a problem... guess there is an answer but can't seem to find it. Silly people Guilty m'lud. create sites with black backgrounds, then plonk grey text on it... or Dark blue text. oops www.tightfittheatre.co.uk/index.htm In Oregano, If I tick Off the Use Document colours the black background is replaced with white and I can see the grey text. Okay, so our text isn't the darkest blue in Netsurf, and there's more white than grey text. Is it legible? Is there a comparable option in NetSurf? I'm using NS (02 Dec 2007 06:00) Maybe NS assumes eyes and a monitor of the highest quality? ;-) (There are times I would like to apply gamma adjustment to web pages, to see dark pictures or over-exposed ones without having to download and fiddle with an editor. Not such a problem with my new spectacles. ;-)) I wonder how many web sites are developed on new LCDs, rather than ratty old ray-tubes such as the example on my right: it has an okay picture as long as the case has a sharp blow once in a while. It struggles with the RiscPC's apparently 'weak' output and it's old, it's burnt in and it's dying. checks all web sites on CRT Nope, they look okay to me. But wait! Netsurf renders the colours wrongly and the _always_underlined_links_ are dark blue, rather than the chosen hue of pale green (see any other browser). So you maybe don't need to be able to disable colours, you perhaps need to be able to turn them on!!! Its pale green here (CRT, NS 28Dec07) Someone else can hunt around the bug-tracker for that one, I'm off to bed. -- Cheers Roger If you don't know where you're going, you'll end up somewhere else.
Re: netsurf buttonbar
On 6 Jan 2008, Evan Clark wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you're using Select or any of ROL's other names for RO4 with Select features. Select's text selection in writable icons feature stops URL bar dragging from working, unless you hold Shift or Ctrl as you drag. If you hold both down at once you start moving the whole URL writeable icon entry box! That could be because you have the MoveWindow module loaded. Oooh yes. So I do. Is there a use for this module (other than to accidentally move Netserfs text entry box?). I wonder why I have it loaded. I assume it must do something useful somewhere (other than confound users unexpectedly). -- Cheers Roger Visit Ellesmere Port Boat Museum
background colour in TABLEs ?
In HTML like: TABLE width=548 border=1 bgcolour=#eeffee P text etc /TABLE The background table colour is ignored. I have looked at the Progress page, and it mentions TABLES Elements col, colgroup, rowgroup and caption not implemented. It doesn't seem to mention background colour as not being implemented. [O2 doesn't ignore it, nor do other browsers I have tried]. Is the HTML legal? -- Cheers Roger All good things come to an Ent. Hooom.
Re: Background colours
On 6 Jan 2008, Tim Hill wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roger Darlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip] Nope, they look okay to me. But wait! Netsurf renders the colours wrongly and the _always_underlined_links_ are dark blue, rather than the chosen hue of pale green (see any other browser). So you maybe don't need to be able to disable colours, you perhaps need to be able to turn them on!!! Its pale green here (CRT, NS 28Dec07) It should be. The rest of this thread will reveal why, particularly Message with ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know, I'm not complaining. I'm telling the person who says its dark blue. -- Cheers Roger I'm a mitochondriac
Re: No default magnification
On 13 Aug 2007, Brian Jordan wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Sprangers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear developers, At some point, builds since the beginning of August fail to take the default scale factor into account. I have a default magnification of 150% (manually set in the choices file), but since a few days, NetSurf overrules this by displaying everything at 100%. I'd love to see a fix. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers Out of interest,why do you set this manually in the choices file? I have scaling set at 120% set via the Display - Scale view menu. This sets the relevant line in the choices file to option_scale:120. Remember to Save as default though. Whilst we are on this, why is it set permanently there? Why is it not also set in Choices [Display] Of course, a new [display] icon would then be needed. -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ Bury Hut http://buryhut.members.beeb.net/ Wild Flowers http://rdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Occams Razor: Is it a double-edged sword?
