Re: Hotlist window issue

[Harriet Bazley]

On 28 Aug 2023 as I do recall,
  Rob Kendrick  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:37:26PM +0100, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> > I've just noticed that the same thing applies to the global history
> > window - if I check that in WinEd, the history window in the Templates
> > file has *neither* 'Allow off screen' nor 'Keep on screen' flags set.
> 
> Both of these use the "tree" template, whose source can be found here:
>   
> http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/frontends/riscos/templates/en#n2605

Thanks for the pointer - I've spent a lot of time fiddling around with
the settings of those two flags in !NetSurf.Resources.en.Templates.tree,
and so far as I can tell the only setting that can prevent the window
from resizing itself off the bottom of the screen is to have 'Keep on
screen' (bit 13) ON and 'Allow off screen' (bit 6) OFF.  Which is rather
more stringent than actually desirable, because it then makes it
impossible for any part of that window ever to be outside the screen
ever, which is *not* normal Wimp behaviour, but it's the only
combination of flags that appears to produce the desired result of
jumping up to the top of the screen to use the maximum visible area when
the size is toggled.

I can only assume that the 'standard' RISC OS behaviour (as displayed by
NetSurf's main browser window for instance) of forcing the window
onscreen when the user requests a toggle to maximum size, but permitting
it to be dragged partially offscreen thereafter, requires some kind of
application redraw rather than being handled entirely by the WIMP?

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Re: Hotlist window issue

[Rob Kendrick]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 11:37:26PM +0100, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> I've just noticed that the same thing applies to the global history
> window - if I check that in WinEd, the history window in the Templates
> file has *neither* 'Allow off screen' nor 'Keep on screen' flags set.

Both of these use the "tree" template, whose source can be found here:

http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/frontends/riscos/templates/en#n2605

(And similar in the other languages.)

B.
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Re: Hotlist window issue

[Harriet Bazley]

On 27 Aug 2023 as I do recall,

Christian Ludlam  wrote:

>
> > On 27 Aug 2023, at 22:42, Harriet Bazley  wrote:
> > 
> > On 27 Aug 2023 as I do recall,
> >  Frederick Bambrough  wrote:
> > 
> >> Is this a known bug?
> >> 
> >> Hotlist ignores 'Allow windows off screen' configuration settings when
> >> 'off screen' is disallowed. It moves freely off screen in all directions
> >> except 'top' where it stops with the top edge of the title bar off screen.
> >> 
> >> Other NetSurf windows do as expected.

[snip]

> > The hotlist simply expands downwards from its current position, which
> > causes the resize icon and bottom scroll arrow to disappear off the
> > bottom of the screen, which under RISC OS means that you *can't* then
> > resize it manually to make the bottom items accessible again….
> > 
> 
> I think both problems are controlled by bit 6 of the window flags - if you
> have a template editor you may be able to fix this.

I've just noticed that the same thing applies to the global history
window - if I check that in WinEd, the history window in the Templates
file has *neither* 'Allow off screen' nor 'Keep on screen' flags set.

These two are confusing:
https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/17817#posts-139923
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Re: Hotlist window issue

[Christian Ludlam]

> On 27 Aug 2023, at 22:42, Harriet Bazley  wrote:
> 
> On 27 Aug 2023 as I do recall,
>  Frederick Bambrough  wrote:
> 
>> Is this a known bug?
>> 
>> Hotlist ignores 'Allow windows off screen' configuration settings when
>> 'off screen' is disallowed. It moves freely off screen in all directions
>> except 'top' where it stops with the top edge of the title bar off screen.
>> 
>> Other NetSurf windows do as expected.
>> 
> I reported an offscreen-hotlist-related window issue back in 2021.  It
> has never been acknowledged, let alone confirmed or resolved (and it's
> still present, and as annoying as ever).
> https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2831
> 
> Its is not normal RISC OS behaviour for the 'toggle window size' icon to
> expand the window *beyond the edge of the screen*, whatever the 'Allow
> windows off screen' configuration is, and indeed other NetSurf windows
> behave as expected - you can drag them manually so that portions are
> off-screen, but as soon as you toggle the size they expand to the
> largest possible size that will fit on the screen (moving to the top of
> the screen if necessary in order to fit in the maxmimum-size window) but
> no larger.
> 
> The hotlist simply expands downwards from its current position, which
> causes the resize icon and bottom scroll arrow to disappear off the
> bottom of the screen, which under RISC OS means that you *can't* then
> resize it manually to make the bottom items accessible again….
> 

I think both problems are controlled by bit 6 of the window flags - if you
have a template editor you may be able to fix this.

Christian

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Re: Hotlist window issue

[Harriet Bazley]

On 27 Aug 2023 as I do recall,
  Frederick Bambrough  wrote:

> Is this a known bug?
> 
> Hotlist ignores 'Allow windows off screen' configuration settings when
> 'off screen' is disallowed. It moves freely off screen in all directions
> except 'top' where it stops with the top edge of the title bar off screen.
> 
> Other NetSurf windows do as expected.
> 
I reported an offscreen-hotlist-related window issue back in 2021.  It
has never been acknowledged, let alone confirmed or resolved (and it's
still present, and as annoying as ever).
https://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2831

Its is not normal RISC OS behaviour for the 'toggle window size' icon to
expand the window *beyond the edge of the screen*, whatever the 'Allow
windows off screen' configuration is, and indeed other NetSurf windows
behave as expected - you can drag them manually so that portions are
off-screen, but as soon as you toggle the size they expand to the
largest possible size that will fit on the screen (moving to the top of
the screen if necessary in order to fit in the maxmimum-size window) but
no larger.

The hotlist simply expands downwards from its current position, which
causes the resize icon and bottom scroll arrow to disappear off the
bottom of the screen, which under RISC OS means that you *can't* then
resize it manually to make the bottom items accessible again


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Hotlist window issue

[Frederick Bambrough]

Is this a known bug?

Hotlist ignores 'Allow windows off screen' configuration settings when
'off screen' is disallowed. It moves freely off screen in all directions
except 'top' where it stops with the top edge of the title bar off screen.

Other NetSurf windows do as expected.

RISC OS 5.29, RPi 4, NetSurf 3.11 (Dev CI #5442)
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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Nick Roberts]

In message <5ea82c6b-73ca-6728-a118-e7111d094...@codethink.co.uk>
   Michael Drake <michael.dr...@codethink.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> On 28/04/17 11:18, Michael Drake wrote:
> >
> > We could change it not to save the hotlist on exit when
> > an external hotlist manager is used, since that would
> > be a simple change.
> 
> Done.

You are a star 8-)

I'll get to tweaking BookMaker so it no longer blocks save if NetSurf
is running.


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Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Michael Drake]

On 28/04/17 11:18, Michael Drake wrote:


We could change it not to save the hotlist on exit when
an external hotlist manager is used, since that would
be a simple change.


Done.

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Michael Drake]

On 28/04/17 10:51, Michael Drake wrote:


In any case, I can make it more robust by consulting the
external hotlist option before removing from the hotlist.


Actually it already does that, so NetSurf shouldn't be saving
the hotlist when the hotlist is edited, when configured to
use an external hotlist manager, however, it will still
save the hotlist on exit.

We could change it not to save the hotlist on exit when
an external hotlist manager is used, since that would
be a simple change.

Adding support for querying the external hotlist about
whether it has a URL and removing URLs from external
requires more work, and would need a RISC OS developer.

If there are any developers interested in working on the
RISC OS front end, they would be most welcome.  None of
NetSurf's core developers use RISC OS, so we have trouble
maintaining and supporting it.

Cheers,

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Michael Drake]

On 27/04/17 18:03, Michael Drake wrote:


On 26/04/17 18:30, Nick Roberts wrote:


Can you just confirm that NetSurf doesn't save the file if there is an
external hotlist manager?


I don't know, off the top of my head.  I'm unfamiliar with the
external hotlist option.  If I have time tomorrow I could have
a look at the code.


As far as I can tell there are three differences in behavior when
the RISC OS front end's external hotlist option is enabled:

1. Opening the hotlist will Filer_Run the external application,
   rather than opening the NetSurf hotlist manager window.

2. The hotlist_has_url test always returns false for external
   hotlists.  (Meaning the star in the URL bar will always be
   an empty outline, rather than filled yellow, even when the
   current page is in the external hotlist.)

3. When adding pages to the hotlist, NetSurf's core hotlist code
   isn't informed.  This means that the NetSurf won't save the
   file when adding URLs.

So NetSurf won't save the hotlist file when adding pages, and
set to use an external hotlist manager.

It looks like the RISC OS front end code for removing pages
from the hotlist first checks whether the core hotlist has
the page, and if it does, it instructs the NetSurf core
hotlist to remove it, rather than the external application.

The remove from hotlist handling has no code to tell an
external hotlist to remove pages.

This means that if this code is called, and the the core
hotlist had the URL, it will remove it, which will cause
NetSurf to save the hotlist file.

I can't remember exactly how the RISC OS UI presents the
interface for removing pages from the hotlist.  It might have
been select clicking on a filled URL bar star, or adjust
clicking on a URL bar star, or something else.  If the former,
then because of point 2 above, it would not let the remove
page code get called in the first place, so the file wouldn't
get saved.

In any case, I can make it more robust by consulting the
external hotlist option before removing from the hotlist.

Cheers,

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Michael Drake]

On 26/04/17 18:30, Nick Roberts wrote:


Can you just confirm that NetSurf doesn't save the file if there is an
external hotlist manager?


I don't know, off the top of my head.  I'm unfamiliar with the
external hotlist option.  If I have time tomorrow I could have
a look at the code.

Cheers,

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Nick Roberts]

In message <496fe1b4-8a09-4243-e65a-50b1381b7...@codethink.co.uk>
   Michael Drake <michael.dr...@codethink.co.uk> wrote:

> On 23/11/16 09:58, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> > On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> >   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> >
> > > Does NetSurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits
> > > the program?
> > > 
> > No, it doesn't.
> 
> As of CI build #4070, the hotlist file is saved shortly after URLs
> are added / removed.

Can you just confirm that Netsurf doesn't save the file if there is an
external hotlist manager? I've just had a play with build #4070 and
this seems to be the case, but confirmation would be nice.

If so, I can fix BookMaker to allow saves even if Netsurf is running.

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article <496fe1b4-8a09-4243-e65a-50b1381b7...@codethink.co.uk>,
   Michael Drake <michael.dr...@codethink.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23/11/16 09:58, Harriet Bazley wrote:
> > On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> >   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> >
> >> Does NetSurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
> >> program?
> >>
> > No, it doesn't.

> As of CI build #4070, the hotlist file is saved shortly after URLs are
> added / removed.

> Cheers,

Excellent! A long-awaited chamnge. Thanks for the contiunuing good work.

-- 
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http://www.Torrens.org for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Michael Drake]

On 23/11/16 09:58, Harriet Bazley wrote:

On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
  Jim Nagel  wrote:


Does NetSurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
program?


No, it doesn't.


As of CI build #4070, the hotlist file is saved shortly after URLs are
added / removed.

Cheers,

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Chris Young]

On 25 November 2016 09:57:04 GMT+00:00, Jim Nagel  
wrote:

>I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?) 

http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org

Chris

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Jim Nagel]

Harriet Bazley  wrote on 24 Nov:

>> [Jim wrote:] The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
>> But where is the history saved?

> Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.

Ahh, yes.  That filename wasn't obvious till hindsight.

And now that I look at the directory with Full Info and date order, 
behold the three files Hotlist, URL and Cookies at the top of the 
list, stamped with the exact time I shut down last night.

I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?) that 
additions to Hotlist ought to save themselves immediately (or the user 
being given a chance to save them manually, at least).

I can't be the only Netsurf user who has ever lost stuff like this 
because of the machine losing power or freezing, and Netsurf not 
having the chance to quit correctly.

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Harriet Bazley]

On 24 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

[snip]


> The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
> But where is the history saved?
>

Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.


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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Jim Nagel]

Harriet Bazley  wrote on 23 Nov:

> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
>   Jim Nagel  wrote:

>> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
>> program?
>>
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice
> at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file -
> it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening new
> pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your work'
> manually.
>It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that
> changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the program
> immediately after making them!

Amen to that!  Counterintuitive indeed.

The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
But where is the history saved?


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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Nick Roberts]

In message <8c1f76e355.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk>
   Harriet Bazley <li...@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
>   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> 
> > Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits
> > the program?
> >
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be
> nice at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant
> file - it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening
> new pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your
> work' manually.   It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to
> ensure that changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the
> program immediately after making them!

This is a particular problem for BookMaker.

If the user adds any pages to the hotlist, BookMaker registers that the
hotlist has changed, and the "Save" button on the toolbar becomes
active. But if you save the hotlilst and then quit Netsurf, Netsurf
very kindly overwrites the version you've saved from BookMaker with its
own internal copy. This got so frustrating that now BookMaker won't let
you save a Netsurf hotlist if Netsurf is still running.

This does have one advantage - if/when Netsurf crashes, you can then
save the (updated) hotlist from BookMaker.

Eventually, I plan to add a patch to Netsurf, so that it checks on exit
for the use of a foreign hotlist manager, and avoid saving the hotlist
if one is in use. It's a bit daunting, as I'm going to have to start
from building a GCC environment on a virtual machine.

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[John Rickman Iyonix]

 In article , Jim Nagel
  wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website

Jim - you might find the links in the middle column on this page 
useful:-

http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html

John

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Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Harriet Bazley]

On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
  Jim Nagel  wrote:

> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
> program?
>
No, it doesn't.
An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume, and it's
not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice at least if
editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file - it's not
something that happens all that often, unlike opening new pages, and unlike
in other programs there's no way to 'save your work' manually.   It's a bit
counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that changes to the program
data are preserved is to quit the program immediately after making them!

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Confession is good for the soul, but bad for the career.

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Tim Hill]

In article , Jim Nagel
 wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website

[snip]

On balance, I find
www.w3schools.com 
better than HTML.com
YMMV

-- 
Tim Hill
www.timil.com

web sites * multimedia * training

Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[John Williams]

In article <c77953e355@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.

On quitting, same as its cookies. So if you want to do different user
stuff, NetSurf has to be quitted before changing the Choices location.

I do this to access my wife's FaceBook and GMail - with her permission, of
course. on a machine I can do something sensible with the data on! Things
like save out pictures full size, print off tickets etcetera.

For simplicity I have separate complete Choices files and a change-user
script which checks if NS is running and stops to warn me if it is. 
Quitting NS automatically seemed a bit like overkill - it helps to remember
what's going on if you have to do it yourself!

John

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history and hotlist not saved; CSS site

[Jim Nagel]

Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the 
program?

Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on 
my website, came across a wonderful site and immediately added it to 
my Netsurf hotlist.  An hour later, some other application froze and 
the computer had to be rebooted.

Today I wanted to return to that site about CSS, but there was no 
record of it in my hotlist.  Nor in my history.  Tried all sorts of 
searches via Google and Duckduck -- no luck.  Bereft.

Is there any way to make Netsurf save history and hotlist during a 
session?  Or am I misunderstanding something?


As for the site I lost, maybe somebody else knows it and could point 
me in the right direction.
 - Exceptionally clean design.  The bits of code within sentences were 
presented with a grey background.
 - Fine use of language, not cutesy or nerdy or commercial.
 - It had a surprisingly nifty name, one syllable I think, almost in 
the league of web.com or code.com -- so simple it made me wonder that 
the writers found it still available.
 - Further surprise when I got to a deeper page: it was a UK company, 
despite the ".com" domain, located somewhere like Shoreditch or 
Marylebone.

Stop press:  Found it! It's  html.com

Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.

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Re: Fwd: Hotlist and strange mouse behaviour (Atari)

[Peter Slegg]

> Date: Sat, 07 May 2016 21:39:55 +0100
> From: Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Hotlist and strange mouse behaviour (Atari)
>
> Peter Slegg wrote:
>
> >
> >This issue is still present, I can't find it in Mantis so I
> >don't think it was ever logged.
> >
> >Press F6 and instead of opening the Bookmarks window the cursor focus moves
> >to the url field.
> >
> >If the mouse pointed is moved outside the NS window and F6 pressed
> >then the Bookmarks window opens as expected.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >-- Forwarded message. --
> > Originated by Peter Slegg
> > Date Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:51:40
> >----
> >
> >
> >I suspect this is an Atari only issue (build 2369).
> >
> >When the mouse is over the Netsurf window, pressing F6 does
> >nothing but move the mouse outside the window and F6 opens
> >the Hotlist immediately.
>
> OK, so have you logged a Mantis case now?
>
> Dave
>
>

I didn't want to create a duplicate if it was just me not able to
find it :-)

I have created issue 2456:

http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2456

Regards,

Peter

Hotlist and strange mouse behaviour (Atari)

[Peter Slegg]

I suspect this is an Atari only issue (build 2369).

When the mouse is over the Netsurf window, pressing F6 does
nothing but move the mouse outside the window and F6 opens
the Hotlist immediately.

Peter

Cannot Save hotlist

[Peter Slegg]

Sometimes I have noticed that when exiting Netsurf it
says it cannot save the hotlist.

I have noticed this issue for months but only recently
made a connection.

It only seems to occur whenever I have used the View source
option.

It could be that the editor I am using to view the source
is holding a file lock but why would it lock the hotlist ?


Currently using Atari build 2327.

Peter

Hotlist editing

[Harriet Bazley]

It is (as of at least v1356, and currently in v1359) no longer possible
to edit/manually update the URLs in a hotlist, something which I used do
on a regular basis.   The Selection-Edit menu entry now provides an
editable field for only the hotlist entry's title.

(Also, if you select an entry for editing when the existing page title
is wider than the currently displayed extent of the window and then
resize the window to allow you to read the right-hand end of it, the
newly-displayed inverted section of the display doesn't update
correctly.   And you can't scroll to the right to view the right-hand
end of such long titles without resizing the window, because the
horizontal scroll bar/arrows on the hotlist window don't work.)

For example, I have a hotlist entry which reads
A Study in Magic: The Perils of Deduction, a Harry Potter + Sherlock
Crossover fanfic Chapter 32
http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7578572/32/A-Study-in-Magic

The fiction in question has 66 chapters, and I previously read one at a
time and updated the URL (and, if I remembered, the chapter number at
the end of the hotlist entry title) to point to the next chapter.

Obviously, the title doesn't *need* to be that long - it was simply the
automatic default - and I could edit it down to make it a similar length
to the other entries in the hotlist like Netsurf test builds, in order
to sidestep the redraw bug. (I do have others from the same site even
longer)

However, not being able to update URLs once read is having a
considerable impact on my bookmarking habits.   Is this loss of
functionality intentional, or is it an accidental side-effect of the
display changes?

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Re: Hotlist editing

[Michael Drake]

In article 6f29e49253.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 It is (as of at least v1356, and currently in v1359) no longer possible
 to edit/manually update the URLs in a hotlist, something which I used do
 on a regular basis.

Alt+Click?  It should behave like the filer.

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Re: Hotlist editing

[Harriet Bazley]

On 29 Sep 2013 as I do recall,
  Michael Drake  wrote:

 In article 6f29e49253.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

  It is (as of at least v1356, and currently in v1359) no longer possible
  to edit/manually update the URLs in a hotlist, something which I used do
  on a regular basis.

 Alt+Click?  It should behave like the filer.

Ah, that works, yes.   :-)

It's just the actual visible 'Edit' function on the menu that has
changed, then.

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

We are not punished for our sins, but by them.

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[J. F. Lemaire]

On 29 May 2013 01:17, Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote:
 In article 0039c5d3.01dc65003...@smtp.freeola.net,
 I fixed mine in the choices file:

 sys_colour_Window:ff

 That worked although I have no idea quite what the arcane 6 fs actually do.

It's a hexadecimal value meaning white (in this context).

Cheers,
JFL
--
Jean-François Lemaire

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Dave Symes]

In article 0039c5d3.01dc65003...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 I fixed mine in the choices file:
 sys_colour_Window:ff

 Peter

I find that a bit hard on my eyes, so use dd instead (Very light grey).

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Michael Drake]

In article 0039c5d3.01dc65003...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:

 I fixed mine in the choices file:

 sys_colour_Window:ff

Changing just one colour is a *really bad thing to do*.  For example
you'll find that scrollbars (frames  textareas) are still black.

As I said in the Options/Choices refactor thread, the recommended fix is
to delete old Choices files, as doing this has other benefits.

Also, NetSurf has just been fixed to reset all colour values to their
defaults if they are all black.  If you just change one colour, it won't
be able to detect this problem and reset them for you.


BTW, you can see the colours (and all the other current settings) by
visiting about:config in NetSurf.  It also indicates whether you are using
a default setting, or if you have modified a Choices value.

-- 

Michael Drake (tlsa)  http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

Hotlist/Bookmarks build 1211

[Peter Slegg]

I've just downloaded the Atari m68k build 1211 and the bookmarks
window has a black background with black text.

Regards,

Peter

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[cj]

In article 7120175353.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 The hotlist display was OK up to CI1201.  CI1212 and CI1219 display
 the hotlist as black on black.  RISC OS 5.18, Iyonix, 512 MiB.
 Reverted to CI1201 and it's OK again.

 I'll put in a bug report.

Have you tried deleting your Choices file, as per suggestions in
other threads?

-- 
Chris Johnson

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Chris Newman]

In article 7120175353.davem...@my.inbox.com,
   Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote:
 The hotlist display was OK up to CI1201.  CI1212 and CI1219 display
 the hotlist as black on black.  RISC OS 5.18, Iyonix, 512 MiB.
 Reverted to CI1201 and it's OK again.


#1222 still black here.

-- 
Chris

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Peter Slegg]

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:51:41 +0100
From: Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk
Subject: Hotlist display illegible
To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
Message-ID: 7120175353.davem...@my.inbox.com

The hotlist display was OK up to CI1201.  CI1212 and CI1219 display
the hotlist as black on black.  RISC OS 5.18, Iyonix, 512 MiB.
Reverted to CI1201 and it's OK again.

I'll put in a bug report.

Dave


I fixed mine in the choices file:


sys_colour_Window:ff


Peter

Re: Hotlist display illegible

[Chris Newman]

In article 0039c5d3.01dc65003...@smtp.freeola.net,
   Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote:
 
 Message: 10
 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 21:51:41 +0100
 From: Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk
 Subject: Hotlist display illegible
 To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
 Message-ID: 7120175353.davem...@my.inbox.com
 
 The hotlist display was OK up to CI1201.  CI1212 and CI1219 display
 the hotlist as black on black.  RISC OS 5.18, Iyonix, 512 MiB.
 Reverted to CI1201 and it's OK again.
 
 I'll put in a bug report.
 
 Dave


 I fixed mine in the choices file:


 sys_colour_Window:ff


That worked although I have no idea quite what the arcane 6 fs actually do.
Hotlist window now has black text on a white ground. 
Wasn't the background blue or grey at one time? 
Oh well. 50 shades of grey will do.

Many thanks,

-- 
Chris

Re: Latest builds crash when opening hotlist/history pages

[Peter Young]

On 19 Feb 2013  Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk 
wrote:

 Builds json-904 and json-904 both crash when I double-click on a hotlist
 or browsing history entry with a stack backtrace along the following
 lines:

Yes, confirmed that this happens on this ARMini; #898 is OK, though. 
Which one of us will submit a bug report?

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Latest builds crash when opening hotlist/history pages

[Peter Young]

On 19 Feb 2013  Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 On 19 Feb 2013  Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk
 wrote:

 Builds json-904 and json-904 both crash when I double-click on a hotlist
 or browsing history entry with a stack backtrace along the following
 lines:

 Yes, confirmed that this happens on this ARMini; #898 is OK, though.
 Which one of us will submit a bug report?

I've reported it, with a characteristic typo in the description field.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Latest builds crash when opening hotlist/history pages

[Harriet Bazley]

Builds json-904 and json-904 both crash when I double-click on a hotlist
or browsing history entry with a stack backtrace along the following
lines:

Stack backtrace:

Running thread 0x622968
  (  62bee4) pc:   489178 lr:abf44 sp:   62bee8  __write_backtrace()
  (  62bf10) pc:abec8 lr:   4899c0 sp:   62bf14  ^ro_gui_signal()
  (  62bf38) pc:   4899b0 lr:   4897e4 sp:   62bf3c  __unixlib_exec_sig()
  (  62bfa0) pc:   48929c lr:   489fc4 sp:   62bfa4  __unixlib_raise_signal()
  (  62bfb0) pc:   489ec8 lr:   4957b8 sp:   62a934  __h_cback()

  Register dump at 0062bfb4:

a1: faa6f1b5 a2: fff27167 a3:1 a4:1
v1: e1a07000 v2: faa6f1b5 v3: 78498958 v4: 783b8c10
v5:1 v6: 78498940 sl:   62a208 fp:   62a948
ip:   62a94c sp:   62a934 lr:   4957b8 pc:   495528
cpsr: 2010

  00495514 : .. á : e1a0 : MOV R0,R0
  00495518 : .. á : e1a0 : MOV R0,R0
  0049551c : .. á : e1a0 : MOV R0,R0
  00495520 : . .â : e2102003 : ANDSR2,R0,#3
  00495524 : .0 ã : e3a03001 : MOV R3,#1
  00495528 : .À.ç : e710c002 : LDR R12,[R0,-R2]
  0049552c : .4ć : e1833403 : ORR R3,R3,R3,LSL #8
  00495530 : .. á : e1a01000 : MOV R1,R0
  00495534 : .8ć : e1833803 : ORR R3,R3,R3,LSL #16

  (  62a948) pc:   4957a8 lr:4f9f8 sp:   62a94c  __strdup()
  (  62a96c) pc:4f998 lr:4fc18 sp:   62a970  ^history_clone_entry()
  (  62a984) pc:4fbc8 lr:47ab8 sp:   62a988  history_clone()
  (  62a99c) pc:47a98 lr:4a5a4 sp:   62a9a0  
browser_window_initialise_common()
  (  62a9cc) pc:4a52c lr:65020 sp:   62a9d0  browser_window_create()
  (  62a9fc) pc:64ee8 lr:633ec sp:   62aa00  tree_url_node_callback()
  (  62aa38) pc:630a0 lr:c9838 sp:   62aa3c  tree_mouse_action()
  (  62aafc) pc:c9660 lr:d1250 sp:   62ab00  ^ro_treeview_mouse_click()
  (  62ab68) pc:d120c lr:aaf0c sp:   62ab6c  
ro_gui_wimp_event_mouse_click()
  (  62ae34) pc:aaa58 lr:532a4 sp:   62ae38  gui_poll()
  (  62ae4c) pc:53280 lr:ac7cc sp:   62ae50  netsurf_main_loop()
  (  62afe8) pc:ac2b8 lr:   497de0 sp:   62afec  main()


Reverted to json-825 without further test attempts, as
http://netsurf.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk/ (the download address in my
hotlist) is extremely difficult to type accurately when menu selection
doesn't work :-(

Iyonix Aria, RISC OS 5.18

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

If you see an onion ring - answer it.

Re: Hotlist on RISCOS

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article 5306d264c4d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 And you'll be lucky if you hit the spot (Once in a blue moon). The
 receptive bit for the DD must be about one or two pixels in size, and
 don't ever bother if the Directory is at the bottom of the window,
 you'll never get it in.


It would make a lot of sense if a directory could be clicked on to
activate it (open directory icon) so that it could be filled. Adding to an
empty directory is indeed chancey.

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Save hotlist bug fixed.

[Peter Young]

RISC OS build #755. The bug which truncated saves of the hotlist and 
global history has been fixed. Many thanks to jmb.

My full hotlist has been restored from a backup, and has been 
successfully added to.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc Ta) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Hotlist on RISCOS

[Gerald Dodson]

I often have trouble re-arranging the Hotlist. In particular grouping
items into a directory. At the moment I have a new directory into which I
have been trying to place a number of items not currently in a directory.

Gerald

Re: Hotlist on RISCOS

[Tony Moore]

On 31 Dec 2012, Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

 I often have trouble re-arranging the Hotlist. In particular grouping
 items into a directory. At the moment I have a new directory into
 which I have been trying to place a number of items not currently in a
 directory.

Drag the selected items to the _lower_ half of the directory icon.

Tony

Re: Hotlist on RISCOS

[Dave Symes]

In article de43c10653.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 31 Dec 2012, Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote:

  I often have trouble re-arranging the Hotlist. In particular grouping
  items into a directory. At the moment I have a new directory into
  which I have been trying to place a number of items not currently in a
  directory.

 Drag the selected items to the _lower_ half of the directory icon.

 Tony

And you'll be lucky if you hit the spot (Once in a blue moon).
The receptive bit for the DD must be about one or two pixels in size, and
don't ever bother if the Directory is at the bottom of the window, you'll
never get it in.

Yes I know, drag it (Directory) up the window...

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Harriet Bazley]

On 22 Nov 2012 as I do recall,
  Tony Moore  wrote:

 On 22 Nov 2012, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
  In article 60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
 Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:
 
   Recently I've been suffering increasingly frequent corruption of my
   NetSurf hotlist
 
  The hotlist gets truncated when it fails to save one of the entries.
 
  Since hotlist load/save was ported from libxml to libdom it has failed
  to handle HTML entities.  So the hotlist will get truncated before the
  first entry to contain an unusual character.

 Looking at the Hotlist files posted by Richard Torrens, the entry which
 caused the truncation was (on one line):

lia href=http://www.vivastreet.co.uk/east-anglia;
#8226;#8226;#9655; East Anglia Free ads, East Anglia classifieds,
East Anglia FREE CLASSIFIED ADS, 450,000+ free classifieds in the
UK/a/li
Ah, and the one from the list I reported is

a href=http://elegantmusings.com/;Casey#8217;s Elegant Musings/a

So the problem is caused by adding webpages with UTF characters in the
title to your hotlist (and not editing the default title - which I
normally do, but in this case didn't)

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Peter Young]

On 22 Nov 2012  Bryan Hogan nets...@helpful.demon.co.uk wrote:

 In message 60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Is anyone else seeing this behaviour?

 Yes, most of my Hotlist has vanished too :-(

 Looking at the Hotlist file it is not corrupted, the html is
 perfectly formed, it's just missing all but the first 35ish
 entries.

And have had that recently happen here, too.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article 20121122083649.GA3366@somnambulist.local,
   Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 If any of you had backups of your hotlist from before NetSurf seems to have
 lost entries, you could use copies of those backups to do the test.  If the
 problem manifests repeatably, then copies of the offending hotlists would go a
 long way to helping us diagnose and fix the fault.


It's a saving issue. Just closed Netsurf and watched the file shrink from
16K to 552 bytes.

Both attached

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!
Title: NetSurf hotlist




Buy/Sell

FreeAds Burwell
Preloved | used latex for sale UK and Ireland
Free Classified Ads . Classifieds . Property, Jobs, Motors, Personals...
 East Anglia Free ads, East Anglia classifieds, East Anglia FREE CLASSIFIED ADS, 450,000+ free classifieds in the UK
Gumtree - Cambridge
craigslist: cambridge, UK classifieds for jobs, apartments, personals, for sale, services, community, and events
Welcome to the Camlets Home Page
eFreeko, recycling the planet - Home Page
hififorsale.com's AudiophileCandy
Canon: Ace Cameras For Best Deals On Used Cameras, Lenses, Accessories, Scopes, Binoculars, Eyepieces and Astronomical Equipment.
Digital Camera Magazine Classifieds
Gumtree.com - Gloucester Classifieds

Computing

gEDA Project Homepage
pdf2gerb: Convert PDF to Gerber and NC Drill formats « scattershot genius;
Vutrax Electronics CAD - Off-site Links
Perlmasters Perl Script and CGI Script Resource Site
Perl
CPAN
RISC OS

32 Bit Conversions
David Pilling :: Home : RISC OS
Dave Higton's home page
SiteMatch RISC OS Web Site Synchroniser
Google Directory - Computers  Systems  RISC OS  Software  Monitor Definition Files
 IYONIX pc
RISCOS Ltd
RISC OS Knowledgebase
RISC OS Select - Private - News
RISCOS.org : Support - !Boot Structure
Recommended software - RISCOS
BBC - h2g2 - RISC OS Computers
John's HTML Tutors
 ZFC Guides
Avisoft Home Page

Tests etc

IANA  Root Zone Database
Test Your Firewall
The W3C Markup Validation Service

Unix

CGI - perldoc.perl.org
demime - A tool to scrub mime from mailing lists
Pure-FTPd - About
Stripmime


Electronics

AVR
EAsm homepage
Semiconductors
== Diodes ==
Soldering
LF-1000 TIPS
BOSS Enclosures
Dancap Electronics Home Page - Official Hakko Distributor for the UK and Northern Ireland
Kaisertech, hot air rework, fume extraction, dummy components.
Rampantapathy : - Cart contents
Welcome to STMicroelectronics
SuperMagnete.de - The Strongest Magnets in the World

Food

Food From Britain
http://www.justsolutions.eu/CamFruit/displayGrowers.asp
 Spice Pages: Coconut (Cocos nucifera)
 Spice Pages: Coconut (Cocos nucifera)
 Welcome to Rick Stein's Seafood Restaurant, Accommodation  Cookery School - Rick Stein

Genealogy

Stoke Ferry

Dr Henry Linhook Helsham of Stoke Ferry, Norfolk (1767-1806)
Dr Robert Harvey (1700-1756) of Stoke Ferry, Norfolk, England.
Stoke Ferry - White's 1854
GENUKI: Norfolk: Genealogy: Towns and Parishes: Stoke Ferry
GENUKI: Norfolk: Genealogy: Towns and Parishes: Stoke Ferry: Coates: Names


Holidays

Camp Sites and Caravan Parks in England
An extensive caravan parks and sites directory, a portal for caravan sales and rental, and a comprehensive on-line guide to caravan, mobile home, motorhome, tent, trailer tent and cabin holidays :: Caravan Sitefinder UK
Defra, UK - Rural Affairs
Paws For a Walk - The Dog Friendly Website
Holiday Accommodation Dog  Pet Friendly Cottages Caravans BB Hotels
Pet friendly dogs welcome self-catering country cottages and holiday cottages
Cotswolds
Holiday Accommodation Dog  Pet Friendly Cottages Caravans BB Hotels
Forest of Dean

Evans Holidays
Royal Forest of Dean, Herefordshire and Monmouthshire Dog Friendly Accommodation
Holiday accommodation in the Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire
Cottages Wye Valley Forest of Dean accommodation self catering

Lincolnshire
Lincolnshire Walks - Lincolnshire County Council
Norfolk
The Brecks, Norfolk  Places to Stay, Visit, Eat and Drink in the Brecks
Nottingham
Homepage


Music

BBC - Radio 3
Index of /2ndhand/

Natural history

Animals

Cats

Cat Rescue and Rehoming - Siamese Cat Club Welfare Trust
SpringerLink - Journal Article
FAB Home Page
Mr. Lee CatCam

Fish
Aquariumlife.net - Aquarium articles, forums, DIY projects, tools
Species - ARKive

Plants

Flower seeds Vegetable seed Grass seed, Garden Sundries
Latin name index P - Plants For A Future database report
Plants For A Future - 7000 useful plants
PFAF Database Search
Thomas Etty Esq. - Heritage Vegetable Seeds
Novelty Tropical Seeds
Invasive non-native plants
http://www.fruitipedia.com/


NetSurf

NetSurf homepage
NetSurf test builds

Photography

Advanced Camera Services
Canon EOS Beginners' FAQ III - Lenses
Canon EOS Beginners' FAQ III - Lenses
photo.net - photo.net

Searches

Search for People, Businesses and Places - 192.com
Route Planner (GB) : Routes, maps and directions - The AA
AltaVista - Babel Fish

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[David Pitt]

Daniel Silverstone, on 22 Nov, wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:16:26AM +, Peter Young wrote:
Is anyone else seeing this behaviour?
   Yes, most of my Hotlist has vanished too :-( Looking at the Hotlist
   file it is not corrupted, the html is perfectly formed, it's just
   missing all but the first 35ish entries.
  And have had that recently happen here, too.
 
 It would be massively helpful if people seeing this behaviour could
 attempt to determine if this is a loading or saving issue -- This can be
 done by editing the file in Zap or StrongEd and then starting NetSurf
 before looking in the NetSurf hotlist window to see if the added items are
 visible, and then quitting NetSurf and seeing if they get saved back out
 to the hostlist file.
 
 We did recently rewrite the hotlist code, so any hints are gratefully
 received.

FWIW I note the Hotlist generated by #665 is missing the /head tag. OTOH I
have not seen the Hotlist get truncated yet. 

-- 
David Pitt

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

[snip]

 We did recently rewrite the hotlist code,

What was the first #number of this change?

Tony

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Daniel Silverstone]

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:43:24AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
 On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 [snip]
  We did recently rewrite the hotlist code,
 What was the first #number of this change?

I do not recall.  It was done not long after the hack weekend though, so you
should be able to trace it.

D.

-- 
Daniel Silverstone   http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Richard Torrens (lists)]

In article s2f288a3d7li...@torrens.org.uk,
   Richard Torrens (lists) li...@torrens.org.uk wrote:
 In article 20121122083649.GA3366@somnambulist.local,
Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
  If any of you had backups of your hotlist from before NetSurf seems to
  have lost entries, you could use copies of those backups to do the
  test.  If the problem manifests repeatably, then copies of the
  offending hotlists would go a long way to helping us diagnose and fix
  the fault.


 It's a saving issue. Just closed Netsurf and watched the file shrink from
 16K to 552 bytes.

 Both attached


Should have said this is with 3.0 (Dev CI #656)

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:43:24AM +, Tony Moore wrote:
  On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org
  wrote:

   We did recently rewrite the hotlist code,
  What was the first #number of this change?

 I do not recall.  It was done not long after the hack weekend

That, I believe, was 3-4 Nov 2012.

Using RO6.20:

When quitting NetSurf #600 (5 Nov 2012), it consistently re-writes my
Hotlist as a 90K file.

When quitting NetSurf #659 (18 Nov 2012), it consistently re-writes my
Hotlist as an 89K file.

The difference in file-lengths seems to be caused by #600 writing amp;
whereas #659 writes  , however I can't persuade either NetSurf version
to truncate the Hotlist.

Tony

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[cj]

In article mpro.mdvx2l006wxwx02rx.pit...@pittdj.co.uk,
   David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote:
 FWIW I note the Hotlist generated by #665 is missing the /head
 tag. OTOH I have not seen the Hotlist get truncated yet. 

Having now checked on both Iyonix and ARMini, both hotlists are
truncated. Since I 'auto-upgrade' NetSurf very regularly (at least
daily), and only keep the last 3 versions I have no idea when it
started. I never noticed before, since my most frequented sites are
at the top of the list, so probably haven't needed to scroll down the
list for maybe weeks.

-- 
Chris Johnson

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Peter Young]

On 22 Nov 2012  Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

[snip]

 Whereas with #665 and RISC OS 5.19 on an ARMini, while I did have the
 file truncated a while ago, it doesn't seem to be happening now. Not,
 at least, till the fairy dust that a friend is sure inhabits all
 computers sees this message :-)

That happened sooner than I expected! I imported a 32K hotlist from 
the backup of the late Iyo, and ran NetSurf, and then quitted it. 
There was a bleep, and 32K suddenly became 8K. Is it something to do 
with the size of the hotlist perhaps?

Looking back, I have had a couple of unexplained bleeps when shutting 
down the machine, and I now know why!

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[cj]

With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still
occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is
shortened from 24K to 10K.

-- 
Chris Johnson

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

 With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still
 occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is
 shortened from 24K to 10K.

I've now checked #600 and #659 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on
RPCEmu v0.8.9. The results were identical to those for RO6.20, reported
earlier, ie no truncation with a 90K file.

Tony

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

[snip]

 I imported a 32K hotlist from the backup of the late Iyo, and ran
 NetSurf, and then quitted it. There was a bleep, and 32K suddenly
 became 8K. Is it something to do with the size of the hotlist perhaps?

No problem here, with a 90K Hotlist file.

Tony

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 22 Nov 2012, cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote:

  With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still
  occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is
  shortened from 24K to 10K.

 I've now checked #600 and #659 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on
 RPCEmu v0.8.9. The results were identical to those for RO6.20, reported
 earlier, ie no truncation with a 90K file.

Now I'm up to date: using #665 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on
RPCEmu v0.8.9, and with RO6.20 running on a SARPC, here there is still
no truncation of a 90K Hotlist file, when NetSurf is quit.

Tony

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[John Williams]

In article 20121122110116.GF3366@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone
dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  What was the first #number of this change?

 I do not recall.  It was done not long after the hack weekend though, so
 you should be able to trace it.

Would it be possible to have once again something like the old builds page
detailing changes between test versions, or is that too much unproductive
work?

John

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Rob Kendrick]

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 05:59:21PM +0100, John Williams wrote:
 In article 20121122110116.GF3366@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone
 dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 
   What was the first #number of this change?
 
  I do not recall.  It was done not long after the hack weekend though, so
  you should be able to trace it.
 
 Would it be possible to have once again something like the old builds page
 detailing changes between test versions, or is that too much unproductive
 work?

http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/BUILD_JS=jsoff,CC=gcc,TARGET=riscos,label=arm-unknown-riscos/

The list of builds down the left hand side has links to a details page
for each, which includes the change messages for the commits included in
that build, with links to diffs on the cgit revision viewer.

B.

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[John Williams]

In article 20121122170227.gu3...@pepperfish.net,
   Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

  Would it be possible to have once again something like the old builds
  page detailing changes between test versions, or is that too much
  unproductive work?

Sorry - Pluto breaks link! See Message-ID:

 20121122170227.gu3...@pepperfish.net

 The list of builds down the left hand side has links to a details page
 for each, which includes the change messages for the commits included in
 that build, with links to diffs on the cgit revision viewer.

Thanks!

John

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Peter Young]

On 22 Nov 2012  Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

[snip]

 It gets even odder. I tried today to do something I've done many times
 before, so that I could search the global history. What I do is to
 open the global history from the icon bar icon, do menu over the
 history  History  Export, and drag the file to the icon bar icon.
 This opens the hotlist in HTML, and you can then use the search
 option. Today, when I got to the stage of dragging the icon to the
 icon bar I get the weird error message Unable to save the hotlist,
 (yes, hotlist!) with a beep, but NetSurf doesn't crash. I have the
 logfile, and will report this on the bug-tracker, in the hope that
 this possibly might shed some light on what's going on.

I tried to add a comment to the bug report, and got a page saying 
XSRF Attempt Detected!. What am I doing wrong? I tried to correct 
the wording of the error message, which is The hotlist was unable to 
be saved properly. From what I can see, the already truncated hotlist 
seem to be intact,

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Tony Moore]

On 22 Nov 2012, Rob Kendrick r...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 05:59:21PM +0100, John Williams wrote:

[snip]

  Would it be possible to have once again something like the old
  builds page detailing changes between test versions, or is that too
  much unproductive work?

 http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/BUILD_JS=jsoff,CC=gcc,TARGET=riscos,label=arm-unknown-riscos/

 The list of builds down the left hand side has links to a details page
 for each, which includes the change messages for the commits included
 in that build, with links to diffs on the cgit revision viewer.

At present, the earliest build available on that page is #641. How is it
possible to access earlier builds? I wish to identify the build in which
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3579166group_id=51719atid=464312
first occurred. This lies between #417 and #461.

Tony

XSRF Attempt Detected (was: Hotlist truncation/corruption)

[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 22 Nov 2012 by Peter Young :

 I tried to add a comment to the bug report, and got a page saying
 XSRF Attempt Detected!.

I suspect that's related to this one:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3586760group_id=51719atid=464312

NetSurf's SSL seems to have a few bugs in it at the moment.

-- 
  __^__
 / _   _ \ You always find something in the last place you look.
( ( |_| ) )
 \_   _/  === Martin Bazley ==

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Michael Drake]

In article 60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
   Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Recently I've been suffering increasingly frequent corruption of my
 NetSurf hotlist

The hotlist gets truncated when it fails to save one of the entries.

Since hotlist load/save was ported from libxml to libdom it has failed to
handle HTML entities.  So the hotlist will get truncated before the first
entry to contain an unusual character.

The beep is because NetSurf opens a warning dialogue box to report the
problem, although since it is quitting, you won't get a chance to see it
before NetSurf quits.


In article 8f7cb4f252.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
   Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 What I do is to open the global history from the icon bar icon, do menu
 over the history  History  Export, and drag the file to the icon bar
 icon.

That's the same problem.  The warning mentions the hotlist because global
history and hotlist share the same code for saving.

-- 

Michael Drake (tlsa)  http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Peter Young]

On 22 Nov 2012  Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 In article 60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk,
Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Recently I've been suffering increasingly frequent corruption of my
 NetSurf hotlist

 The hotlist gets truncated when it fails to save one of the entries.

 Since hotlist load/save was ported from libxml to libdom it has failed to
 handle HTML entities.  So the hotlist will get truncated before the first
 entry to contain an unusual character.

 The beep is because NetSurf opens a warning dialogue box to report the
 problem, although since it is quitting, you won't get a chance to see it
 before NetSurf quits.


 In article 8f7cb4f252.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk,
Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote:

 What I do is to open the global history from the icon bar icon, do menu
 over the history  History  Export, and drag the file to the icon bar
 icon.

 That's the same problem.  The warning mentions the hotlist because global
 history and hotlist share the same code for saving.

Thanks for the explanation. I imagine it's being worked on, so I will 
be patient.

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /  zfc Ta \ Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and  \/ ____  \  England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \  http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
/  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Harriet Bazley]

Recently I've been suffering increasingly frequent corruption of my
Netsurf hotlist - the telltale symptom is that program beeps on
shutdown, and when it is re-started the hotlist file is truncated and
the remaining portion subtly altered (see artifact 3587232 on bug list)

Mertin has also been complaining of this but that is unsurprising as he
is using the same copy of the application on the same machine (just with
different files in Choices);  however this does suggest that it isn't
just some malformation of my particular hotlist file that is causing the
problem.

Is anyone else seeing this behaviour?

-- 
Harriet Bazley ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Cole's Law:  Thinly sliced cabbage.

Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption

[Bryan Hogan]

In message 60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk
  Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote:

 Is anyone else seeing this behaviour?

Yes, most of my Hotlist has vanished too :-(

Looking at the Hotlist file it is not corrupted, the html is
perfectly formed, it's just missing all but the first 35ish
entries.

Bryan.

-- 
RISC OS User Group Of London  -  http://www.rougol.jellybaby.net/
RISC OS London Show   -  http://www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk/

Re: Hotlist

[Nick Roberts]

In message 52a7994e9acvj...@waitrose.com
   Chris Newman cvj...@waitrose.com wrote:

 In article 52a78e014dd...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk
 wrote:
  In article 52a75401a9stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk, lists
 stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
   In article 52a7433e91d...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes
  d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 I use !Bookmaker, works fine.
 
Thank you Stuart.
 
She doesn't.
 
   Sorry, should have been more clear. My suggestion is to use
   !BookMaker.
 
   With !BookMaker running and boxes created, when I click Add to
   hotlist, I get a list of the boxes in !BookMaker I can choose to
   add to.
 
  We used to use Bookmaker a lot, but we stopped using Bookmaker
  because it didn't interface with NetSurf.
 
  I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as
  when I Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it
  goes in, it just puts it in the default place.
 
 Here, it puts it at the bottom of the list of folders. I then open
 the appropriate folder  drag the file up to it. Only takes a few
 seconds.

Check the preferences - General group, 'Add URLs to main book'.

If this is ticked, BookMaker will put add any new URLs at the botton of
the hotlist.

If it isn't, adding a URL will put up a menu of folders to choose from.

-- 
Nick Roberts   tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk   

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article e16beea752.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   Nick Roberts tig...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:

[Snippy]

 Check the preferences - General group, 'Add URLs to main book'.

 If this is ticked, BookMaker will put add any new URLs at the botton of
 the hotlist.

 If it isn't, adding a URL will put up a menu of folders to choose from.

It is not ticked, no Menu of folders arrives, and the URL is added to the
main book.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Steve Fryatt]

On 1 Jul, Dave Symes wrote in message
52a88f4e59d...@triffid.co.uk:

 In article e16beea752.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk,
Nick Roberts tig...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 
 [Snippy]
 
  Check the preferences - General group, 'Add URLs to main book'.
 
  If this is ticked, BookMaker will put add any new URLs at the botton of
  the hotlist.
 
  If it isn't, adding a URL will put up a menu of folders to choose from.
 
 It is not ticked, no Menu of folders arrives, and the URL is added to the
 main book.

Nick's talking about BookMaker; you're talking about NetSurf's inbuilt
hotlist.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

Re: Hotlist

[lists]

In article 52a7433e91d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
  I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

 Thank you Stuart.

 She doesn't.

Sorry, should have been more clear. My suggestion is to use !BookMaker.

With !BookMaker running and boxes created, when I click Add to hotlist,
I get a list of the boxes in !BookMaker I can choose to add to.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

Re: Hotlist

[Bryn Evans]

In a mad moment - Dave Symes  mumbled :

 In article 52a711c566t...@netsurf-browser.org,
Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
 directories?

From the user guide:

[snip]
   -- http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#Hotlist

 Indeed, thanks

 Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the
 directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon.

 By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes
 reachable.

I noticed this behaviour when the Hotlist was first introduced, and 
discovered the same workaround.

Thinking about it, there would seem to be some advantage if the
creation of new Directories took place at the head of the list.

(ducks and dons flame proof coat)


-- 
|)[
|)ryn [vansmail to - brynev...@bryork.freeuk.com

Re: Hotlist

[Tony Moore]

On 29 Jun 2012, Bryn Evans nets...@bryork.freeuk.com wrote:
 In a mad moment - Dave Symes  mumbled :

[snip]

  Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list
  where the directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of
  the icon.

  By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it
  becomes reachable.

 I noticed this behaviour when the Hotlist was first introduced, and
 discovered the same workaround.

The problem appeared some time between 2.6 (21st September 2010), which
is ok, and 2.7 (7th April 2011), which is not ok (sorry that I cannot be
more precise).

It seems to be caused by the position of the pointer on the bounding box
which represents the objects being moved. The pointer is at the top left
of the box, which is higher than one line, in the Hotlist window. Thus
the pointer cannot reach the bottom line.

Previously, the objects to be dragged were represented by a transparent
icon, which didn't restrict the movement of the pointer.

Tony

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a75401a9stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a7433e91d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
   I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

  Thank you Stuart.

  She doesn't.

 Sorry, should have been more clear. My suggestion is to use !BookMaker.

 With !BookMaker running and boxes created, when I click Add to hotlist,
 I get a list of the boxes in !BookMaker I can choose to add to.

We used to use Bookmaker a lot, but we stopped using Bookmaker because it
didn't interface with NetSurf.

I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when I
Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it just
puts it in the default place.

Anyway, it appears She's sorted and has no intention of doing anything other.


Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[lists]

In article 52a78e014dd...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when I
 Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it just
 puts it in the default place.

I do here, have you got the latest version - 2.15

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a7909659stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a78e014dd...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
  I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when
  I Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it
  just puts it in the default place.

 I do here, have you got the latest version - 2.15

Yes.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Chris Newman]

In article 52a78e014dd...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk
wrote:
 In article 52a75401a9stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk, lists
stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
  In article 52a7433e91d...@triffid.co.uk, Dave Symes
 d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

   Thank you Stuart.

   She doesn't.

  Sorry, should have been more clear. My suggestion is to use !BookMaker.

  With !BookMaker running and boxes created, when I click Add to hotlist,
  I get a list of the boxes in !BookMaker I can choose to add to.

 We used to use Bookmaker a lot, but we stopped using Bookmaker because it
 didn't interface with NetSurf.

 I see it now can, but it doesn't appear to interface very well as when I
 Add to Hotlist I don't get a choice of what directory it goes in, it just
 puts it in the default place.

Here, it puts it at the bottom of the list of folders. I then open the
appropriate folder  drag the file up to it. Only takes a few seconds.

Cheers,

-- 
Chris

Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

Fay wants to know something about the NS hotlist, so If the answer is
known, I appreciate the solution.

She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
get anything to go into those directories.

No point in asking me... Which is why I'm asking here.

How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
directories?

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Brian Howlett]

On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

 Fay wants to know something about the NS hotlist, so If the answer is
 known, I appreciate the solution.

 She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
 Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
 get anything to go into those directories.

 No point in asking me... Which is why I'm asking here.

 How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
 directories?

 Thanks

Drag 'n' drop seems to work...
-- 
Brian Howlett
--
My net income doesn't cover my gross habits...

Re: Hotlist

[Michael Drake]

In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
 directories?

From the user guide:

  As with filer windows, selections can be made by dragging selection
  boxes and adjust clicking can be used to add or remove items from the
  selection. Selections can then be dragged and dropped within the hotlist
  management window to move them around. It is possible to drop a
  selection into a closed directory by releasing it over the bottom half
  of the target directory. Dropping the selection over the top half of a
  directory or address will insert the selection above that item. Finally,
  dropping a selection over the lower half of an address will move it
  below the address.

  -- http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#Hotlist

-- 

Michael Drake (tlsa)  http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

Re: Hotlist

[Tony Moore]

On 28 Jun 2012, Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
 On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

[snip]

  How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
  directories?

 Drag 'n' drop seems to work...

You need to drop the selection on the _lower+ half of a directory icon,
otherwise the selection is moved to the space above the directory.

Tony

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article b1ae0ea752.br...@bhowlett.plus.net,
   Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
 On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

  Fay wants to know something about the NS hotlist, so If the answer is
  known, I appreciate the solution.

  She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
  Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
  get anything to go into those directories.

  No point in asking me... Which is why I'm asking here.

  How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
  directories?

  Thanks

 Drag 'n' drop seems to work...

It didn't for her.

Then I had a lightbulb moment.
The particular director was at the very bottom of the list, so she could
get anything she grabbed to actually drag over it... It wouldn't go down
to the bottom of the list.

So I got her to create another directory below that one and lo and behold,
she can now drag stuff into that required directory.

Of course she still can't drag anything to the newley created very bottom
directory.

This set me thinking... If she drags that bottom (Newley created
directory) up a few places, it can now be accessed.

There is something dodgy happening (Bug).

The version she is using...  Dev (23 March 2012 R13571) 

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 62f511a752.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk,
   Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 On 28 Jun 2012, Brian Howlett brian.gro...@brianhowlett.me.uk wrote:
  On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote:

 [snip]

   How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
   directories?
 
  Drag 'n' drop seems to work...

 You need to drop the selection on the _lower+ half of a directory icon,
 otherwise the selection is moved to the space above the directory.

 Tony

Sorry chaps, that's not the problem.
See my last posting, but to sumarise...

She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the directory
resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon.

By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes
reachable.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a711c566t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her
  directories?

 From the user guide:

   As with filer windows, selections can be made by dragging selection
   boxes and adjust clicking can be used to add or remove items from the
   selection. Selections can then be dragged and dropped within the
   hotlist management window to move them around. It is possible to drop
   a selection into a closed directory by releasing it over the bottom
   half of the target directory. Dropping the selection over the top half
   of a directory or address will insert the selection above that item.
   Finally, dropping a selection over the lower half of an address will
   move it below the address.

   -- http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide#Hotlist

Indeed, thanks

Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list where the
directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of the icon.

By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it becomes
reachable.

Dave

FWIW. I've tried this on my install of NS with the same result.

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Hotlist

[lists]

In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
 She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
 Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
 get anything to go into those directories.

I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

Re: Hotlist

[Dave Symes]

In article 52a716f93astuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk,
   lists stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote:
 In article 52a70d2281d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:
  She uses NetSurf a lot and would like to sort out the mess that is her
  Hotlist, so she's created a couple of directories in the list but can't
  get anything to go into those directories.

 I use !Bookmaker, works fine.

Thank you Stuart.

She doesn't.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Revised Hotlist funny

[David H Wild]

I was interested to see the new form of the Hotlist where a dummy Favicon
is inserted after the + sign for nearly all websites as they are visited.
I found three where this doesn't happen, two BBC sites and one from NASA.

What they all seem to have in common is that the URL is changed by the
system on the way to the site. The bit that matters is that the particulars
of the las visit are shown as unknown although they are all visited
almost every day.

-- 
David Wild using RISC OS on broadband
www.davidhwild.me.uk

Re: Hotlist display silly

[Steve Fryatt]

On Tue, December 28, 2010 7:50 pm, David H Wild wrote:

 I have found a silly in the display of hotlist entries.

 If you click on the scrollbar to move down  whole screen, the entry after
 the present lowest one is missed and the new display starts with the entry
 two after the present lowest.

That seems to always have been the case: I've finally understood what the
scroll code was (or wasn't) doing.  It's the kind of thing that could well
fall under the work I'm doing away from the trunk at present, so it's
noted but any fix may not appear in test builds immediately.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn  RISC OS Show
  Saturday 16 April 2011
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/   http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

Re: Hotlist display silly

[Tony Moore]

On 29 Dec 2010, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:
 On Tue, December 28, 2010 7:50 pm, David H Wild wrote:

  I have found a silly in the display of hotlist entries.
 
  If you click on the scrollbar to move down  whole screen, the entry
  after the present lowest one is missed and the new display starts
  with the entry two after the present lowest.

 That seems to always have been the case: I've finally understood what
 the scroll code was (or wasn't) doing.  It's the kind of thing that
 could well fall under the work I'm doing away from the trunk at
 present, so it's noted but any fix may not appear in test builds
 immediately.

Another minor problem: The scrollbar can no longer be controlled using
the page-up, page-dn or arrow keys.

Tony

Re: Hotlist display silly

[Martin Bazley]

The following bytes were arranged on 29 Dec 2010 by Tony Moore :

 On 29 Dec 2010, Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote:
  That seems to always have been the case: I've finally understood what
  the scroll code was (or wasn't) doing.  It's the kind of thing that
  could well fall under the work I'm doing away from the trunk at
  present, so it's noted but any fix may not appear in test builds
  immediately.

 Another minor problem: The scrollbar can no longer be controlled using
 the page-up, page-dn or arrow keys.

While we're at it, Adjust-double-click on an entry no longer closes the
window, which is far more annoying.

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Hotlist display silly

[David H Wild]

I have found a silly in the display of hotlist entries.

If you click on the scrollbar to move down  whole screen, the entry after
the present lowest one is missed and the new display starts with the entry
two after the present lowest.

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Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Harriet Bazley]

On 17 Dec 2010 as I do recall,
  Steve Fryatt  wrote:

 On 17 Dec, Michael Drake wrote in message
 518702c9e1tlsa-dgxf7japlxvbejmqvebnxkb+6bgkl...@public.gmane.org:

  In article b112418551.harriet-qglwrmlu8clzjhtm8ag...@public.gmane.org,
 Harriet Bazley 
  lists-zU4/+e8wvZWAV2smNHXGwRMqcT6ajmmy9dF7HbQ/q...@public.gmane.org wrote:
 
   Definitely still weird things happening here (rr11053)
 
  If you start the edit via the menu's Selection  Edit option it can go
  wrong when you press SHIFT on RISC OS.
 
  If you start the edit with a CTRL+Click or ALT+Click on the text you want
  to edit, it should behave correctly.

Oooh, I didn't know you could do that!

[snip]


 Does r11090 sort the wierd things?

Seems fine on r11105: though Shift-arrow seems to have stopped doing
word-forward/word-backward cursor movement.   But I assume this again is
because these are no longer 'real' desktop icons and the WIMP key
shortcuts are no longer automatically implemented

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Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Ian Wolfe]

In message 518931bf8at...@netsurf-browser.org
  Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:

 The colours are now options.  There's currently no Chocies GUI
 to set them, but you can set them manually from the Choices file.

Michael, i wish I could properly tell you how much this development 
means to me. All I can do is to say a very sincere Thank You.


-- 
Ian Wolfe.
Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Michael Drake]

In article 51855ae3d5d...@triffid.co.uk,
   Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 I guess my question is quite trivial... The colour.

At the moment you can't change it.  It was changed when I intended to
revamp the entire look of treeviews anyway, and someone said they couldn't
see the white icons on white recently.  I've not got round to changing the
treeview style because I got mired in improving the existing code first.

There's the mockup for how treeviews might look:

http://www.netsurf-browser.org/temp/treeview/

It uses NetSurf blue livery much like directory listings for file: URLs.

-- 

Michael Drake (tlsa)  http://www.netsurf-browser.org/

Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Dave Symes]

In article 5187852643t...@netsurf-browser.org,
   Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote:
 In article 51855ae3d5d...@triffid.co.uk,
Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

  I guess my question is quite trivial... The colour.

 At the moment you can't change it.  It was changed when I intended to
 revamp the entire look of treeviews anyway, and someone said they
 couldn't see the white icons on white recently.  I've not got round to
 changing the treeview style because I got mired in improving the
 existing code first.

 There's the mockup for how treeviews might look:

 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/temp/treeview/

 It uses NetSurf blue livery much like directory listings for file: URLs.

I mentioned it because someone here is sight compromised and there isn't
enough contrast between the text and the background.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

Re: Editing hotlist entries

[Ian Wolfe]

In message 51878a0ce3d...@triffid.co.uk
  Dave Symes d...@triffid.co.uk wrote:

 I mentioned it because someone here is sight compromised and there isn't
 enough contrast between the text and the background.

Visual problems of course vary. Since I now have great trouble with a 
white background, the blue was an improvement. However, ideally we 
might be able to choose our own; for me, white on black is best.



-- 
Ian Wolfe.
Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

Hotlist background colour

[Gerald Dodson]

I hate to critiscise as I have have been very pleased to have Netsurf with
its continuing development, but for the first time I do have to say: the
background colour does make it difficult for me. I do hope it reverts to
white or is made selectable.

Gerald