Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-14 Thread Perkins, Jerry
Gibson Prichard wrote:
> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
> ... So, I thought I would try
> another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune
> the filters when needed). ...
I have been using pfSense since last Summer at our Church.   IPCop 
was recommended, but through some research ended up with pfSense.   It 
uses Squid and SquidGuard as transparent filter.   No need to set a 
proxy.   I prefer Dansguardian, but pfSense does not run it.   Although 
you can configure pfSense to route traffic to a Dansguardian box, but 
that is a little complex.
pfSense does seem to be rock solid.   It runs on BSD, not Linux.   
The fire wall is solid, in fact a little to solid at times.

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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris McQuistion
That should work, but it just barely
meets the requirements. If you have some beefier hardware it might be  
worth trying, particularly if this hardware is unstable, though the  
instability might just need some BIOS tweaking to fix.

Chris

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On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Gibson Prichard  
 wrote:

> I've got it on a box with a Sempron 1800 /768mb ram/ 20gb hdd with
> only a few modules. The nics are 1 onboard and a cheapie no-name nic.
> Should I run it on something beefier?
>
> Gibson Prichard
>
> On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris McQuistion
>  wrote:
>
>> I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for
>> years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I
>> use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well
>> for me.
>>
>> What kind of hardware are you using?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield >> wrote:
>>> - "Gibson Prichard"  wrote:
 I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are
 for
 filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away
 from
 software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
 iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
 Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic
>>> reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log  
>>> in
>>> and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own
>>> filtering,
>>> but not via the web page on a stock install.
>>>
>>> If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a
>>> homebrew customization. Likely you will want http:// 
>>> dansguardian.org/
>>> to go on smoothwall.
>>>
>>> Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall.
>>> http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154
>>>
>>>
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Gibson Prichard
I've got it on a box with a Sempron 1800 /768mb ram/ 20gb hdd with  
only a few modules. The nics are 1 onboard and a cheapie no-name nic.
Should I run it on something beefier?

Gibson Prichard

On Dec 13, 2009, at 2:11 PM, Chris McQuistion  
 wrote:

> I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for
> years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I
> use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well
> for me.
>
> What kind of hardware are you using?
>
> Chris
>
> On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield  > wrote:
>> - "Gibson Prichard"  wrote:
>>> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are  
>>> for
>>> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away
>>> from
>>> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
>>> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
>>> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>>
>>
>> For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic
>> reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in
>> and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own  
>> filtering,
>> but not via the web page on a stock install.
>>
>> If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a
>> homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/
>> to go on smoothwall.
>>
>> Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall.
>> http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154
>>
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread ./aal
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dave Manginelli
 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote:
>> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
>> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
>> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
>> enhancements being done that I can see.
>>...
>
> I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does
> what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are
> still coming, which they seem to be).
>
> For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates
> to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me
> personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
>
>
>

I agree, I am curious why the OP felt he had to move from ipcop

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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris Faulkner
After seeing this thread, I went ahead and put Untangle 7.10 Beta 2 on
my firewall and gonna see if I can get it to NOT lock up this time...
lol

:)  Still takes forever to boot up though...  any way to get the boot
up process to go faster?  Pfsense takes like 45 sec to reboot and go
live from the BIOS screen.. :)

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dave Manginelli
 wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote:
>> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
>> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
>> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
>> enhancements being done that I can see.
>>...
>
> I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does
> what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are
> still coming, which they seem to be).
>
> For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates
> to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/
>
> Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me
> personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
>
>
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Dave Manginelli

On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 11:20 -0600, Gibson Prichard wrote:
> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
> enhancements being done that I can see.
>...

I don't find the lack of updates to IPCop to be an issue--either it does
what I need it to or it doesn't (as long as the security updates are
still coming, which they seem to be).

For those who think newer is better, there are plenty of recent updates
to the test versions including 1.9.9 as of only 4 days ago:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipcop/files/

Anyway, I'm pleased to hear about the alternatives but for me
personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it.



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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris McQuistion
I've got several Untangle servers at work and have been using it for
years. I love it, but it dies require some resources to run well. I
use a lot of modules and it takes at least 768 Mab of RAM to run well
for me.

What kind of hardware are you using?

Chris

On Sunday, December 13, 2009, Steven S. Critchfield  wrote:
> - "Gibson Prichard"  wrote:
>> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
>> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away
>> from
>> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
>> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
>> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>
>
> For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic
> reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in
> and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering,
> but not via the web page on a stock install.
>
> If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a
> homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/
> to go on smoothwall.
>
> Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall.
> http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154
>
>
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Steven S. Critchfield
- "Gibson Prichard"  wrote:
> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away
> from
> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?


For Smoothwall. It incorporates a squid proxy, but it is for traffic
reduction and reporting, not control. So if you are willing to log in
and find where they hid the conf files, you can do your own filtering,
but not via the web page on a stock install.

If you want smoothwall to do content filtering, you need to add on a
homebrew customization. Likely you will want http://dansguardian.org/
to go on smoothwall. 

Here is the instructions for installing into smoothwall.
http://community.smoothwall.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28154


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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris Faulkner
Well, looking at their forums, there are a few things that could be
happening, hardware problem is one but I doubt it..

Another is reporting, when it runs the reports, it uses 100% CPU until
it gets finished so i'm gonna retry it with the beta and if it locks
up again, gonna turn reporting off...  If that's not the case, then
imma load Gentoo on it and put it under a simulated load to see if it
is a hardware problem.

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RE: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Mark J. Bailey
Do you have any clue why your goes down?  Mine has been rock solid with
long uptimes (months).

-Original Message-
From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chris Faulkner
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:43 PM
To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and
rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again.  I
mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for
WoW is horrible without them).  It has Content filtering, but I'm not
liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle.  Smoothwall seemed to work
pretty good as well.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:
> I have been very happy with Untangle!  http://www.untangle.com/
>
> Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job.  I used the ISO
> version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2
> nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my
> home router).  It does quite well.  There is a 7.1beta that is reported
to
> be working well for everyone.  It can also do the router function, I
just
> have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation.
 In
> bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router.
> Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever
tried
> that appears to do what I was looking for.  You can gain ssh shell
access
> but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Gibson Prichard
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM
> To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
>
> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
> enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try
> another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune
> the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very
> disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5
> minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to
> restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the
> GUI part, too.
> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from
> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>
> Gibson
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris Faulkner
Untangle has a 7.1 Beta in 32 and 64bit

32Bit: http://www.untangle.com/download/untangle_710_beta_2.iso
64Bit: http://www.untangle.com/download/untangle_710_beta_amd64_2.iso


On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Chris Faulkner  wrote:
> I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and
> rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again.  I
> mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for
> WoW is horrible without them).  It has Content filtering, but I'm not
> liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle.  Smoothwall seemed to work
> pretty good as well.
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:
>> I have been very happy with Untangle!  http://www.untangle.com/
>>
>> Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job.  I used the ISO
>> version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2
>> nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my
>> home router).  It does quite well.  There is a 7.1beta that is reported to
>> be working well for everyone.  It can also do the router function, I just
>> have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation.  In
>> bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router.
>> Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried
>> that appears to do what I was looking for.  You can gain ssh shell access
>> but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine".
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Gibson Prichard
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM
>> To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
>>
>> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
>> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
>> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
>> enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try
>> another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune
>> the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very
>> disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5
>> minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to
>> restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the
>> GUI part, too.
>> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
>> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from
>> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
>> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
>> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>>
>> Gibson
>>
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Re: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Chris Faulkner
I love Untangle myself, but it does go down about once a day and
rebooting it takes about 10 minutes for it to come back live again.  I
mainly use IPFire right now with some kernel tcpip tweaks (latency for
WoW is horrible without them).  It has Content filtering, but I'm not
liking the GUI as much as I like Untangle.  Smoothwall seemed to work
pretty good as well.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:
> I have been very happy with Untangle!  http://www.untangle.com/
>
> Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job.  I used the ISO
> version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2
> nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my
> home router).  It does quite well.  There is a 7.1beta that is reported to
> be working well for everyone.  It can also do the router function, I just
> have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation.  In
> bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router.
> Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried
> that appears to do what I was looking for.  You can gain ssh shell access
> but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine".
>
> -Original Message-
> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Gibson Prichard
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM
> To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls
>
> For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
> protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
> that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
> enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try
> another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune
> the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very
> disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5
> minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to
> restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the
> GUI part, too.
> I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
> filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from
> software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
> iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
> Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?
>
> Gibson
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RE: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

2009-12-13 Thread Mark J. Bailey
I have been very happy with Untangle!  http://www.untangle.com/

Based on Ubuntu the free modules do a fairly decent job.  I used the ISO
version and loaded up an older P4 with 1gb ram and 80gb harddisk and 2
nics and set it up in "transparent bridge" mode (as I use pfsense for my
home router).  It does quite well.  There is a 7.1beta that is reported to
be working well for everyone.  It can also do the router function, I just
have a lot setup in pfsense that I wanted to keep it in the equation.  In
bridge mode, you insert Untangle inline between the LAN and the router.
Has a nice web interface and is by far the easiest thing I have ever tried
that appears to do what I was looking for.  You can gain ssh shell access
but most everything will get reset by the Untangle "engine".  

-Original Message-
From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-t...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Gibson Prichard
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:21 AM
To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [nlug] Home Content-Filtering Firewalls

For years I have used IPCop at home as a content-filtering firewall,
protecting my kids from stuff they shouldn't see online. I noticed
that IPCop seems to be stuck in a rather old release, with no real
enhancements being done that I can see. So, I thought I would try
another Linux firewall with a web GUI front end (to help my wife tune
the filters when needed). I downloaded Untangle and am very
disappointed - the internet connection seems to go down every 5
minutes with Untangle and I have to restart the content filter to
restore it. Maybe its the box I'm using, but it seems very slow on the
GUI part, too.
I was wondering what others use and what your recommendations are for
filtration of kids content at the firewall level. I'm shying away from
software on the client, since we have things like iPod touches and
iPhones that don't have ready content filters available. I have
Smoothwall, but haven't tried it yet. Any ideas?

Gibson

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