Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
Did you solve the problem for your installation? I have tetex 3.0 and lmodern from my distribution, but i copied the cont-lmt.zip into the main tree overwriting the files that came with the latin modern pakage, and still all I get are these mktexpk errors. Nothing works :( ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
On 11/4/05, Tobias Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you solve the problem for your installation? I have tetex 3.0 and lmodern from my distribution, but i copied the cont-lmt.zip into the main tree overwriting the files that came with the latin modern pakage, and still all I get are these mktexpk errors. Nothing works :( No, I have not yet solution :( -- http://vnoss.org Vietnamese Open Source Software Community ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
Hi guys, Did you check which cont-sys.tex is being used? See also the recent mswintex thread. Or just post/email the full log of \starttext hello world!\stoptext Cheers, taco Tobias Wolf wrote: Did you solve the problem for your installation? I have tetex 3.0 and lmodern from my distribution, but i copied the cont-lmt.zip into the main tree overwriting the files that came with the latin modern pakage, and still all I get are these mktexpk errors. Nothing works :( ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
Did you check which cont-sys.tex is being used? See also the
recent mswintex thread. Or just post/email the full log of
\starttext hello world!\stoptext
Cheers, taco
Well, thanks for the offer to have a look!
cont-sys.tex doesn't yet exist. It is set to defaults.
My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has
a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in
/etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is
it used anyway in ConText?).
I followed the instructions on the Wiki, but I was fairly confused
because the generic instructions and the Debian instructions being
interspersed didn't make clear what really pertains to Debian. For
instance, the paths are different, and have to be, right?
Also, I tried other non-latin-modern fonts, there are also mktexpk
errors. I don't even know what's missing as in how to create bitmap
fonts and, why do I need them at all?
The tfms are there:
$locate ec-lmr12
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/lm/ec-lmr12.tfm
$ kpsewhich ec-lmr12.tfm
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/lm/ec-lmr12.tfm
So here's the output you requested.
kind regards, Tobias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ texmfstart newtexexec test
TeXExec | processing document 'test'
TeXExec | provide ctx file
TeXExec | tex processing method: context
TeXExec | TeX run 1
TeXExec | tex engine: pdfetex
TeXExec | tex format: cont-en
TeXExec | progname: context
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.3-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5)
\write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./test.tex
ConTeXt ver: 2005.10.27 fmt: 2005.11.2 int: english mes: english
language: language en is active
protectionstate 0
system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
color : palette rollover is available
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading : Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading : Context File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys.rme loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex))
bodyfont: 12pt rm is loaded
language: patterns nl-texnansi:texnansi-1-2:2 nl-ec:ec-2-2:2 fr-
texnansi:texnansi-3-2:2 fr-ec:ec-4-2:2 de-texnansi:texnansi-5-2:2 de-e
c:ec-6-2:2 it-texnansi:texnansi-7-2:2 it-ec:ec-8-2:2 pt-texnansi:texna
nsi-9-2:2 pt-ec:ec-10-2:2 hr-ec:ec-11-2:2 pl-pl0:pl0-12-2:2 pl-ec:e
c-13-2:2 pl-qx:qx-14-2:2 cz-il2:il2-15-2:2 cz-ec:ec-16-2:2 sk-il2:i
l2-17-2:2 sk-ec:ec-18-2:2 sl-il2:il2-19-2:2 sl-ec:ec-20-2:2 en-ec:e
c-22-2:2 da-ec:ec-23-2:2 sv-ec:ec-24-2:2 af-ec:ec-25-2:2 no-ec:ec-
26-2:2 deo-ec:ec-27-2:2 uk-ec:ec-28-2:2 us-ec:ec-29-2:2 es-ec:ec-30
-2:2 ca-ec:ec-31-2:2 la-ec:ec-32-2:2 ro-ec:ec-33-2:2 tr-ec:ec-34-2
:2 fi-ec:ec-36-2:2 hu-ec:ec-37-2:2 loaded
specials: tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system : test.top loaded
(./test.top
specials: loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials: loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex)
specials: fdf loaded
)
specials: fdf,tpd loaded
)
systems : begin file test at line 1
fonts : resetting map file list
fonts : using map file: original-base
fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm
fonts : using map file: ec-base
fonts : using map file: original-ams-base
fonts : using map file: original-public-lm
[1.1{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-empty.map}{/usr/share/te
xmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-base.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips
/context/ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/ec-base.map
}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-base.map}{/usr/share/t
exmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-public-lm.map}]
systems : end file test at line 1
system : cont-err loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-err.tex
User file 'cont-sys.tex' not found, 'cont-sys.rme' has been used instead.
)kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 72 --mag 1+0/72 --dpi 72 ec-lmr12
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for ec-lmr12.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
)
Warning: pdfetex (file ec-lmr12): Font ec-lmr12 at 72 not found
Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 1184 bytes).
Transcript written on test.log.
TeXUtil | parsing file test.tex
TeXUtil | shortcuts : 0
TeXUtil | expansions: 0
TeXUtil | reductions: 0
TeXUtil |
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
Hi Tobias,
Tobias Wolf wrote:
Well, thanks for the offer to have a look!
cont-sys.tex doesn't yet exist. It is set to defaults.
My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has
a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in
/etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is
it used anyway in ConText?).
ConTeXt comes with its own map files, and that is what has your
system confused: it is using teTeX's map files (for dvips) still,
instead of the ones from the context distribution (for pdftex).
I followed the instructions on the Wiki, but I was fairly confused
because the generic instructions and the Debian instructions being
interspersed didn't make clear what really pertains to Debian. For
instance, the paths are different, and have to be, right?
I think so, but I don't use Debian so am not sure. To be honest,
this kind of mess was the reason why my contribution to that page
begins with *forcing* the removal of the distribution-supplied
teTeX. Linux packagers always seem to believe they know everything
better than the original author/developer, and they generally mess
up the author's documentation while at it. :-(
systems : begin file test at line 1
fonts : resetting map file list
fonts : using map file: original-base
fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm
fonts : using map file: ec-base
fonts : using map file: original-ams-base
fonts : using map file: original-public-lm
So far, so good. This indicates that your cont-sys is fine.
[1.1{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-empty.map}{/usr/share/te
xmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-base.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips
/context/ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/ec-base.map
}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-base.map}{/usr/share/t
exmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-public-lm.map}]
And this is the error: the map file names with 'map/dvips' in the
path are wrong. There are/should be files with identical names in
the similar 'map/pdftex' location, and those are the ones that are
should be found by pdftex, not the ones in 'map/dvips'.
I assume that the 'map/dvips' ones are also intended for ConTeXt,
but they are not the latest and greatest, and therefor lead to
errors. In virgin teTeX, the ConTeXt distributed map files
would have been found first. You can try copying all files in
map/pdftex/context to map/dvips/context, and see if that will
work. If not, you need to have a talk with a somebody who
understands the Debian teTeX package thoroughly.
systems : end file test at line 1
system : cont-err loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-err.tex
User file 'cont-sys.tex' not found, 'cont-sys.rme' has been used instead.
If you want to get rid of this message, copy the cont-sys.rme to
cont-sys.tex. No need to change anything inside, just do a copy.
Cheers, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
On 11/4/05, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tobias, Tobias Wolf wrote: Well, thanks for the offer to have a look! cont-sys.tex doesn't yet exist. It is set to defaults. My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in /etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is it used anyway in ConText?). ConTeXt comes with its own map files, and that is what has your system confused: it is using teTeX's map files (for dvips) still, instead of the ones from the context distribution (for pdftex). I fear it was even more complicated. Also some strangeness in the map files which i discovered myself in the meantime. I ripped all the context folders from my system and saw that there were even map files in /etc $locate -r /context$ /etc/texmf/map/dvips/context /etc/texmf/map/pdftex/context /etc/texmf/context /usr/share/doc/texmf/context /usr/share/doc/texmf/polish/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/context /usr/share/texmf/context /usr/share/texmf/metapost/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/scripts/context /usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/context I grepped for ec-lmt-12 in the map files and it wasn't there. But these were identical (i.e. the second contained references to cork. (why??)) $ diff cork-public-lm.map ec-public-lm.map $ So I just did $rm -rf `locate -r /context$` and inflated the cont-tmf.zip back into the tree. Maybe it would have been better to use my home dir texmf for that but there were a .texmf, a texmf and a .texmf-var already and I didn't want to hunt for some stale files first. I followed the instructions on the Wiki, but I was fairly confused because the generic instructions and the Debian instructions being interspersed didn't make clear what really pertains to Debian. For instance, the paths are different, and have to be, right? I think so, but I don't use Debian so am not sure. To be honest, this kind of mess was the reason why my contribution to that page begins with *forcing* the removal of the distribution-supplied teTeX. Linux packagers always seem to believe they know everything better than the original author/developer, and they generally mess up the author's documentation while at it. :-( It's a bad combination and makes the situation even more complicated and increasingly arcane to setup and debug. All these texmfs, maps, tfms and whatnot. Insane. Plus ConText's output only makes sense to the developers. Latin modern is up and running, though. Phew. My initial intention to compile the PDFTex docs still is a no-go. It is asking for the ec-urw-palatino.map which doesn't exist :( *getting out the typewriter* regards, Tobias Cheers, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
Hi all, For the next issue of the ntg's Maps journal, Hans and I believe it would be nice to publish the collected responses to this simple question: What do you do with ConTeXT? We think it would be nice to see all the various ways in which people experience ConTeXt. We are not looking for articles, in fact we really want just a small amount of text per user, nothing longer then you would normally type in an email message. One, perhaps two paragraphs that simply tell about your personal experience using (or playing with) (or fighting with) (or yelling at) (or staring at in bewilderment) (or revelling in) (or running away from) ConTeXt. If you like this idea, just reply to this message. I will then collect and merge the responses, and finally put a pdf on-line somewhere. Don't be shy! Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
What do I do with ConTeXT? 1. price-lists from xml (DB exports) ; 2. labels for shoes and dresses, from xml/csv ; 3. data sheetes (barcodes, code number and so on ), from xml/csv ; luigi ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
What do you do with ConTeXT?
I use ConTeXt for any document that I figure someone will want to print
out on paper some day. This includes resumes, letters, and articles. I
even considered typesetting software documentation with ConTeXt, but
haven’t yet decided if PDFs are the right medium for that kind of text.
I also typeset my master’s thesis using ConTeXt and probably spent as
much time hacking ConTeXt as I did on doing “actual work” for the
content. Not because ConTeXt couldn’t do what I wanted, but because
ConTeXt allowed me to do anything I wanted. Having a lot of options can
be time-consuming, as you want to try them all before deciding on the
one that works best. This is both the good and the bad thing about
ConTeXt. You can tweak and tweak and tweak, whereas with something like
LaTeX you have a few boring designs and you just choose the one that
suits the type of document your writing. And your document will look
like five million other research papers outh there. I wanted something
unique and ConTeXt was just the right tool for it.
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Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
Taco Hoekwater wrote: What do you do with ConTeXT? I first learned ConTeXt because of work: My employer makes measuring instruments for industry and I write and/or compile and layout the end-user manuals for those instruments. Traditionally, those manuals were written and edited in Word, but when the mass of text and the amount of figures grew, it was obvious that I needed a new tool before becoming a total wreck due to corrupted and unruly Word files. A workmate had written his thesis in TeX and started to look for various TeX based solutions, of which I finally chose ConTeXt. I had to stick to Windows because of work. We first tried MikTeX, but that just didn't work out. Then I got TeXLive and it worked - except fonts Hours later and with the help of the email list I finally found the correct combination of magical lines and there it was. And then somebody mentioned that I could get Emacs with Context-mode in Windows and that's it. That's still how I run ConteXt at work, although now there are easier Windows options available (not to talk about the Mac option...). Using Emacs usually gains points from younger nerds we occassionally employ. :-) ConTeXt was the first TeX based system I've ever used, but I was used to using styles and had done HTML (still do it by hand), so I have some idea of what I was getting into. Looking back I realize that I've learned an awful lot of things although I often feel that I don't know any of the things I should. Having to do something new usually results in curses at the beginning, but when it works, it always works. I'll still use Word (and equivalents) for small stuff, but when I need something big and printable, ConTeXt is the tool. My real ConTeXt moment came last summer, when I had to redo the layout on one of our old Word files that had been edited by somebody else in between. It was disgustingly difficult to the degree that I seriously considered cutting and pasting the whole thing into Emacs and ConTeXting it to my liking! Mari ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] extra page in presentation styles
Both of you thanks for taking the trouble to run the example. Because of your results I became convinced the problem was lurking somewhere in my part of the ConTeXt installation. That enabled me the quickly locate the culprit: a spurious comma introduced (by me of course, stupido) in cont-sys.tex (cont-sys.rme). A pity this comma did not show up in the output; it makes your help the more valuable. I am posting this message to the list, so that everyone who read my previous posting will be aware of the fact that it was no problem of ConTeXt. On Nov 4, 2005, at 0:02, Hans Hagen wrote: Otared Kavian wrote: Hi Hans, On my machine with ConTeXt ver: 2005.09.14 fmt: 2005.10.21 int: english mes: english everything is fine with the sample file you sent. Probably you should update your installation of ConTeXt. no problems here either; maybe some spurious character that has ended up in a file Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context Hans van der Meer ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Re: Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
What do you do with ConTeXT? I have a repository of learning materials which are marked up in (DocBook-based) XML. They are in a few different languages (majority English, with Spanish, Dutch and recently Chinese) and belong to several different universities/training organisations on whose behalf we maintain them. I convert the XML into ConTeX code in a batch process using a text processing language, and then use ConTeXt to typeset the result into books and booklets of different styles. We also produce web versions of a lot of the materials, and I use ConTeXt (plus ImageMagick) to create equation GIFs for maths that can't be rendered in pure HTML. We probably have about 30 million words and 10,000 figures under management, all held in the same XML structure, and need to run several releases a day. As a result, all of the processes involved in publishing, including the ConTeXt parts, are part of a batch workflow on a server, and I rarely see the ConTeXt code itself (cos it usually just works). Thanks Hans! Duncan ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
What do you do with ConTeXT? I'm using ConTeXt to typeset my Ph.D. dissertation, and have used it over the last few years to typeset seminar papers, outlines, and so on. Recently I've also helped a friend typeset his monograph. He is an architect and painter, so this text is full of diagrams, paintings, fold-out pages, prose, and indexes. ConTeXt made it possible to generate a really beautiful, complex book. I believe that there was nothing he wanted to do that we couldn't work out with ConTeXt. For some reason I've always enjoyed working through the difficulties of using a complex program that I know should work—this reached a high point with plain TeX, then LaTeX, and carried on (due to my always being restless) to my favorite: ConTeXt. Installation of fonts was particularly difficult, though I can't exactly say why—things go much more smoothly now. I spent many hours trying and retrying, reading and rereading, to get OT fonts working with margin kerning. I feel much more connection with the history and practice of typesetting working with ConTeXt than with any WYSIWYG system I've tried. ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
On 11/4/05, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tobias Wolf wrote: My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in /etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is it used anyway in ConText?). i don't use updmap at all context loads map files on demand (when configured in cont-sys.tex) when no cont-sys.tex is present, then cont-sys.rme is used the presense of those files in /etc is disturbing (and strange since tex has pretty well layed out tree with defined configuration places) i have no idea how tex + friends can/will locate those files I think they want to make people use /etc for configuration, which could make sense if you want to make backups of the system config. The updmap.d directory is supposed to make mounting maps easier, I guess. You just drop a file there containing the Map/MixedMap assignments and that is merged into updmap.cfg on issuing updmap-sys. Pretty confusing all that. But on the other hand, Hans, why can't I compile the PDFTex docs because I don't have this ( http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/006705.html ) And secondly, why is the file system searched case sensitive, so that the fonts are called in lowercase through the ConText maps (ec-raw-lte5002), so that I have to rename all files, but then mktextfm fails because it looks for ec-raw-LTe50021? For me the disturbing things are starting to prevail in my ConText experience. Is it supposed to be like that? -- Tobias Hans ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem
Tobias Wolf wrote: On 11/4/05, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the presense of those files in /etc is disturbing (and strange since tex has pretty well layed out tree with defined configuration places) i have no idea how tex + friends can/will locate those files I think they want to make people use /etc for configuration, which could make sense if you want to make backups of the system config. It is likely that the files in /etc or the ones in /usr/share/texmf are symlinks to the other set of files. A lot of the problems you have come down to this: teTeX 3.0 is not exactly the same as teTeX 2.02 was (mostly because of changes in the TeX Directory Standard); but the linux rpm/deb packages try hard to make it appear to be. Hence the attemps to make it fit in the old directory structure (Most probably this is because maintainers tend to dislike change). In the latest cont-lmt.zip from Pragma, as well as the latest Latin modern distribution on Ctan, absolutely everything is lowercase. The mixed case file names are a thing of the past, and indicate that not all of the old stuff is removed from your system (still). Cheers, and hang on, Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] compiling pdftex docs (was: cont 2005.10.27 t5-lmtt10 font problem)
Tobias Wolf wrote: But on the other hand, Hans, why can't I compile the PDFTex docs because I don't have this ( http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/006705.html ) What version of the pdftex manual? The latest one in the CVS has this around line 350: % We use adobe metrics instead of urw metrics because tetex only % ships the former. Beware, these metrics differ! \loadmapfile[context-base.map] \usetypescript [adobekb] [\defaultencoding] \usetypescript [palatino][\defaultencoding] and that additional \loadmapfile line may solve your problem. At least, that part works for menow. I had a 'ec-raw-palatino.map is missing' error message with a previous version of the manual. It still doesn't compile quite right with my pdfetex, but that is probably because it is the CVS version. ;-) Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
Hi, No there is no reason to be shy! - Context has become THE tool for all typesetting purposes. So in my environment letters, invoices, addres-labels, envelop-printing, greetingcards etc are made up in Context together with functionality provided by Metafun. A favorite issue is making flowcharts for e.g. bookbinding guides, meatprocessing or visualization of the production of a tool. Next to all this I write my own books which are completely made up in Context including imposition of the pages for folding sections in order to end up with sewn books. E.g I prepared a 600 pages book which includes over a 120 drawings and metapost-figures. This book is bound as a girdle-book. - Whenever I am asked to give a presentation there is Context involved. - Why? Just because I know I can achieve what I want! Though there is sometimes a bit of hassle after all the changes in the tex-tree occuring during time, Context is still the best environment I have ever tried. Many thanks Hans for this great environment! Willi Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi all, For the next issue of the ntg's Maps journal, Hans and I believe it would be nice to publish the collected responses to this simple question: What do you do with ConTeXT? We think it would be nice to see all the various ways in which people experience ConTeXt. We are not looking for articles, in fact we really want just a small amount of text per user, nothing longer then you would normally type in an email message. One, perhaps two paragraphs that simply tell about your personal experience using (or playing with) (or fighting with) (or yelling at) (or staring at in bewilderment) (or revelling in) (or running away from) ConTeXt. If you like this idea, just reply to this message. I will then collect and merge the responses, and finally put a pdf on-line somewhere. Don't be shy! Taco ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Mini-survey: What do you do with ConTeXt?
On Nov 4, 2005, at 15:49, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi all, For the next issue of the ntg's Maps journal, Hans and I believe it would be nice to publish the collected responses to this simple question: What do you do with ConTeXT? I have decided not too long ago to move my book-project form LaTeX to ConTeXt (it was my second try, the first one I stopped because there were too many problems). Reason: I dislike how LaTeX output generally looks (though I found memoir to be pretty good) and after reading the documentation I liked how ConTeXt looked as an interface. I think those ideas are generally still correct, but using ConTeXt is often a wrestling match for me. The documentation is a disaster if you want to find out how things work other than the few actual examples given. Going to the source to find out what options there are is not optimal. E.g. can somebody tell mem how to prevent \textline to take up so much vertical space (and yes, I tried all the settings)? Secondly, writing is less conceptual than LaTeX and more visually oriented. That is a logical consequence of its philosophy and its layout power, but I really miss a more conceptual approach (as in a LaTeX letter class or book class) on top of ConTeXt. Lately, I have also become disappointed by the non-local nature of things I ran into (e.g. having a float in an endnote and having the float end up in the vincinity of the endnote marker in the main text, not in the endnote chapter), which are things I completely did not expect to happen. I get the feeling that ConTeXt is running into TeX-as-a-programming-environment limitations. I stick to ConTeXt for my book project, but I keep everything else still in LaTeX (e.g. letters). I still think ConTeXt has the potential to outclass LaTeX completely, but it is not there yet. For ordinary non-TeXhackers like me, it is not a smooth ride. G ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
