Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-11 Thread bbvogel
On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:18, Peter Rolf wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
  Hi,
 
  I get a different result. Using a  fresh install (context-setup-mswin) on
  windows XP:
 
  !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF
  image fai
  led (0)
   == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
 
  See the added logfile.
 
  Bernard
 
 
  test.log:
  This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
  (format=cont-en 2008.6.10)  10 JUN 2008 15:23
  entering extended mode
  \write18 enabled.
 
REMOVED
  image fai
  led (0)
   == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

 afaik this is a pdftex bug, which is fixed in version 1.40.8 beta.

 1.40.8 beta (window binaries):

 ftp://udon.nict.go.jp/pub/text/TeX/ptex-win32/current/pdftex-w32.tar.bz2

 donno if this is also fixed in the latest 1.50alpha trunk (no longer
 available on akira's site).

 maybe some new windows binaries are needed for the minimal distribution.

Thanks for the hint. I tried both this version as well as the 
pdftex-stable-w32.bz2 and both don't work.

A backup (20080421) however does work. 

The first view lines from the log file:
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6) 
(format=cont-en 2008.4.21)  11 JUN 2008 08:24
entering extended mode
\write18 enabled.
 (c:/context/debug2/context/tex/texmf-context/web2c/natural.tcx)
**test.tex \emergencyend
(./test.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.19 22:41 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.21  int: english/english
===

Since the pdfTeX version is the same as the current one, I guess the problem 
is not in pdfTeX but in ConTeXt.

But using startstaticMPfigure is not a must for me. startuseMPgraphic works 
fine as well, especially with MKIV.




  
 
  On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex,
  live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any
  pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command obsolete?
 
  works ok here for pdftex (maybe no intermediate run on the garden)
 
  in mkiv there was indeed a buglet (i never tested it)
 
  Thanks,
 
  B. Vogel
 
  %test.tex
  \startstaticMPfigure{center}
   draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
   dotlabel.bot(textext((0,0)),origin) ;
  \stopstaticMPfigure
 
  \startstaticMPfigure{radius}
   draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
   drawarrow (0,0)--(1cm,0) ;
   label.bot(textext($r$),(5mm,0)) ;
  \stopstaticMPfigure
 
  \starttext
 
  Circle centered \usestaticMPfigure[center][width=1cm] at origin with
  radius \usestaticMPfigure[radius][width=1cm] $r=1\,\text{cm}$.
 
  \stoptext
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[NTG-context] experimental feature

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi,

I uploaded a beta with an experimental mkiv feature: fallback fonts.

\starttext

\definefontfallback [whatever] [Slanted] [0x0060-0x007F]
\definefontfallback [whatever] [Bold] [0x0080-0x00FF,0x00A0-0x00AF]
\definefontfallback [whatever] [BoldSlanted] [0x00C0-0x00C7]

\definefontsynonym[SerifPlus][Serif][fallbacks=whatever]

\definefont[MySerif][SerifPlus]

\MySerif

\dostepwiserecurse{0}{255}{1}{%
 {\tttf\uchexnumbers\recurselevel:}\char\recurselevel\hskip10pt plus 
5pt\relax
}

\stoptext

specifications like [Bold sa 1.2] also work

Future versions will provide multiple fallbacks, conditional fallbacks etc.

For insiders ... no virtual fonts are used which means that that in 
principle features still work ok.

BTW, In this beta OSFONTDIR is set automatically when unset, on windows 
(tested by me) and on macosx (tested by mojca); other platforms can be 
dealt with when we know what to set.

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-11 Thread bbvogel

Indeed, the latest 
ConTeXt  ver: 2008.06.10 18:23 MKIV  fmt: 2008.6.11  int: english/english
solves the problem on MKIV.

Thanks,

Bernard

On Wednesday 11 June 2008 08:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:18, Peter Rolf wrote:
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
   Hi,
  
   I get a different result. Using a  fresh install (context-setup-mswin)
   on windows XP:
  
   !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF
   image fai
   led (0)
== Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
  
   See the added logfile.
  
   Bernard
  
  
   test.log:
   This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
   (format=cont-en 2008.6.10)  10 JUN 2008 15:23
   entering extended mode
   \write18 enabled.
 
 REMOVED
 
   image fai
   led (0)
== Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
 
  afaik this is a pdftex bug, which is fixed in version 1.40.8 beta.
 
  1.40.8 beta (window binaries):
 
  ftp://udon.nict.go.jp/pub/text/TeX/ptex-win32/current/pdftex-w32.tar.bz2
 
  donno if this is also fixed in the latest 1.50alpha trunk (no longer
  available on akira's site).
 
  maybe some new windows binaries are needed for the minimal distribution.

 Thanks for the hint. I tried both this version as well as the
 pdftex-stable-w32.bz2 and both don't work.

 A backup (20080421) however does work.
 
 The first view lines from the log file:
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 (format=cont-en 2008.4.21)  11 JUN 2008 08:24
 entering extended mode
 \write18 enabled.
  (c:/context/debug2/context/tex/texmf-context/web2c/natural.tcx)
 **test.tex \emergencyend
 (./test.tex

 ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.19 22:41 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.21  int: english/english
 ===

 Since the pdfTeX version is the same as the current one, I guess the
 problem is not in pdfTeX but in ConTeXt.

 But using startstaticMPfigure is not a must for me. startuseMPgraphic works
 fine as well, especially with MKIV.

   
  
   On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi,
  
   When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex,
   live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any
   pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command
   obsolete?
  
   works ok here for pdftex (maybe no intermediate run on the garden)
  
   in mkiv there was indeed a buglet (i never tested it)
  
   Thanks,
  
   B. Vogel
  
   %test.tex
   \startstaticMPfigure{center}
draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
dotlabel.bot(textext((0,0)),origin) ;
   \stopstaticMPfigure
  
   \startstaticMPfigure{radius}
draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
drawarrow (0,0)--(1cm,0) ;
label.bot(textext($r$),(5mm,0)) ;
   \stopstaticMPfigure
  
   \starttext
  
   Circle centered \usestaticMPfigure[center][width=1cm] at origin with
   radius \usestaticMPfigure[radius][width=1cm] $r=1\,\text{cm}$.
  
   \stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Alan Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I intend to print the
 http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf
 manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ).

 However, before proceeding...

 Is there's an updated version available ?

No but it should be still valid.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Rolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:18, Peter Rolf wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 Hi,

 I get a different result. Using a  fresh install (context-setup-mswin) on
 windows XP:

 !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF
 image fai
 led (0)
  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

 See the added logfile.

 Bernard


 test.log:
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 (format=cont-en 2008.6.10)  10 JUN 2008 15:23
 entering extended mode
 \write18 enabled.

 REMOVED
 image fai
 led (0)
  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
 afaik this is a pdftex bug, which is fixed in version 1.40.8 beta.

 1.40.8 beta (window binaries):

 ftp://udon.nict.go.jp/pub/text/TeX/ptex-win32/current/pdftex-w32.tar.bz2

 donno if this is also fixed in the latest 1.50alpha trunk (no longer
 available on akira's site).

 maybe some new windows binaries are needed for the minimal distribution.
 
 Thanks for the hint. I tried both this version as well as the 
 pdftex-stable-w32.bz2 and both don't work.
 
 A backup (20080421) however does work. 
 
 The first view lines from the log file:
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6) 
 (format=cont-en 2008.4.21)  11 JUN 2008 08:24
 entering extended mode
 \write18 enabled.
  (c:/context/debug2/context/tex/texmf-context/web2c/natural.tcx)
 **test.tex \emergencyend
 (./test.tex
 
 ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.19 22:41 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.21  int: english/english
 ===
 
 Since the pdfTeX version is the same as the current one, I guess the problem 
 is not in pdfTeX but in ConTeXt.
 
 But using startstaticMPfigure is not a must for me. startuseMPgraphic works 
 fine as well, especially with MKIV.
 

just tried your code with pdftex 1.40.8beta and context beta from 
07.06.2008. it works ok here.

i will test this with yesterday beta after lunch. probably the mkiv part 
is also working then. so if you want staticmpfigure to work, you have to 
update your 'ancient' context and the pdftex binaries. :)

edit: too late, you have already tested it. and as mentioned: mkii is 
also working!

best wishes, peter

 
 

 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex,
 live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any
 pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command obsolete?
 works ok here for pdftex (maybe no intermediate run on the garden)

 in mkiv there was indeed a buglet (i never tested it)

 Thanks,

 B. Vogel

 %test.tex
 \startstaticMPfigure{center}
  draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
  dotlabel.bot(textext((0,0)),origin) ;
 \stopstaticMPfigure

 \startstaticMPfigure{radius}
  draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
  drawarrow (0,0)--(1cm,0) ;
  label.bot(textext($r$),(5mm,0)) ;
 \stopstaticMPfigure

 \starttext

 Circle centered \usestaticMPfigure[center][width=1cm] at origin with
 radius \usestaticMPfigure[radius][width=1cm] $r=1\,\text{cm}$.

 \stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-11 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Jan-Erik Hägglöf wrote:
 Hi!

 Life is much easier if everything is there, thanks it worked better.
 Unfortunally it seems that the heading part not work as expected. Only
 the first values line get the grey bg and bold font. You can see
 attached files.

You mean that you don't get this line?
Time; Decay per second; Errorlimits

To be honest - I do not understand a single line in the database
module. A really dirty future-incompatible workaround is to duplicate
the line. The first one will be swallowed and the lecond one will be
typeset, but that's a bug in the module. Hans? Taco? Why is the first
line ignored?

It worked OK some time ago, and nothing has changed in the module
itself, so it's a complete mystery.

 Thanks for helping me!

 By the way... you did for a month ago send a working gnuplot module that
 is working with Luatex. After a computercrash I lost it. Can you send
 that once again??

I guess this is the file I have sent you some time ago, but it doesn't
work any more. I suspect that this portion of code is broken (LuaTeX
doesn't create a new file any more), but I need to test before saying
anything; it might be some completely reason:

\doifmode{*\v!first}{
\immediate\openout\scratchwrite=\GNUPLOTfile.plt
\immediate\write\scratchwrite{set terminal
\@@GNUPLOToutput\space\@@GNUPLOToptions}%
\immediate\write\scratchwrite{load '\GNUPLOTfile.tmp'}%
\immediate\closeout\scratchwrite
}

I wanted to say: a dirty workaround is to run texexec with mkii
before since it does generate the file (mkiv doesn't) and then luaTeX
would use that file, but even that seems to be broken now.

Just in case that Hans can spot the reason of error, here it is, but I
will try to find some minimal example to reproduce it.


! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/luat-log.lua:74:
invalid option '%C' to 'format'.
\processMPgraphic ... \MPuserinclusions ;\!!es ) }
  \global \settrue \METAFUNi...
\handlereusableMPgraphic ...\processMPgraphic {#3}
  }\setxvalue {\@@MPG #1}{\n...
\douseMPgraphic ... [#1][#2]}\getvalue {\@@MPG #1}
  \empty \elabelgroup
to be read again
   }
\redoloop -\expandrecursecontent
  \endofloop
to be read again
   {
...
l.11 \stoptext

?


Mojca


t-gnuplot.tex
Description: TeX document


tsvmall.tex
Description: TeX document


sndfall.dat
Description: Binary data
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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Jan-Erik Hägglöf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 Followed the MyWay creating tables using CSV..in order to create
 tables from datafiles in tab separated columns.

 A weird message \line= ... stop appears

 Can someone figure it out?

 Thanks in advance

 Jan-Erik Hägglöf

Remove the % after \startTSV.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Alan Stone
Ok thanks Wolfgang.

One request though to the person/people who makes the manual(s)...

Could you please refrain from using any background color on some pages of
the print version because it unnecessarily pumps precious ink/toner from the
cartridge.

Would be *much* appreciated.

Thanks on beforehand for taking my small rant ;O) into consideration.

All the best,
Alan


On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Wolfgang Schuster 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Alan Stone
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I intend to print the
  http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf
  manual ( dated 2001.11.12 ).
 
  However, before proceeding...
 
  Is there's an updated version available ?

 No but it should be still valid.

 Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] experimental feature

2008-06-11 Thread Oliver Buerschaper
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [Slanted] [0x0060-0x007F]
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [Bold] [0x0080-0x00FF,0x00A0-0x00AF]
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [BoldSlanted] [0x00C0-0x00C7]

What's the meaning of the third parameter? Unicode ranges?

Oliver
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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 meta-ini.mkiv

 \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5%
{\blabelgroup
 \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width
 \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height
 \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%
\ifx\MPclippath\empty\xdef\MPclippath{#5}\fi
\setxvalue{MPC:#1}{\MPclippath}}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{#5}}%
 \elabelgroup}


 there seem to be an ugly sideeffect in combination with \startTEXpage ..
 \stopTEXpage. I use this to encapsulate my test graphics. The resulting
 page is only 1.1mm width (tested with several different sized gfx; width
 is always this value, height is normal).

 all tested with the beta from 07.06.2008 and luatex trunk (08.06.2008).
 todays beta has additional problems with text color (always black) and
 also some unicolored backgrounds appear black only. so i went back to
 the prior beta version and changed only the clip part.

 hm ... example ...

\setupcolors[state=start]
\starttext
\color[red]{Colored test?}
\stoptext

Tested on ConTeXt live.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread Oliver Buerschaper
 Oliver (who's comming to the meeting with the same probability as you
 are :) is preparing an installer for Mac, but his last notification
 was: I have put it aside for a while since the tools for packaging
 are buggy.

Well, now that this Mac installer project of mine has been made semi- 
official let's put it this way:

I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals  
that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide  
the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from  
the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac software.

However, a few minor issues still need to be sorted out before an  
initial version can be released to the public. For this reason (and in  
order to avoid clumsy workarounds) I'm currently waiting for an update  
of the relevant Apple developer tools which will most probably appear  
next week. That's actually pretty soon.

Oliver


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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-11 Thread Taco Hoekwater


Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 
 To be honest - I do not understand a single line in the database
 module. A really dirty future-incompatible workaround is to duplicate
 the line. The first one will be swallowed and the lecond one will be
 typeset, but that's a bug in the module. Hans? Taco? Why is the first
 line ignored?

It is not a bug, \startTSV has to be delimited by a newline.
Just remove the comment from that line and it will work as expected.

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] staticMPfigure

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Rolf
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 On Wednesday 11 June 2008 12:07, Peter Rolf wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 16:18, Peter Rolf wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 Hi,

 I get a different result. Using a  fresh install (context-setup-mswin)
 on windows XP:

 !pdfTeX error: pdftex.exe (file ./test-center.pdf): xpdf: reading PDF
 image fai
 led (0)
  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

 See the added logfile.

 Bernard


 test.log:
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 (format=cont-en 2008.6.10)  10 JUN 2008 15:23
 entering extended mode
 \write18 enabled.
 REMOVED

 image fai
 led (0)
  == Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
 afaik this is a pdftex bug, which is fixed in version 1.40.8 beta.

 1.40.8 beta (window binaries):

 ftp://udon.nict.go.jp/pub/text/TeX/ptex-win32/current/pdftex-w32.tar.bz2

 donno if this is also fixed in the latest 1.50alpha trunk (no longer
 available on akira's site).

 maybe some new windows binaries are needed for the minimal distribution.
 Thanks for the hint. I tried both this version as well as the
 pdftex-stable-w32.bz2 and both don't work.

 A backup (20080421) however does work.
 
 The first view lines from the log file:
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.50.0-alpha-20080414 (Web2C 7.5.6)
 (format=cont-en 2008.4.21)  11 JUN 2008 08:24
 entering extended mode
 \write18 enabled.
  (c:/context/debug2/context/tex/texmf-context/web2c/natural.tcx)
 **test.tex \emergencyend
 (./test.tex

 ConTeXt  ver: 2008.04.19 22:41 MKII  fmt: 2008.4.21  int: english/english
 ===

 Since the pdfTeX version is the same as the current one, I guess the
 problem is not in pdfTeX but in ConTeXt.

 But using startstaticMPfigure is not a must for me. startuseMPgraphic
 works fine as well, especially with MKIV.
 just tried your code with pdftex 1.40.8beta and context beta from
 07.06.2008. it works ok here.

 i will test this with yesterday beta after lunch. probably the mkiv part
 is also working then. so if you want staticmpfigure to work, you have to
 update your 'ancient' context and the pdftex binaries. :)

 edit: too late, you have already tested it. and as mentioned: mkii is
 also working!
 
 Then I have no idea whats going wrong. My procedure
 
 first-setup.bat
 copying the pdftex binaries...
 texmfstart texexec --make --all --pdftex
 texmfstart texexec test.tex

that's all the magic :)

have you also updated the lua scripts in texmf-mswin\bin ?
there is a command option for this, but i copy luatools.lua and 
mtxrun.lua still by hand.

texmf-context\scripts\context\lua\? -- texmf-mswin\bin\?

you have to do this every time you update context.

best wishes, peter


 generates pdf files without error but with empty pages.
 
 But MKIV is working now, so it is no longer a problem for me. 
 
 Thanks and regards, Bernard
 
 
 best wishes, peter

 

 On Tuesday 10 June 2008 14:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 When I run the example below (current beta, pdftex,
 live.contextgarden.net) the generated pdf does not contain any
 pictures. Any suggestion how to solve this? Or is the command
 obsolete?
 works ok here for pdftex (maybe no intermediate run on the garden)

 in mkiv there was indeed a buglet (i never tested it)

 Thanks,

 B. Vogel

 %test.tex
 \startstaticMPfigure{center}
  draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
  dotlabel.bot(textext((0,0)),origin) ;
 \stopstaticMPfigure

 \startstaticMPfigure{radius}
  draw fullcircle scaled 2cm ;
  drawarrow (0,0)--(1cm,0) ;
  label.bot(textext($r$),(5mm,0)) ;
 \stopstaticMPfigure

 \starttext

 Circle centered \usestaticMPfigure[center][width=1cm] at origin with
 radius \usestaticMPfigure[radius][width=1cm] $r=1\,\text{cm}$.

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Peter Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:

 meta-ini.mkiv

 \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5%
{\blabelgroup
 \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width
 \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height
 \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%
\ifx\MPclippath\empty\xdef\MPclippath{#5}\fi
\setxvalue{MPC:#1}{\MPclippath}}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{#5}}%
 \elabelgroup}


 there seem to be an ugly sideeffect in combination with \startTEXpage ..
 \stopTEXpage. I use this to encapsulate my test graphics. The resulting
 page is only 1.1mm width (tested with several different sized gfx; width
 is always this value, height is normal).

 all tested with the beta from 07.06.2008 and luatex trunk (08.06.2008).
 todays beta has additional problems with text color (always black) and
 also some unicolored backgrounds appear black only. so i went back to
 the prior beta version and changed only the clip part.

Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants
so long as it is black. (Henry Ford)

;-)

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Re: [NTG-context] experimental feature

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Oliver Buerschaper wrote:
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [Slanted] [0x0060-0x007F]
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [Bold] [0x0080-0x00FF,0x00A0-0x00AF]
 \definefontfallback [whatever] [BoldSlanted] [0x00C0-0x00C7]
 
 What's the meaning of the third parameter? Unicode ranges?

takes chars 0x0060-0x007F from Slanted (whatever it resolves to)



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Re: [NTG-context] Howto fit text into a box

2008-06-11 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
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 On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Uwe Koloska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 for a CD-Cover I have to fit a given text into a fixed box. I have tried to
 achieve this with the help of mag-0010 Good looking shapes but was not
 successful :-(

 Can you help me with this?

 The conditions:
  - the text is of fixed length
  - the area is of given size (has a given ratio)
  - the text has to fit completely inside this area
  - the last line must be justified, too
  - the fontsize of the text is the variable that can be changed
  - I have the current minimal context installation

 and as an addition:
  - if possible the words should not be hyphenated at all or hyphenated
at an arbitrary character without a hyphenation mark (the text
consists of names)

 A possible algorithm (similar to the one from mag-0010)
  1 start with a small box with the given ratio
  2 fill the text into the box
  3 if all text fits in with a small penalty we are ready
  4 make the box a bit larger
  5 goto 2

 Unfortunately, I'm not able to understand the code from the mag nor can I 
 code
 the algorithm in context ...

 I would appreciate any input on this problem!

 Thank you
 Uwe Koloska

 Not perfect but you could use it as a start. I used ruledvbox only to
 take a look
 at the boxsize. There is a parameter to disable the indenting for the last 
 line
 but I don't know it's name without looking into a TeX book.

 \startbuffer[cover]
 \input ward
 \stopbuffer

 \definetwopasslist{cover}

 \newbox\cover
 \newdimen\coverheight \coverheight= 7cm
 \newdimen\coverwidth  \coverwidth = 7cm
 \newdimen\coverfont   \coverfont  =12pt
 \newdimen\fontstep\fontstep   = 1pt

 \starttext

 \definefont[Cover][Sans at \the\coverfont]

 \gettwopassdata{cover}
 \iftwopassdatafound
  \coverfont\twopassdata
  \definefont[Cover][Sans at \the\coverfont]
 \fi

 \setbox\cover\ruledvbox
  {\hsize\coverwidth
   \Cover\setupinterlinespace
   \setupalign[nothyphenated]
   \emergencystretch\maxdimen
   \getbuffer[cover]}

 \ifdim\ht\cover\coverheight
  \advance\coverfont\fontstep
  \savetwopassdata{cover}{1}{\the\coverfont}
 \else
  \advance\coverfont-\fontstep
  \savetwopassdata{cover}{1}{\the\coverfont}
 \fi

 \ruledvbox to 7cm{\box\cover}

 \stoptext

Another version, this did work without multiple passes and is faster.

\newbox\cover
\newdimen\coverheight \coverheight= 7cm
\newdimen\coverwidth  \coverwidth = 7cm
\newdimen\coverfont   \coverfont  =12pt
\newdimen\fontstep\fontstep   = 1pt

\def\startcover
  {\dostartbuffer[cover][startcover][stopcover]}

\def\stopcover
  {\setups[cover:place]}

\def\boxsize
  {\setbox\cover\vbox
 {\hsize\coverwidth
  \definedfont[Serif at \the\coverfont]\setupinterlinespace
  \setupalign[nothyphenated]
  \emergencystretch\maxdimen
  \getbuffer[cover]}}

\def\covertext
  {\boxsize\doloop
 {\boxsize
  \ifdim\ht\cover\coverheight
\global\advance\coverfont-\fontstep
\exitloop
  \else
\global\advance\coverfont\fontstep
  \fi}}

\startsetups[cover:place]

  \covertext
  \boxsize
  \ruledvbox to\coverheight{\box\cover}

\stopsetups

\starttext

\startcover
\strut\input ward
\stopcover

\stoptext

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[NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread David C. Walden
At 07:23 AM 6/11/2008, Hans wrote:
hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

And it is useful for people who view the pages on the screen
or want to print a given page in color.  (When I print a
big manual, I use my laser printer which does not have
color rather than my inkjet printer which does have color.) 


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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with TSV tables

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Jan-Erik Hägglöf wrote:
 Hi!

 Life is much easier if everything is there, thanks it worked better.
 Unfortunally it seems that the heading part not work as expected. Only
 the first values line get the grey bg and bold font. You can see
 attached files.
 
 You mean that you don't get this line?
 Time; Decay per second; Errorlimits
 
 To be honest - I do not understand a single line in the database
 module. A really dirty future-incompatible workaround is to duplicate
 the line. The first one will be swallowed and the lecond one will be
 typeset, but that's a bug in the module. Hans? Taco? Why is the first
 line ignored?
 
 It worked OK some time ago, and nothing has changed in the module
 itself, so it's a complete mystery.
 
 Thanks for helping me!

 By the way... you did for a month ago send a working gnuplot module that
 is working with Luatex. After a computercrash I lost it. Can you send
 that once again??
 
 I guess this is the file I have sent you some time ago, but it doesn't
 work any more. I suspect that this portion of code is broken (LuaTeX
 doesn't create a new file any more), but I need to test before saying
 anything; it might be some completely reason:
 
 \doifmode{*\v!first}{
   \immediate\openout\scratchwrite=\GNUPLOTfile.plt
   \immediate\write\scratchwrite{set terminal
 \@@GNUPLOToutput\space\@@GNUPLOToptions}%
   \immediate\write\scratchwrite{load '\GNUPLOTfile.tmp'}%
   \immediate\closeout\scratchwrite
 }
 
 I wanted to say: a dirty workaround is to run texexec with mkii
 before since it does generate the file (mkiv doesn't) and then luaTeX
 would use that file, but even that seems to be broken now.
 
 Just in case that Hans can spot the reason of error, here it is, but I
 will try to find some minimal example to reproduce it.
 
 
 ! LuaTeX error ...text/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/luat-log.lua:74:
 invalid option '%C' to 'format'.

depends where the %C comes from ... maybe %%C works ok in the message

anyhow, i need to redo that module in lua i think

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread Andrea Valle

Hi Oliver,


I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals
that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide
the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac  
software.



Fantastic. Exactly what I need. But will you include TeXShop? Will  
the tex file system be local (i.e. separated from the usual locations) ?



That's actually pretty soon.


Yes, of course.

Thanks

Best

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 meta-ini.mkiv

 \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5%
{\blabelgroup
 \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width
 \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height
 \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%
\ifx\MPclippath\empty\xdef\MPclippath{#5}\fi
\setxvalue{MPC:#1}{\MPclippath}}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{#5}}%
 \elabelgroup}


 there seem to be an ugly sideeffect in combination with \startTEXpage .. 
 \stopTEXpage. I use this to encapsulate my test graphics. The resulting 
 page is only 1.1mm width (tested with several different sized gfx; width 
 is always this value, height is normal).

 all tested with the beta from 07.06.2008 and luatex trunk (08.06.2008). 
 todays beta has additional problems with text color (always black) and 
 also some unicolored backgrounds appear black only. so i went back to 
 the prior beta version and changed only the clip part.
 hm ... example ...

 
 % engine=luatex
 
 \startuniqueMPgraphic {foo}
fill OverlayBox;
 \stopuniqueMPgraphic
 
 \starttext
 
 \startTEXpage
 
 \hsize10cm \vsize10cm
 \uniqueMPgraphic{foo}
 
 \stopTEXpage
 
 \stoptext

hmm this is actually undefined behaviour since there is no background

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Re: [NTG-context] unicode feature request

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Münster
On Sat, Jun 07 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:

 i'm in the process of setting up math in mkiv and this is something that 
 taco, aditya and i will discuss at the upcoming context conference (feel 
 free to join in there)

Thanks for considering my request. Much to my regret I won't come to the
conference (due to lack of time), but I really hope to be able to come to
one of the next ones.

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Re: [NTG-context] zero padding with itemize

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Münster
On Sun, Jun 08 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:

  If yes, how? And if no, where is the magic point, where I could apply a
  patch (if it's not too difficult ;)
 
 has always been possible ...
 
 \starttext
 
 \def\mypaddednumber#1{\ifnum#19 0\fi\number#1\relax}
 
 \defineconversion[pn] [\mypaddednumber]

So the \defineconversion is the magic point I could not find (I only
searched in core-itm.tex ...).
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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
 Hi Oliver,

 I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals
 that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide
 the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
 the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac software.

 Fantastic. Exactly what I need. But will you include TeXShop?

You can use the existing TeXShop or any other editor. Besides that, in
summer or autumn a new cross-platform editor by Jonathan Kew will be
available.

 Will the tex
 file system be local (i.e. separated from the usual locations) ?

You will be able to use PreferencePane to select whether you want to
use MacTeX or ConTeXt minimals (and which version), and that will be
done globally. /usr/texbin will be a symlink to binaries.

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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread Andrea Valle

Wow, much needed.
Looking forward to see it.

Best

-a-


On 11 Jun 2008, at 18:05, Mojca Miklavec wrote:


On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:

Hi Oliver,

I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the  
minimals
that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will  
provide

the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac  
software.


Fantastic. Exactly what I need. But will you include TeXShop?


You can use the existing TeXShop or any other editor. Besides that, in
summer or autumn a new cross-platform editor by Jonathan Kew will be
available.


Will the tex
file system be local (i.e. separated from the usual locations) ?


You will be able to use PreferencePane to select whether you want to
use MacTeX or ConTeXt minimals (and which version), and that will be
done globally. /usr/texbin will be a symlink to binaries.

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Rolf
Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 meta-ini.mkiv

 \def\grabMPclippath#1#2#3#4#5%
{\blabelgroup
 \edef\width {#3\space}\let\overlaywidth \width
 \edef\height{#4\space}\let\overlayheight\height
 \doifdefinedelse{MPC:#1}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{\getvalue{MPC:#1}}%
\ifx\MPclippath\empty\xdef\MPclippath{#5}\fi
\setxvalue{MPC:#1}{\MPclippath}}
   {\xdef\MPclippath{#5}}%
 \elabelgroup}


 there seem to be an ugly sideeffect in combination with \startTEXpage .. 
 \stopTEXpage. I use this to encapsulate my test graphics. The resulting 
 page is only 1.1mm width (tested with several different sized gfx; width 
 is always this value, height is normal).

 all tested with the beta from 07.06.2008 and luatex trunk (08.06.2008). 
 todays beta has additional problems with text color (always black) and 
 also some unicolored backgrounds appear black only. so i went back to 
 the prior beta version and changed only the clip part.
 hm ... example ...

 % engine=luatex

 \startuniqueMPgraphic {foo}
fill OverlayBox;
 \stopuniqueMPgraphic

 \starttext

 \startTEXpage

 \hsize10cm \vsize10cm
 \uniqueMPgraphic{foo}

 \stopTEXpage

 \stoptext
 
 hmm this is actually undefined behaviour since there is no background

hmmm, another try (but same result)


% engine=luatex

\startuniqueMPgraphic {foo}
   fill OverlayBox;
\stopuniqueMPgraphic

\defineoverlay[foo][\uniqueMPgraphic{foo}]

\starttext

\startTEXpage

\framed[width=10cm,height=10cm,offset=overlay,background=foo]{}

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Rolf wrote:

 hmmm, another try (but same result)

can you try the latest beta? i added some hboxes around the graphics

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[NTG-context] TeXCalc

2008-06-11 Thread Alan Stone
I downloaded Taco's TeXCalc script at http://tex.aanhet.net/utils/texcalc
and installed the required perlTk thingie.

Newbie question...

How do you run this silly script (*) ?

Using ActivePerl and sciTE.

Thanks,
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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Rolf
Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 
 hmmm, another try (but same result)
 
 can you try the latest beta? i added some hboxes around the graphics


sorry, still not working here.

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Re: [NTG-context] TeXCalc

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Stone wrote:
 I downloaded Taco's TeXCalc script at http://tex.aanhet.net/utils/texcalc
 and installed the required perlTk thingie.
 
 Newbie question...
 
 How do you run this silly script (*) ?
 
 Using ActivePerl and sciTE.

maybe just

perl texcalc.pl

if i remember right it's a perltk script; it dates from the time (1999 
or so) that taco and i were exploring perltk .. in the same group or 
apps there is texwork (an tex oriented editor writen in perltk that i 
wrote plus some goodies - it still runs ok i just saw) and texshow that 
was later rewritten by taco to handle the xml variant if the syntax 
definitions

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt manual question

2008-06-11 Thread Alan Stone
hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

Good for HP, Epson, ..., cartridge manufacturers and resellers.

Not for our wallets.

Besides this detail... very well written manual though!  ;O)

Best,
Alan

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  Ok thanks Wolfgang.
 
  One request though to the person/people who makes the manual(s)...
 
  Could you please refrain from using any background color on some pages of
  the print version because it unnecessarily pumps precious ink/toner from
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  cartridge.
 
  Would be *much* appreciated.

 hm, more recent manuals tend to use even more color ...

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Hans Hagen
Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:

 hmmm, another try (but same result)
 can you try the latest beta? i added some hboxes around the graphics

 
 sorry, still not working here.

it's not related to mp at all

\starttext
 \startTEXpage

 \framed[width=10cm,height=10cm]{}

 \stopTEXpage
\stoptext

does not work, while

\starttext
 \startTEXpage

 \noindent \framed[width=10cm,height=10cm]{}

 \stopTEXpage
\stoptext

does; it has to do with the new autowidth calculator; i hope that i 
fixed it

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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread Jesse Alama
I second Andrea's opinion -- I'm also looking forward to a
straightforward way of updating ConTeXt and kin.  I'm comfortable with

  ctxtools --updatecontext, 

but much less comfortable updating binaries and fonts, based on my
experience screwing up my installation; a nice Mac OS X interface to
deal with all these would be great.  How about allowing installation of
modules from http://modules.contextgarden.net, too?

(I admit that there's probably a good deal of FUD here on my part and
it's not as complicated as I think it is.  My guess, though, is that I'm
not alone.)

Jesse

Andrea Valle [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Wow, much needed.
 Looking forward to see it.

 Best

 -a-

 On 11 Jun 2008, at 18:05, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:

 Hi Oliver,

 I've already assembled a working ConTeXt package based on the minimals
 that installs via the Apple installer. In other words, it will provide
 the same seamless installation experience to the user as known from
 the MacTeX package and, in fact, as known from any decent Mac
 software.

 Fantastic. Exactly what I need. But will you include TeXShop?

 You can use the existing TeXShop or any other editor. Besides that, in
 summer or autumn a new cross-platform editor by Jonathan Kew will be
 available.

 Will the tex
 file system be local (i.e. separated from the usual locations) ?

 You will be able to use PreferencePane to select whether you want to
 use MacTeX or ConTeXt minimals (and which version), and that will be
 done globally. /usr/texbin will be a symlink to binaries.

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Re: [NTG-context] clipping bug [or the return of the long cat]

2008-06-11 Thread Peter Rolf
Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:
 Hans Hagen schrieb:
 Peter Rolf wrote:

 hmmm, another try (but same result)
 can you try the latest beta? i added some hboxes around the graphics

 sorry, still not working here.
 
 it's not related to mp at all
 
 \starttext
  \startTEXpage
 
  \framed[width=10cm,height=10cm]{}
 
  \stopTEXpage
 \stoptext
 
 does not work, while
 
 \starttext
  \startTEXpage
 
  \noindent \framed[width=10cm,height=10cm]{}
 
  \stopTEXpage
 \stoptext
 
 does; it has to do with the new autowidth calculator; i hope that i 
 fixed it


looks good :)

clipping is also working (now that i can see the page).
thank you!


regards, peter

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Re: [NTG-context] fontscript for delicious?

2008-06-11 Thread Uwe Koloska
Hello Wolfgang,

mmmh, very curious.  Today I wasn't able to reproduce the problems I have had 
yesterday ...
Everything works exactly as you said with no changes to your files.

So I revoke and argue the converse.

Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2008 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
 I tested it now on my own system and it worked for me.

 ConTeXT:

 MtxRun | main context file:
 C:/tex/share/texmf-local/tex/context/base/context.tex
 MtxRun | current version: 2008.06.07 23:44

 context --version
MtxRun | main context 
file: 
/home/koloska/context-minimal/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex
MtxRun | current version: 2008.06.03 19:55

but with context, I was not able to compile the file, cause there are the 
tfm-files missing.

 LuaTeX:

 This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.25.3-2008060811
 ...
 This is build 1309, created on 20080608T112701Z

 luatex --version
This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.25.3-2008052302
...
This is build 0, created on 20080410T143312Z
Compiled with libpng 1.2.15; using libpng 1.2.15
Compiled with zlib 1.2.3; using zlib 1.2.3
Compiled with xpdf version 3.01

 XeTeX:

 XeTeX 3.1415926-2.2-0.999.1 (Web2C 7.5.6)

 xetex --version
XeTeX 3.1415926-2.2-0.998.5-dev (Web2C 7.5.6)

  1. The interface for the \definefontsynonym command seems to have
  changed: There is no third parameter -- this one [features=default] end
  up in the document as text.

 Makes no sense because you need the third parameter to define smallcaps
 if you don't have a seperate font but select it as OpenType feature.
 Kerning, ligatures etc. are enabled with the features parameter too.

No idea, what was wrong ...
The third parameter was included as normal text in the resulting pdf.

  2. To load the typescript, the command is not \usetypefile  [delicious]
  but \usetypescriptfile  [type-delicious]

 Why did it not work for you, do you get a error message or is the file
 not loaded,
 give us more information, ConTeXt version, LuaTeX version, log files ...

I've got an error that the command doesn't matches it's definition.
This works today without problems, too ...

I'm on linux and have installed the context minimal with the help of 
first-setup.sh on 2008-06-07.

So, thank you for your help!
The next time I get any curious result, I will save the logfiles ;-)

Uwe
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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

2008-06-11 Thread Maurí­cio
Sorry to insist, but I would be really interested in approaches
that are not just great things we could add to TeX.

For instance: would it be possible to have some kind of “layout
engine” to which text processing would be just one among other
plug-ins? I wonder what kind of information that engine should
share with plug-ins. Do you think such system is possible? Or
something else?

Maurício


Maurício a écrit :
  Hi,
 
  Just because I'm curious: how could a typesetting system like TeX
  be if it was created today? I've tried google and wikipedia, and
  all I found different from TeX is a system called 'Lout', but it
  seems dead.
 
  (...)

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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

2008-06-11 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid
Hi Maurício,

On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:12:21 -0600, Maurí­cio [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Sorry to insist, but I would be really interested in approaches
 that are not just great things we could add to TeX.

 For instance: would it be possible to have some kind of “layout
 engine” to which text processing would be just one among other
 plug-ins? I wonder what kind of information that engine should
 share with plug-ins. Do you think such system is possible? Or
 something else?

I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this. Don't hold back!

Best wishes
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Re: [NTG-context] distro info

2008-06-11 Thread David
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:37:11 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
 David wrote:
 On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:34:15 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
 Andrea Valle wrote:
 Hmm, with Luatex I can use system fonts like in XeTeX. Am I right?
 yes, if you set up OSFONTDIR
 
 
 
 I would like to set up OSFONTDIR, but I don't know how or where or when 
 to do so. I've tried setting it in my bash profile, and that seems to 
 have no effect. What is the correct procedure? (I'm on a Mac, if it 
 matters.)
 
 we can consider setting it up automatically but that can only be done 
 when it's a stable location


Well, that would be excellent from my point of view, of course. But my 
question is much more simple: I only want to know, where and when do I 
type OSFONTDIR=...?

I've read many times that in order to use it I need to set it up, but 
I actually don't know what set it up means in this situation.

Thanks
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Re: [NTG-context] How could a typesetting system be today?

2008-06-11 Thread Charles P. Schaum
Do you mean like Scrivener on the Mac?

What, in any case, constitutes a universal layout approach? Does one
exist?

For example, I can do things with plain TeX that mighty InDesign must
balk at. Yet some see TeX as yesteryear's solution because of subsequent
tech advances.

I hardly believe that DEK would be dogmatic about TeX being the only
thing out there. Yet he, and thousands of others in the scientific
communities where TeX flourishes, sees the value of maintaining a
knowledge base that is predictable when it runs on a program that can
pass the trip test.

Lose that for the sake of innovation, and you can lose real knowledge.
And what shall we say for troff, which still possesses an arcane sort of
longevity?

Imagine this: if you can use TeX running on some older PC and you have
some remotely managed BSD setup with packet radio and EME bouncing or
whatever, you can be creating documents for all the world to see even if
you are out in the bush with a generator and mosquito netting.

So TeX's stability has the interesting potential side effect of giving a
voice to the voiceless. Our cast-off hardware becomes a window for
freedom of speech and expression, as well as the free-beer philanthropy
element of getting it into people's hands.

If there is to be a universality to layout, part of that should also
extend not just across current technologies but also have plugins that
can support older technologies. That way we do not generate
technological segregation. There are places where people still go
outside to relieve themselves, and there are the Japanese washlets at
the other extreme. But the human component remains, nonetheless.

At minimum, what one needs is a cross-disciplinary approach. My work
usually involves issues of finance and development, scheduling, good old
editing, elements of design, and knowledge of the subject matter. All
these factors directly or indirectly affect layout.

Here's where I see the Mac as helpful. On the one hand, you have Aqua,
while there's also X and good old terminal. Some folks think abstractly
and can whack out macros like Paul Bunyan chops wood. Some think
visually and need visual or modular dev tools. Some people are good at
modeling situations that are dynamic and interactive, while others have
the knack for getting to tried and true base issues that remain when all
the noise and lights are gone.

If you read Ian Barbour or Jacques Ellul, you see that identity and
techne are linked and that the sciences do things differently than the
humanities at a deeper level than just style manuals and the inverse
relation of obfuscated jargon to psycho-sociological rhetoric.

I just don't see a unified typesetting engine in the works until
something can easily embrace different national traditions for
typesetting, type styles, design preferences, etc. In Germany, man
nehmet Dr. Oetker, while in America it's doctor schmocktor, I just wanna
feel good amidst an orgiastic consumer society. Think that doesn't get
reflected in design choices? 'Cause it does.

DEK may be a formidable computer scientist. Yet, as one of his cousins
that is a friend of mine and another friend that was two years behind
him in high school said, Knuth always loved things like words and music.
His literary acumen reflects his tutelage in a school strongly
influenced by the classical Gymnasium. He is a man of culture and taste,
and he brought all his respect and research regarding longstanding,
tried and true typographical traditions to his writing of TeX.

Could there be new stuff? Sure. But an exploration of type, typography,
layout, and design also points us to some of our basic thoughts on
preferences, identity, habituation, etc.

Charles

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:12 -0300, Maurí­cio wrote:
 Sorry to insist, but I would be really interested in approaches
 that are not just great things we could add to TeX.
 
 For instance: would it be possible to have some kind of “layout
 engine” to which text processing would be just one among other
 plug-ins? I wonder what kind of information that engine should
 share with plug-ins. Do you think such system is possible? Or
 something else?
 
 Maurício
 
 
 Maurício a écrit :
   Hi,
  
   Just because I'm curious: how could a typesetting system like TeX
   be if it was created today? I've tried google and wikipedia, and
   all I found different from TeX is a system called 'Lout', but it
   seems dead.
  
   (...)
 
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