Re: [NTG-context] narrowered columns on background image?
Am 12.02.2014 um 16:50 schrieb Rudolf Bahr qu...@quasi.de:
Hi All,
in the following two code examples I tried to place text in columns on a
background image.
The first example, partly achieved by plain TeX commands is ok, even
narrowering works.
Have a look at the attached .pdf file.
The second example isn't ok. Neither narrowering nor putting the text into
columns work.
Though the code of the first example is completely good enough for me, I'd
like to learn where my
mistakes in the 2. example are. Any ideas?
You have to use boxedcolumns environment because the normal columns environment
doesn’t work in a frame.
\setupexternalfigures[location={local,global,default}]
\starttext
\defineoverlay[muh][{\externalfigure[cow][width=\overlaywidth,
height=\overlayheight]}]
\startframed[width=max,height=0.4\textheight,background=muh,align=right,foregroundcolor=darkred]%
\startboxedcolumns[n=3]
It was a dark and stormy night. The rain came down in tons. The old captain
said: \quotation{Antonio, come and tell us a story!} And Antonio began as
follows:
\quotation{It was a dark and stormy night. The rain ...}
\stopboxedcolumns
\stopframed
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
Andreas, Thank you for the reply. I'm afraid that I don't know how to manually manipulate the PDF Catalog. I was able to successfully build the code on this page http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/036947.html but I had to add \placebookmarks[chapter,section][chapter][force=yes] and although I have Evince's Index visible, all of the PageLabels are 1 and when I click on the entry it doesn't change to the correct page. I do get an error from Evince that says failed to look up aut:3 or another number. I'm not sure what my options are. Troy ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Keith J. Schultz schul...@uni-trier.dewrote:
Hi Mikael,
Basically, I see your problem with ConTeXts handling of math as a matter
of taste!
That is you want LaTeX syntax.
It is easy enough to get the results you want.
The only place where I see a bug is that a single prime is set larger than
multple
primes.
regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
I do not agree with you. It is not so important to have the same syntax as
in LaTeX (exception: it would be nice to get double bars from \| since it
does not make sense to have \| yield a single bar since | does), but to be
able to write very common formulas (look at the example with double
derivative with respect to x in my examples above, and tell me how to do
that correctly in ConTeXt!) in an acceptable way.
Best regards, Mikael
Am 11.02.2014 um 14:18 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Keith J. Schultz
schul...@uni-trier.dewrote:
Am 11.02.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
Hi,
I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It
worked just fine.
At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but
research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt
and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).
It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling
that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to
output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1]
l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with
source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.
In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and
probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need
tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from
hackery solutions (for several reasons).
I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure
is ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in
the previous email in mind:
* How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative
(f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the
first derivative is the one I prefer)?
No sure if to call this a bug! It seems that a single prime is always
larger than multiple ones!
You can always change its size!
I think the user should not have to change its size. All primes should
have the same size, independent if they are one or several.
* How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX
example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)?
have to switch things around: f''_xx or f''_{xx} depending on the actual
result you want.
I know about the grouping. Please have a look at my example files in my
earlier post in this thread.
* Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed
(integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books).
Not sure what you want here! example? can be LateX
As above, I gave examples...
Best regards, Mikael
* What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals
and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)?
* I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous
thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of
course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that
if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of
things that should just work as expected...
Best regards, Mikael
regards
Keith
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[NTG-context] textwidth in (simple)columns
With \startcolumn[n=2] the \textwidth appears as the columnwidth, but with \startsimplecolumns[n=2] it stays the full breadth of the page. Is there a remedy? Changing to \startcolumns is no option because it does not work inside \startframedtext, and \startboxedcolumns is no option because I found cases where (apparently with a clear cause) sometimes material disappeared (I posted here a remark on this sometime ago) Hans van der Meer ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: I do not agree with you. It is not so important to have the same syntax as in LaTeX (exception: it would be nice to get double bars from \| since it does not make sense to have \| yield a single bar since | does) That is the Plain TeX syntax for double bar FWIW. Regards, Khaled ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 02:40:18PM +0100, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: I do not agree with you. It is not so important to have the same syntax as in LaTeX (exception: it would be nice to get double bars from \| since it does not make sense to have \| yield a single bar since | does) That is the Plain TeX syntax for double bar FWIW. Regards, Khaled ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ Indeed, and I think that in all I have written (I don't know plain TeX so well) above one can insert plain TeX instead of LaTeX. I can add that I think that the horizontal space between the integral sign and the function is too large. Compare with plain TeX/LaTeX. Maybe that comes from having smaller size of the limits? I hope that you dont get me wrong. I would like to use ConTeXt more than I do today. But at the moment it just don't give the expected output when it comes to math. Are there any other mathematicians on this list that can raise their voices and tell what they think? Best regards, Mikael ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics
Hi Mikael,
as in my first answer use:
f''_xx or f''_{xx} if you need both xs'
I have tried it at it looks very similar to your LaTeX example.
Start another thread about the single prime as bug. Since this one is marked as
OT
and others more more knowledgeable might not be reading this.
regards
Keith.
Am 13.02.2014 um 14:40 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Keith J. Schultz schul...@uni-trier.de
wrote:
Hi Mikael,
Basically, I see your problem with ConTeXts handling of math as a matter of
taste!
That is you want LaTeX syntax.
It is easy enough to get the results you want.
The only place where I see a bug is that a single prime is set larger than
multple
primes.
regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
I do not agree with you. It is not so important to have the same syntax as in
LaTeX (exception: it would be nice to get double bars from \| since it does
not make sense to have \| yield a single bar since | does), but to be able to
write very common formulas (look at the example with double derivative with
respect to x in my examples above, and tell me how to do that correctly in
ConTeXt!) in an acceptable way.
Best regards, Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
On 2/13/2014 1:39 PM, Troy Henderson wrote:
Andreas,
Thank you for the reply. I'm afraid that I don't know how to manually
manipulate the PDF Catalog. I was able to successfully build the code
on this page
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2008/036947.html
but I had to add
\placebookmarks[chapter,section][chapter][force=yes]
and although I have Evince's Index visible, all of the PageLabels are
1 and when I click on the entry it doesn't change to the correct
page. I do get an error from Evince that says failed to look up aut:3
or another number.
I'm not sure what my options are.
mkiv:
\nopdfcompression
\setupinteraction
[state=start]
\defineconversionset[frontpart:pagenumber][][romannumerals]
\defineconversionset[bodypart:pagenumber] [][numbers]
\defineconversionset[appendix:pagenumber] [][Characters]
\setupuserpagenumber[numberconverionset=pagenumber,way=byblock]
\setupheadertexts[Page \userpagenumber\ of \lastuserpagenumber]
\starttext
\startfrontmatter
\startchapter[title=Fontpart]
\dorecurse{20}{\input knuth \footnote{test}\par}
\stopchapter
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
\startchapter[title=Bodypart]
\dorecurse{20}{\input tufte\par}
\stopchapter
\stopbodymatter
\startappendices
\startchapter[title=Appendix]
\dorecurse{20}{\input zapf\par}
\stopchapter
\stopappendices
\stoptext
gigves in the pdf:
/PageLabels /Nums [ 0 /S /r 6 /S /D 11 /S /A ]
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Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
Hans, Attached is a screenshot of what your output looks like in Evince. I am trying to get the Page Number listed as A for the Appendix. Troy attachment: screenshot.png___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
On 2/13/2014 4:28 PM, Troy Henderson wrote: Hans, Attached is a screenshot of what your output looks like in Evince. I am trying to get the Page Number listed as A for the Appendix. It shows ok in Okular and Sumatrapdf (both on windows) so it's probably a bug in Evince then. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Troy Henderson wrote: Hans, Attached is a screenshot of what your output looks like in Evince. I am trying to get the Page Number listed as A for the Appendix. If I add \placebookmarks[chapter,section][chapter][force=yes] to Hans's example and compile it (using the old ConTeXt ver 2013.12.24), I see the bookmarks in Evince (ver 3.10.3 on Linux). See the attached figure. Aditya attachment: bookmarks.png___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
I do have an older version of Evince on this machine (v. 2.32.0). I have a new version installed on another machine. I will check it there. Thank you very much. My only question now would be how to remove the 1 and A PRECEDING the chapter names (as indicated in the attached editing of Aditya's screenshot). Troy attachment: screenshot.png___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Divider in grid environment
On 2014-02-08 Jan Tosovsky wrote:
On 2014-02-08 Jan Tosovsky wrote:
Additionally, I'd like to keep that divider with the previous content
(paragraph).
In this case AFAIK \testpage[n] cannot be used directly in the divider
definition as it breaks the page at position of this command.
I'd like to express rather: If there is no space for three lines,
break the page, but grab few previous lines (at least 2) together
with me (according to orphan/widow settings).
The current behaviour can be demonstrated using this example:
\startsetups[grid][mypenalties]
\setdefaultpenalties
\setpenalties\widowpenalties{2}{1}
\setpenalties\clubpenalties {2}{1}
\stopsetups
\setuplayout[grid=yes, setups=mypenalties]
\showgrid
\showlayoutcomponents
\starttext
\blank[force, 30*line]
\input{tufte}
\blank[4mm]\middlealigned{\hl[4]}\blank[6mm]
\stoptext
I found that \page[no] does exactly what I wanted. If needed, it breaks the
page not at the positon of a divider, but sooner, so that divider is
preceded at least with 2 lines of text.
\page[no]\blank[4mm]\middlealigned{\hl[4]}\blank[6mm]
Jan
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Re: [NTG-context] Appendix Page Numbering
My desired PDF PageLabels are in the attached PNG. I have also attached a ConTeXt source file that attempts attempts this, but clearly I am missing a bit. I would appreciate any help in accomplishing this effect. Troy attachment: screenshot.png foo.tex Description: TeX document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] narrowered columns on background image?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:52:44AM +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
You have to use boxedcolumns environment because the normal columns
environment doesn’t work in a frame.
\setupexternalfigures[location={local,global,default}]
\starttext
\defineoverlay[muh][{\externalfigure[cow][width=\overlaywidth,
height=\overlayheight]}]
\startframed[width=max,height=0.4\textheight,background=muh,align=right,foregroundcolor=darkred]%
\startboxedcolumns[n=3]
It was a dark and stormy night. The rain came down in tons. The old captain
said: \quotation{Antonio, come and tell us a story!} And Antonio began as
follows:
\quotation{It was a dark and stormy night. The rain ...}
\stopboxedcolumns
\stopframed
\stoptext
Yes, that's it, what I didn't know: boxedcolumns. Your example works very well,
even with inserted
narrower environment:
\startframed[...]
\startnarrower
\startboxedcolumns[n=3]
...
...
\stopboxedcolumns
\stopnarrower
\stopframed
Many thanks, Wolfgang, for your patient explanation! You helped me so many
times!
Rudolf
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