Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
> It is likely that the files in /etc or the ones in /usr/share/texmf > are symlinks to the other set of files. That's right. Maps are kept in /etc /usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex -> /etc/texmf/map/pdftex /usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips -> /etc/texmf/map/dvips > A lot of the problems you have come down to this: teTeX 3.0 is not > exactly the same as teTeX 2.02 was (mostly because of changes in > the TeX Directory Standard); but the linux rpm/deb packages try > hard to make it appear to be. Hence the attemps to make it fit in > the old directory structure (Most probably this is because > maintainers tend to dislike change). > > In the latest cont-lmt.zip from Pragma, as well as the latest Latin > modern distribution on Ctan, absolutely everything is lowercase. > The mixed case file names are a thing of the past, and indicate > that not all of the old stuff is removed from your system (still). It was a fresh install with custom font sets copied from my discontinued Miktex installation which wasn't case sensitive. What I didn't know was that I needed to regenerate stuff with texfont. In the beginning I just lowercased the ASCII files with sed and couldn't figure out where still references to the old uppercase filenames came from. BTW, I must say I kind of preferred Miktex. > Cheers, and hang on, > > Taco Thanks for the upkeep ;) But I'm still not convinced that spending half the time on the content and the other half (or more) on Context is such a good thing. -- Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] compiling pdftex docs (was: cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem)
On 11/4/05, Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tobias Wolf wrote:
> > But on the other hand, Hans, why can't I compile the PDFTex docs
> > because I don't have this (
> > http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/006705.html )
>
> What version of the pdftex manual? The latest one in
> the CVS has this around line 350:
I think I was past that by now. (through the Psnfss page on the Wiki,
which doesn't mention that warning)
> It still doesn't compile quite right with my pdfetex,
> but that isprobably because it is the CVS version. ;-)
There are loads of errors remaining (in the version from tug.org) like
the following, which is also present in the atpragma mode:
! Missing number, treated as zero.
}
\tabulatecontent ...NR \HL \NC \type {\pdfoutput }
\NC integer \NC 0 \NC \DV...
\fulltabulatecontent ...dcontent \tabulatecontent
\tabulatetailcontent \remo...
\processtabulate ...sa \crcr \fulltabulatecontent
\crcr }}\ifnum \nofautotab...
l.27 \stoptabulate
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Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
On 11/4/05, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tobias Wolf wrote: > > >My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has > >a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in > >/etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is > >it used anyway in ConText?). > > > > > i don't use updmap at all > > context loads map files on demand (when configured in cont-sys.tex) > > when no cont-sys.tex is present, then cont-sys.rme is used > > the presense of those files in /etc is disturbing (and strange since tex > has pretty well layed out tree with defined configuration places) > > i have no idea how tex + friends can/will locate those files I think they want to make people use /etc for configuration, which could make sense if you want to make backups of the system config. The updmap.d directory is supposed to make mounting maps easier, I guess. You just drop a file there containing the Map/MixedMap assignments and that is merged into updmap.cfg on issuing updmap-sys. Pretty confusing all that. But on the other hand, Hans, why can't I compile the PDFTex docs because I don't have this ( http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2004/006705.html ) And secondly, why is the file system searched case sensitive, so that the fonts are called in lowercase through the ConText maps (ec-raw-lte5002), so that I have to rename all files, but then mktextfm fails because it looks for ec-raw-LTe50021? For me the disturbing things are starting to prevail in my ConText experience. Is it supposed to be like that? -- Tobias > Hans > > ___ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
On 11/4/05, Taco Hoekwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Tobias, > > Tobias Wolf wrote: > > > > Well, thanks for the offer to have a look! > > cont-sys.tex doesn't yet exist. It is set to defaults. > > My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has > > a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in > > /etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is > > it used anyway in ConText?). > > ConTeXt comes with its own map files, and that is what has your > system confused: it is using teTeX's map files (for dvips) still, > instead of the ones from the context distribution (for pdftex). I fear it was even more complicated. Also some strangeness in the map files which i discovered myself in the meantime. I ripped all the context folders from my system and saw that there were even map files in /etc $locate -r /context$ /etc/texmf/map/dvips/context /etc/texmf/map/pdftex/context /etc/texmf/context /usr/share/doc/texmf/context /usr/share/doc/texmf/polish/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/context /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/context /usr/share/texmf/context /usr/share/texmf/metapost/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/afm/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/hoekwater/context /usr/share/texmf/scripts/context /usr/share/texmf/bibtex/bst/context I grepped for ec-lmt-12 in the map files and it wasn't there. But these were identical (i.e. the second contained references to cork. (why??)) $ diff cork-public-lm.map ec-public-lm.map $ So I just did $rm -rf `locate -r /context$` and inflated the cont-tmf.zip back into the tree. Maybe it would have been better to use my home dir texmf for that but there were a .texmf, a texmf and a .texmf-var already and I didn't want to hunt for some stale files first. > > I followed the instructions on the Wiki, but I was fairly confused > > because the generic instructions and the Debian instructions being > > interspersed didn't make clear what really pertains to Debian. For > > instance, the paths are different, and have to be, right? > > I think so, but I don't use Debian so am not sure. To be honest, > this kind of mess was the reason why my contribution to that page > begins with *forcing* the removal of the distribution-supplied > teTeX. Linux packagers always seem to believe they know everything > better than the original author/developer, and they generally mess > up the author's documentation while at it. :-( It's a bad combination and makes the situation even more complicated and increasingly arcane to setup and debug. All these texmfs, maps, tfms and whatnot. Insane. Plus ConText's output only makes sense to the developers. Latin modern is up and running, though. Phew. My initial intention to compile the PDFTex docs still is a no-go. It is asking for the ec-urw-palatino.map which doesn't exist :( *getting out the typewriter* regards, Tobias > > Cheers, Taco > > ___ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
> Did you check which cont-sys.tex is being used? See also the
> recent mswintex thread. Or just post/email the full log of
>
>\starttext hello world!\stoptext
>
> Cheers, taco
Well, thanks for the offer to have a look!
cont-sys.tex doesn't yet exist. It is set to defaults.
My system, as I mentioned, is teTex 3 from Debian unstable, which has
a weird new map system that is working through .cfg files in
/etc/texmf/updmap.d . I kept it there, so it mounts lm.map itself (is
it used anyway in ConText?).
I followed the instructions on the Wiki, but I was fairly confused
because the generic instructions and the Debian instructions being
interspersed didn't make clear what really pertains to Debian. For
instance, the paths are different, and have to be, right?
Also, I tried other non-latin-modern fonts, there are also mktexpk
errors. I don't even know what's missing as in "how to create bitmap
fonts" and, why do I need them at all?
The tfms are there:
$locate ec-lmr12
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/lm/ec-lmr12.tfm
$ kpsewhich ec-lmr12.tfm
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/tfm/public/lm/ec-lmr12.tfm
So here's the output you requested.
kind regards, Tobias
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ texmfstart newtexexec test
TeXExec | processing document 'test'
TeXExec | provide ctx file
TeXExec | tex processing method: context
TeXExec | TeX run 1
TeXExec | tex engine: pdfetex
TeXExec | tex format: cont-en
TeXExec | progname: context
This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.3-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5)
\write18 enabled.
entering extended mode
(./test.tex
ConTeXt ver: 2005.10.27 fmt: 2005.11.2 int: english mes: english
language: language en is active
system : cont-new loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
color : palette rollover is available
)
system : cont-old loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading : Context Old Macros
)
system : cont-fil loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading : Context File Synonyms
)
system : cont-sys.rme loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex))
bodyfont: 12pt rm is loaded
language: patterns nl->texnansi:texnansi->1->2:2 nl->ec:ec->2->2:2 fr->
texnansi:texnansi->3->2:2 fr->ec:ec->4->2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->5->2:2 de->e
c:ec->6->2:2 it->texnansi:texnansi->7->2:2 it->ec:ec->8->2:2 pt->texnansi:texna
nsi->9->2:2 pt->ec:ec->10->2:2 hr->ec:ec->11->2:2 pl->pl0:pl0->12->2:2 pl->ec:e
c->13->2:2 pl->qx:qx->14->2:2 cz->il2:il2->15->2:2 cz->ec:ec->16->2:2 sk->il2:i
l2->17->2:2 sk->ec:ec->18->2:2 sl->il2:il2->19->2:2 sl->ec:ec->20->2:2 en->ec:e
c->22->2:2 da->ec:ec->23->2:2 sv->ec:ec->24->2:2 af->ec:ec->25->2:2 no->ec:ec->
26->2:2 deo->ec:ec->27->2:2 uk->ec:ec->28->2:2 us->ec:ec->29->2:2 es->ec:ec->30
->2:2 ca->ec:ec->31->2:2 la->ec:ec->32->2:2 ro->ec:ec->33->2:2 tr->ec:ec->34->2
:2 fi->ec:ec->36->2:2 hu->ec:ec->37->2:2 loaded
specials: tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system : test.top loaded
(./test.top
specials: loading definition file tpd
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials: loading definition file fdf
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex)
specials: fdf loaded
)
specials: fdf,tpd loaded
)
systems : begin file test at line 1
fonts : resetting map file list
fonts : using map file: original-base
fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm
fonts : using map file: ec-base
fonts : using map file: original-ams-base
fonts : using map file: original-public-lm
[1.1{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-empty.map}{/usr/share/te
xmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-base.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips
/context/ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/ec-base.map
}{/usr/share/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-base.map}{/usr/share/t
exmf/fonts/map/dvips/context/original-public-lm.map}]
systems : end file test at line 1
system : cont-err loaded
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-err.tex
> User file 'cont-sys.tex' not found, 'cont-sys.rme' has been used instead. <
)kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode / --bdpi 72 --mag 1+0/72 --dpi 72 ec-lmr12
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for ec-lmr12.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
)
Warning: pdfetex (file ec-lmr12): Font ec-lmr12 at 72 not found
Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 1184 bytes).
Transcript written on test.log.
TeXUtil | parsin
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
Did you solve the problem for your installation? I have tetex 3.0 and lmodern from my distribution, but i copied the cont-lmt.zip into the main tree overwriting the files that came with the latin modern pakage, and still all I get are these mktexpk errors. Nothing works :( ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] cont 2005.10.27 & t5-lmtt10 font problem
> This package was installed on my teTeX system. Do you also use the lmodern Debian package from unstable? ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Sparklines to be in ConTeXt?
>The particular temptation that I saw was that they _aren't_ a substitute >for a full graph -- they're only a substitute for the information one gets >were trying to put so much information in them that one would need to spend >time studying them to read them, and that misses the point. > Personally, I haven't yet written anything that seemed to provide a good > use for them, so I'm sort of waiting to have a real opinion on them until I > actually find a place to give them a proper try-out in a "real-world" > situation. > > In any case, I do agree that MetaPost is probably one of the best ways to > implement them, and ConTeXt's MetaPost integration should make it quite > easy to organize such implementations. To clarify, my question wasn't a request or anything. I see it in the same position as you, a toy used in exploration of some concepts that nonetheless seem to be based on some valid points. One of them being that the data and the text shouldn't be too disparate, floated far afield, and another that the content to presentation ratio should be maximal. These Sparklines cannot replace a full-blown figure but afford to approach data more in the sense of reading than in the sense of deciphering. I asked here because everything about it screamed ConTeXt (also considering that the favourite command here seems to be \input tufte). Thought this meme must have infected some here. - Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Sparklines to be in ConTeXt?
Hey, what do you people actually think about E. Tufte's Sparklines?² They are a great and innovative thing in my mind; both in the information mediating and the typographic sense. There's a bare-bones LaTeX package on CTAN, but when I think about it, this technique could find a perfect place in ConTeXt's framework (say MetaPost, XML, Scripting and so on. There's even some kind of Ruby implementation³). - Tobias ² http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001OR&topic_id=1 ³ http://redhanded.hobix.com/inspect/sparklinesForMinimalists.html ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Presentation Styles
On 5/19/05, Hans Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > M.guravage wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I recently prepared a presentation using pre-05. The Topics, represented as > > buttons in a column on the left, are now each preceeded by a number. This > > was not the case when I last used the style back in January. Interestingly, > > s-pre-05.tex has not changed since then. This behavior is the same on both > > the latest ConTeXt alpha and beta releases. > > > > I'd appreciate it very much if anyone could shed some light on why these > > numbers are appearing. > > it runs ok here; i'll send you my core-lst.tex file > > Hans Could you provide it to all, please? I experience the same. Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Context, LaTeX, or an XML for academic writing?
> Ask somebody in your field who is really good at TeX for the LaTeX > sources of his/her thesis, > and use them as templates. Spend as little time as possible thinking > about > layout and as much as you can about content. You speak the truth. I really want to avoid that. I do have solid experience with LaTeX and could start right away with it. Considering ConTeXt comes from its clear conceptual advantages. I'm basing the decision on whether someone can point me into a direction and say: "use this, it looks great and you'll be content with it". > You only will have the energy to strive for excellence in layout after > you have > had the satisfaction of creating content worthy of it. I did a presentation before with ConTeXt and exactly that was the painful lesson I learned. Thanks for the advice - Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Context, LaTeX, or an XML for academic writing?
> As John already pointed out: Using "pdflatex" this is also possible with > LaTeX (well, both use PDFTeX behind the scenes). That was what I meant of course. I always avoided DVI by using PdfTeX. > Well, the question is how much you want to change; I think one can (in > both cases) live with the defaults provided (plus some minor changes). > The defaults in LaTeX are arguably better, ConTeXt on the other hand > allows changes much easier. I have also the feeling that ConTeXt's > figure placement is better - at least I had so far not as much problems > as with LaTeX. (In LaTeX frequently all figures are collected at the > very end of the document -- or in between when one does a \clearpage.) Exactly these were my considerations. The topic this time forces me to include many graphics and placement with LaTeX often depends on either luck or browsing through many obscure packages that try to alleviate the situation. On the other hand does the ConTeXt default look rather "bare-bones" and I'm afraid that I'll lose myself in micro- and macro-tweaking. > One reason to favour LaTeX is that many publishing houses are accepting > LaTeX submission, while for ConTeXt less so. This is maybe less a > problem for BSc/MSc theses, but for PhD theses, where one frequently > includes some (own, published) papers, this means extra work. Having > said that, I have written my diploma (~ MSc) thesis in physics using > ConTeXt and I do plan to do so for my PhD as well. That will be less of an issue for me (The paper that will be published based also on my findings is formatted in Word(TM)). > I can send you the environment I used;¹ the layout could probably done > better, but I think (hope) that it looks quite ok; I used Latin > Modern/Computer Modern at 12pt on A4. (For my PhD theses I'll use > probably use octavo/A5.) It looks quite nice. At first the baselines seemed a bit fuzzy in acroread but that was an illusion I guess. I you sent me your thing to have a peek at that would surely be very instructive. Go ahead, please! - Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
[NTG-context] Context, LaTeX, or an XML for academic writing?
Dear NTG-context denizens, today I went to work to make up my mind about whether it would be a good idea to go ahead and produce my BSc. Thesis with ConTeXt. It's clear, I'm very much attracted to it's approach, I do like the syntax and the focus on PDF output (I never used DVI before) et cetera pp. This is my first post to the list and I'm happy that CB just formulated my main requirements. The hard contraints are certainly 2, 3 and 5. I've seen Hrabans' ciee juxtaposition of ConTeXt and LaTeX, and after searching the list I am not sure whether going for a KOMA class wouldn't be better considering that I definitely don't have time develop my own ConTeXt environment this time. I've also seen the MS thesis of Han The Thanh. It's good. But I would need something more suited for natural sciences that accomodates plenty of figures and references. Also I would like to "cloak" my thesis by avoiding Computer Modern. Do ready-made "academic templates" by one of you experts exist - or do you dissuade me from "just using" ConTeXt for for writing academic literature? - Tobias ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
