Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
On Sunday 07 June 2009 16:55:59 Hans Hagen wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 14:10:10 Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the
past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
no surprise, as math has its own spacing model so it all depends on the
definitions; i'm not even sure if we shoule support an active ~ in math
mode at all
I do not have any strong feelings about this, but do believe that ~
has always provided an unbreakable white space in TeX, both in text
and math mode. I also feel that ~ is more readable than \,.
The activeness of ~ isn't that important, but there really should be
a non-breakable space in math mode, and an active ~ is the most logical
choice because of 20 years of TeX input. You can pick something else,
but it is definately needed, and it should be shorter than
\penalty1 \
hm, currently ~ is
\penalty \plustenthousand\space
which gives no space in math as spaces are ignored
i have this definition probably for a reason so i tend to be careful
with a change in text mode
Reviving an older thread - still a problem.
What is the current, proper means of inputing an unbreakable white space?
1. in math mode;
2. in text mode.
(I suggest that the same symbol should work in both cases).
Use of unicode nbsp can be problematic (and sometimes unreadable).
Minimal example:
\chapter{X~ray} % OK
\startchapter[title={X~ray}] % no good - shows ~ in the bookmarks!
(of course, the examples above are silly as such a short word would
not get broken, unless the width was *really* small...)
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Should there be a difference (perhaps THIN SPACE breakable)? Yes, U+2009 is supposed to be breakable. Arthur ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Should there be a difference (perhaps THIN SPACE breakable)? Yes, U+2009 is supposed to be breakable. Ok, but not the case in ConTeXt: \starttext \hsize1pt bla bla \stoptext Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Hans Hagen wrote: Peter Münster wrote: Hello, This used to work with MKIV, but with today's version, it does not: \starttext X X THIN SPACE (U+2009)\blank X X NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE (U+202F)\blank X X NO-BREAK SPACE (U+00A0)\blank \stoptext Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past? repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization) Thanks! Is there any difference between THIN SPACE and NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE in ConTeXt? Should there be a difference (perhaps THIN SPACE breakable)? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Peter Münster wrote: Hello, This used to work with MKIV, but with today's version, it does not: \starttext X X THIN SPACE (U+2009)\blank X X NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE (U+202F)\blank X X NO-BREAK SPACE (U+00A0)\blank \stoptext Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past? repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization) - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
no surprise, as math has its own spacing model so it all depends on the
definitions; i'm not even sure if we shoule support an active ~ in math
mode at all
Hans
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| www.pragma-pod.nl
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Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
On Sunday 07 June 2009 14:10:10 Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
no surprise, as math has its own spacing model so it all depends on the
definitions; i'm not even sure if we shoule support an active ~ in math
mode at all
I do not have any strong feelings about this, but do believe that ~ has
always provided an unbreakable white space in TeX, both in text and math mode.
I also feel that ~ is more readable than \,.
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 14:10:10 Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
no surprise, as math has its own spacing model so it all depends on the
definitions; i'm not even sure if we shoule support an active ~ in math
mode at all
I do not have any strong feelings about this, but do believe that ~ has
always provided an unbreakable white space in TeX, both in text and math mode.
I also feel that ~ is more readable than \,.
The activeness of ~ isn't that important, but there really should be
a non-breakable space in math mode, and an active ~ is the most logical
choice because of 20 years of TeX input. You can pick something else,
but it is definately needed, and it should be shorter than
\penalty1 \
Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 14:10:10 Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
On Sunday 07 June 2009 13:12:11 Hans Hagen wrote:
Peter Münster wrote:
Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the
past?
repaired in next beta (was unwanted side effect of optimization)
~, by the way, appears not to be respected in math mode; example:
\starttext
$3\times 10^{-9}~\text{m}$
$3\times 10^{-9}\,\text{m}$
\stoptext
no surprise, as math has its own spacing model so it all depends on the
definitions; i'm not even sure if we shoule support an active ~ in math
mode at all
I do not have any strong feelings about this, but do believe that ~
has always provided an unbreakable white space in TeX, both in text
and math mode. I also feel that ~ is more readable than \,.
The activeness of ~ isn't that important, but there really should be
a non-breakable space in math mode, and an active ~ is the most logical
choice because of 20 years of TeX input. You can pick something else,
but it is definately needed, and it should be shorter than
\penalty1 \
hm, currently ~ is
\penalty \plustenthousand\space
which gives no space in math as spaces are ignored
i have this definition probably for a reason so i tend to be careful
with a change in text mode
-
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Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
| www.pragma-pod.nl
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[NTG-context] unicode no-break spaces
Hello, This used to work with MKIV, but with today's version, it does not: \starttext X X THIN SPACE (U+2009)\blank X X NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE (U+202F)\blank X X NO-BREAK SPACE (U+00A0)\blank \stoptext Should this work, or should we rather use ~ and \, as in the past? Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
