[nysbirds-l] Alley Pond Cackling Goose, Lesser Yellowlegs

[Steve Walter]

Eric Miller found a Cackling Goose this afternoon on Alley Pond (the pond at
the intersection of the LIE and Cross Island Pkwy in Queens). Canada Goose
numbers there were much higher than they had been up until now. So quite
possibly these are new arrivals, making it excusable that the Cackling was
missed on Sunday's count. But it is squeezed into count week at nearly the
last minute. In an odd twist to this story, I was just out doing work in my
backyard, where I watched two small groups of geese fly over. These were
coming from the direction of Alley Pond, which is rather close to me. One of
the groups contained a noticeably smaller goose at the tail end of one of
the V's.

 

Also seen at Alley Pond was the long lingering Lesser Yellowlegs, which
stayed out of sight on count day. It makes that CBC thing seem less like an
accurate survey and more like a game (like Hide and Seek). I think we should
get bonus points or something to denote that it was actually in the count
circle all along, as opposed to leaving after the first day of count week.

 

 

Steve Walter

Bayside, NY


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[nysbirds-l] Townsend’s Solitaire, Tiffany Creek 12/20 (Nassau)

[Brendan Fogarty]

 Hey all,
 
 Brent Bomkamp is on a TOSO at the field
 just north of the Tiffany Creek preserve along Sandy Hollow
 Rd. There are junipers in the middle of the field. Park at
 Tiffany and walk back out and up the road to this field:
 
 (40.8618981,-73.5149332)
 
 
 
 Brendan Fogarty
 

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[nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird Democrat Point 12:45 pm Yes.

[mpro7419 .]

Relocated at 12:45 pm working the north facing edge of the pitch pines and
> juniper just south of the backside of Fire Island Inlet near the second
> pile of dredge sand.  First noticed feeding on juniper then spent about 5
> min on metal pole returning to juniper before being chased off by
> Yellow-rump Warblers flew off NW. Observed by myself and one other
> observer.
> Matthew Scharkopf Huntington NY
> Photo link
> https://matthewscottphotography.smugmug.com/Wildlife/Birds/i-cJbwTRD/A

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[nysbirds-l] Eared Grebe continues off Oak Beach Road (Suffolk County)

[Gail Benson]

For those looking for another rarity after seeing the Mountain Bluebird at
Democrat Point, the Eared Grebe is again being seen off of Oak Beach Road
(close to shore) beyond the fishermen's parking lot.   John Askildsen, Tom
Burke, Gail Benson

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[nysbirds-l] Mountain bluebird

[Michael Higgiston]

Being seen now at Democrat Point as per Arie Gilbert’s directions

Mike Higgiston
Eileen Schwinn


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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Felipe Pimentel]

I am not an ornithologist but I do have a question. The bird that was found by 
Cesar Castillo, can it be a hybrid of a Nashville Warbler and Orange-crowned 
Warbler? In the academic literature I have read about that weird hybridization 
of these two species and the marked white eye rings of this bird could be a 
trait inherited from the white eyering of the Nashville. I am bringing this 
question up since most comments indicate that this alleged Orange-crowned 
Warbler (ORW) does have unique characteristics not seen in other ORWs. 

Felipe


> On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Kevin J. McGowan  wrote:
> 
> Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
> pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
> (longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
> mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
> straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, 
> too, with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.
> 
> Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two 
> species. It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big 
> fieldmarks; you need to look at the small ones too.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L 
> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Bob and all,
> 
> Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge
> 
> What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
> the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of 
> shape, the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned 
> than for MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions 
> of perfect semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the 
> upper arc in particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with 
> the thicker, blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 
> 
> Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in 
> which extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the 
> identity of an individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a 
> struggle that underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear 
> eye-ringed and bright yellow below.
> 
> Best,
> Shai
> 
> From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Shai et al.,
>   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
> below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
>  Bob Paxfon
> 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
(longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, too, 
with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.

Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two species. 
It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big fieldmarks; you need 
to look at the small ones too.

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon


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[nysbirds-l] Mountain Bluebird continues 12/20 - Robert Moses SP (Suffolk Co.)

[Brent Bomkamp]

The Mountain Bluebird found by Pat Lindsay on Sunday, 12/17 was observed
for about 20 minutes this morning in the previously described area west of
Field 2 at Robert Moses SP.  Around 9:35 it flew high to the southwest and
out of sight, in the direction of a large stand of cedars and pines.

Brent Bomkamp
Eatons Neck, NY

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[nysbirds-l] Top 10 Locations: Madison County (NYS eBird Hotspots)

[Ben Cacace]

Location pages have been created for the current top 10 sites for Madison
County based on total species seen. Numbers in parentheses represents the #
of sub-locations for these sites.

If you spot any issues with the pages please let me know off list.

Also, could you help verify that the 'Directions' link on the location
pages points to a nearby public parking spot or to an entrance to the site?
See below for details on Google Map links to directions. Thanks!

Total # of shared locations (hotspots) added to 10 new pages is 14 bringing
the total coverage to 1,737 hotspots or 29.0% of 5,984 for New York State.

*Madison County *
• Anne V. Pickard Memorial Wildlife Overlook
• Bush Rd., NY 31 to Oneida Lake
• Cornell Biological Field Station (2)
• Ditch Bank Rd. (2)
• Great Swamp Conservancy
• Madison St. Impoundment
• Muller Hill Road
• Nelson Swamp Unique Area (2)
• Sky High Sod Farm (2)
• Woodman Pond

*GOOGLE MAP DIRECTIONS*
The 'Google Map Directions' link on the wiki are linked to a nearby parking
lot or near the south or east end of the location based on the thinking
that keeping sun behind you when starting out is best.

If you know of a better parking place please zoom in on this location on
Google Maps and send the URL to me offline.

-- 
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Manhattan, NYC
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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block 
mailto:ablock22...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the 
photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the 
MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a 
little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean towards 
an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. 
 I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.

Andrew

Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 
3
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 
10705-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 
914-319-9701
www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums



From: Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>>
To: NYSBIRDS-L mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Cesar Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017












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OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Robert Paxton]

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block 
wrote:

> Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing
> the photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the
> MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a
> little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean
> towards an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in
> this instance.  I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.
>
> Andrew
>
> *Andrew v. F. Block*
> *Consulting Naturalist*
> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
> 
> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705
> 
> -4629
> Phone: 914-963-3080 <(914)%20963-3080>; Cell: 914-319-9701
> <(914)%20319-9701>
> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums
>
>
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> *From:* Shaibal Mitra 
> *To:* NYSBIRDS-L 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Hi Cesar and all,
>
> Very cool-looking bird!
>
> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill)
> and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a
> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>
> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical
> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on
> things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's
> would be expected to resemble.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo [
> czar3...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the
> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be
> an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that
> extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W
> until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
> though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without
> evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
> below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction
> in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had
> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot
> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA /in/dateposted-public/>
>
>  dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA /in/dateposted-public/>
>
>  dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA /in/dateposted-public/>
>
>  dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA /in/dateposted-public/>
>
>  dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA /in/dateposted-public/>
>
>