[nysbirds-l] books

[Patrick Santinello]

Thanks everyone..all titles are spoken for at this point.

 

Patrick Santinello

President

Quantitative Programming Corp.

178 Brookfield Avenue

Center Moriches, NY 11934

631-801-2715

 


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RE: [nysbirds-l] books

[Patrick Santinello]

Just wanted to clarify my offer of the book titles.

These are local pickup only in Center Moriches, thanks.

 

From: Isis Erb [mailto:isisu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:34 AM
To: Patrick Santinello
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] books

 

Do VTers on the list count? If so I'd love the The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of 
North American Birds – Terres and/or the Lives of North American Birds – 
Kaufman. 

 

Many thanks,

Isis Erb

Burlington, VT

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Patrick Santinello  wrote:

Hi list….I am boiling down my number of books and have a few titles that might 
interest.

 

Lives of North American Birds – Kaufman

Ornithology – Gill

The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of North American Birds – Terres

Frohawk’s Birds of Hawaii

Top 100 Birding Sites of the World – Couzens

 

I anyone would like these please let me know….

 

Thanks,

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 

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[nysbirds-l] books

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi list..I am boiling down my number of books and have a few titles that
might interest.

 

Lives of North American Birds - Kaufman

Ornithology - Gill

The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of North American Birds - Terres

Frohawk's Birds of Hawaii

Top 100 Birding Sites of the World - Couzens

 

I anyone would like these please let me know..

 

Thanks,

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 


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[nysbirds-l] books

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi list..I am boiling down my number of books and have a few titles that
might interest.

 

Lives of North American Birds - Kaufman

Ornithology - Gill

The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of North American Birds - Terres

Frohawk's Birds of Hawaii

Top 100 Birding Sites of the World - Couzens

 

I anyone would like these please let me know..

 

Thanks,

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 


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RE: [nysbirds-l] books

[Patrick Santinello]

Just wanted to clarify my offer of the book titles.

These are local pickup only in Center Moriches, thanks.

 

From: Isis Erb [mailto:isisu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:34 AM
To: Patrick Santinello
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] books

 

Do VTers on the list count? If so I'd love the The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of 
North American Birds – Terres and/or the Lives of North American Birds – 
Kaufman. 

 

Many thanks,

Isis Erb

Burlington, VT

On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Patrick Santinello patr...@qprocorp.com wrote:

Hi list….I am boiling down my number of books and have a few titles that might 
interest.

 

Lives of North American Birds – Kaufman

Ornithology – Gill

The (Audubon) Encyclopedia of North American Birds – Terres

Frohawk’s Birds of Hawaii

Top 100 Birding Sites of the World – Couzens

 

I anyone would like these please let me know….

 

Thanks,

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 

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[nysbirds-l] Birding Mag

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi List...I have Birding Mag from the last 12-15 years or so that I am going
to get rid of if anyone would like them.  Free to whoever can come get them.
Contact me off list.

Thanks

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 11934

 


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[Patrick Santinello]

Hi List...I have Birding Mag from the last 12-15 years or so that I am going
to get rid of if anyone would like them.  Free to whoever can come get them.
Contact me off list.

Thanks

 

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY 11934

 


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Sibley replacements

[Patrick Santinello]

I received the following 2 emails (below) today:  It seems we are out of luck 
now.

 

1)Good morning, 

 

We are writing in reply to your recent request for a copy of the 2nd printing 
of the above title.

 

We regret any inconvenience, however complimentary replacements for individuals 
with the first printing of this edition are not available. 

 

"The Sibley Guide to Birds was never meant to be a static publication. 'My goal 
is for birders everywhere to have the best possible experience

With my guidebooks,’ says Sibley, ‘and I will continue to make adjustments to 
ensure that is the case.' In the first edition of his landmark book,

author David Sibley made revisions over the course of several printings in an 
effort to achieve the most accurate rendering of his work. This has

continued with the second edition of The Sibley Guide to Birds, with David 
making several refinements, including type and color adjustments, in

the second printing. The second printing is now off press and available in 
bookstores.

 

Thank you for your interest in this title.  If you have not yet seen the 2nd 
printing you may find it at your local bookstore. 

 

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Consumer Service

CW 3866

===

2) Good morning, 

 

We are writing in reply to your recent request for a copy of the 2nd printing 
of the above title.  We regret any inconvenience, however complimentary 
replacements for individuals with the first printing of this edition are not 
available. 

 

The information provided over the last several days, via the various bird 
groups, was not an official statement from Knopf.  We do not have a replacement 
program for the first printing.  At this time, we are taking consumer feedback. 
 If you would like to return your current copy, you may do so via UPS traceable 
service to :

 

Penguin Random House

Attn: Consumer Services/DMS

400 Hahn Rd

Westminster, MD 21157

 

 

The Sibley Guide to Birds was never meant to be a static publication. 'My goal 
is for birders everywhere to have the best possible experience

With my guidebooks,’ says Sibley, ‘and I will continue to make adjustments to 
ensure that is the case.' In the first edition of his landmark book,

author David Sibley made revisions over the course of several printings In an 
effort to achieve the most accurate rendering of his work. This has

continued with the second edition of The Sibley Guide to Birds, with David 
making several refinements, including type and color adjustments, in

the second printing. The second printing is now off press and available in 
bookstores.

 

Thank you for your interest in this title.  If you have not yet seen the 2nd 
printing you may find it at your local bookstore. 

 

 

Consumer Services

AS-3916

 

 

 

From: bounce-118788716-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118788716-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael 
Scheibel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:34 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Gary Kohlenberg; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sibley replacements

 

Re: Sibley, 2nd edition. This morning, I called the number given in an earlier 
post (1 800 793 2665) twice, both times I was told by two different reps "there 
is no replacement program" available from Knopf, and that the information 
circulating on the internet is false.

Mike Scheibel

Brookhaven

 

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lawson  wrote:

I called when it was first reported to this list. The first person I spoke with 
said that all retailers were sent a letter in NOVEMBER stating there was a 
replacement and that retailers would replace. I hung up and called back. The 
next person said the same thing. I then said well I bought my book on the 
release date and I no longer had my receipt as I didn't know I would have to 
replace it.  She then took my contact information and stated that there is a 
list and that within a few weeks I would receive by UPS a new version of 
Sibleys. I would suggest calling back. 


Sent from Outlook  

 





On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:31 PM -0800, "Gary Kohlenberg"  
wrote:

I just spoke with Knopf Publishing about the replacements of Sibley's 2nd 
edition and there is NO program to replace these books. 
This was apparently an understanding  with some individuals but not a recall 
for general purchases. Too bad. 
 
Gary Kohlenberg 
 
 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Sibley replacements

[Patrick Santinello]

I received the following 2 emails (below) today:  It seems we are out of luck 
now.

 

1)Good morning, 

 

We are writing in reply to your recent request for a copy of the 2nd printing 
of the above title.

 

We regret any inconvenience, however complimentary replacements for individuals 
with the first printing of this edition are not available. 

 

The Sibley Guide to Birds was never meant to be a static publication. 'My goal 
is for birders everywhere to have the best possible experience

With my guidebooks,’ says Sibley, ‘and I will continue to make adjustments to 
ensure that is the case.' In the first edition of his landmark book,

author David Sibley made revisions over the course of several printings in an 
effort to achieve the most accurate rendering of his work. This has

continued with the second edition of The Sibley Guide to Birds, with David 
making several refinements, including type and color adjustments, in

the second printing. The second printing is now off press and available in 
bookstores.

 

Thank you for your interest in this title.  If you have not yet seen the 2nd 
printing you may find it at your local bookstore. 

 

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Consumer Service

CW 3866

===

2) Good morning, 

 

We are writing in reply to your recent request for a copy of the 2nd printing 
of the above title.  We regret any inconvenience, however complimentary 
replacements for individuals with the first printing of this edition are not 
available. 

 

The information provided over the last several days, via the various bird 
groups, was not an official statement from Knopf.  We do not have a replacement 
program for the first printing.  At this time, we are taking consumer feedback. 
 If you would like to return your current copy, you may do so via UPS traceable 
service to :

 

Penguin Random House

Attn: Consumer Services/DMS

400 Hahn Rd

Westminster, MD 21157

 

 

The Sibley Guide to Birds was never meant to be a static publication. 'My goal 
is for birders everywhere to have the best possible experience

With my guidebooks,’ says Sibley, ‘and I will continue to make adjustments to 
ensure that is the case.' In the first edition of his landmark book,

author David Sibley made revisions over the course of several printings In an 
effort to achieve the most accurate rendering of his work. This has

continued with the second edition of The Sibley Guide to Birds, with David 
making several refinements, including type and color adjustments, in

the second printing. The second printing is now off press and available in 
bookstores.

 

Thank you for your interest in this title.  If you have not yet seen the 2nd 
printing you may find it at your local bookstore. 

 

 

Consumer Services

AS-3916

 

 

 

From: bounce-118788716-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118788716-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael 
Scheibel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:34 AM
To: Justin Lawson
Cc: Gary Kohlenberg; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Sibley replacements

 

Re: Sibley, 2nd edition. This morning, I called the number given in an earlier 
post (1 800 793 2665) twice, both times I was told by two different reps there 
is no replacement program available from Knopf, and that the information 
circulating on the internet is false.

Mike Scheibel

Brookhaven

 

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Justin Lawson justindlaw...@gmail.com wrote:

I called when it was first reported to this list. The first person I spoke with 
said that all retailers were sent a letter in NOVEMBER stating there was a 
replacement and that retailers would replace. I hung up and called back. The 
next person said the same thing. I then said well I bought my book on the 
release date and I no longer had my receipt as I didn't know I would have to 
replace it.  She then took my contact information and stated that there is a 
list and that within a few weeks I would receive by UPS a new version of 
Sibleys. I would suggest calling back. 


Sent from Outlook http://taps.io/outlookmobile 

 





On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:31 PM -0800, Gary Kohlenberg jg...@cornell.edu 
wrote:

I just spoke with Knopf Publishing about the replacements of Sibley's 2nd 
edition and there is NO program to replace these books. 
This was apparently an understanding  with some individuals but not a recall 
for general purchases. Too bad. 
 
Gary Kohlenberg 
 
 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

[Patrick Santinello]

One could hope ;)

 

From: bounce-118600430-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118600430-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard
Zaineldeen
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:53 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

It IS pretty far south for Great Gray OwI. However, I saw my first Great
Gray Owl on the North Shore of Long Island in the late 1970's (it was an
invasion year). 

 

Richard ZainEldeen

Brooklyn, New York

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Santinello 
To: hmbirds ; 'NYSBIRDS_L' 
Sent: Sun, Dec 7, 2014 7:40 pm
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone else would agree that this is pretty far south for a
Great Gray.  Is the person who made the report a list subscriber?  It would
be god to get more details.

Thanks!

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY

 

From: bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu
<mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu?> ] On Behalf Of Richard
Guthrie
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:09 PM
To: hmbi...@yahoogroups.com; NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

A heads up anyway:

 

There's an eBird report, as yet without any documentation - other than
"clearly a Great-gray", reported from NY Rt. 23 about halfway between Acra
and Windham.

 

See map at:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B019'17.4%22N+74%C2%B010'22.2%22W/@4
2.3202876,-74.1721344,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

 




 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone else would agree that this is pretty far south for a Great 
Gray.  Is the person who made the report a list subscriber?  It would be god to 
get more details.

Thanks!

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY

 

From: bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Guthrie
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:09 PM
To: hmbi...@yahoogroups.com; NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

A heads up anyway:

 

There's an eBird report, as yet without any documentation - other than "clearly 
a Great-gray", reported from NY Rt. 23 about halfway between Acra and Windham.

 

See map at: 
https://www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B019'17.4%22N+74%C2%B010'22.2%22W/@42.3202876,-74.1721344,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

 




 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone else would agree that this is pretty far south for a Great 
Gray.  Is the person who made the report a list subscriber?  It would be god to 
get more details.

Thanks!

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY

 

From: bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Guthrie
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:09 PM
To: hmbi...@yahoogroups.com; NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

A heads up anyway:

 

There's an eBird report, as yet without any documentation - other than clearly 
a Great-gray, reported from NY Rt. 23 about halfway between Acra and Windham.

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

[Patrick Santinello]

One could hope ;)

 

From: bounce-118600430-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118600430-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Richard
Zaineldeen
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:53 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

It IS pretty far south for Great Gray OwI. However, I saw my first Great
Gray Owl on the North Shore of Long Island in the late 1970's (it was an
invasion year). 

 

Richard ZainEldeen

Brooklyn, New York

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Santinello patr...@qprocorp.com
To: hmbirds hmbi...@yahoogroups.com; 'NYSBIRDS_L' nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Sent: Sun, Dec 7, 2014 7:40 pm
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone else would agree that this is pretty far south for a
Great Gray.  Is the person who made the report a list subscriber?  It would
be god to get more details.

Thanks!

Patrick Santinello

Center Moriches, NY

 

From: bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu
mailto:bounce-118600360-13703...@list.cornell.edu? ] On Behalf Of Richard
Guthrie
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 7:09 PM
To: hmbi...@yahoogroups.com; NYSBIRDS_L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Great-gray Owl [unconfirmed] Greene County, NY

 

A heads up anyway:

 

There's an eBird report, as yet without any documentation - other than
clearly a Great-gray, reported from NY Rt. 23 about halfway between Acra
and Windham.

 

See map at:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/42%C2%B019'17.4%22N+74%C2%B010'22.2%22W/@4
2.3202876,-74.1721344,12z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

 




 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Night in Amagansett, LI

[Patrick Santinello]

I had a Chuck-will's-widow singing at the T intersection of Napeague Meadow
Road and Lazy Point Rd. in Napeague (Amagansett) this evening at around
8:45pm. The bird then flew from its perch directly over my head. Pretty
cool. There were Whip-poor-wills at almost every stop along the Western end
of Napeague Meadow Road.

Thanks to Peter Polshek for the original word on this.

Patrick Santinello
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Night in Amagansett, LI

[Patrick Santinello]

I had a Chuck-will's-widow singing at the T intersection of Napeague Meadow
Road and Lazy Point Rd. in Napeague (Amagansett) this evening at around
8:45pm. The bird then flew from its perch directly over my head. Pretty
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of Napeague Meadow Road.

Thanks to Peter Polshek for the original word on this.

Patrick Santinello
Center Moriches



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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Patrick Santinello]

This is just not true.  There have been instances of Whooping Cranes being 
killed by Sandhill Crane hunters and Snow Goose hunters.  Thinking that ALL 
hunters know EXACTLY what species they are shooting at when they pull the 
trigger is simply not true.  There is plenty of history to refute your thought.
Sorry

-Original Message-
From: bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Voisine, 
Matthew NAN02
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:38 AM
To: Glenn Wilson; 
Cc: Larry Federman; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L; Voisine, Matthew NAN02
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
beginning to criticize hunters unduly.

Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
and not really relevant

Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26 Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718 voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961 fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


-Original Message-
From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
To: 
Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish 
of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be 
surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these "black" 
birds. 


Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM,  wrote:


Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 



- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: "Voisine, Matthew NAN02" 

> Thanks, Matthew,
> It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but the 
> shoot is just outside the NYC watershed.
> 
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
> Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
> However it is a
> huge "typo".
> 
> However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. 
> the reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
> 
> 
> Matthew Voisine
> Biologist
> USACE- NY District
> 26 Federal Plaza
> Room 2151
> NY, NY 10278
> 917.790.8718 voice
> 702.271.0496 mobile
> 212.264.0961 fax
> matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Will Raup
> Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
> To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> 
> Sadly the fact the Senator used the term "New York City DEC", 
> means it will 
> be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
> State DEC, 
> otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
> just view 
> this as another "City" politician who has no idea what is going 
> on north of 
> New York City.
> 
> The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
> that 
> particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
> that to their 
> advantage.
> 
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
> From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
> To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
> 
> 
> Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Stella
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
> cold, as holding 
> whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
> science to spread 
> the 

RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Patrick Santinello]

This is just not true.  There have been instances of Whooping Cranes being 
killed by Sandhill Crane hunters and Snow Goose hunters.  Thinking that ALL 
hunters know EXACTLY what species they are shooting at when they pull the 
trigger is simply not true.  There is plenty of history to refute your thought.
Sorry

-Original Message-
From: bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113466175-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Voisine, 
Matthew NAN02
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 11:38 AM
To: Glenn Wilson; redk...@optonline.net
Cc: Larry Federman; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L; Voisine, Matthew NAN02
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

I think this subject is getting out of control but my experience is hunters 
know EXACTLY what the species is that they are hunting. The conversation is 
beginning to criticize hunters unduly.

Whether they know about something that they are not hunting is another story 
and not really relevant

Matthew Voisine
Biologist
USACE- NY District
26 Federal Plaza
Room 2151
NY, NY 10278
917.790.8718 voice
702.271.0496 mobile
212.264.0961 fax
matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil


-Original Message-
From: Glenn Wilson [mailto:wil...@stny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, 21 March, 2014 11:32
To: redk...@optonline.net
Cc: Larry Federman; Voisine, Matthew NAN02; Will Raup; Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)

I'm curious how many hunters actually know the difference between a crow (fish 
of American) and starling, red-winged BB, Rusty BB, and Grackles. I'd be 
surprised if even 25% of the hunters even try yo differentiate these black 
birds. 


Glenn Wilson
Endicott, NY
www.WilsonsWarbler.com

On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:09 AM, redk...@optonline.net wrote:


Hi everyone:

While the state legislation proposed to stop these kind of shooting events is 
important, laudable and should be strongly supported by the NY conservation 
community, it if was to be signed into law by Governor Cuomoto tomorrow, 
individual hunters could still go out each and every day for seven months (Sept 
1-March 31 as the chart detaling the NYSDEC regs. provided by Lynne Hertzog 
illustrates)  and shoot as many crows as they desire. 

Thus, if we want to provide crows with complete protection we need to have 
state legislation introduced to have American and Fish Crows classified as 
songbirds and to close the hunting season for them or some other alternate 
approach.. 

John Turner 



- Original Message -
From: Larry Federman
Date: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 , Will Raup , Stella Miller , NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02 

 Thanks, Matthew,
 It's moot at this point since the Press Release was changed, but the 
 shoot is just outside the NYC watershed.
 
 Larry Federman
 President, Northern Catskills Audubon
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
 Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:18 PM
 To: Will Raup ; Stella Miller ; NYSBIRDS-L
 Cc: Voisine, Matthew NAN02
 Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release (UNCLASSIFIED)
 
 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
 Caveats: NONE
 
 I picked up on that also but wasn't going to say anything. 
 However it is a
 huge typo.
 
 However, if the hunt is happening on lands that are owned by NYC, i.e. 
 the reservoirs? The statement is appropriate.
 
 
 Matthew Voisine
 Biologist
 USACE- NY District
 26 Federal Plaza
 Room 2151
 NY, NY 10278
 917.790.8718 voice
 702.271.0496 mobile
 212.264.0961 fax
 matthew.vois...@usace.army.mil
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu 
 [mailto:bounce-113422972-8614...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of 
 Will Raup
 Sent: Thursday, 20 March, 2014 14:11
 To: Stella Miller; NYSBIRDS-L
 Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 
 Sadly the fact the Senator used the term New York City DEC, 
 means it will 
 be ignored. It should be edited immediately to say New York 
 State DEC, 
 otherwise this will be dismissed by upstate residents who will 
 just view 
 this as another City politician who has no idea what is going 
 on north of 
 New York City.
 
 The statement may seem minor, but many will stop reading after 
 that 
 particular sentence. And you can bet the opposition will use 
 that to their 
 advantage.
 
 Will Raup
 Albany, NY
 
 
 
 
 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:02 -0700
 From: stella.mille...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Press release
 To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu
 
 
 Attached is the press release regarding the legislation.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 Stella
 
 
 
 
 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything 
 cold, as holding 
 whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to 
 science to spread 
 the understanding that the choice is not between 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Patrick Santinello]

For those of you wondering who your state legislators are…..you can find them 
here.  

 

http://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/

 

Once you have entered your address you will be given links to your legislators 
pages that will include email addresses for them.

 

I simply emailed them each a copy of the release in Christina’s email below and 
included a link to the Facebook event along with my opinion of this practice. 
Here is that link.

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/permalink/266703986836866/

 

Thanks everyone.

Patrick

 

 

From: bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Christina 
Wilkinson
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:07 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

 

 

Inline image 1

   Thursday, March 20th, 2014   
   Contact: Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434

 

SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 

 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the welfare of all animal species in 
New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out against the upcoming “Crow Down” 
hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in Palenville, NY. The contest, 
which awards prizes for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not 
require the use of non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane 
killings. 

 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly legal under the New York 
City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting contests, Senator Avella 
has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with Senator Jack Martins 
which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct, promote or 
participate in any contest or competition where the objective of such contest 
or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not 
understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family 
fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of 
countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where 
hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the 
amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is 
enough?” 

 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated, “Bloody, barbaric 
events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in Palenville have 
no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults and children prizes for 
a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous, violent attitude toward 
all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends of Animals strongly 
urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all killing contests 
throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and other species that 
play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”

 

Stella Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society 
stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the crow killing contest to be 
held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent animals and are greatly 
admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not sure how this barbaric 
practice can be considered "sport".  I am not opposed to subsistence hunting.  
I am, however, adamantly opposed to killing for the sake of killing. I am 
working on bringing more of the birding and conservation community in NY 
together to oppose this particular event as well as all contest "hunts".  I 
support passage of Senate Bill # 4074 and believe firmly that contest "hunts" 
should be permanently banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of these hunting contests, 
which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is incredible. Living in a 
State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we should re-evaluate our 
approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as means of family 
entertainment.”

 

 

 

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

[Patrick Santinello]

For those of you wondering who your state legislators are…..you can find them 
here.  

 

http://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/

 

Once you have entered your address you will be given links to your legislators 
pages that will include email addresses for them.

 

I simply emailed them each a copy of the release in Christina’s email below and 
included a link to the Facebook event along with my opinion of this practice. 
Here is that link.

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/permalink/266703986836866/

 

Thanks everyone.

Patrick

 

 

From: bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-113421009-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Christina 
Wilkinson
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 10:07 AM
To: nysbirds-l 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Senator Avella's release regarding crow shooting

 

 

Inline image 1

   Thursday, March 20th, 2014   
   Contact: Anna Aulova

   718-357-3094/917-669-4434

 

SENATOR AVELLA PROTESTS UPCOMING CROW 

HUNTING CONTEST 

 

(ALBANY, NY) In continuing to advocate for the welfare of all animal species in 
New York State, Senator Tony Avella came out against the upcoming “Crow Down” 
hunting contest being hosted on March 29th in Palenville, NY. The contest, 
which awards prizes for crows killed, does not have a bag limit and does not 
require the use of non-toxic shots, raising significant concerns of inhumane 
killings. 

 

Unfortunately, the contest is considered perfectly legal under the New York 
City Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) regulations.

 

To better address the raising concerns with hunting contests, Senator Avella 
has co-sponsored State legislation (Bill #S.4074), with Senator Jack Martins 
which would make it unlawful for any person to organize, conduct, promote or 
participate in any contest or competition where the objective of such contest 
or competition is to take the greatest number of wildlife.

 

Senator Avella stated, “While I continue to support hunting rights, I do not 
understand why hunting contests continue to be accepted as a general ‘family 
fun day’ in New York State.  These contests promote the slaughtering of 
countless defenseless animals by creating a competitive atmosphere where 
hunters try to kill the most amount of wildlife. Without any limit on the 
amount of crows killed in this particular contest, who’s to say when is 
enough?” 

 

Edita Birnkrant, NY Director of Friends of Animals stated, “Bloody, barbaric 
events like the “Crow Down” crow killing contest to be held in Palenville have 
no place in modern, civilized society.  Awarding adults and children prizes for 
a mass killing contest of crows promotes a dangerous, violent attitude toward 
all wildlife that we share our landscapes with. Friends of Animals strongly 
urge passage of Senate bill # 4074 which would prohibit all killing contests 
throughout NY State which also target coyotes, squirrels and other species that 
play critically important roles in our ecosystem.”

 

Stella Miller, the President of the Huntington-Oyster Bay Audubon Society 
stated, “I was very disturbed to learn about the crow killing contest to be 
held in Palenville. Crows are highly intelligent animals and are greatly 
admired for their cognitive abilities.  I am not sure how this barbaric 
practice can be considered sport.  I am not opposed to subsistence hunting.  
I am, however, adamantly opposed to killing for the sake of killing. I am 
working on bringing more of the birding and conservation community in NY 
together to oppose this particular event as well as all contest hunts.  I 
support passage of Senate Bill # 4074 and believe firmly that contest hunts 
should be permanently banned in New York State.”

 

Senator Avella concluded, “The lack of oversight of these hunting contests, 
which oftentimes become animal slaughter contests, is incredible. Living in a 
State which recognizes the dangers of gun use, we should re-evaluate our 
approach to promoting countless wildlife killing as means of family 
entertainment.”

 

 

 

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[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owl - Hampton Bays

[Patrick Santinello]

Snowy Owl continues along Dune Rd in Hampton Bays. Only saw one today
sitting atop a duck blind on the bay side around 3/10 of a mile west of
Ponquogue Bridge.

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[Patrick Santinello]

Snowy Owl continues along Dune Rd in Hampton Bays. Only saw one today
sitting atop a duck blind on the bay side around 3/10 of a mile west of
Ponquogue Bridge.

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[nysbirds-l] Tufted Duck Yes, Redhead Yes

[Patrick Santinello]

The Tufted Duck continues at the pond behind St. John's Church in Cold
Spring Harbor. (12:30pm, Wednesday January 16, 2013)

The bird was at the far side of the pond and not really associating with the
Ring-necked Ducks/Redhead. 

 

Good Birding

Patrick Santinello

Eastport

 

>From Archive

Tufted duck observed on St. John's Pond amongst ringnecks.
 
Joe
On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, "David Klauber" 
mailto:davehawk...@msn.com>
mailto:davehawk...@msn.com>> wrote:
 
I found the Tufted Duck on the pond next to St. John's Church in the extreme
ne 
corner of Nassau County about 11:30 this morning. This is adjacent to the
fish 
hatchery for those unfamiliar with the area on 25A. It was with a group of
Ring 
necked ducks very close to the fence behind the church. It drifted off to
the 
right (west) and probably disappeared behind a large fallen tree near the 
shore. I'm not sure because we were distracted by a Eurasian-type Widgeon, 
either a male coming out of eclipse or a hybrid - the sides were similar to
the 
nearby American Widgeon. The tuft was wet and not sticking out at all - in
fact 
you could see the wet tuft feathers contrasting with the rest of the dark
head 
feathers. It could be missed with its head tucked in except for the white
sides 
and black back.
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[nysbirds-l] Tufted Duck Yes, Redhead Yes

[Patrick Santinello]

The Tufted Duck continues at the pond behind St. John's Church in Cold
Spring Harbor. (12:30pm, Wednesday January 16, 2013)

The bird was at the far side of the pond and not really associating with the
Ring-necked Ducks/Redhead. 

 

Good Birding

Patrick Santinello

Eastport

 

From Archive

Tufted duck observed on St. John's Pond amongst ringnecks.
 
Joe
On Jan 13, 2013, at 1:21 PM, David Klauber 
davehawk...@msn.com mailto:davehawk...@msn.com
mailto:davehawk...@msn.com wrote:
 
I found the Tufted Duck on the pond next to St. John's Church in the extreme
ne 
corner of Nassau County about 11:30 this morning. This is adjacent to the
fish 
hatchery for those unfamiliar with the area on 25A. It was with a group of
Ring 
necked ducks very close to the fence behind the church. It drifted off to
the 
right (west) and probably disappeared behind a large fallen tree near the 
shore. I'm not sure because we were distracted by a Eurasian-type Widgeon, 
either a male coming out of eclipse or a hybrid - the sides were similar to
the 
nearby American Widgeon. The tuft was wet and not sticking out at all - in
fact 
you could see the wet tuft feathers contrasting with the rest of the dark
head 
feathers. It could be missed with its head tucked in except for the white
sides 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Louisiana Waterthrush, Eastport NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Sorry folks...brain glitch. Let's call that NORTHERN Waterthrush.

Eastport, NY

 

From: bounce-69335213-13703...@list.cornell.edu
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:19 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Louisiana Waterthrush, Eastport NY

 

Hi List,

Louisiana Waterthrush my yard this AM

Patrick Santinello

Eastport NY

 

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[nysbirds-l] Louisiana Waterthrush, Eastport NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi List,

Louisiana Waterthrush my yard this AM

Patrick Santinello

Eastport NY

 


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[nysbirds-l] Eastport Pond

[Patrick Santinello]

Today's count of the (mostly Lesser) Scaup flock at Eastport pond was in the
neighborhood of 6,000I found 1 pair of Redhead along with a smattering
of dicky birds.

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[nysbirds-l] Eastport Pond

[Patrick Santinello]

Today's count of the (mostly Lesser) Scaup flock at Eastport pond was in the
neighborhood of 6,000I found 1 pair of Redhead along with a smattering
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RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

[Patrick Santinello]

So to recap the final score in the Birding Super Bowl of Whining

 

Indignant casual birder 14

Righteous photographers who cause no harm 9

Elitist birders who withhold sightings 7

Sensitive birders who see all sides 17

Pushy photographers who flush Owls 0

Silent lurkers who enjoy reading posts about birds 176,894

 

Can't we get back to birds??

 

Sorry but, is this subject not beaten to death at this point?..please accept
my humorous suggestion to move on.

 

Thanks.

Patrick in Eastport

 

From: bounce-39770075-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-39770075-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nadine
Scarpa
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Jim Osterlund
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

 

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund 
wrote:

"Capitalism is the American way, and I'm all for it.  So let's consider a
capitalistic approach to the problem.  Let's boycott, and advocate
boycotting to others, the sale of those photos.  Let's point out to the
editors of publications we see with photos that cause us concern exactly
what our concerns are and that our concerns might lead us to ceasing to
subscribe. "

 

The sale of WHICH photos?  How on earth are you going to know which photos
were taken "appropriately" (without causing a disturbance to the subject)
and which were taken "inappropriately"?  MANY photographers have amazingly
huge lenses that allow for shots from long distances - so you would have no
way to know how close a photo was taken.

 

Now it appears you may be punishing ALL photographers for the actions of a
few.

 

If you know a specific NAME of a photographer who acts inappropriately while
taking wildlife photos, go ahead and boycott them.  However, many
photographers sell their photos to other companies, so that wouldn't even
work.

 

There is no good way to do this, other than to try and educate the
photographers and birders who WANT to be educated, and report the rest to
the appropriate authorities.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund 
wrote:

Response I got from NYSDEC echos that given to another who's posted here.
It was basically advise to contact the appropriate ECO, but it included a
discouraging addition;  "Yes harassing wildlife is a violation of the ECL.
Proving it and prosecuting it is another issue." 

 

So, we've heard anecdotes, opinions, bile, ridicule and humor, but little
has been gained beyond exposing the old-school secret-society element.  That
has been useful to me personally.  it has been my wont to accurately show
locations with my posts and even to supplement the posts of others;  I will
discontinue that practice lest I incur reprisal for offending them.

 

One aspect of the original problem has gone untouched, curiously enough, and
goes to the distinction between "them" and "us".  "We" are amateurs,
hobbyists;  even those of us with credentials are to be so considered
because we don't get paid for it.  When we get a particularly good sighting
or photograph, we take it home and cherish it.  "They" copyright and post
their photos, offering them for sale.  "We" try for the best view or shot we
can get, the more to cherish;  "they" try for the better shot to increase
its value.  "They" are at work;  "we" are at play.  Things like codes of
ethics, consideration, good manners;  these are for the likes of "us", and
not for professionals at work.

 

Capitalism is the American way, and I'm all for it.  So let's consider a
capitalistic approach to the problem.  Let's boycott, and advocate
boycotting to others, the sale of those photos.  Let's point out to the
editors of publications we see with photos that cause us concern exactly
what our concerns are and that our concerns might lead us to ceasing to
subscribe.  Let word of this spread amongst "them";  we saw in an anecdote
posted earlier that a photographer doing wrong responded immediately and
correctly - to word from another photographer.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

[Patrick Santinello]

So to recap the final score in the Birding Super Bowl of Whining

 

Indignant casual birder 14

Righteous photographers who cause no harm 9

Elitist birders who withhold sightings 7

Sensitive birders who see all sides 17

Pushy photographers who flush Owls 0

Silent lurkers who enjoy reading posts about birds 176,894

 

Can't we get back to birds??

 

Sorry but, is this subject not beaten to death at this point?..please accept
my humorous suggestion to move on.

 

Thanks.

Patrick in Eastport

 

From: bounce-39770075-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-39770075-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nadine
Scarpa
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:40 PM
To: Jim Osterlund
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

 

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net
wrote:

Capitalism is the American way, and I'm all for it.  So let's consider a
capitalistic approach to the problem.  Let's boycott, and advocate
boycotting to others, the sale of those photos.  Let's point out to the
editors of publications we see with photos that cause us concern exactly
what our concerns are and that our concerns might lead us to ceasing to
subscribe. 

 

The sale of WHICH photos?  How on earth are you going to know which photos
were taken appropriately (without causing a disturbance to the subject)
and which were taken inappropriately?  MANY photographers have amazingly
huge lenses that allow for shots from long distances - so you would have no
way to know how close a photo was taken.

 

Now it appears you may be punishing ALL photographers for the actions of a
few.

 

If you know a specific NAME of a photographer who acts inappropriately while
taking wildlife photos, go ahead and boycott them.  However, many
photographers sell their photos to other companies, so that wouldn't even
work.

 

There is no good way to do this, other than to try and educate the
photographers and birders who WANT to be educated, and report the rest to
the appropriate authorities.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net
wrote:

Response I got from NYSDEC echos that given to another who's posted here.
It was basically advise to contact the appropriate ECO, but it included a
discouraging addition;  Yes harassing wildlife is a violation of the ECL.
Proving it and prosecuting it is another issue. 

 

So, we've heard anecdotes, opinions, bile, ridicule and humor, but little
has been gained beyond exposing the old-school secret-society element.  That
has been useful to me personally.  it has been my wont to accurately show
locations with my posts and even to supplement the posts of others;  I will
discontinue that practice lest I incur reprisal for offending them.

 

One aspect of the original problem has gone untouched, curiously enough, and
goes to the distinction between them and us.  We are amateurs,
hobbyists;  even those of us with credentials are to be so considered
because we don't get paid for it.  When we get a particularly good sighting
or photograph, we take it home and cherish it.  They copyright and post
their photos, offering them for sale.  We try for the best view or shot we
can get, the more to cherish;  they try for the better shot to increase
its value.  They are at work;  we are at play.  Things like codes of
ethics, consideration, good manners;  these are for the likes of us, and
not for professionals at work.

 

Capitalism is the American way, and I'm all for it.  So let's consider a
capitalistic approach to the problem.  Let's boycott, and advocate
boycotting to others, the sale of those photos.  Let's point out to the
editors of publications we see with photos that cause us concern exactly
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subscribe.  Let word of this spread amongst them;  we saw in an anecdote
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Painted Bunting, No

[Patrick Santinello]

Searched the entire area this morning in and around Scrub Oak Rd and Rte 104
in Quogue. Found many common winter birds but, not the gaudy target.

 

Good birding.

Patrick Santinello

Eastport-

 

 

From: bounce-39059241-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-39059241-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:39 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Painted Bunting

 

Went looking for the painted bunting this morning between 7:30 and 8:30.  At
the intersection of Rte 104 and Scrub Oak Road in Quogue, there was no bird
life at all.  Drove the adjoining streets and found no birds.  The sun was
still low in the sky, hadn't warmed up yet.  This is a heavily wooded area
and is difficult to see if there are any active feeders anywhere.  As you
might suspect, many houses are second homes and are deserted this time of
year.  The Quogue Wildlife Refuge is less than a mile away from the
intersection and the feeders were jumping with the usual suspects.  There
was one interesting spot on Midhampton Road just south of the RR tracks.  It
looks to be a deserted  parking lot of the old Quogue LIRR station.  There
are weedy areas on both sides of parking lot.

Mike Higgiston

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Painted Bunting, No

[Patrick Santinello]

Searched the entire area this morning in and around Scrub Oak Rd and Rte 104
in Quogue. Found many common winter birds but, not the gaudy target.

 

Good birding.

Patrick Santinello

Eastport-

 

 

From: bounce-39059241-13703...@list.cornell.edu
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Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:39 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Painted Bunting

 

Went looking for the painted bunting this morning between 7:30 and 8:30.  At
the intersection of Rte 104 and Scrub Oak Road in Quogue, there was no bird
life at all.  Drove the adjoining streets and found no birds.  The sun was
still low in the sky, hadn't warmed up yet.  This is a heavily wooded area
and is difficult to see if there are any active feeders anywhere.  As you
might suspect, many houses are second homes and are deserted this time of
year.  The Quogue Wildlife Refuge is less than a mile away from the
intersection and the feeders were jumping with the usual suspects.  There
was one interesting spot on Midhampton Road just south of the RR tracks.  It
looks to be a deserted  parking lot of the old Quogue LIRR station.  There
are weedy areas on both sides of parking lot.

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[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owl, Smith Point park, Fire Island, South shore Suffolk county

[Patrick Santinello]

Kevin Connoly called to report a Snowy Owl from Smith Point on Fire Island."
The owl was just west of old inlet he followed me along leapfrogging me
maybe hunting in the headlights? He was quite big." 

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[nysbirds-l] Snowy Owl, Smith Point park, Fire Island, South shore Suffolk county

[Patrick Santinello]

Kevin Connoly called to report a Snowy Owl from Smith Point on Fire Island.
The owl was just west of old inlet he followed me along leapfrogging me
maybe hunting in the headlights? He was quite big. 

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[nysbirds-l] Eastport, Pond/Sod fields/Bike path

[Patrick Santinello]

A fairly nice array of ducks on Eastport pond this AM.  Still quite a number
of Ring-necked Ducks (~80) along with small numbers of Canvasback (7), Am.
Wigeon (~18), Lesser Scaup (4), Gadwall (2) along with Black Duck, Mallard,
Ruddy Duck.  Along the western shore of the pond toward the north end just
before the pond opens up to the northwest "cove" was a Black-crowned Night
Heron.

 

Still a fair amount of shore birds on the Sod field that is at the
intersection of Eastport Manor Road and Head of the Neck Road, dozens of
Black-bellied Plover along with around a couple dozen Least Sandpipers.
Nothing that I could detect at the larger sod fields along Cty Road 51.

 

I had a couple Golden-crowned Kinglets at the Cty Road 51 bike path as well
as one Eastern Bluebird.

 

Cheers,

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY

 

 

 


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[nysbirds-l] Smith Point Northern Shrike

[Patrick Santinello]

The Northern Shrike was present at around 8:15 this AM, North of the Ranger
Station west of the picnic grounds/handball courts at Smith Point Park on
Fire Island.

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Eastport, NY



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[nysbirds-l] Smith Point Northern Shrike

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The Northern Shrike was present at around 8:15 this AM, North of the Ranger
Station west of the picnic grounds/handball courts at Smith Point Park on
Fire Island.

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[nysbirds-l] Yellow-headed Blackbird, Smith Point Park, Suffolk County

[Patrick Santinello]

Carl Starace called and asked me to post a first winter male Yellow-headed
Blackbird he had this morning at the north end of the picnic area at Smith
Point Park on Fire Island. The bird flew off from the picnic area towards
the Bay side.

 

Good birding.

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Eastport

 


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[nysbirds-l] Yellow-headed Blackbird, Smith Point Park, Suffolk County

[Patrick Santinello]

Carl Starace called and asked me to post a first winter male Yellow-headed
Blackbird he had this morning at the north end of the picnic area at Smith
Point Park on Fire Island. The bird flew off from the picnic area towards
the Bay side.

 

Good birding.

Patrick Santinello

Eastport

 


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RE: [nysbirds-l] eastport sod fields

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi All:

 

2 Buff-breasted Sandpipers, 1 American Golden Plover among the Black-Bellied
Plovers and Killdeer at the Eastport-Manor Road sod field today. See Jim
Osterlund's map below.

 

Earlier this week I had Turkey Vultures soaring on three different
occasions, twice in Eastport and once over Sunrise Highway (Rte 27)  near
Center Moriches.

 

Good Birding.

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY

 

From: bounce-37998682-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37998682-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jim
Osterlund
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 9:22 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] eastport sod fields locations

 

40.8381,-72.747345 - Google Maps
<http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.8381,-72.747345=40.838084,-72.747667
n=0.013539,0.027874=37.0625,-95.677068=23.875,57.630033=1=h
psrc=6=16> 

 

 

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RE:[nysbirds-l] Screech Owls

[Patrick Santinello]

I had an Eastern Screech Owl calling repeatedly within the first 10-20 feet
of the stand of trees in my yard this weekend.  Also had a migrant
Ruby-throated Hummingbird yesterday.

Cheers

Patrick Santinello

 

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[mailto:bounce-37936970-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of John Gluth
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Screech Owls, Heckscher State Park

 

Working an earlier than usual shift at work got me home with just enough
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to try for migrating Nighthawks. But if any were on the move this evening,
none passed through the swath of sky I watched, only a few bats. 
But I did not get shut out on birds entirely. As I neared my car (parked on
Old Schoolhouse Road) I heard the soft "whinny" call of an Eastern 
Screech Owl from the well-wooded yard of a residence across the street. It
was soon answered by at least two different birds not far inside 
the park boundary. The owls went back and forth for a few minutes with some
short lulls. My barely passable whinny imitation may have 
done the trick, or maybe it was just coincidence, but eventually one owl
flew into a tree just inside the park fence. A streetlight up the block 
provided just enough illumination to help make out the bird's shaggy
silhouette and some faint details, but I wished I'd had a flashlight in my
car.
These birds were among the very few Screech Owls I've encountered without
playback of recordings, mostly during the frigid pre-dawn hours of 
Christmas counts, so finding some without trying on a balmy late summer
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RE:[nysbirds-l] Screech Owls

[Patrick Santinello]

I had an Eastern Screech Owl calling repeatedly within the first 10-20 feet
of the stand of trees in my yard this weekend.  Also had a migrant
Ruby-throated Hummingbird yesterday.

Cheers

Patrick Santinello

 

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:58 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L-for posts
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Screech Owls, Heckscher State Park

 

Working an earlier than usual shift at work got me home with just enough
daylight left to run over to Heckscher State Park (Suffolk Co.) 
to try for migrating Nighthawks. But if any were on the move this evening,
none passed through the swath of sky I watched, only a few bats. 
But I did not get shut out on birds entirely. As I neared my car (parked on
Old Schoolhouse Road) I heard the soft whinny call of an Eastern 
Screech Owl from the well-wooded yard of a residence across the street. It
was soon answered by at least two different birds not far inside 
the park boundary. The owls went back and forth for a few minutes with some
short lulls. My barely passable whinny imitation may have 
done the trick, or maybe it was just coincidence, but eventually one owl
flew into a tree just inside the park fence. A streetlight up the block 
provided just enough illumination to help make out the bird's shaggy
silhouette and some faint details, but I wished I'd had a flashlight in my
car.
These birds were among the very few Screech Owls I've encountered without
playback of recordings, mostly during the frigid pre-dawn hours of 
Christmas counts, so finding some without trying on a balmy late summer
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[nysbirds-l] FW: (Metro Birding Briefs) Gray hooded gull

[Patrick Santinello]

Forwarding.

 

From: btb...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:btb...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elliott
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:39 PM
To: btb...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: (Metro Birding Briefs) Gray hooded gull

 

  

Lloyd Spitalnik called to report that as of 2:30 PM the Gray Hooded Gull has
not been seen.

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[Patrick Santinello]

Forwarding.

 

From: btb...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:btb...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Elliott
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:39 PM
To: btb...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: (Metro Birding Briefs) Gray hooded gull

 

  

Lloyd Spitalnik called to report that as of 2:30 PM the Gray Hooded Gull has
not been seen.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds: Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island: origin

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi..Bob is, I am sure, not the only person to ask similar questions. First,
this species is already on the accepted ABA list, this is not the first
North American record. As far as being a ship-assisted vagrant here is the
link to the ABA rule.(John Pushcock was kind enough to provide the
following)

"If you're concerned about whether it was ship-assisted or not AND if you
follow the ABA rules, you can actually count it whether it rode a ship or
not, as long as it was by its own free will.  See Rule 3, B (ii) at
http://www.aba.org/bigday/rules.pdf.;

 

 

Good Birding,

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY



 

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[mailto:bounce-37883411-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:05 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds: Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island: origin

 

All,

  I am a bit surprised that the origin of this bird has not been discussed
much.   With people coming from a long distance, I think it ought to be
mentioned more than it has been.

  Has this bird arrived here on its own, or was it assisted?  How can we
know?

  Many people are concerned with listing questions, so the issue of origin
is important to them.   Of course, many others are not, so it may be less
important to them.   Scientifically, it is an interesting question.

  The email below from Ken Gale suggests that it accompanied some Laughing
Gulls from Brazil.  That is certainly possible.  But it has evidently never
happened before, anywhere on the heavily birded East coast.  Where is the
pattern of vagrancy for this species?  Is not a ship-assist quite likely?  

   I am reminded of two other very rare species of gulls that first visited
eastern North America in the last fifteen years or so:  Black-tailed Gull
and Kelp Gull.  Both species had previously established vagrancy patterns
that made their appearance in eastern North America at least reasonable.
Here is a link to the Maryland records committee decision (favorable) on the
famous Kelp Gull at Sandgates in southern Maryland:

<http://www.mdbirds.org/mddcrc/pdf/kegudec.pdf>
http://www.mdbirds.org/mddcrc/pdf/kegudec.pdf

  I don't presume to know the answer in the present case of the Grey-hooded
Gull.  I too made the trek to Coney Island to see it.  But it was for me a
"mere" odious drive through Queens of an hour.  Some people are evidently
coming from  much farther.

Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
  

 


   


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Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island

  
..

I spoke with someone named Angus who thinks the bird came up with 
Laughing Gulls when they returned from their wintering grounds in 
South America and might very well stay until the Laughing Gulls fly 
south in September.

Happy bird-day,
Ken

Ken Gale

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RE: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds: Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island: origin

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi..Bob is, I am sure, not the only person to ask similar questions. First,
this species is already on the accepted ABA list, this is not the first
North American record. As far as being a ship-assisted vagrant here is the
link to the ABA rule.(John Pushcock was kind enough to provide the
following)

If you're concerned about whether it was ship-assisted or not AND if you
follow the ABA rules, you can actually count it whether it rode a ship or
not, as long as it was by its own free will.  See Rule 3, B (ii) at
http://www.aba.org/bigday/rules.pdf.;

 

 

Good Birding,

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY



 

From: bounce-37883411-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37883411-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:05 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] nysbirds: Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island: origin

 

All,

  I am a bit surprised that the origin of this bird has not been discussed
much.   With people coming from a long distance, I think it ought to be
mentioned more than it has been.

  Has this bird arrived here on its own, or was it assisted?  How can we
know?

  Many people are concerned with listing questions, so the issue of origin
is important to them.   Of course, many others are not, so it may be less
important to them.   Scientifically, it is an interesting question.

  The email below from Ken Gale suggests that it accompanied some Laughing
Gulls from Brazil.  That is certainly possible.  But it has evidently never
happened before, anywhere on the heavily birded East coast.  Where is the
pattern of vagrancy for this species?  Is not a ship-assist quite likely?  

   I am reminded of two other very rare species of gulls that first visited
eastern North America in the last fifteen years or so:  Black-tailed Gull
and Kelp Gull.  Both species had previously established vagrancy patterns
that made their appearance in eastern North America at least reasonable.
Here is a link to the Maryland records committee decision (favorable) on the
famous Kelp Gull at Sandgates in southern Maryland:

http://www.mdbirds.org/mddcrc/pdf/kegudec.pdf
http://www.mdbirds.org/mddcrc/pdf/kegudec.pdf

  I don't presume to know the answer in the present case of the Grey-hooded
Gull.  I too made the trek to Coney Island to see it.  But it was for me a
mere odious drive through Queens of an hour.  Some people are evidently
coming from  much farther.

Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
  

 


   


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Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Gray-hooded Gull at Coney Island

  
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I spoke with someone named Angus who thinks the bird came up with 
Laughing Gulls when they returned from their wintering grounds in 
South America and might very well stay until the Laughing Gulls fly 
south in September.

Happy bird-day,
Ken

Ken Gale

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[nysbirds-l] Gray-Hooded Gull, technology and the "sacrificial birder"

[Patrick Santinello]

The Gray-Hooded Gull (as many of you already know) was present again today.
As I left the boardwalk at Coney Island someone (Edna) said, "Oh, I thought
I was going to be the sacrificial birder". To which I replied..."Well, now
you should hang around a little longer". Around 15 minutes later and around
5 exits east on the Belt Parkway I received calls from Sandy, Tom and Steve
Walter that the bird had (re)appeared. Cool!

I started birding at the late age of 35 around 15 or so years ago. I have
read that an older brain can never catch up to a brain that started birding
(or a lot of things for that matter) at a young age. That has been evidenced
to me more and more as time passes J.   

As late as ten years ago not everyone had cell  (smart!) phones.  But, today
the sacrificial birder was redeemed by technology and some very nice guys
and one  friend I hadn't seen in years.  Thanks you guys, you helped this
late starter find #600. Much appreciated..let's see if it actually ends up
counting   :-O

 

BTW, There were also 2 Lesser Black-backed Gulls among the other (more
common) gulls seen today.

 

Good birding and good weekend..

 

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY 

 

 


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[nysbirds-l] Yellow-throated Warbler - Hunter's Garden, Eastport NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Had  a Yellow-throated Warbler (albilora) at Hunter's Garden on CR 51 in
Eastport today. The bird was deep in the trails to the west of the clearing.
North and east of where "Toppings Path" meets "Hot Water Street" . Also had
a nice male Blackburnian Warbler as well as a couple American Redstarts. The
usual suspects present (Ovenbird, Yellow, Pine). Tons of Red-eyed Vireo
around. Nice flock of 18 or so Cedar Waxwings..Lots of birdsong today with
my first Veery(s) since returning to NY, never tire of hearing that song.

 

Good birding

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY


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[nysbirds-l] Yellow-throated Warbler - Hunter's Garden, Eastport NY

[Patrick Santinello]

Had  a Yellow-throated Warbler (albilora) at Hunter's Garden on CR 51 in
Eastport today. The bird was deep in the trails to the west of the clearing.
North and east of where Toppings Path meets Hot Water Street . Also had
a nice male Blackburnian Warbler as well as a couple American Redstarts. The
usual suspects present (Ovenbird, Yellow, Pine). Tons of Red-eyed Vireo
around. Nice flock of 18 or so Cedar Waxwings..Lots of birdsong today with
my first Veery(s) since returning to NY, never tire of hearing that song.

 

Good birding

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Hermit Warbler continues

[Patrick Santinello]

The HERMIT WARBLER continues in the same vicinity mentioned earlier by Angus
Wilson (see below)

Good birding
Patrick Santinello
Eastport, NY

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hermit Warbler continues

The HERMIT WARBLER is still present at Sunken Meadow SP (Suffolk). Just west
of traffic circle along fence line between two beach access pts. It's
feeding on the grass or foraging in shrubs along fence. Good luck if you go
and please keep posting reports, positive or negative.

Angus Wilson


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Hermit Warbler continues

[Patrick Santinello]

The HERMIT WARBLER continues in the same vicinity mentioned earlier by Angus
Wilson (see below)

Good birding
Patrick Santinello
Eastport, NY

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 9:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hermit Warbler continues

The HERMIT WARBLER is still present at Sunken Meadow SP (Suffolk). Just west
of traffic circle along fence line between two beach access pts. It's
feeding on the grass or foraging in shrubs along fence. Good luck if you go
and please keep posting reports, positive or negative.

Angus Wilson


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[nysbirds-l] Varied Thrush

[Patrick Santinello]

Hi all..the Varied Thrush did not show for me today from 11:45AM-12:45PM
but, there were as many as three Accipiters present almost the entire time.
By all accounts the bird was still around as it had been seen around an hour
before unless, of course, it was on the lunch menu.

 

Had crushing views of the Fork-Tailed Flycatcher in Stamford this AM. Thanks
to Mardi for posting such great directions to see this bird (see CT list
serve).

 

Good  Birding..

Patrick Santinello

Eastport, NY

 

 

From: bounce-7497546-13703...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-7497546-13703...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jeffery Davis
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:03 PM
To: NYSB
Subject: [nysbirds-l] RFI- Varied Thrush

 

I know the Hermit Warbler stole the spotlight but can anyone report positive
or negative on the Varied Thrush for today? Thanks.

regards,
jeff

Downingtown, PA 

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[nysbirds-l] Black-headed and Lesser Black-backed Gulls

[Patrick Santinello]

The first year Black-Headed Gull and Adult Lesser Black-Backed Gull were
both on the sand flats at Mecox this morning.

Good birding.
Patrick Santinello
Eastport, NY



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[nysbirds-l] Black-headed and Lesser Black-backed Gulls

[Patrick Santinello]

The first year Black-Headed Gull and Adult Lesser Black-Backed Gull were
both on the sand flats at Mecox this morning.

Good birding.
Patrick Santinello
Eastport, NY



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