Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
From: alan...@aol.com Sent: 1/31/2010 4:06:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January I was up at Timber Point today and was disappointed to not see the Dovekie. A local policeman told me that eight Dovekies were taken from other parts of Long Island and six of them have already died. The policeman was not referring to the Dovekie at Great River. In a message dated 1/31/2010 3:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, guthr...@gmail.com writes: Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
We did not asked her for any "credentials" though she claimed to be a biologist. I don't know if anyone have more specific information about her. When I left (about 2PM) she was still around and there were about 10 birders enjoying the Dovekie even if the temperature was extremely low. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Joe Jannsen wrote: > Did any of the birders on site when this woman was there get her name or the > wildlife organization/agency she was supposedly with? Did anybody take down > her plate number? > > -Joe > > > > From: bounce-5112539-10871...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Felipe Pimentel > Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 4:25 PM > To: David Klauber > Cc: NY Birds > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January > > > Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in > distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the > entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a > break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and > that she was going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried > to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 > hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and > someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the > bird left or it was taken bey this "rescuer." I would love know if the bird > was "removed" from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it > just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. > > FP > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > > > > Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around > 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or > rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw > reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. > Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she > was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. > The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies > don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly > actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would > increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively > rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had > to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the > ocean. What's going on here? > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January > From: guthr...@gmail.com > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber > Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and > according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. > There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to > a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it > would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people > the trip over. > > > Cheers, > Andy Guthrie > Hamlin, NY > > > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign > up now. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/> > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Thanks for identifying yourself, Peg. We all worry about these things. I hope he was able to make it out where he was supposed to go! But happy that he gave us a few days up-close & personal. On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:38 PM, sshearwa...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Dear all, > > Ginnie Fratti, director at Wildlife Rescue of the Hamptons and I > were discussing the possibility of catching and examining the > dovekie to see what kind of condition it was it; releasing it on > the ocean if it looked good, or bringing it in for rehab if it was > doing poorly. > > With her recommendation, I went down to have a look. As it was > foraging on its own, both mid-afternoon and at sundown, so even > given the icy temperatures and conditions, it made sense to leave > it be. > > I just stopped down there again and saw no sign of it. There are a > few folks who have been set up with scopes there for awhile who > have not seen it either. It is almost completely iced over in that > little channel except for a little line around the agitators. There > is an opening to the bay, however, and so lets hope it made it back > into open water. > > WRH is a licensed wildlife rehabilitation center run by a skilled > and incredibly conscientious staff which can be lauded for their > unflagging dedication to the field, especially in these tough > economic times. > > Peg Hart > > > On 1/31/2010 3:39 PM, Andy Guthrie wrote: >> Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at >> Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did >> not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has >> not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that >> the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have >> more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been >> useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the >> trip over. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Andy Guthrie >> Hamlin, NY > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Well I hope the little guy just up and left - He wouldn't be terribly easy to catch - unless you wanted to fall in! He was fast! and I know he was very aware of his surroundings - he did not like when I went on the lower cement area to get a closer view. He scurried off very quickly. Being more used to open ocean, I imagine that if the area froze over & he was able, he'd take off. This is the Westhampton facility on the newsday site. http://www.wildliferescuecenter.org/ On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: > Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the > bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie > was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving > constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that > the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was > going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to > discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there > for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was > not there and someone said that the water at the marine was > partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this > "rescuer." I would love know if the bird was "removed" from the > marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the > place because it was time to continue its journey. > > FP > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > >> Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon >> around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife >> biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and >> catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the >> afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later >> and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in >> the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. >> The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said >> most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother >> trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in >> an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability >> of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached >> animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim >> out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to >> the ocean. What's going on here? >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January >> From: guthr...@gmail.com >> To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu >> >> Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at >> Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did >> not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has >> not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that >> the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have >> more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been >> useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the >> trip over. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Andy Guthrie >> Hamlin, NY >> >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. >> Sign up now. > Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Dear all, Ginnie Fratti, director at Wildlife Rescue of the Hamptons and I were discussing the possibility of catching and examining the dovekie to see what kind of condition it was it; releasing it on the ocean if it looked good, or bringing it in for rehab if it was doing poorly. With her recommendation, I went down to have a look. As it was foraging on its own, both mid-afternoon and at sundown, so even given the icy temperatures and conditions, it made sense to leave it be. I just stopped down there again and saw no sign of it. There are a few folks who have been set up with scopes there for awhile who have not seen it either. It is almost completely iced over in that little channel except for a little line around the agitators. There is an opening to the bay, however, and so lets hope it made it back into open water. WRH is a licensed wildlife rehabilitation center run by a skilled and incredibly conscientious staff which can be lauded for their unflagging dedication to the field, especially in these tough economic times. Peg Hart On 1/31/2010 3:39 PM, Andy Guthrie wrote: Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I don't suppose anyone thought to ask who she was or where she was from. On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: > Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the > bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie > was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving > constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that > the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was > going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to > discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there > for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was > not there and someone said that the water at the marine was > partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this > "rescuer." I would love know if the bird was "removed" from the > marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the > place because it was time to continue its journey. > > FP > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > >> Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon >> around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife >> biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and >> catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the >> afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later >> and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in >> the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. >> The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said >> most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother >> trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in >> an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability >> of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached >> animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim >> out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to >> the ocean. What's going on here? >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January >> From: guthr...@gmail.com >> To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu >> >> Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at >> Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did >> not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has >> not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that >> the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have >> more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been >> useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the >> trip over. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Andy Guthrie >> Hamlin, NY >> >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. >> Sign up now. > Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Did any of the birders on site when this woman was there get her name or the
wildlife organization/agency she was supposedly with? Did anybody take down
her plate number?
-Joe
From: bounce-5112539-10871...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Felipe Pimentel
Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 4:25 PM
To: David Klauber
Cc: NY Birds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in
distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the
entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a
break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and
that she was going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to
discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours
(more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone
said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or
it was taken bey this "rescuer." I would love know if the bird was "removed"
from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the
place because it was time to continue its journey.
FP
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote:
Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around
12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or
rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw
reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful.
Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she
was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts.
The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies
don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly
actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would
increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively
rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to
swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean.
What's going on here?
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
From: guthr...@gmail.com
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber
Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and
according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There
were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a
rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would
have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip
over.
Cheers,
Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I would like to think that nature took it's course and that we didn't meddle. Ken Thompson Sayville NY Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: fpimen...@verizon.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:25:23 -0500 CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu To: davehawk...@msn.com Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this "rescuer." I would love know if the bird was "removed" from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean. What's going on here? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: guthr...@gmail.com To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was going to "rescue" it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this "rescuer." I would love know if the bird was "removed" from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 > there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or > rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw > reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. > Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she > was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. > The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies > don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly > actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would > increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively > rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had > to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the > ocean. What's going on here? > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January > From: guthr...@gmail.com > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in > hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according > to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were > also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a > rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it > would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people > the trip over. > > > Cheers, > Andy Guthrie > Hamlin, NY > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I did not see anyone, but heard there was someone earlier in the day. The bird was still there at 4ish yesterday. On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: > I was there and I saw her. I have tried to post something on this > incident since last night but I don't know how to post in this > list. Earlier, I wrote something that I sent to Andy Guthrie. > > FP > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > >> Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon >> around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife >> biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and >> catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the >> afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later >> and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in >> the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. >> The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said >> most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother >> trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in >> an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability >> of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached >> animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim >> out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to >> the ocean. What's going on here? >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 >> Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January >> From: guthr...@gmail.com >> To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu >> >> Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at >> Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did >> not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has >> not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that >> the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have >> more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been >> useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the >> trip over. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Andy Guthrie >> Hamlin, NY >> >> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. >> Sign up now. > Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I was there and I saw her. I have tried to post something on this incident since last night but I don't know how to post in this list. Earlier, I wrote something that I sent to Andy Guthrie. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: > Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 > there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or > rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw > reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. > Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she > was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. > The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies > don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly > actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would > increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively > rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had > to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the > ocean. What's going on here? > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 > Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January > From: guthr...@gmail.com > To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in > hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according > to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were > also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a > rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it > would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people > the trip over. > > > Cheers, > Andy Guthrie > Hamlin, NY > > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
FW: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean. What's going on here? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: guthr...@gmail.com To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I would like to think that nature took it's course and that we didn't meddle. Ken Thompson Sayville NY Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: fpimen...@verizon.net Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:25:23 -0500 CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu To: davehawk...@msn.com Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was going to rescue it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this rescuer. I would love know if the bird was removed from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean. What's going on here? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: guthr...@gmail.com To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
I don't suppose anyone thought to ask who she was or where she was from. On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was going to rescue it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this rescuer. I would love know if the bird was removed from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean. What's going on here? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: guthr...@gmail.com To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
Thanks for identifying yourself, Peg. We all worry about these things. I hope he was able to make it out where he was supposed to go! But happy that he gave us a few days up-close personal. On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:38 PM, sshearwa...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear all, Ginnie Fratti, director at Wildlife Rescue of the Hamptons and I were discussing the possibility of catching and examining the dovekie to see what kind of condition it was it; releasing it on the ocean if it looked good, or bringing it in for rehab if it was doing poorly. With her recommendation, I went down to have a look. As it was foraging on its own, both mid-afternoon and at sundown, so even given the icy temperatures and conditions, it made sense to leave it be. I just stopped down there again and saw no sign of it. There are a few folks who have been set up with scopes there for awhile who have not seen it either. It is almost completely iced over in that little channel except for a little line around the agitators. There is an opening to the bay, however, and so lets hope it made it back into open water. WRH is a licensed wildlife rehabilitation center run by a skilled and incredibly conscientious staff which can be lauded for their unflagging dedication to the field, especially in these tough economic times. Peg Hart On 1/31/2010 3:39 PM, Andy Guthrie wrote: Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Susan Herbst graphic design/illustration/photography 516-633-7730 susie...@optonline.net www.susieart60.etsy.com www.facebook.com/MermaidSuesStudio -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
We did not asked her for any credentials though she claimed to be a biologist. I don't know if anyone have more specific information about her. When I left (about 2PM) she was still around and there were about 10 birders enjoying the Dovekie even if the temperature was extremely low. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Joe Jannsen wrote: Did any of the birders on site when this woman was there get her name or the wildlife organization/agency she was supposedly with? Did anybody take down her plate number? -Joe From: bounce-5112539-10871...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Felipe Pimentel Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 4:25 PM To: David Klauber Cc: NY Birds Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January Yesterday (early afternoon) there was a woman claiming that the bird was in distress and needed help. We told her that the Dovekie was pretty active the entire morning (swimming and diving constantly) and that it was just taking a break. She insisted that the bird was not OK, mentioned a net in her car and that she was going to rescue it (whatever than means). Some birders tried to discourage her and I left about 2PM (Saturday) after being there for 2 hours (more or less). Apparently, this morning the bird was not there and someone said that the water at the marine was partially frozen. Maybe the bird left or it was taken bey this rescuer. I would love know if the bird was removed from the marine by someone who may have good intentions or it just left the place because it was time to continue its journey. FP On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:59 PM, David Klauber wrote: Following up on Andy's post, I was told that yesterday afternoon around 12-1 there was a woman present who said she was a wildlife biologist or rehabilitator, and she had a crab net to try and catch the bird. Since I saw reports of sightings late in the afternoon I assumed she was unsuccessful. Maybe she returned later and did catch it. What I don't understand is why she was there in the first place, more so given scarce resources and budget cuts. The recent newspaper article by a rehabilitation facility said most Dovekies don't do well in rehab and 80% die. So why bother trying to catch a seemingly actively feeding bird, admittedly in an unusual location, when doing so would increase its probability of death? Isn't that time spent more productively rescuing beached animals or clearly injured inviduals? The Dovekie only had to swim out a hundred yards or so to the bay, which in turn connects to the ocean. What's going on here? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January From: guthr...@gmail.com To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January
From: alan...@aol.com Sent: 1/31/2010 4:06:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [nysbirds-l] Timber Point Doveke - NO - Sunday, 31 January I was up at Timber Point today and was disappointed to not see the Dovekie. A local policeman told me that eight Dovekies were taken from other parts of Long Island and six of them have already died. The policeman was not referring to the Dovekie at Great River. In a message dated 1/31/2010 3:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, guthr...@gmail.com writes: Just got off the phone with my Dad (Rich Guthrie) who was at Timber Point in hopes of seeing the long-staying Dovekie. He did not see it, and according to others on the scene the Dovekie has not been seen all day. There were also second-hand rumors that the Dovekie was taken in, perhaps to a rehabilitator. Anyone have more details on this? Assuming it's true, it would have been useful for word to get out to the listserve to save people the trip over. Cheers, Andy Guthrie Hamlin, NY -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
