Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Felipe Pimentel]

I am not an ornithologist but I do have a question. The bird that was found by 
Cesar Castillo, can it be a hybrid of a Nashville Warbler and Orange-crowned 
Warbler? In the academic literature I have read about that weird hybridization 
of these two species and the marked white eye rings of this bird could be a 
trait inherited from the white eyering of the Nashville. I am bringing this 
question up since most comments indicate that this alleged Orange-crowned 
Warbler (ORW) does have unique characteristics not seen in other ORWs. 

Felipe


> On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Kevin J. McGowan <k...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> 
> Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
> pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
> (longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
> mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
> straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, 
> too, with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.
> 
> Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two 
> species. It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big 
> fieldmarks; you need to look at the small ones too.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Bob and all,
> 
> Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge
> 
> What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
> the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of 
> shape, the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned 
> than for MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions 
> of perfect semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the 
> upper arc in particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with 
> the thicker, blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 
> 
> Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in 
> which extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the 
> identity of an individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a 
> struggle that underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear 
> eye-ringed and bright yellow below.
> 
> Best,
> Shai
> ____________
> From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Shai et al.,
>   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
> below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
>  Bob Paxfon
> 
> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Felipe Pimentel]

I am not an ornithologist but I do have a question. The bird that was found by 
Cesar Castillo, can it be a hybrid of a Nashville Warbler and Orange-crowned 
Warbler? In the academic literature I have read about that weird hybridization 
of these two species and the marked white eye rings of this bird could be a 
trait inherited from the white eyering of the Nashville. I am bringing this 
question up since most comments indicate that this alleged Orange-crowned 
Warbler (ORW) does have unique characteristics not seen in other ORWs. 

Felipe


> On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Kevin J. McGowan  wrote:
> 
> Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
> pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
> (longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
> mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
> straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, 
> too, with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.
> 
> Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two 
> species. It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big 
> fieldmarks; you need to look at the small ones too.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L 
> Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Bob and all,
> 
> Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge
> 
> What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
> the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of 
> shape, the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned 
> than for MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions 
> of perfect semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the 
> upper arc in particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with 
> the thicker, blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 
> 
> Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in 
> which extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the 
> identity of an individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a 
> struggle that underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear 
> eye-ringed and bright yellow below.
> 
> Best,
> Shai
> ________
> From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
> To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
> 
> Hi Shai et al.,
>   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
> below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
>  Bob Paxfon
> 
> 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
(longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, too, 
with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.

Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two species. 
It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big fieldmarks; you need 
to look at the small ones too.

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon


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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
(longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, too, 
with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.

Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two species. 
It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big fieldmarks; you need 
to look at the small ones too.

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon


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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block 
<ablock22...@yahoo.com<mailto:ablock22...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the 
photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the 
MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a 
little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean towards 
an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. 
 I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.

Andrew

Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 
3<https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 
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Phone: 914-963-3080<tel:(914)%20963-3080>; Cell: 
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From: Shaibal Mitra 
<shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu<mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>>
To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu>
 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu>]
 on behalf of Cesar Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com<mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017







<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649

RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block 
mailto:ablock22...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the 
photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the 
MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a 
little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean towards 
an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. 
 I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.

Andrew

Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 
3<https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 
10705<https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 
914-319-9701
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From: Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>>
To: NYSBIRDS-L mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu>
 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu>]
 on behalf of Cesar Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com<mailto:czar3...@yahoo.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017







<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Robert Paxton]

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block <ablock22...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing
> the photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the
> MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a
> little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean
> towards an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in
> this instance.  I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.
>
> Andrew
>
> *Andrew v. F. Block*
> *Consulting Naturalist*
> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
> -4629
> Phone: 914-963-3080 <(914)%20963-3080>; Cell: 914-319-9701
> <(914)%20319-9701>
> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums
>
>
> --
> *From:* Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>
> *To:* NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Hi Cesar and all,
>
> Very cool-looking bird!
>
> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill)
> and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a
> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>
> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical
> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on
> things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's
> would be expected to resemble.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo [
> czar3...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the
> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be
> an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that
> extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W
> until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
> though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without
> evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
> below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction
> in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had
> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot
> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, N

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Robert Paxton]

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Andrew Block 
wrote:

> Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing
> the photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the
> MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a
> little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean
> towards an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in
> this instance.  I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.
>
> Andrew
>
> *Andrew v. F. Block*
> *Consulting Naturalist*
> 20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
> Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=20+Hancock+Avenue,+Apt.+3+Yonkers,+Westchester+Co.,+New+York+10705=gmail=g>
> -4629
> Phone: 914-963-3080 <(914)%20963-3080>; Cell: 914-319-9701
> <(914)%20319-9701>
> www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums
>
>
> --
> *From:* Shaibal Mitra 
> *To:* NYSBIRDS-L 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Hi Cesar and all,
>
> Very cool-looking bird!
>
> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill)
> and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a
> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>
> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical
> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on
> things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's
> would be expected to resemble.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo [
> czar3...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the
> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be
> an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that
> extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W
> until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
> though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without
> evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
> below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction
> in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had
> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot
> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757
> /in/dateposted-public/>
>
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/
> dateposted-public/>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Andrew Block]

Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the 
photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the 
MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a 
little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean towards 
an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. 
 I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.
Andrew Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 914-319-9701 
www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums

  From: Shaibal Mitra <shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>
 To: NYSBIRDS-L <nysbird...@list.cornell.edu> 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
 Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
  
Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo 
[czar3...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017







<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986907/in/dateposted-public/

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Andrew Block]

Boy, after seeing the Macgillivray's in Highlands, NJ yesterday and seeing the 
photos of this bird, I can see the similarities for sure.  But the 
MacGillivray's did not have those light edgings as Shai notes and seemed a 
little brighter overall and the throat seemed different too.  I'd lean towards 
an Orange-crowned, but you can really see they'd be confusing in this instance. 
 I've never seen an Orange-crowned like this one.
Andrew Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 914-319-9701 
www.flickr.com/photos/conuropsis/albums

  From: Shaibal Mitra 
 To: NYSBIRDS-L  
 Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:16 PM
 Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
  
Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo 
[czar3...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760229/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017







<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760649/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760329/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986757/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986827/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986547/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/27385760549/in/dateposted-public/>




[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986907/in/dateposted-public/>

<https://www.flickr.com/photos/103732330@N03/24301986907/in/datepost

Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shane Blodgett]

Thanks for sharing Cesar. Goes to show what a difference the original photos 
can make as I was in the MAGW camp based on the back of the camera shots.

Shane

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
> 
> Cesar,
> 
> You very admirably reiterated "THE LAW OF INDIRECT OBSERVATION".
> 
> See the "universal laws of birding" on the Queens county Bird Club's web page.
> 
> http://www.qcbirdclub.org/the-universal-laws
> 
> and FWIW on first sight I thought MGWA too...
> 
> Arie Gilbert 
> North Babylon, NY
> 
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
> 
> Where's That Bird? Maps to Local Birding Hotspots! 
> http://www.qcbirdclub.org/birding-site-maps  
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/19/2017 4:28 PM, Cesar Castillo wrote:
>> Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species.  Thanks for all the 
>> help and clarification!
>> I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this one week when I thought 
>> it might be a MGWA, than in all the years I have been seeing them with no 
>> doubt in my mind as to what they were.  Ironic.
>> 
>> César 
>> 
>> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  
>> y la quiso ir a coger.  
>> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  
>> una pluma y una flor.  
>> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan 
>> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
>> -A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders Peltomaa 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Cesar,
>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>> Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I thought OCWA, because of the 
>> structure and overall feeling I got.
>> Great find and save for your CBC Count.
>> 
>> Anders Peltomaa
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
>> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
>> orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
>> quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until  
>>  we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
>>  Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
>> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 
>> 2nd and 7th link below.  
>> 
>> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
>> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in 
>> the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had 
>> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot 
>> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere. 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> César 
>> 
>> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  
>> y la quiso ir a coger.  
>> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  
>> una pluma y una flor.  
>> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan 
>> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
>> -A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shane Blodgett]

Thanks for sharing Cesar. Goes to show what a difference the original photos 
can make as I was in the MAGW camp based on the back of the camera shots.

Shane

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.net 
> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
> 
> Cesar,
> 
> You very admirably reiterated "THE LAW OF INDIRECT OBSERVATION".
> 
> See the "universal laws of birding" on the Queens county Bird Club's web page.
> 
> http://www.qcbirdclub.org/the-universal-laws
> 
> and FWIW on first sight I thought MGWA too...
> 
> Arie Gilbert 
> North Babylon, NY
> 
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org 
> 
> Where's That Bird? Maps to Local Birding Hotspots! 
> http://www.qcbirdclub.org/birding-site-maps  
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/19/2017 4:28 PM, Cesar Castillo wrote:
>> Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species.  Thanks for all the 
>> help and clarification!
>> I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this one week when I thought 
>> it might be a MGWA, than in all the years I have been seeing them with no 
>> doubt in my mind as to what they were.  Ironic.
>> 
>> César 
>> 
>> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  
>> y la quiso ir a coger.  
>> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  
>> una pluma y una flor.  
>> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan 
>> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
>> -A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders Peltomaa 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Cesar,
>> Thanks for sharing the photos.
>> Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I thought OCWA, because of the 
>> structure and overall feeling I got.
>> Great find and save for your CBC Count.
>> 
>> Anders Peltomaa
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
>> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
>> orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
>> quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until  
>>  we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
>>  Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
>> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 
>> 2nd and 7th link below.  
>> 
>> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
>> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in 
>> the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had 
>> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot 
>> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere. 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017
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>> César 
>> 
>> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  
>> y la quiso ir a coger.  
>> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  
>> una pluma y una flor.  
>> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan 
>> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
>> -A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario
>> --
>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive
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>> ABA
>> Please submit your observations to eBird!
>> --
>> --
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> __._,_.___
> Posted by: Arie Gilbert 
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Arie Gilbert]

  
  
Cesar,

You very admirably reiterated "THE LAW OF INDIRECT OBSERVATION".

See the "universal laws of birding" on the Queens county Bird Club's
web page.

http://www.qcbirdclub.org/the-universal-laws

and FWIW on first sight I thought MGWA too...

Arie Gilbert 
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
 WWW.qcbirdclub.org 

Where's That Bird? Maps to Local Birding Hotspots! 
http://www.qcbirdclub.org/birding-site-maps  



On 12/19/2017 4:28 PM, Cesar Castillo
  wrote:


  

  
Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species. 
  Thanks for all the help and clarification!
I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this
  one week when I thought it might be a MGWA, than in all
  the years I have been seeing them with no doubt in my mind
  as to what they were.  Ironic.


César 
  
  
  

  Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.


-A
Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben
Dario

  
  
  
  
  


  
 On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders
  Peltomaa  wrote: 





  

  
Hi Cesar,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I
  thought OCWA, because of the structure and overall
  feeling I got.
Great find and save for your CBC Count.


Anders Peltomaa


  
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar
  Castillo 
  wrote:


  

  
Dear All,


I have posted the original images
  on flicker.  I have not messed with
  the photos except in increasing their
  sharpness.  I can see how this could
  be an orange-crowned warbler, however
  I remember seeing a grey hood that
  extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and
  I immediately thought Mourning W until
  we looked at the photos and thought
  MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
  though when it comes to details, I
  don't tend to just trust mine without
  evidence.  The hood, if it is real is
  most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
  below.  


Thank you all, it's too bad no one
  else has been able to see it.  I
  attempted to find it on Monday
  morning, but there was active
  construction in the location where it
  was found, and most of the snow in the
  park had melted, giving this bird and
  all the other birds found in the same
  spot ample opportunity to find food
  elsewhere. 


OCWA or MGWA





  

  
 

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Arie Gilbert]

  
  
Cesar,

You very admirably reiterated "THE LAW OF INDIRECT OBSERVATION".

See the "universal laws of birding" on the Queens county Bird Club's
web page.

http://www.qcbirdclub.org/the-universal-laws

and FWIW on first sight I thought MGWA too...

Arie Gilbert 
North Babylon, NY

WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com 
 WWW.qcbirdclub.org 

Where's That Bird? Maps to Local Birding Hotspots! 
http://www.qcbirdclub.org/birding-site-maps  



On 12/19/2017 4:28 PM, Cesar Castillo
  wrote:


  

  
Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species. 
  Thanks for all the help and clarification!
I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this
  one week when I thought it might be a MGWA, than in all
  the years I have been seeing them with no doubt in my mind
  as to what they were.  Ironic.


César 
  
  
  

  Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.


-A
Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben
Dario

  
  
  
  
  


  
 On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders
  Peltomaa  wrote: 





  

  
Hi Cesar,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I
  thought OCWA, because of the structure and overall
  feeling I got.
Great find and save for your CBC Count.


Anders Peltomaa


  
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar
  Castillo 
  wrote:


  

  
Dear All,


I have posted the original images
  on flicker.  I have not messed with
  the photos except in increasing their
  sharpness.  I can see how this could
  be an orange-crowned warbler, however
  I remember seeing a grey hood that
  extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and
  I immediately thought Mourning W until
  we looked at the photos and thought
  MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
  though when it comes to details, I
  don't tend to just trust mine without
  evidence.  The hood, if it is real is
  most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
  below.  


Thank you all, it's too bad no one
  else has been able to see it.  I
  attempted to find it on Monday
  morning, but there was active
  construction in the location where it
  was found, and most of the snow in the
  park had melted, giving this bird and
  all the other birds found in the same
  spot ample opportunity to find food
  elsewhere. 


OCWA or MGWA





  

  

   

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[Cesar Castillo]

Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species.  Thanks for all the help 
and clarification!I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this one week 
when I thought it might be a MGWA, than in all the years I have been seeing 
them with no doubt in my mind as to what they were.  Ironic.
César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders Peltomaa 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Cesar,Thanks for sharing the photos.Interesting bird. When I saw the photos 
I thought OCWA, because of the structure and overall feeling I got.Great find 
and save for your CBC Count.
Anders Peltomaa
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:

Dear All,
I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.  
Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere. 
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César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Cesar Castillo]

Ok, great to learn so much on a more familiar species.  Thanks for all the help 
and clarification!I learned more about Orange-crowned Warblers in this one week 
when I thought it might be a MGWA, than in all the years I have been seeing 
them with no doubt in my mind as to what they were.  Ironic.
César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017, 4:20:18 PM EST, Anders Peltomaa 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Cesar,Thanks for sharing the photos.Interesting bird. When I saw the photos 
I thought OCWA, because of the structure and overall feeling I got.Great find 
and save for your CBC Count.
Anders Peltomaa
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:

Dear All,
I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.  
Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere. 
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César 
Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.  
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.  
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Anders Peltomaa]

Hi Cesar,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I thought OCWA, because of the
structure and overall feeling I got.
Great find and save for your CBC Count.

Anders Peltomaa

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the
> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be
> an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that
> extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W
> until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
> though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without
> evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
> below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction
> in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had
> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot
> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> 12/17/2017
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> 
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> OCWA or MGWA
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> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> OCWA or MGWA
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> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> 
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> OCWA or MGWA
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> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
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> OCWA or MGWA
> 
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> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
>
> César
>
> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era
> traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.
> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una
> pluma y una flor.
> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan
> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Anders Peltomaa]

Hi Cesar,
Thanks for sharing the photos.
Interesting bird. When I saw the photos I thought OCWA, because of the
structure and overall feeling I got.
Great find and save for your CBC Count.

Anders Peltomaa

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:46 PM Cesar Castillo  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the
> photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be
> an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that
> extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W
> until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle
> though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without
> evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link
> below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction
> in the location where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had
> melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found in the same spot
> ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
> 
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA
> 12/17/2017
>
> 
>
>
>
> César
>
> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era
> traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.
> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una
> pluma y una flor.
> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan
> rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
> -*A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario*
> --
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Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Andrew Baksh]

Definitely an Orange-crowned Warbler for all the reasons already cited by Shai.

Thanks for making the images available for further review.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> And please allow me to clarify that I have no idea why it is circulating 
> that I put the blessing on the ID as MacGillivray's after having a 
> single 2 second look at a tiny image on someone's phone on Sunday. My 
> reaction was simply a "wow" and I never pursued it further.
> 
> 
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cesar and all,
>> 
>> Very cool-looking bird!
>> 
>> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed 
>> bill) and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a 
>> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>> 
>> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical 
>> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing 
>> on things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih 
>> MacGillivray's would be expected to resemble.
>> 
>> Shai Mitra
>> Bay Shore
>> 
>> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar 
>> Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
>> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with 
>> the photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this 
>> could be an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey 
>> hood that extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought 
>> Mourning W until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
>> Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
>> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable 
>> in the 2nd and 7th link below.
>> 
>> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
>> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active 
>> construction in the location where it was found, and most of the snow 
>> in the park had melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found 
>> in the same spot ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Andrew Baksh]

Definitely an Orange-crowned Warbler for all the reasons already cited by Shai.

Thanks for making the images available for further review.

Cheers,


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Patricia Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> And please allow me to clarify that I have no idea why it is circulating 
> that I put the blessing on the ID as MacGillivray's after having a 
> single 2 second look at a tiny image on someone's phone on Sunday. My 
> reaction was simply a "wow" and I never pursued it further.
> 
> 
> 
> Patricia Lindsay
> Bay Shore
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cesar and all,
>> 
>> Very cool-looking bird!
>> 
>> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed 
>> bill) and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a 
>> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>> 
>> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical 
>> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing 
>> on things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih 
>> MacGillivray's would be expected to resemble.
>> 
>> Shai Mitra
>> Bay Shore
>> 
>> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar 
>> Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
>> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
>> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with 
>> the photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this 
>> could be an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey 
>> hood that extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought 
>> Mourning W until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
>> Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
>> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable 
>> in the 2nd and 7th link below.
>> 
>> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
>> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active 
>> construction in the location where it was found, and most of the snow 
>> in the park had melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found 
>> in the same spot ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
>> OCWA or MGWA
>> 
>> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
>> 12/17/2017
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Patricia Lindsay]

And please allow me to clarify that I have no idea why it is circulating 
that I put the blessing on the ID as MacGillivray's after having a 
single 2 second look at a tiny image on someone's phone on Sunday. My 
reaction was simply a "wow" and I never pursued it further.



Patricia Lindsay
Bay Shore


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:

> Hi Cesar and all,
>
> Very cool-looking bird!
>
> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed 
> bill) and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a 
> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>
> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical 
> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing 
> on things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih 
> MacGillivray's would be expected to resemble.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar 
> Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with 
> the photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this 
> could be an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey 
> hood that extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought 
> Mourning W until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
> Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable 
> in the 2nd and 7th link below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active 
> construction in the location where it was found, and most of the snow 
> in the park had melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found 
> in the same spot ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
> OCWA or MGWA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
> OCWA or MGWA
>
> Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 
> 12/17/2017
>
>
>
>
>
>
> César
>
> Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era 
> traviesa  y la quiso ir a coger.
> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una 
> perla,  una pluma y una flor.
> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, 
> cortan rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
> -A Margarita Debayle (To Margarita Debayle) by Ruben Dario
> --
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive
> Surfbirds
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> Please submit your observations to eBird!
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>
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> 

RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Patricia Lindsay]

And please allow me to clarify that I have no idea why it is circulating 
that I put the blessing on the ID as MacGillivray's after having a 
single 2 second look at a tiny image on someone's phone on Sunday. My 
reaction was simply a "wow" and I never pursued it further.



Patricia Lindsay
Bay Shore


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 03:16 PM, Shaibal Mitra wrote:

> Hi Cesar and all,
>
> Very cool-looking bird!
>
> I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed 
> bill) and manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a 
> MacGillivray's Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.
>
> Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical 
> feature of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing 
> on things like Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih 
> MacGillivray's would be expected to resemble.
>
> Shai Mitra
> Bay Shore
> 
> From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
> [bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar 
> Castillo [czar3...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
> Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA
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> Dear All,
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> I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with 
> the photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this 
> could be an orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey 
> hood that extended quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought 
> Mourning W until we looked at the photos and thought MacGillivray's. 
> Memory is fickle though when it comes to details, I don't tend to just 
> trust mine without evidence.  The hood, if it is real is most notable 
> in the 2nd and 7th link below.
>
> Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I 
> attempted to find it on Monday morning, but there was active 
> construction in the location where it was found, and most of the snow 
> in the park had melted, giving this bird and all the other birds found 
> in the same spot ample opportunity to find food elsewhere.
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> La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una 
> perla,  una pluma y una flor.
> Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, 
> cortan rosas,  cortan astros. Son así.
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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo 
[czar3...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017












[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





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MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





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MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017






César

Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To 

RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Shaibal Mitra]

Hi Cesar and all,

Very cool-looking bird!

I think its overall shape (and particularly its very finely pointed bill) and 
manners suggest Orange-crowned Warbler. I also think that a MacGillivray's 
Warbler would show a thicker, blacker loral stripe.

Finally, the whitish edges to the tips of the primaries are a typical feature 
of Orange-crowned Warbler, and one that I can't recall seeing on things like 
Mourning Warbler or Common Yellowthroat, whcih MacGillivray's would be expected 
to resemble.

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-122143179-11143...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Cesar Castillo 
[czar3...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:46 PM
To: EBirds NYC; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Dear All,

I have posted the original images on flicker.  I have not messed with the 
photos except in increasing their sharpness.  I can see how this could be an 
orange-crowned warbler, however I remember seeing a grey hood that extended 
quite a bit, Carry Laben and I immediately thought Mourning W until we looked 
at the photos and thought MacGillivray's.  Memory is fickle though when it 
comes to details, I don't tend to just trust mine without evidence.  The hood, 
if it is real is most notable in the 2nd and 7th link below.

Thank you all, it's too bad no one else has been able to see it.  I attempted 
to find it on Monday morning, but there was active construction in the location 
where it was found, and most of the snow in the park had melted, giving this 
bird and all the other birds found in the same spot ample opportunity to find 
food elsewhere.

OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017












[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




OCWA or 
MGWA






[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
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Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
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Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017





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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017




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[https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/flickr.png]
OCWA or MGWA

Flushing Meadows Corona Park - Meadow Lake Queens County, NY, USA 12/17/2017






César

Una tarde la princesa  vio una estrella aparecer;  la princesa era traviesa  y 
la quiso ir a coger.
La quería para hacerla  decorar un prendedor,  con un verso y una perla,  una 
pluma y una flor.
Las princesas primorosas  se parecen mucho a ti;  cortan lirios, cortan rosas,  
cortan astros. Son así.
-A Margarita Debayle (To