[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah)
Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bambang Kansah bambangkan...@... wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Dear Mbah Please see ITMG FOREX DERIVATIF GAIN on the Financial Statement. 2009/3/15 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@: For steady and continuous growth: - Compare the same quarter in diffferet year untuk mengeliminasi efek cyclis (lebaran, musim dll) For SPOTTING melemahnya performance emiten: - bandingkan dengan quarter sebelumnya. Kedua duanya punya kegunaan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Itu dibandingkan Q4 vs Q3 2008 Mbah? Kalo gak salah Mbah pernah bilang mengenai hal ini, biasanya kan yg dilihat perbandingan antara quarter yg sama tapi tahun berbeda, mis. Q3 2007 vs Q3 2008, Q4 2007 vs Q4 2008... On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: PTBA vs ITMG comparison http://www.investdata.net/QZ84COA9.TXT Note: - ITMG has postive Q4 growth over Q3, see column 14,15,16
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah)
Mau sebagus apapun laporan keuangan emiten Coal, embah masih menunggu nasib grafik harga Coal, KECUALI TA nya CANTIK... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bambang Kansah bambangkansah@ wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Dear Mbah Please see ITMG FOREX DERIVATIF GAIN on the Financial Statement. 2009/3/15 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@: For steady and continuous growth: - Compare the same quarter in diffferet year untuk mengeliminasi efek cyclis (lebaran, musim dll) For SPOTTING melemahnya performance emiten: - bandingkan dengan quarter sebelumnya. Kedua duanya punya kegunaan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Itu dibandingkan Q4 vs Q3 2008 Mbah? Kalo gak salah Mbah pernah bilang mengenai hal ini, biasanya kan yg dilihat perbandingan antara quarter yg sama tapi tahun berbeda, mis. Q3 2007 vs Q3 2008, Q4 2007 vs Q4 2008... On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: PTBA vs ITMG comparison http://www.investdata.net/QZ84COA9.TXT Note: - ITMG has postive Q4 growth over Q3, see column 14,15,16
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah)
Mbah, kalau ga keberatan , sebaiknya comparison di tambah dengan BUMI.. biar aple 2 aple BUMI vs PTBA vs ITMG Bagaimana pun BUMi is the biggest Coal player --- On Sun, 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:30 PM Mau sebagus apapun laporan keuangan emiten Coal, embah masih menunggu nasib grafik harga Coal, KECUALI TA nya CANTIK... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, adjies2000 ad2...@... wrote: Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Bambang Kansah bambangkansah@ wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Dear Mbah Please see ITMG FOREX DERIVATIF GAIN on the Financial Statement. 2009/3/15 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ : For steady and continuous growth: - Compare the same quarter in diffferet year untuk mengeliminasi efek cyclis (lebaran, musim dll) For SPOTTING melemahnya performance emiten: - bandingkan dengan quarter sebelumnya. Kedua duanya punya kegunaan. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Rei highwaystar91@ wrote: Itu dibandingkan Q4 vs Q3 2008 Mbah? Kalo gak salah Mbah pernah bilang mengenai hal ini, biasanya kan yg dilihat perbandingan antara quarter yg sama tapi tahun
[obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah) -- pak Oentoeng
Masih nunggu Penyampaian Laporan Keuangan dari emiten BUMI... Tapi ada yg lebih penting: - Nasib semua emiten coal saat ini lagi menunggu apakah harga coal akan jebol dibawah 60 dollar. Biasa pak Oentoeng yg bisa memprediksi ini... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, rudd haas rudd...@... wrote: Mbah, kalau ga keberatan , sebaiknya comparison di tambah dengan BUMI.. biar aple 2 aple BUMI vs PTBA vs ITMG Bagaimana pun BUMi is the biggest Coal player --- On Sun, 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:30 PM Mau sebagus apapun laporan keuangan emiten Coal, embah masih menunggu nasib grafik harga Coal, KECUALI TA nya CANTIK... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Bambang Kansah bambangkansah@ wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, ruzli indeksbei3000@ wrote: Dear Mbah Please see ITMG FOREX DERIVATIF GAIN on the Financial Statement. 2009/3/15 jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ : For steady and continuous growth: - Compare the same quarter in diffferet year untuk mengeliminasi efek cyclis (lebaran, musim dll
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah) -- pak Oentoeng
Sedikit ketolong harga minyak yg naik kali Mbah...kecuali minyaknya jebol lagi? *NEWC Index* 13-Feb-09 80.28 20-Feb-09 76.34 27-Feb-09 65.32 06-Mar-09 61.70 13-Mar-09 62.10 On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:59 PM, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@centrin.net.id wrote: Masih nunggu Penyampaian Laporan Keuangan dari emiten BUMI... Tapi ada yg lebih penting: - Nasib semua emiten coal saat ini lagi menunggu apakah harga coal akan jebol dibawah 60 dollar. Biasa pak Oentoeng yg bisa memprediksi ini... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, rudd haas rudd...@... wrote: Mbah, kalau ga keberatan , sebaiknya comparison di tambah dengan BUMI.. biar aple 2 aple BUMI vs PTBA vs ITMG Bagaimana pun BUMi is the biggest Coal player --- On Sun, 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: From: jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PTBA vs ITMG comparison(Mbah) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 2:30 PM Mau sebagus apapun laporan keuangan emiten Coal, embah masih menunggu nasib grafik harga Coal, KECUALI TA nya CANTIK... --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, adjies2000 ad2000@ wrote: Mbah, Kalau ada waktu tolong diteropong PTBA vs ITMG, supaya PD Tektok nya PS: Maklum Investor, belum punya Live Chart, Thanks Dengan Testing is by far the most important of the low volume buy signals. As we shall refer to the subject many times, in what follows, it will be worthwhile to digress here for a moment and look at the subject in detail. What is a test and why do we place such importance on this action? A large trader who has been accumulating an individual stock or a section of the market can mark prices down with some confidence, but he cannot mark prices up when others are selling into the same market without losing money. To attempt to mark prices up into selling is extremely poor business, so poor in fact, it will lead to bankruptcy if one persists. The danger to any professional operator who is bullish, is supply coming into his market (selling), because on any rally, selling on the opposite side of the market will act as resistance to the rally and may even swamp his buying. Bullish professionals will have to absorb this selling if they want higher prices to be maintained. If they are forced to absorb selling at higher levels (by more buying), the selling may become so great that prices are forced down. They will have been forced to buy stock at an unacceptably high level and will lose money if the market falls. Rallies in any stock-based indices are usually short-lived after you have seen supply in the background. The professional trader knows that given enough time (with bad news, persistent down-moves, even time itself with nothing much happening) the floating supply can be removed from the market, but he has to be sure the supply has been completely removed before trying to trade up his holding. The best way to find out is to rapidly mark the prices down. This challenges any bears around to come out into the open and show their hand. The amount of volume (activity) of trading as the market is marked down will tell the professional how much selling there is. Low volume, or low trading activity, shows there is little selling on the mark-down . This will also catch any stops below the market, which is a way of buying at still lower prices. (This action is sometimes known as a springboard) High volume, or high activity, shows that there is in fact selling (supply) on the mark-down . This process is known as testing. You can have successful tests on low volume and other types of tests on high volume, usually on `bad news`. This not only catches stops, but shakes the market out as well, making the way easier for higher prices. Testing is a good sign of strength (as long as you have strength in the background). Usually, a successful test (on low volume) tells you that the market is ready to rise immediately, whilst a higher volume test usually results in a temporary up-move, and will be subject to a re-test of the same price area again at a later time. This action sometimes results in a W shape. This pattern is sometimes referred to as a dead cat bounce or a double bottom. The W shape results from the action of re-testing an area that had too much supply before. Master --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Bambang Kansah bambangkansah@ wrote: Mbah, kalau aku sih pilih PTBA aja d, yg deviden-nya bikin mimpi jadi indah... :-D On 3/15/09, jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ wrote: Forex gain is included in Net Profit but is EXCLUDED from Operating Profit. So you can measure ITMG performance by looking at Operating profit
