Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Also a +1 from me for Andrea as chair. Marcus Am 10/01/2012 11:11 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, On 27.09.2012 23:54, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. I am supporting the nomination of Andrea. Thus, +1 from my side. Best regards, Oliver. On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On 9/27/12 11:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew first of all thanks for driving this forward, I was offline for some days and I am happy to see that we made progress not only with the PMC roster but also with the PMC chair selection. I am in favor of Andrea Pescetti as well and think he would be a good chair representing the overall community. I hope Andrea will be available as potential PMC chair. Juergen
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Hi, On 27.09.2012 23:54, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. I am supporting the nomination of Andrea. Thus, +1 from my side. Best regards, Oliver. On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1. It is easy to offend people by actively working on this project. It is easy not to offend people by doing nothing real. But to actively contribute to the project, and to avoid offending or being offended, this is a talent and a temperament that especially recommends Andrea for this position. Great comment, Rob. And a great candidate too, me thinks -Rob Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Saturday, 29 September, 2012 at 10:07 , Rob Weir wrote:
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com
(mailto:lui...@gmail.com) wrote:
On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org
(mailto:b...@apache.org) wrote:
Original Message
From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com (mailto:dpharbi...@gmail.com)
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org (mailto:ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com
(mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com) wrote:
I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the
project,
and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
+1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source
community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I
believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and
will make an excellent chair.
+1 I agree.
Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his
disinclination to serve in such a role?
These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept
or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster
includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there
is nothing wrong with evolving one's views.
-Rob
Why would there be any suggestion of anything wrong? I was just curious if
Andrea had evolved his views. I'm not criticizing any proposed name. Far from
it.
Louisk
Louis
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Just a reminder, we are still in the 72 hours window of looking for candidates. There is no hurry to vote for anyone. Let's focus on finding candidates who can be and willing be the Chair. On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/09/29 10:16, Yong Lin Ma said: I would like to support any of them (include Andrea Pescetti) to be the Chair. Right now, it depends on who of them willing to take the role and how the we will choose from them. After we get a list of confirmed candidates, we can vote for them. Every one can vote for one or more than one. And finally the one who get the most tickets (need reach a bar) will be the chair. Actually, I was not asking why or how this is done. I was stating the conflict behind this. In short, nominating more than one person for the chair is self-contraction. This violates the purpose of nomination, and should not happen. And also, should we add a rule of nomination that one person can only nominate one candidate? This rule is most common in all kinds of elections. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said: I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. I suppose we have only one chair. Are you really sure you want to nominate more than one person? This might mean potential conflict on which one you support. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org wrote: Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his disinclination to serve in such a role? These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there is nothing wrong with evolving one's views. -Rob Louis
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Sure. Let's wait for Andrew's response. But whether Andrew accept it or not, I hope other PMC members who are willing to take the Chair role do not hesitate to step up. Whoever be the Chair finally will get the support of the whole team. On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org wrote: Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his disinclination to serve in such a role? These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there is nothing wrong with evolving one's views. -Rob Louis -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org wrote: Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his disinclination to serve in such a role? That did not happen in public. Andrea has shown a consistent and positive engagement with the Apache project since June 2011. These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there is nothing wrong with evolving one's views. Exactly. Regards, Dave -Rob Louis
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org wrote: Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his disinclination to serve in such a role? That did not happen in public. Andrea has shown a consistent and positive engagement with the Apache project since June 2011. These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there is nothing wrong with evolving one's views. Exactly. Regards, Dave -Rob Louis I would like to nominate Drew. He has been tireless in infrastructural roles for years. -Wolf -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton b...@apache.org wrote: Original Message From: Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and will make an excellent chair. +1 I agree. Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his disinclination to serve in such a role? That did not happen in public. Andrea has shown a consistent and positive engagement with the Apache project since June 2011. These are nominations. Nominees will have the opportunity to accept or decline the nomination. And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC. So there is nothing wrong with evolving one's views. Exactly. Regards, Dave -Rob Louis I would like to nominate Drew. He has been tireless in infrastructural roles for years. -Wolf -- whoops: Drew Jensen, specifically -- This Apt Has Super Cow Powers - http://sourcefreedom.com Open-Source Software in Libraries - http://FOSS4Lib.org Advancing Libraries Together - http://LYRASIS.org Apache Open Office Developer wolfhal...@apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Yong Lin Ma wrote: I hope other PMC members who are willing to take the Chair role do not hesitate to step up. Exactly. And about the rest, Rob and Dave clarified very well what the current phase is about, and there's no need to discuss my name further in this phase where we are collecting nominations. As for me, I find more appropriate to wait until we have collected all nominations, to respect people who might want to propose further names. Whoever be the Chair finally will get the support of the whole team. Of course. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said: I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. I suppose we have only one chair. Are you really sure you want to nominate more than one person? This might mean potential conflict on which one you support. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Hi. On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Yes. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. I wanted to be PPMC chair, but because my English a little weak. :( I nominate: Andrea Pescetti. (: Albino
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2012/9/27 Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 Regards Ricardo
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Hello Yong Lin; I want to thank you for the nomination. I have toyed with the idea but I don't think I am the ideal candidate for it. I am rather particular in that I was never a part of the previous Oracle-led community so I am afraid that at this time I can't really take a good decision towards whom it should be (in fact the candidate I had, declined joining the PMC). I would prefer if the PMC chair election were postponed until after ApacheCon to have the chance of meeting in person other community members. Pedro. From: Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org ... I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On 09/27/2012 02:54 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew I would nominate Andrea also... :) On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- MzK Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the circus has left town. -- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On Sep 27, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. I agree. Regards, Dave Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Andrew declined to be the Chair before. It would be great if he changed his mind. Anyone can confirm that? Sorry if I missed something. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On 9/28/2012 9:51 PM, RGB ES wrote: 2012/9/27 Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. +1 +1 Peter
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
On 2012/09/29 10:16, Yong Lin Ma said: I would like to support any of them (include Andrea Pescetti) to be the Chair. Right now, it depends on who of them willing to take the role and how the we will choose from them. After we get a list of confirmed candidates, we can vote for them. Every one can vote for one or more than one. And finally the one who get the most tickets (need reach a bar) will be the chair. Actually, I was not asking why or how this is done. I was stating the conflict behind this. In short, nominating more than one person for the chair is self-contraction. This violates the purpose of nomination, and should not happen. And also, should we add a rule of nomination that one person can only nominate one candidate? This rule is most common in all kinds of elections. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said: I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. I suppose we have only one chair. Are you really sure you want to nominate more than one person? This might mean potential conflict on which one you support. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Sorry, forget it. I may be overacting. ^^; On 2012/09/29 11:35, imacat said: On 2012/09/29 10:16, Yong Lin Ma said: I would like to support any of them (include Andrea Pescetti) to be the Chair. Right now, it depends on who of them willing to take the role and how the we will choose from them. After we get a list of confirmed candidates, we can vote for them. Every one can vote for one or more than one. And finally the one who get the most tickets (need reach a bar) will be the chair. Actually, I was not asking why or how this is done. I was stating the conflict behind this. In short, nominating more than one person for the chair is self-contraction. This violates the purpose of nomination, and should not happen. And also, should we add a rule of nomination that one person can only nominate one candidate? This rule is most common in all kinds of elections. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said: I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. I suppose we have only one chair. Are you really sure you want to nominate more than one person? This might mean potential conflict on which one you support. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
I would also like to nominate Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) as candidates of the PMC Chair. They are all well known in the community. On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. Andrew On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
