MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Dear All, Just need to be carefull about endorsing, that?s all. I can say. Just to ensure the quality of the work done internationally. I see the endorsement as a commercial thing rather than a quality measure at this point. This observation is based on experience with more than twenty three developing countries. Cheers Carol LATAM Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:57:58 +0100 From: sauerm...@technikum-wien.at To: pazospablo at hotmail.com Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org Hello! If you are talking about endorsed trainers then you VERY CLEARY need to define - what is training - what is a trainer - what is endorsed - how do you get endorsed. Otherwise very likely somebody will be angry, because - they are not on the list of endorsed trainers - they feel that the endorsed trainers are not as clever as themselves - . So: Similar to standards for software you will also need to define standards / guidelines for - the intended learning outcome - different levels of expertise (e.g certified professional openEHR - basic level, CP openEHR - advanced level , ...) - the methods for assessment - methods for training - .. Having been through this all let me summarise - it seems sensible to start by defining a basic skill level - to then define the learning outcomes of that skill level - to then define an exam for that skill level - to formally provide exams from there on you can - extend to advanced skill levels, and specialised skill sets - go on by defining / offering training, courses, trainers etc. This is no piece of cake. It will not happen in 3 weeks. Along the way you will need to harmonise the views of many individuals. We all know that to harmonise consumes substantial resources. This draws from first hand experience on certifying personal skills in the fields of software testing and IT interoperability in healthcare, as well as from years of teaching and building study programs in biomedical engineering. Hope this helps, greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I: www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 24.10.2014 19:20, schrieb pablo pazos: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help. For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at
MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Dear All, Please take this observation as a help DISCUSSION rather a critic: but the standards difinition is not an awareness issues, instead is a GAP between contexts.In Latino America and Caribe, there is minimal understanding of what a standard isas displayed on Pablo?s answer, so the real use of openEHR never is achieved because of this gap. I was last week in INFOLAC2014 ,where the goverment of Uruguay and several local authorities discussed about standards but the issue was a different one. So, I believe that OpenEHR as foundation and its initial team of founders of this conceptual and technical framework should lead the training contents and validity that developing countries are using. I was surprise that Uruguay invested 4 million dollars and the concept of openEHR was missing: lost of investment again.http://www.agesic.gub.uy/innovaportal/file/1443/1/agesic_agendadigital_2011_2015.pdf Hope this contextual information help to get a good quality training package from the foundation so then it can be shared around the world. Cheers Carol(LATAM) From: pazospa...@hotmail.com To: bert.verhees at rosa.nl; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 19:23:40 + Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is. Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them. Pablo Pazos www.CaboLabs.com -- Original message-- From: Bert Verhees Date: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 4:17 PM To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; Subject:Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification. http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm ISO, What is a standard: A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose. On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote: Thanks for your message Stefan. I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs. For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side. Educators trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying the foundation supports us and have a web page with our name as endorsed trainers allows us to access places that we can't access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need help. For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!). I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them. -- Kind regards, Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez http://cabolabs.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200 From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials Dear Pablo! Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, educators working along providing training, trying to expain to the institutional layer, asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE Education group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and institutional layers knew why and how they might benefit from each other. In that way I can understand your experience So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that education is a political issue. This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high! Greetings from Vienna, Stefan Stefan Sauermann Program Director Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master) University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988 M: +43 664 6192555 E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt I: www.healthy-interoperability.at Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo
Meeting at Medinfo?
Will be good to see you there, and see faces I do not know. Cheers From Chile Carol From: ian.mcnic...@oceaninformatics.com Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:00:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Meeting at Medinfo? To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org Hi all, I will be at Medinfo and will try to coordinate who can come along to an openEHR get-together on the Tuesday evening and where we might go for dinner. Any suggestions welcome. There is a great place, part of the Tivoli Gardens, which serves copious amounts of 'Bosnian-style' food. Pretty good value, at least for Copenhagen. We might be able to book a large table if we get going quickly. Ian On 1 August 2013 13:38, John B Hughes, Dr john.b.hughes at mcgill.ca wrote: Hi Heather, I am looking forward to meeting everyone at MedInfo. The Tuesday night sounds good. jh John B. Hughes M.D., C.M. Assistant Professor McGill University Faculty of Medicine From: openEHR-clinical [openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] on behalf of Heather Leslie [heather.les...@oceaninformatics.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:41 PM To: For openEHR clinical discussions; For openEHR technical discussions; For openEHR implementation discussions Subject: Meeting at Medinfo? Dear Colleagues attending Medinfo, Hugh, Ian, Sebastian and I will be attending from Ocean this year. We?d love to catch up with our openEHR colleagues informally one evening, maybe even for a meal if we can organise it. The program overview is here: http://www.medinfo2013.dk/Program%20at%20a%20glance Perhaps we could meet after the opening reception on Tuesday night, 20th? What do you think? Regards Heather Dr Heather Leslie MBBS FRACGP FACHI Director/Head of Consulting Ocean Informatics Phone (Aust) +61 418 966 670 Skype - heatherleslie Twitter - @omowizard ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org ___ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20130802/65df0929/attachment.html
How about creating an openEHR test base?
From a licencing view, you are correct!!From a ENCOURAGING PERSPECTIVE, you must declare your position: you are selling?? fantastic, then the service and product is well defined.But if you use the term openehr as a marketing tool, then you must be able to see the meaning of collective goods and personal benefits. The community of openehr is a great asset to our societies, and we need sellers, intellectual and great people like you. But as my work is defined as a collective impact, I strongly recommend that the SELLERS must declare the price and products functionality. In our region, people believe that openehr only belongs to sellers that is not the case. Cheers Carol Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:14:57 +0100 Subject: Re: How about creating an openEHR test base? From: serefari...@kurumsalteknoloji.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Dear Carol, Every tangible (as tangible as knowledge based artefacts can be) aspect of this discussion is subject to a license, ranging from Mozilla to Apache 2.0 These licenses allow their users to reap the benefits of these items in any way they see fit, maybe with some constraints related to the licensed entity. So if Pablo uses his knowledge and the collective effort to make money, he is not introducing any conflicts. He is absolutely free to do so, and I'd personally like to see him do it. Unless I'm wrong with the current state of things, as long as an individual complies with the published terms and conditions related to openEHR, they're free to do whatever they want to Best regards Seref On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio carolhullin at hotmail.com wrote: Dear All, I have been reading all the posting from all the internacional community of openehr.It is confusing at times and some clarity appears too. My contribution is in regards to Just to let you know my personal agenda :D I need to do this to encourage openEHR adoption here in South America From my perspective: Brasil is already encouraging the use of openehr and others countries are using too, specially from a public and collective benefits. The conflict of interest is when PERSONALLY this knowledge is used as a product to sell and make money transfer from a collective good without an aggremment. For example, in Chile, a course was offered to the members with a cost, great beginning. I was very happy that THE ENCOURAGEMENT STARTED..however, the approach used last year confused the collective groups since at this side of the world (Chile) , the archetypes were introduced at the goverment level in 2006 by ocean informatics as a powerful tool of integration ( with a very different level of wisdom). So, my recommendation for this area of developing countries is to provide some encouragement BUT always engaged with the wisdom first, meaning if we all want openehr to be successful ensure a strong collaboration at SELLING POINT, that is the add value of openehr. When a PERSONAL wish cross the collective good, there is room for error as expect but when previous work is not acknowledge in the same country, you will run to RESISTANT that is what is happening in Latino America and Caribe. Cheers Carol IMIA LAC President,PhD, Post Doc Health Informatics Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 17:51:10 +0900 Subject: Re: How about creating an openEHR test base? From: skoba at moss.gr.jp To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, Seref and all, I think many implementation on the same API would make competitive and innovative environment. While re-invention of wheel is considered as waste of time, implementation by many ways sometimes makes innovation. Ruby on Rails is a web development framework, which affect many development framework, but web frameworks has been generated before/after RoR. All of them aim to product Web with ease, but approaches are not same. I am glad to have such environment with you on the openEHR. Licensing is a sensitive matter to share artefacts. It subjects not only code bases, but also on API like Oracle/Google issues. However, my artefacts are under Apache 2.0 or other open licenses. Cheers, Shinji. 2012/5/11 pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com: Hi guys, Seref, I was thinking a lot about what you said There are various bits of functionality implemented in different projects..., and that rang a bell somewhere. I think we are implementing the same things again and again because the technology we choose can't handle what is already implemented, and I believe this is a great opportunity to start creating common services providing this funcionality to our systems, so we only implement service clients not the same functionality in an alternative way. There is a great deal of functionality developed by Rong company (and other projects, .Net, Ruby, ...), and some of the functionality can be exposed as public services
openEHR conference - proposal for Lake Bled, Slovenia 2012 - POLL
Happy to help this initiative in LAC. IMIA LAC assist this type of communities. Dra. Hullin Lucay Cossio (RN,BN,Hons,PhD,Post Doc) IMIA LAC President www.imia-lac.net From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: RE: openEHR conference - proposal for Lake Bled, Slovenia 2012 - POLL Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:29:24 +1100 Hi Shinji We could not get sponsorship for the conference, which is a shame. For that reason it looks like that will not happen until we have Associates and some core funding. I would like to organise some Google handouts at different times each month - probably 3/month suiting Asia, Europe/Africa and the Americas. Would others be interested in meeting for a chat every month, with Video. We could use GoToWebinar for some more formal gatherings. Cheers, Sam -Original Message- From: openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org [mailto:openehr- technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Shinji KOBAYASHI Sent: Friday, 2 March 2012 10:40 AM To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: openEHR conference - proposal for Lake Bled, Slovenia 2012 - POLL Hi all, Can I resume this topic? I am much looking forward to meeting this conference. I know there are many problems, but just to do it very great for us. Regards, Shinji 2012/1/13 Thomas Beale thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com: On 13/01/2012 08:14, Ian McNicoll wrote: I do like the idea but I would prefer that each conference has its own very clear identity, albeit that some sessions could be shared, along with venue etc. A couple of the MIE conferences have operated this way with local informatics conferences being co-hosted/located with the European event, with some joint sessions but otherwise a very clear individual agenda and focus. Right - that could be a solution. - thomas ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr- technical_lists.openehr.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20120319/ab975053/attachment-0001.html
ISO 21090 data types too complex?
I second that!! Carol Dra Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio Presidente of IMIA-LAC PhD Health Informatics www.imia-lac.net +5628979701 Chile From: s...@vivici.nl Subject: Re: ISO 21090 data types too complex? Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:53:04 +0100 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org It looks like we're getting to the heart of the matter here. What I really would like to know from the others what their opinion's on these subjects are? If it indeed turns out to be true that Tom don't understand how datatypes, RIM or data types are working, we, as the openEHR community, should ask him to shut up. If not we should find better ways to get the message across... Cheers, Stef Op 7 nov 2010, om 12:12 heeft Grahame Grieve het volgende geschreven: hi Tom . The context specific stuff is specific to HL7 only. It just doesn't apply elsewhere. not at all. And I'm surprised you still think this. HXIT is to do with capturing and managing foreign data. As is some of the II stuff. It doesn't and won't arise in an EHR system for internal data, but it will for imported data. So where it does arise is not HL7 specific. Flavors are a ISO 21090 thing. And optional - they aren't in the schema, for instance. Update mode is transactional. Almost everybody will profile it out. .. There is not a close correspondence between the 21090 idea of ?ANY? and the typical Any/Object or other root class of most object-oriented type systems ? this name clash would have to be resolved in some way; It appears I will have to keep repeating this until I am blue in the face. It is not a name clash, nor does it (or should it) correspond to a root class in any other system - it is it's own class. The fact you think this indicates that you are totally confused as to what ISO 21090 is. (Hint: look at how you modeled your own data types...) ... The modelling style seems to follow the strange HL7 obsession with non-object orientation, popularised in the RIM. which indicates that you don't understand the RIM or the data types, and how they differ. Grahame ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20101108/1f297d30/attachment.html
The Reality.......Re: informal poll: openEHR conference
Dear All, I believe the following point and I strongly encourage ACTION as soon as possible: Governance of openEHR is not clear to all the community Communication with all members is broad and requires some leadership The foundation lidership group sits in few people and the process to select them is not explicit Example of Medinfo 2010 collaboration can be used to avoid confusion At present ocean informatics is seem to be the leader in the market and it is a good thing. At the same time the foundation should guide its members to the health sector and encourage competition The members are volunteer and need some incentives to keep collaborating : trust is a good thing. We need leadership space where anyone can participate with a democratic guidelines The first congress of openEHR should be somewhere where the members are closed by. It is bad luck for us in the south * since the attendance will be low due to funding sources, but the foundation should provide some funding to people like TIm and others working so hard alone and in the limited resources environments. I encourange strongly an annual meeting and allow new members to engage. At present the knowledge sits with the founders and maner to transfer to society remains uncertan due to the lack of resources. Government wants to engage with openEHR but the mechanism remains unclear. Cheers Carol Dr. Carola Hullin Lucay Cossio Santiago Chile Melbourne- Australia Subject: Re: The Reality...Re: informal poll: openEHR conference From: timothywayne.cook at gmail.com To: openehr-technical at chime.ucl.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:28:23 -0200 Only my suggestio. I have nothing else to say on the matter. If it is not in SA; I will not attend w/o funding. The life of a lone consultant prevails :-) --Tim On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 19:00 +, Thomas Beale wrote: Brazil entered my mind as well. But I had not thought of going that far away from Rio SP; but you are right - if you look on the map, it is not too many hours flight from east coast US or most of Europe. The down side seems to be that there are no direct flights from London, which probably means the same for most other European countries ; only Lisbon has direct flights. But it does seem like an interesting candidate location. - thomas Tim Cook wrote: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 01:01 +0900, Vanna wrote: I swore I wasn't going to respond to this; but. While most of openEHR is Euro-centric. The reality is that the most obvious place ( outside of Asia) is to hold it in Natal, BR http://preview.tinyurl.com/3w54c It is close to everywhere (in relative terms) It is beautiful; year round. From hiking to scuba you can enjoy. I've enjoyed Stockholm, Amsterdam and many other places. But they are so often weather dependent. Natal is closest to Africa/Europe in the Americas. It's not AS green of a trip as Tom wants. But are we really talking about a global community? Okay, we have a great opensource community (by law) here. Google FISL and PythonBrasil... Has YOUR President ever spoke at a free software conference? --Tim ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical -- Thomas Beale Chief Technology Officer, Ocean Informatics Chair Architectural Review Board, openEHR Foundation Honorary Research Fellow, University College London Chartered IT Professional Fellow, BCS, British Computer Society Health IT blog ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical -- *** Timothy Cook, MSc LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/timothywaynecook Skype ID == (upon request) Academic.Edu Profile: http://uff.academia.edu/TimothyCook You may get my Public GPG key from popular keyservers or from this link http://timothywayne.cook.googlepages.com/home _ Get more out of Hotmail Check out the latest features today http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/hotmail/article/878466/your-hotmail-is-about-to-get-even-better -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/private/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20091203/50148b88/attachment.html
Improving Translation_details and other_contributors ?
Dear All, I do agree with a more national or collective approach, however, these initiatives take longer to adopt among the right people due to the lack of understanding from authorities at that level about clinical concepts. They see clinical models as part of a simple health business or another workflow within healthcare. Consequently, for this type of work and the time frame required for archetypes, both approaches are acceptable but they must have the both options, since the later ( National or accreditation approach) may take for ever. Politicians and government authorities may not see this as a priority for information systems design or development. Sincerely, Carol Dr Hullin Senior Business Analysts HeatlhSmart Initiative Office of Information Systems Department of Human Services Victoria Australia From: mi...@imt.liu.se To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: RE: Improving Translation_details and other_contributors ? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:39:16 +0200 Dear Sebastian, Translations of medical (health) archetypes have parts in common with translations of medical (health) terminology systems. One example of translation projects of medical terminology systems is the Swedish SNOMED CT translation project. The project is approximately halfway of the translation of all active descriptions of the type ?preferred term? from English to Swedish. The number of descriptions the project has to translate is around 300,000. In this project is normally each description translated by one translator. The translation is then first inspected by one other translator and then inspected by a translation editorial office. The translation is then verified by relevant health care personnel. As far as I know will the translated descriptions be marked as part of the Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare?s official translation of SNOMED CT. However, the names of the people involved in the translation and which organisations they belong to will only be known inside the translation project. It seems also to be the same case for other translations of terminology system into Swedish. I therefore think that in some cases are the accreditation association much more important than the name and demographic information about the translators. I therefore think that a more proper model is accreditation : String 0..1 -- Accreditation of translator, usually a national translator?s association id translation_contributors : HashString,String,String 0..1 -- Role, name and other demographic details for contributors in the translation process Regards, Mikael From: openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sebastian Garde Sent: den 23 juni 2009 10:25 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Improving Translation_details and other_contributors ? Dear all, Ian, Heather and I have raised an issue at http://www.openehr.org/issues/browse/SPECPR-24 for improving the Translation_details and other_contributors. What seems to be current practice is that a translation will be done by more than one person and documenting this is not really supported by the model: TRANSLATION_DETAILS accreditation : String 1 -- Accreditation of translator, usually a national translator?s association id author : HashString,String 1 -- Translator name and other demographic details Only one translator is available. The easiest change would be to make author repeatable, but accreditation (which seems to be somewhat detached from the author anyway) would need to be changed then as well - is accreditation that important that it couldn't be captured as part of the author Hash or what is the reason for having it separate? The other problem we have is with other_contributors not sticking to the same format (i.e. we only have a list of contributors without more formal metadata): RESOURCE_DESCRIPTION original_author : HashString,String 1 -- Original author of this resource, with all relevant details, including organisation. other_contributors : ListString 0..1 -- Other contributors to the resource, probably listed in ?name ? form. I think I understand why it is modelled as it is, but why not allow other_contributors to be 0..* HashString,String ? Maybe, we need to look into formalising what an author/translator is a bit more in the model? Are there any suggestions for a better model of this? Or something from DCM or CDA or others on which we could base such a model to be compatible with? Regards Sebastian
