Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form
Richard, I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be chapters/branches etc formed later. The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to the community. I did not think that my intention to update the community with information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of the community. Molly Richard Schilling wrote: Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and choose the base to be anywhere. Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just representing FOSS industry interests? Depending on the answer to that here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now: Trade association — Definition. trade associations don't do business but exist to exert influence on a market. This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA if the organization does not intend to own things like copyrighted software. Gets around the international intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA as well. Trade association, as that term is used here means a membership organization of persons engaging in a similar or related line of commerce, organized to promote and improve business conditions in that line of commerce and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit and for which no part of net earnings inures to the benefit of any member. Non-Profit Corporation - Definition. Non-Profit Corporations conduct business (e.g. provide products and services) and can also have an influencing effect. A nonprofit corporation is an organization formed as a corporation for purposes other than generating a profit, and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its directors or officers. Nonprofits are formed pursuant to state law, often under the Revised Model Non-Profit Corporation Act (1986). A nonprofit can be a church or church association, school, charity, medical provider, legal aid society, volunteer service organization, professional association, research institute, museum, or in some cases a sports association. Being formed with the state as a nonprofit corporation does not automatically provide an organization with tax-exempt status. Nonprofits must apply for tax-exempt status at the federal and sometimes at the state level. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
Richard Schilling wrote: OSHCA will need to be incorporated in every country it has a presence. It's a question of where you start, really. The origin of incorporation also affects how that company can behave when operating overseas. wellmaybe. We incorporated openEHR Foundation in the UK only, mainly for reasons of convenience. That was some years ago; we haven't needed to incorporate anywhere. Is OSHCA going to be opening offices for trading around the world? - thomas Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
Brian Bray wrote: Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every sense of the word) I've received from many others. Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to keep this incredible community conversation going. I have no intention of fixing the old list. Having two lists is confusing and creates the appearance of division where none exists. Accordingly, I'll be closing down the openhealth mailing list on the minoru site in about a week. Are there any archives of the old list which need to be preserved for posterity? Are they all available elsewhere? If not, I am sure Horst herb would be happy to host teh archives on his servers. Tim C Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
Dr Molly Cheah wrote: Is OSCHA a religious organization or an independent world-wide technological organization accessible to everyone regardless of religious conviction? (Tim, you're not making any sense with your star and crescent comment). I think Tim was just being cheeky :). Yes, just stirring the pot... sorry, it is my nature to do so. And, what I'm suggesting is that you start with a U.S. incorporation. Then incorporate elsewhere. What is below is point/counter-point. And, it's not talking about suitability based on religion, the people or any other facet other than legal. But why start of with a US incorporation? Past discussions clearly indicate that the membership do not want a US dominated OSHCA. So, let me boil this down to simple terms: 1. Legal protections: U.S. incorporation means that as a U.S. company, OSHCA has the same rights as an individual. Intellectual property rights and agreements are upheld. In other countries, especially ones with new regimes, this might not be the case. U.S. subsidiaries running in non-U.S. countries would work just fine and be stabilized by the U.S. based parent. I don't agree that US incorporation offers more legal protection than Malaysia which are also signatories to International Conventions and legal frameworks and taking them seriously. Under the law OSHCA will be a legal entity with rights to all provisions under the relevent acts. Incidently Malaysia is not a new regime and we got our independence from the British in 1957. Before that we were colonized by the Portugese, then the Dutch and then the British. Stabilized by US based parent? How so? 2. Repatriation of capital: As OSCHA earns fees, receives donations, pays taxes, etc... it's much more straightforward in the U.S. I believe. The tax burden on a non-profit like OSHCA would be minimal or non-existent. I plan to apply for tax-exempt status, in addition to the non-profit status which will automatically be given. That means that donors to OSHCA do not pay taxation on their donations to OSHCA and OSHCA does not have to pay tax on the donations received. There is no control on the repatriation of monies earned in Malaysia. 3. Political stability: In politically less-stable countries (e.g. Malaysia, Taiwan, Mexico, South Africa, Haiti, etc..) when regimes change so does the law - you can find your corporation and all its assets suddenly owned by someone else. I didn't know that Malaysia is politically unstable and I don't know of any assets that had been suddenly owned by someone else. But I'm amazed by your perceptions of Malaysia. I would be happy to play host and invite you to come and see Malaysia. If anything, the political system in Malaysia might be a little bit too stable... Um, no. 4. Government funding: incorporating in a country because it looks like there's government funding is a bad idea. You need a much harder offer than that. What are the incentive programs, specifically that the other government offers? Who, specifically in the government, is offering them? I've not mentioned about Govt funding. I did say that it would be easier to get funding for OSHCA activities from the likes of organisations like UNDP, IDRC, CIDA, SIDA etc. Maybe I failed to market or hard sell Malaysia for our purpose. As for incentive programmes and other Govt offers, it is obvious that you are not aware of the Malaysian Govt's Policy on Open Source, incentives related to ICT companies and projects. There are too many to enumerate here. I did a google search on Malaysia's incentives for ICT and they're all there. However, after all these efforts I wonder if the members of OSHCA are capable to make a difference to push the open source agenda in health care especially in the developing world. I must quality that this is my main interest - the developing world that needs help. I think it is fair to say that Molly has comprehensively demolished Richard's arguments and hopefully dispelled a little of Richard's ignorance about Malaysia (and the world in general beyond the US). Richard, feel free to incorporate whatever organisation that you like in the US, as long as you don't call it OSHCA, because that name and meme has been well and truly claimed by a long-standing international group of like-minded people who are now about to embark on a second (and certain to be successful this time) attempt at incorporation - in Malaysia in the first instances, through the good offices of Molly, and elsewhere if and when the need arises. But baby steps first: incorporate in Malaysia. Please proceed as planned, Molly. Tim C Molly Cheah wrote: I was born in Malaysia and lived through the period where we obtained independance from the British and from whom our legal framework was adopted. Just wondering what are the concerns of Richard and David on the legal
Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form
The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear indication that they've undermined themselves. Richard Molly Cheah wrote: Richard, I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be chapters/branches etc formed later. The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to the community. I did not think that my intention to update the community with information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of the community. Molly Richard Schilling wrote: Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and choose the base to be anywhere. Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just representing FOSS industry interests? Depending on the answer to that here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now: Trade association — Definition. trade associations don't do business but exist to exert influence on a market. This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA if the organization does not intend to own things like copyrighted software. Gets around the international intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA as well. Trade association, as that term is used here means a membership organization of persons engaging in a similar or related line of commerce, organized to promote and improve business conditions in that line of commerce and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit and for which no part of net earnings inures to the benefit of any member. Non-Profit Corporation - Definition. Non-Profit Corporations conduct business (e.g. provide products and services) and can also have an influencing effect. A nonprofit corporation is an organization formed as a corporation for purposes other than generating a profit, and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its directors or officers. Nonprofits are formed pursuant to state law, often under the Revised Model Non-Profit Corporation Act (1986). A nonprofit can be a church or church association, school, charity, medical provider, legal aid society, volunteer service organization, professional association, research institute, museum, or in some cases a sports association. Being formed with the state as a nonprofit corporation does not automatically provide an organization with tax-exempt status. Nonprofits must apply for tax-exempt status at the federal and sometimes at the state level. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
David Forslund wrote: Molly, Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings towards the US which are present and growing in many countries around the world. Whether this antipathy towards the US is justified depends a great deal on one's standpoint - and I don't think we should debate it here - but it definitely exists and is remarkably pervasive - in some countries it is the dominant attitude, in others, it is present in a sizeable minority of the population. Given these attitudes to the US, incorporation of an international organisation in the US may be perceived negatively by some would-be participants in OSHCA, and certainly by many potential funding or collaborating bodies, such as the WSIS. Thus it *is* a practical consideration. I did not hear an answer to my question about the possible necessity of incorporating OSHCA in multiple countries. Yes, that may be necessary, but OSHCA should cross that bridge if and when it comes to it. There is no need for immediate, simultaneous incorporation in many countries in the first instance. If the need for incorporation elsewhere becomes apparent, then the necessary steps can be taken. But let OSHCA walk before forcing it to run a cross-country race. I didn't understand Tim C.'s comment about there not being freedom of political expression in Malaysia. I was alluding to the case of Anwar Ibrahim - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim - amongst others. But that was a while ago now, and Mahathir has retired. This happens in many democracies from time to time - see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mccarthyism How does that fit with a form of democracy? I just read this week in a Australian paper about a government official threatening to jail non-Muslims if they were perceived as insulting Islam. These types of things concern me if an international body is to be organized in such a country. Perhaps this information is totally erroneous? Such things are often misreported. However, OSHCA is unlikely to ever make insulting comments about Islam or any other religion for that matter. In fact, the only religious topics which might be discussed are emacs vs vi or Java vs Python or Ruby. Thus I can't see why such things are of concern with respect to where OSHCA is incorporated. Note that incorporation of OSHCA in Malaysia or anywhere else has no impact on your freedom of speech as an individual, even if you are also a member of OSHCA. Tim C Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form
It is obvious you had not been around the community and don't know what you're talking about. The idea to ressurrect OSHCA was mooted in November 2005 just before the WSIS in Tunis. This protem committee was formed earlier this month and announced to the community on 28/3/2006 in my e-mail titled Important annoucement and oshca update. The mandate to ressurrect OSHCA was given in January 2006. Molly Richard Schilling wrote: The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear indication that they've undermined themselves. Richard Molly Cheah wrote: Richard, I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be chapters/branches etc formed later. The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to the community. I did not think that my intention to update the community with information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of the community. Molly Richard Schilling wrote: Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and choose the base to be anywhere. Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just representing FOSS industry interests? Depending on the answer to that here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now: Trade association — Definition. trade associations don't do business but exist to exert influence on a market. This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA if the organization does not intend to own things like copyrighted software. Gets around the international intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA as well. Trade association, as that term is used here means a membership organization of persons engaging in a similar or related line of commerce, organized to promote and improve business conditions in that line of commerce and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit and for which no part of net earnings inures to the benefit of any member. Non-Profit Corporation - Definition. Non-Profit Corporations conduct business (e.g. provide products and services) and can also have an influencing effect. A nonprofit corporation is an organization formed as a corporation for purposes other than generating a profit, and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its directors or officers. Nonprofits are formed pursuant to state law, often under the Revised Model Non-Profit Corporation Act (1986). A nonprofit can be a church or church association, school, charity, medical provider, legal aid society, volunteer service organization, professional association, research institute, museum, or in some cases a sports association. Being formed with the state as a nonprofit corporation does not automatically provide an organization with tax-exempt status. Nonprofits must apply for tax-exempt status at the federal and sometimes at the state level. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form
Richard Schilling wrote: The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear indication that they've undermined themselves. No, Richard. There have been two, quite distinct pro tempore OSHCA committees. The first one, of which I was a member, was working towards incorporation of OSHCA in Canada, then Australia, then Canada again, over the course of about 18 months or two years. Various people, whom I shall not name, started to complain (probably with some justification) about the slow progress (for part of which I was responsible), and others began to see conspiracies and dictatorial tendencies in the way OSHCA was being organised. Suffice to say that the barrage of criticism resulted in a large proportion of the first pro temporore organising committee resigning. Nothing then happened for at least a year, perhaps 18 months - there was no further discussion of OSHCA or its incorporation. Then Molly, to her immense credit, decided to start afresh - and that was only a month or two ago. So things are moving pretty quickly for a disparate, international group of people in different time zones and communicating only by email. Tim C Molly Cheah wrote: Richard, I would appreciate it if you allow the protem committee to make the decisions on OSHCA since the community has given us the mandate to resurrect OSHCA. Otherwise I feel that you're undermining our efforts. I don't understand why suddenly you're in such a hurry. Like many others, Tim Cook, Bhaskar etc had expressed earlier there can be chapters/branches etc formed later. The discussions and sentiments expressed here will certainly be taken into consideration by the protem committee. I would like to appeal to you not to complicate the matter further otherwise your intentions may be misconstrued. Please let me complete my job and my responsibility to the community. I did not think that my intention to update the community with information would lead to a kind of upstaging the protem committee's efforts. If you proceed to register OSHCA it will be tantamount to acting in bad faith, as I had been negotiating with Brian on behalf of the community. Molly Richard Schilling wrote: Since OSCHA is an internationl body we can register siultaneously, and choose the base to be anywhere. Is the incorporation in Malaysia going to be doing business or just representing FOSS industry interests? Depending on the answer to that here are our choices here in the U.S. that I can pursue now: Trade association — Definition. trade associations don't do business but exist to exert influence on a market. This seems to me the best fit for OSCHA if the organization does not intend to own things like copyrighted software. Gets around the international intellectual property issues on software for OSCHA as well. Trade association, as that term is used here means a membership organization of persons engaging in a similar or related line of commerce, organized to promote and improve business conditions in that line of commerce and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit and for which no part of net earnings inures to the benefit of any member. Non-Profit Corporation - Definition. Non-Profit Corporations conduct business (e.g. provide products and services) and can also have an influencing effect. A nonprofit corporation is an organization formed as a corporation for purposes other than generating a profit, and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its directors or officers. Nonprofits are formed pursuant to state law, often under the Revised Model Non-Profit Corporation Act (1986). A nonprofit can be a church or church association, school, charity, medical provider, legal aid society, volunteer service organization, professional association, research institute, museum, or in some cases a sports association. Being formed with the state as a nonprofit corporation does not automatically provide an organization with tax-exempt status. Nonprofits must apply for tax-exempt status at the federal and sometimes at the state level. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
Will -- Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails in the Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB. How big would an archive be? -- Bhaskar On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote: bhaskar, do you think the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive will be too large to post as a file at yahoogroups openhealth [wr] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: next steps. (was Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update)
On Mar 28, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Richard Schilling wrote: I'm simply saying I'll do the work and give OSCHA a physical presence here, as long as I know there will be people there to sign up. I don't want to establish a U.S. presence for OSCHA that has no interest. Building up an OSCHA presence in the U.S. that spans political and international boundaries is vital. Richard, I don't see a need for a formal national OSCHA entity in the USA. I think now is a time to allow Molly and the other initiators to focus on a successful relaunch of the international effort that is OSCHA. I intend to let them get the international effort stable, and to assist as needed. [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.272.7255 [voice] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
Tim.Churches wrote: David Forslund wrote: Molly, Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings towards the US which are present and growing in many countries around the world. Whether this antipathy towards the US is justified depends a great deal on one's standpoint - and I don't think we should debate it here - but it definitely exists and is remarkably pervasive - in some countries it is the dominant attitude, in others, it is present in a sizeable minority of the population. Come on everyone, we need action not endless debate... There are some relatively simple things to be done, someone who currently has the energy and wherewithall to do it (Molly); we should be looking at the least pain route to getting the organisation going (which as far as I can tell is: set it up in Malaysia, in the first instance). We can't base that thinking on the complexities of geopolitics (and I am the first to agree that the world situation is a concern of the first order)... However, OSHCA has a much more focussed agenda, a reasonably clear mission, and we need to be thinking about what comes after the organisation is running (hopefully a matter of weeks, not years!), not obsessing about where it should be incorporated, or the relative evils of Malaysian injustices v US injustices. The latter may be relevant to how we live our lives, but I really doubt that it has any practical impact on just getting the horse called OSCHA out the gate. Our main strengths are the individuals here, not the countries they come from. Many of us here have worked in some kind of advocate or champion mode in the e-Health arena; Molly is doing this right now - what she doesn't need is more obstacles and buts from the debating gallery; she needs support and resources. - thomas beale Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[openhealth] Names not related to Spinal Tap or anything like that...
humor alert Names Survey - - - - - - - - Please select the band name most consistent with the dignity of an alliance of professional open source health care software informaticists. [1] Molly and the Protems [2] Molly and the Second Coming [3] Molly and the Malaysians [4] Dr. Cheah's Traveling Medicine Show [5] The Protems [6] Molly and the Initiators [7] The Informatic People [8] The Antiproprietarians [9] The Fossies [10] The Flossies etc. /humor alert [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.272.7255 [voice] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update
Thomas Beale wrote: Tim.Churches wrote: David Forslund wrote: Molly, Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings towards the US which are present and growing in many countries around the world. Whether this antipathy towards the US is justified depends a great deal on one's standpoint - and I don't think we should debate it here - but it definitely exists and is remarkably pervasive - in some countries it is the dominant attitude, in others, it is present in a sizeable minority of the population. Come on everyone, we need action not endless debate... There are some relatively simple things to be done, someone who currently has the energy and wherewithall to do it (Molly); we should be looking at the least pain route to getting the organisation going (which as far as I can tell is: set it up in Malaysia, in the first instance). We can't base that thinking on the complexities of geopolitics (and I am the first to agree that the world situation is a concern of the first order)... Thomas, I think that it important to discuss this issue (where OSHCA is to be incorporated in the first instance), up to a point. I don't think that the debate that has occurred has delayed Molly's work on incorporation - it is, to use a much abused term, orthogonal to that. Also, OSHCA will, as an advocacy group with international scope, need to interact with many different organisations, and here geo[socio]political considerations do play a part. Far from merely being a convenient and relatively cheap location to do business, incorporation of OSHCA in Malaysia sends strong, positive signals to a wide range of people and organisations in a way that incorporation in the US, Australia, Canada, or the EU would not. The fact is that there is genuine concern in many countries about US (and to a lesser but real extent, EU) cultural, economic and technological (and, um, military) hegemony, influence or encroachment. Thus there are strong benefits in OSHCA, as an international organisation, having its incorporated base in Malaysia, which: a) is a developing/transitional country: b) has a long history of and reputation for non-alignment; c) has a reputation for promoting and fostering the use and development of technology, especially information technology, as a means of accelerating appropriate economic and social development; d) is a secular, religiously-tolerant and -moderate state which has an association with the Islamic faith. Some or all of these these attributes are likely to matter to the people with whom OSHCA wishes to engage (or ought to wish to engage) in developing and transitional countries. Wayne is absolutely correct: the main game for free open source health software is in the poorer majority of the world. In rich, developed countries, open source software in health is important, but realistically it is not going to become the dominant source of deployed health information systems in those countries in the next decade or two. But that is not the case in developing and transitional countries, where FLOSS has the real potential to become a or the major provider of health informatics infrastructure and systems. So, Malaysia does matter, but yes, let's let Molly get on with it. However, OSHCA has a much more focussed agenda, a reasonably clear mission, and we need to be thinking about what comes after the organisation is running (hopefully a matter of weeks, not years!), not obsessing about where it should be incorporated, or the relative evils of Malaysian injustices v US injustices. I think the point that I was attempting to make is that no country is beyond criticism in some important respect, and thus there is no perfect home base for OSHCA. The latter may be relevant to how we live our lives, but I really doubt that it has any practical impact on just getting the horse called OSCHA out the gate. I disagree - as expounded above, I feel that place of incorporation will have a bearing on teh success of OSHCA as an international adovocy body for FLOSS in health. Our main strengths are the individuals here, not the countries they come from. Sure, but external perceptions of OSHCA will not primarily based on the personal characteristics of its members or Board. Perceptions will be based on published documents and statements of principal, on the countries of origin of its Board/steering committee and its members (hence the desire to have one Board member of steering committee member from each continent/region), and on the location of its home base. Many of us here have worked in some kind of advocate or champion mode in the e-Health arena; Molly is doing this right now - what she doesn't need is more obstacles and buts from the debating gallery; she needs support and resources. Yup. And for many, many reasons, Molly is the perfect person to taking the running and
Re: [openhealth] OSHCA web portal.
On a techie note, CivicSpace or some combination of Drupal and modules may be useful. CivicSpace is geared to support this type of web portal. It still takes futzing with, but comes with a lot of functionality built in. My biggest complaint is it doesn't work with PHP 5 yet. http://civicspacelabs.org/home/ 2. I can help with via free oshca.org hosting and building. 3. has been done many times and suffers from maintenance issues because it is tedious to do over many years and people do not update their own project information much even if empowered to do so. 4. and 5. I can provide the web resources to do it: Zope/Plone, MySQL, Postgres but do not wish to actually do it myself. However, since it would be a collaborative website from the get go, someone else can do it without difficulty. -- IV 2. Maintain OSHCA web-portal 3. Maintain database of open source health care softwares 4. Maintain database of open source programmers 5. Maintain database of individuals, non-profits and commercial enterprises supporting and maintaining open source health care softwares Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
I checked mailarchive.com and it is still operational...but don't know how far back it goes. Joseph Brian Bray wrote: There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format. Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to be in place to prevent mining and spam. The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know, continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites, but I'm not sure if they are still operational. I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if there is a need for older messages. -Brian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list
Brian, In not underestimating the importance of the Minoru mail archives, can these be saved into a hard disk (40 or 80 G), since this is too big for the yahoo archive limit? I already have some pledges of financial support privately from some members and we can afford to purchase this harddisk :). In the context of the overall planning for OSHCA's role in open source in health care vis-a-vis the MDGs, I've already communicated with the relevant UN agencies to request for support for OSHCA and its activities. There shouldn't be any problem getting this support since our vision and mission meet some of the WSIS agenda and commitments, besides being based in a developing country. We can discuss offline the details of costs etc. Rgds, Molly Brian Bray wrote: There have been 12928 messages. At a rough guess, this would consume most of the storage capacity at Yahoo to have in a searchable format. Some form of protection for email addresses in the archive would need to be in place to prevent mining and spam. The existing archive at mail-archive.com will, as far as I know, continue to exist at least until the archive limit date. It goes back a couple of years. The list was also archived at two or three other sites, but I'm not sure if they are still operational. I suggest that we use the existing archive for the time being and see if there is a need for older messages. -Brian Will Ross wrote: Brian, How large is the mail archive of [EMAIL PROTECTED] [wr] - - - - - - - - On Mar 29, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bhaskar, KS wrote: Will -- Any member of the list can post a compressed archive of the mails in the Files area of http://yahoogroups.com/group/openhealth (in a non-proprietary format, of course!), but we have a limit of 20MB. How big would an archive be? -- Bhaskar On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 06:42 -0600, Will Ross wrote: bhaskar, do you think the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive will be too large to post as a file at yahoogroups openhealth [wr] Yahoo! Groups Links [wr] - - - - - - - - will ross project manager mendocino informatics 216 west perkins street, suite 206 ukiah, california 95482 usa 707.272.7255 [voice] 707.462.5015 [fax] www.minformatics.com - - - - - - - - Getting people to adopt common standards is impeded by patents. Sir Tim Berners-Lee - - - - - - - - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group openhealth http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form
I think what Will, Molly, Tim and others are suggesting is that we allow Molly to register the organization were it is most convient for her, (since she has been the one pushing for this) and then allowing the organization itself to consider registering or not registering OSHCA in other places on an as needed basis. I see no reason why OSHCA cannot change its registration or duplicate it registration much later in the process. Frankly as an organization OSCHA will have lots to do before duplicating the structure of the organization becomes important. Ultimatley it is important to support those people who are working to get OSCHA off the ground. Let them decide when and if to register in the US, France, Canada or anywhere else. If you want to have influense on that decision, then consider running for a position in OSCHA when the time comes for that. That is really the appropriate way to get what you want. In the mean time, the best way to hedge your bets for winning such an election is to be as helpful to the process as possible. Please note that one helpful thing to do in processes like this is simply to listen silently until they ask for specific help... -FT -- Fred Trotter SynSeer, Consultant http://www.fredtrotter.com http://www.synseer.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[openhealth] Geneva Forum - Towards Global Access to Health
*GENEVA** FORUM - TOWARDS GLOBAL ACCESS TO HEALTH - * *August 30- September 1st, 2006* *International Conference Centre of Geneva, Switzerland* Website: website: http://www.hcuge.ch/genevahealthforum THEMES: Access to health systems, Access to drugs, vaccines diagnosis, Research training, Communication and new technologies, International mobility and Health, Humanitarian crisis and development, Civil society and community based initiatives On the occasion of the 150e anniversary of Geneva Hospital,the Geneva University Hospitals and the Faculty of Medicine of the University of Geneva organize jointly an international Forum entitled Towards Global Access to Health in partnership with the major national and international organizations of the health sector (including WHO, ICRC, The Global Fund, GAVI, Global Forum for Health research) and with the support of the Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation and the city of Geneva. The Geneva Forum will provide a unique opportunity of an independent approach for all participants to explore and suggest innovative initiatives to improve access to health and care. It should lead to a joint effort from all international organizations active in health and humanitarian fields located in Geneva as well as representatives of the civil society. This Forum will consist of six plenary sessions, and several debates, symposia, workshops, free communications and an exhibition space. Five main tracks have been identified for the symposia and the workshops: I.Health systems and access, II. Health and inequalities III. Drugs, vaccines and diagnostics, IV. Civil society and social issues in health V. Capacity building and partnerships ABSTRACT SUBMISSION: http://www.hcuge.ch/genevahealthforum/GeneralInstructions.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
