Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on Dell R710 II

2019-11-04 Thread Andreas Wacknitz 


Am 05.11.2019 um 00:24 schrieb Tim Mooney:

In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails
on...:


Granted my usage is light. I’ve had a pair of R710s in my home for about
3 years. One as the household server and the other for experimenting.
I’ve also got an R210 running pfsense with an Enterprise iDRAC. I’ve
probably booted off Virtual CD dozens of times with a variety of stuff -
solaris, freebsd, linux, pfsense, etc, etc - and never had any issue
until now. Which suggests to me that it's something with the OpenIndiana
distribution.


It does certainly sound that way.  You've also used the virtual CD option
in iDRAC a lot more than I have, so I might have just been unlucky.  The
HTML5 interface is also much newer and probably has different issues than
the Java-based one.  Using the Java-based virtual console has become more
and more difficult in my work environment, so we've made a conscious
effort to use the HTML5 interface whenever possible.


I’m no expert on iso boot images but it seems odd that minimal works and
text and gui don’t.


Agreed.  If I can find some time, I may do some testing with our R720s
or R730s, to see if I have the same experience.


My servers are on a different floor in my home so its not convenient to
use physical media.


Understood.

Tim


To give some other data points: I am using virtual media for booting on
several
HP DL360/380 G7 and Gen8 (iLO 3/4) systems and on Fujitsu RX300 S7 and
TX140 S2 (iRMC 3/4)
without any problems for several years now.

Regards,
Andreas


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on Dell R710 II

2019-11-04 Thread Tim Mooney 

In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on...:


Granted my usage is light. I’ve had a pair of R710s in my home for about
3 years. One as the household server and the other for experimenting.
I’ve also got an R210 running pfsense with an Enterprise iDRAC. I’ve
probably booted off Virtual CD dozens of times with a variety of stuff -
solaris, freebsd, linux, pfsense, etc, etc - and never had any issue
until now. Which suggests to me that it's something with the OpenIndiana
distribution.


It does certainly sound that way.  You've also used the virtual CD option
in iDRAC a lot more than I have, so I might have just been unlucky.  The
HTML5 interface is also much newer and probably has different issues than
the Java-based one.  Using the Java-based virtual console has become more
and more difficult in my work environment, so we've made a conscious
effort to use the HTML5 interface whenever possible.


I’m no expert on iso boot images but it seems odd that minimal works and
text and gui don’t.


Agreed.  If I can find some time, I may do some testing with our R720s
or R730s, to see if I have the same experience.


My servers are on a different floor in my home so its not convenient to
use physical media.


Understood.

Tim
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Jedi Tek'Unum 
On Nov 3, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Chris Game  wrote:
> 
> There are a LOT of lines of output, the last few are:
> Hostname: openindiana
> REmounting root read/write
> Probing for device nodes
> Preparing Live image for use
> REquesting System Maintenance Mode

Interesting this is exactly what I see when I convert the gui iso to usb using 
the conversion process mentioned in the parallel thread 
(https://blog.tinned-software.net/create-bootable-usb-stick-from-iso-in-mac-os-x/
 
).
 I know that process general works as I’ve used it before.

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on Dell R710 II

2019-11-04 Thread Jedi Tek'Unum 
> On Nov 4, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Tim Mooney  wrote:
> 
> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on...:
> 
>> iDRAC is Dell’s remote management system; I have the full-featured 
>> Enterprise version. KVM. Also has Virtual CD.
>> 
>> ISO files are mounted in the app (Java based running on MacOS in my case) 
>> which is provided to the system remotely. At BIOS boot I’m selecting Virtual 
>> CD.
>> 
>> Although I’ve never had a problem, Tim commented that sometimes Dell’s
>> virtual cd doesn’t always work. Thus I could try a physical DVD.
> 
> The 710s where I work only have the limited iDRAC express, which is why I
> didn't have a way to test what you were trying.  We're down to only having
> a couple R710s left, and those are unfortunately way behind on firmware,
> so testing with them probably wouldn't be useful.
> 
> Our R720s/R730s/RX40s all have iDRAC enterprise.  It has been ages since
> I've successfully used the Java-based virtual CD, but I just tried the
> HTML5-based virtual CD (with latest iDRAC version) a couple weeks ago.
> I had various boot issues with the bootable ISO from the Dell Update
> Utility (DUU).  Once I used a physical DVD, those issues went away.
> That's just 1 datapoint, but the virtual CD interface through iDRAC has
> always seemed a bit more finicky than physical media.  It's great when
> it works, though.

Granted my usage is light. I’ve had a pair of R710s in my home for about 3 
years. One as the household server and the other for experimenting. I’ve also 
got an R210 running pfsense with an Enterprise iDRAC. I’ve probably booted off 
Virtual CD dozens of times with a variety of stuff - solaris, freebsd, linux, 
pfsense, etc, etc - and never had any issue until now. Which suggests to me 
that it's something with the OpenIndiana distribution.

I’m no expert on iso boot images but it seems odd that minimal works and text 
and gui don’t.

My servers are on a different floor in my home so its not convenient to use 
physical media.


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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Tim Mooney 

In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB, Till Wegmüller...:


Yes I was referring to windows as host and OI as guest. For the Guest it
should be a normal USB device.


That was my confusion, sorry.  I was so focused on "OI" that I forgot
to even consider VirtualBox hosted on a non-OI platform.  :-|

What you were actually suggesting should indeed work, and is a great
suggestion for something to try.

Sorry for adding my confusion to the thread...

Tim
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Till Wegmüller 
Yes I was referring to windows as host and OI as guest. For the Guest it
should be a normal USB device.

Greetings
Till

On 04.11.19 22:30, Michal Nowak wrote:
> On 11/04/19 09:17 PM, Tim Mooney wrote:
>> In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB, Till
>> Wegmüller...:
>>
>>> Can you use Virtualbox? If so you could boot the ISO as a VM and use USB
>>> forwarding to dd the image via the VM to the USB.
>>
>> Does that actually work, Till?
>>
>> Since OI switched to VirtualBox OSE and started packaging our own VB, I
>> haven't been able to get USB pass-through to work.  Others have reported
>> the same problem, I know there is (was?) a ticket about the issue in the
>> bug tracker.
>>
>> Unless it has been fixed recently, and I'm just out of the loop...
>>
>> Tim
> 
> https://www.illumos.org/issues/10855
> 
> USB pass-through does not work on OpenIndiana VirtualBox. (And we don't
> even know, why it does not work...) But, presumably, it works on other
> supported hosts (Linux, Windows, ...) and for the `dd` operation does
> not even need OpenIndiana guest, any UNIX guest should suffice.
> 
> Michal
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Michal Nowak 

On 11/04/19 09:17 PM, Tim Mooney wrote:
In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB, Till 
Wegmüller...:



Can you use Virtualbox? If so you could boot the ISO as a VM and use USB
forwarding to dd the image via the VM to the USB.


Does that actually work, Till?

Since OI switched to VirtualBox OSE and started packaging our own VB, I
haven't been able to get USB pass-through to work.  Others have reported
the same problem, I know there is (was?) a ticket about the issue in the
bug tracker.

Unless it has been fixed recently, and I'm just out of the loop...

Tim


https://www.illumos.org/issues/10855

USB pass-through does not work on OpenIndiana VirtualBox. (And we don't 
even know, why it does not work...) But, presumably, it works on other 
supported hosts (Linux, Windows, ...) and for the `dd` operation does 
not even need OpenIndiana guest, any UNIX guest should suffice.


Michal

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Tim Mooney 

In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB, Till Wegmüller...:


Can you use Virtualbox? If so you could boot the ISO as a VM and use USB
forwarding to dd the image via the VM to the USB.


Does that actually work, Till?

Since OI switched to VirtualBox OSE and started packaging our own VB, I
haven't been able to get USB pass-through to work.  Others have reported
the same problem, I know there is (was?) a ticket about the issue in the
bug tracker.

Unless it has been fixed recently, and I'm just out of the loop...

Tim
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on Dell R710 II

2019-11-04 Thread Tim Mooney 

In regard to: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 20190511 gui/text boot fails on...:


iDRAC is Dell’s remote management system; I have the full-featured Enterprise 
version. KVM. Also has Virtual CD.

ISO files are mounted in the app (Java based running on MacOS in my case) which 
is provided to the system remotely. At BIOS boot I’m selecting Virtual CD.

Although I’ve never had a problem, Tim commented that sometimes Dell’s
virtual cd doesn’t always work. Thus I could try a physical DVD.


The 710s where I work only have the limited iDRAC express, which is why I
didn't have a way to test what you were trying.  We're down to only having
a couple R710s left, and those are unfortunately way behind on firmware,
so testing with them probably wouldn't be useful.

Our R720s/R730s/RX40s all have iDRAC enterprise.  It has been ages since
I've successfully used the Java-based virtual CD, but I just tried the
HTML5-based virtual CD (with latest iDRAC version) a couple weeks ago.
I had various boot issues with the bootable ISO from the Dell Update
Utility (DUU).  Once I used a physical DVD, those issues went away.
That's just 1 datapoint, but the virtual CD interface through iDRAC has
always seemed a bit more finicky than physical media.  It's great when
it works, though.

Tim
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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Till Wegmüller 

On 04.11.19 12:41, Chris Game wrote:
> Interestingly the DVD fails to boot in the same way when I tried to
> do so on another machine here - also a Dell but a different model
> and much older. Nothing seems wrong with the iso file when I boot it
> using VirtualBox. Looking at the files using the Maintenance Mode
> account which opens after the failed boot, shows a confusing mass of
> files under /devices and links under /dev/disk, so I gave up on
> trying to manually mount files from that mode. Perhaps you can
> suggest some  way forward on that. The boot sequence shows it can
> access the files on the DVD as it loads eg loader.conf happily.

So it is the drive from the Dell servers which are somehow special...
Is it some special SAS controller? SCSI?

Yes you don't want to look with the file utilities into the disks :)
The Utilities to use are diskinfo, cfgadm and format. Simply calling
these programms without arguments shows you the disks and cfgadm shows
you the ports the OS sees.

Loader and the OS are two components. It looks like loader can access
the files through a compatibility layer but the OS does not have the
driver for that specific drive.


Greetings
Till

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Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Booting OI DVD/USB

2019-11-04 Thread Chris Game 

On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Till Wegmüller wrote:


Ah yeah something with that DVD drive does not seem to allow to mount
the live system properly.

Basicly there are one/two files inside the ISO. solaris.zlib and
solaris-misc.zlib (Ancient names from Sun times)

These need to be mounted to /usr and /opt/misc respectively if that is
not possible due to e.g. not finding the DVD drive then the live image
cannot boot.


Interestingly the DVD fails to boot in the same way when I tried to
do so on another machine here - also a Dell but a different model
and much older. Nothing seems wrong with the iso file when I boot it
using VirtualBox. Looking at the files using the Maintenance Mode
account which opens after the failed boot, shows a confusing mass of
files under /devices and links under /dev/disk, so I gave up on
trying to manually mount files from that mode. Perhaps you can
suggest some  way forward on that. The boot sequence shows it can
access the files on the DVD as it loads eg loader.conf happily.
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