Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
I supposed all you can do is file a bug report, and make the core dev's aware of it, and hope that it possibly gets fixed in a future release. Whether you want to view OpenSim as an application or a Platform or middleware or whatever word you want to describe it, the point is that I believe Len was just pointing out something that was broken. Regardless of what you want to call OpenSim, (i.e. Application, middleware, platform, etc.) the point of his post was that a feature used to work, and now it's broken. I believe his post was meant to be more of a bug report type of thing (just to make the dev's aware of the issue). I do believe pointing out bugs is extremely helpful to the project, and that trying to make the project as stable as possible should be one of the primary goals of developing (or designing) anything. I believe Len understands that it's Alpha-ware, but I believe he was just trying to be helpful by pointing out an issue that seems to be broken (in the release that he's currently using). * Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon.* I believe we all agree on that. I wasn't referring to OpenSim fully working as a whole, I was referring to a feature that was working previously (and now is broken). We understand things get broken from time to time but it's good that individuals at least point the things that are broken out, so at least the dev's are aware of them. (Although filing a bug report is probably your *best* bet at getting the issue addressed or fixed, or at least making one of the core dev's aware of the issue or increasing the likelihood that it might get fixed in a future release). http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Bugs Len, just file a detailed Mantis report concerning the issue, and let them know what version you are currently using, and just post a mantis bug report about the issue. That's the best way to point out something that is broken (and something that needs fixing). This way one of the dev's can at least look the issue over, and at least they are aware of it. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php It never hurts to file a bug report, and just point out any broken issues that you may find. It certainly increases the chances of the bug getting addressed and fixed. OpenSim has come a very long way, and things often do get broken during refactoring projects. It happens. Rome wasn't built in a day. The bugs will eventually get squashed. ;-) Mark On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Len Brown lenwbr...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, you're completely correct that it's still pre-alpha in status. I fully understand that. I didn't mean it how it came across, my expectation is definitely not one of reliable stability at this early hour in OpenSim development. I more intended to indicate that this issue with new region creation is just an issue I noticed during my testing and learning console commands. But I do occasional production-level implementation just to see how it handles things. Never doing anything I'd cry over if (when) it fails. :) - Len On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, please don't treat OpenSim as a product. OpenSim is a toolkit and a sample application and it is pre-alpha. I really don't like to see the expectation of Fully working, because OpenSim is written and rewritten at such a rapid rate that Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon. OpenSim is NOT PRODUCTION READY and anyone using it in production does so at their own risk. Melanie On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
Thanks Mark. Your response is well appreciated. I'm trying a few additional scenarios prior to filing an official bug report. For example, seeing if the issue repeats itself when using SQL Lite as opposed to MySQL, attempting teleportation into the new (invisible) region to see what errors are thrown into the log, etc. Some of these things may lead to a better understanding of how to track down the cause. - Len On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: I supposed all you can do is file a bug report, and make the core dev's aware of it, and hope that it possibly gets fixed in a future release. Whether you want to view OpenSim as an application or a Platform or middleware or whatever word you want to describe it, the point is that I believe Len was just pointing out something that was broken. Regardless of what you want to call OpenSim, (i.e. Application, middleware, platform, etc.) the point of his post was that a feature used to work, and now it's broken. I believe his post was meant to be more of a bug report type of thing (just to make the dev's aware of the issue). I do believe pointing out bugs is extremely helpful to the project, and that trying to make the project as stable as possible should be one of the primary goals of developing (or designing) anything. I believe Len understands that it's Alpha-ware, but I believe he was just trying to be helpful by pointing out an issue that seems to be broken (in the release that he's currently using). * Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon.* I believe we all agree on that. I wasn't referring to OpenSim fully working as a whole, I was referring to a feature that was working previously (and now is broken). We understand things get broken from time to time but it's good that individuals at least point the things that are broken out, so at least the dev's are aware of them. (Although filing a bug report is probably your *best* bet at getting the issue addressed or fixed, or at least making one of the core dev's aware of the issue or increasing the likelihood that it might get fixed in a future release). http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Bugs Len, just file a detailed Mantis report concerning the issue, and let them know what version you are currently using, and just post a mantis bug report about the issue. That's the best way to point out something that is broken (and something that needs fixing). This way one of the dev's can at least look the issue over, and at least they are aware of it. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php It never hurts to file a bug report, and just point out any broken issues that you may find. It certainly increases the chances of the bug getting addressed and fixed. OpenSim has come a very long way, and things often do get broken during refactoring projects. It happens. Rome wasn't built in a day. The bugs will eventually get squashed. ;-) Mark On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:03 AM, Len Brown lenwbr...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, you're completely correct that it's still pre-alpha in status. I fully understand that. I didn't mean it how it came across, my expectation is definitely not one of reliable stability at this early hour in OpenSim development. I more intended to indicate that this issue with new region creation is just an issue I noticed during my testing and learning console commands. But I do occasional production-level implementation just to see how it handles things. Never doing anything I'd cry over if (when) it fails. :) - Len On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, please don't treat OpenSim as a product. OpenSim is a toolkit and a sample application and it is pre-alpha. I really don't like to see the expectation of Fully working, because OpenSim is written and rewritten at such a rapid rate that Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon. OpenSim is NOT PRODUCTION READY and anyone using it in production does so at their own risk. Melanie On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication error keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet showing up in the map and mini-map. My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all updates applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently build. I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented bug. I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself. Thanks all! ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
* That used to work, but was broken some months ago.* Are there any plans to fix this bug? (or fix whatever has been broken?) It's extremely hard to update documentation, or write tutorials when things are constantly breaking or not working. Len, maybe wait for the latest OpenSim 0.7 RC to get released, and see if maybe the problem can be fixed (or the fixes can be added) to the OpenSim 0.7 RC release (which hopefully will be a fully working release, and hopefully 0.7 RC will be released soon). Mark On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication error keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet showing up in the map and mini-map. My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all updates applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently build. I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented bug. I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself. Thanks all! ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
Yeah, I'll keep watch and see. It's not a huge issue since a simple server reboot corrects the matter, but I can see where it will be a major headache in a more production-centric environment where new regions need to be created on the fly in standalone mode. - Len On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.comwrote: * That used to work, but was broken some months ago.* Are there any plans to fix this bug? (or fix whatever has been broken?) It's extremely hard to update documentation, or write tutorials when things are constantly breaking or not working. Len, maybe wait for the latest OpenSim 0.7 RC to get released, and see if maybe the problem can be fixed (or the fixes can be added) to the OpenSim 0.7 RC release (which hopefully will be a fully working release, and hopefully 0.7 RC will be released soon). Mark On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication error keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet showing up in the map and mini-map. My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all updates applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently build. I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented bug. I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself. Thanks all! ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- - Len W. Brown lenwbr...@gmail.com http://www.lenfocenter.com ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
Hi, please don't treat OpenSim as a product. OpenSim is a toolkit and a sample application and it is pre-alpha. I really don't like to see the expectation of Fully working, because OpenSim is written and rewritten at such a rapid rate that Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon. OpenSim is NOT PRODUCTION READY and anyone using it in production does so at their own risk. Melanie Mark Malewski wrote: * That used to work, but was broken some months ago.* Are there any plans to fix this bug? (or fix whatever has been broken?) It's extremely hard to update documentation, or write tutorials when things are constantly breaking or not working. Len, maybe wait for the latest OpenSim 0.7 RC to get released, and see if maybe the problem can be fixed (or the fixes can be added) to the OpenSim 0.7 RC release (which hopefully will be a fully working release, and hopefully 0.7 RC will be released soon). Mark On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication error keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet showing up in the map and mini-map. My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all updates applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently build. I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented bug. I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself. Thanks all! ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
Re: [Opensim-dev] New Region Console Creation Issue
Yeah, you're completely correct that it's still pre-alpha in status. I fully understand that. I didn't mean it how it came across, my expectation is definitely not one of reliable stability at this early hour in OpenSim development. I more intended to indicate that this issue with new region creation is just an issue I noticed during my testing and learning console commands. But I do occasional production-level implementation just to see how it handles things. Never doing anything I'd cry over if (when) it fails. :) - Len On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: Hi, please don't treat OpenSim as a product. OpenSim is a toolkit and a sample application and it is pre-alpha. I really don't like to see the expectation of Fully working, because OpenSim is written and rewritten at such a rapid rate that Fully working is not likely to happen anytime soon. OpenSim is NOT PRODUCTION READY and anyone using it in production does so at their own risk. Melanie Mark Malewski wrote: * That used to work, but was broken some months ago.* Are there any plans to fix this bug? (or fix whatever has been broken?) It's extremely hard to update documentation, or write tutorials when things are constantly breaking or not working. Len, maybe wait for the latest OpenSim 0.7 RC to get released, and see if maybe the problem can be fixed (or the fixes can be added) to the OpenSim 0.7 RC release (which hopefully will be a fully working release, and hopefully 0.7 RC will be released soon). Mark On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: That used to work, but was broken some months ago. Melanie Len Brown wrote: Greetings all! I recently wanted to familiarize myself better with many of the console commands and among them I tried my hand at using the console to create a new region while in-world. I came upon the following issue: I'd already created my first region, named TestRegion in the normal fashion and logged into the region and was flying around - all was normal. I then typed into the console: create region NewRegion NewRegion.ini Then followed the normal practice for naming the new region (NewRegion) and assigning it port 9001, etc. But in-world the new region did not appear. When bringing up the world map it was shown there, but not in the mini-map. I teleported to my home position (128,128 default) and then the new region appeared in the mini map, but I was still unable to fly into it - in-world it showed nothing was there. I ran the shutdown console command then restarted the OS server and when I logged in the new region was then visible in-world and I could fly into it, with everything working as expected. Is this a typical situation or something new? Previously I always had all my regions listed in a single regions.ini file and since my home region started first, I could log in and actually watch the regions around me appearing in-world. I'm guessing there's some kind of communication error keeping the new region created via console from appearing in-world, yet showing up in the map and mini-map. My Operating System for this example is Windows 7 Home Premium, all updates applied. Oh, and this is with the 0.6.8 binary release, not a currently build. I'll be pleased to file a bug report if this is indeed an undocumented bug. I could not find anything specific to this issue in the jira myself. Thanks all! ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev -- - Len W. Brown lenwbr...@gmail.com http://www.lenfocenter.com ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
