Re: [osol-discuss] Re: build 27a on x86 : panic at boot
On 11/17/05, alessioc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how did you install it? was it an upgrade or a clean install? i have had a similar problem with b24 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=2745tstart=0 This was a fresh install. I suspect that something went wrong during the install process and so what I did was, I actually burned the CDROMs and then installed from them. Which worked just fine. Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Why not to use pkgsrc package system ?
Hi An option that I believe that it has not been considered in the news distributions based on Opensolaris is to use the system of packages of called NetBSD pkgsrc. http://www.pkgsrc.org/ http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/pkgsrc/platforms.html#solaris Pkgsrc support Solaris well and use standards tools to works. The latest release support over 5657 packages. In addition one stays frees the distridución of the requirements of license GPL. Why not use it? roberto -- Ing. Roberto Pereyra Dirección de Informática Municipalidad de Gualeguaychú Entre Ríos - Argentina For reliable and professional DNS, use DNS Made Easy! http://www.dnsmadeeasy.com/u/14989 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why not to use pkgsrc package system ?
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 14:23, Roberto Pereyra wrote: Why not use it? there are people using it. As for the GPL requirement, I assume you refer to the debian based distro. It seems, they want to have a debian-style distro, and pkgsrc won't help them in any way. As for why not using pkgsrc, there are many things to consider: eg. that pkgsrc builds basically your whole userland again (at least the large chunks: yet another perl installation, yet another python, ..) patrick mauritz signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VM Image of OpenSolaris
Andy Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except for the binaries that are in Solaris Express but not part of OpenSolaris (and that aren't covered by the binary redistribution license). Bill could do this with SchilliX, or BeleniX, or Nexenta GNU/Solaris, but not with Solaris Express. (And none of the others will work for building OpenSolaris.) Sun, on the other hand, could presumably distribute an OpenSolaris development VM, and I think it would be a nice way to attract potential developers, but I may be biased (since I work for VMware). Last night, we got a bit closer to a self hosting OpenSolaris. I am planning to publish a list of missing (non redistributable) files that you need to add to SchilliX-0.3 in order to make OpenSolaris compile on Linux. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The boot -m milestone=none resulted in this : Booting to milestone none. Requesting System Maintenance Mode (See /lib/svc/share/README for more information.) Console login service(s) cannot run Root password for system maintenance (control-d to bypass): single-user privilege assigned to /dev/console. Entering System Maintenance Mode Nov 16 03:48:07 su: 'su root' succeeded for root on /dev/console -sh: /bin/i386: not found -sh: /usr/sbin/quota: not found -sh: /bin/cat: not found -sh: /bin/mail: not found /sbin/mount -m -r /usr . Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. And we've long said you shouldn't be doign that :-) Show me the doc or white paper that says so and why. Read my Usenet postings :-) But the explanation is fairly simple: you cannot recover from a number of failures (corrupt vfstab, bad /dev* links for boot device) without having /usr mounted; you cannot mount /usr when those things happen. And you cannot recover if the same happens with a big / installation either. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
But the explanation is fairly simple: you cannot recover from a number of failures (corrupt vfstab, bad /dev* links for boot device) without having /usr mounted; you cannot mount /usr when those things happen. And you cannot recover if the same happens with a big / installation either. You can, actually, rewire all of /dev if you are missing your /dev/dsk links. (Certain devices need to be present but the disk device need not be) Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
Scott N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After my initial trial with Nexenta and then finding that X was installed in non-stardard Solaris location, I have now made an effort to only support TRUE Solaris-like 'distro's' like Schillix or even better may just stick with Solaris Express for my needs (Why hasn't there been a 'distro' where I can install SE without the long 4-cd install process). If I am going to use and support Solaris, I want to be learning and using SOLARIS. Not some distro that goes off in its own direction (namely the dumb Linux direction) and then just adds the SunOS kernel. This is unnessary, Just continue to use Linux/Debian/Ubuntu/GNU then if it is SO good! All this wasted effort could be put to better use like making Blastwave better or something. Could you explain your problems with the X location? I'll probably do something similar from your view as I don't know what's important for you... Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
Please explain why you believe this. the only difference I see in your case is that you would need to find the /devices entry to mount /usr so it makes sense to have find or a name completing shell in / When you boot from a device the node does not need to be present in /dev* in order for you to remoutn it r/w so you can fix it. The tools you need to create device nodes are all in /usr. If your disk device nodes are missing you can create them *if* you have /usr. Without /usr you can't save yourself. Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain why you believe this. the only difference I see in your case is that you would need to find the /devices entry to mount /usr so it makes sense to have find or a name completing shell in / When you boot from a device the node does not need to be present in /dev* in order for you to remoutn it r/w so you can fix it. This was true before /devices was on the devfs filesystem. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SVOSUG - Tues, November 22nd - ZFS, the last word in filesystems
Ok, I know this the holiday season and some folks were wondering if there would be a meeting this month since Thanksgiving is upon us. Well, the answer is yes, the show must go on. This months meeting is very special, as it offers a perspective into a technology that offers a magnitude of possibilities of what will be done with it. ZFS, the zettabyte file system offers us a 128-bit filesystem on top of our beloved Solaris, both x86/AMD64 and SPARC. Please join our meeting this month and meet some of the ZFS team to explain to you what exactly it is that this new filesystem can do for you, and will continue to do for you into the ever so distant future. This is truely amazing technology, which has been released into the OpenSolaris community already. You can download a build of OpenSolaris which has ZFS in it from the Sun Download Center for free. Yes, you can see this technology for yourself and understand how easy it is to use. We're extremely happy to showcase ZFS to the Silicon Valley Open Solaris User Group this month, and would like to give a big round of applause to the entire ZFS team, including but not limited to: Jeff Bonwick Bill Moore Matt Ahrens Eric Schrock Lori Alt Bill Baker Rich Brown Eric Kustarz Tabriz Leman Lin Ling Mark Maybee Neil Perrin Bill Ricker Mark Shellenbaum Steve Talley And if you haven't seen Dan Price's most excellent online flash presentation for ZFS, do yourself a favor and click to your nearest opensolaris.org site and get a glimpse of it. Dan did a real kick @$$ job on this, I must say. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/demos/basics/ What: ZFS - The last word in filesystems Where: Sun Santa Clara campus auditorium (upstairs) When: Tuesday, November 22nd Time: 7:30pm - 10:00pm Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf No RSVP required, just show up! Everyone is welcome! -- Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems Solaris x86 Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
Joerg Schilling schrieb: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you boot from a device the node does not need to be present in /dev* in order for you to remoutn it r/w so you can fix it. This was true before /devices was on the devfs filesystem. But having /usr ready helps a lot. It is no fun, cd'ing into /devices, doing an echo * just to find out where your /usr might be located. You may have to write a cat replacement in sh, cannot grep into files, etc. So with devfs it should be possible to recover with a separate /usr; OTOH having a unified / /usr eases recovery a lot. Daniel ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Redistributable pkg/make/sccs binaries
I thought I should note that the packaging tools and also make(1S) and sccs(1) have been released as redistributable binaries: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/pkgtools/ http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/devpro/ Discussion of specific issues will be in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to the individuals and teams involved; we are of course still working to a source release of these components. - Stephen -- Stephen Hahn, PhD Solaris Kernel Development, Sun Microsystems [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blogs.sun.com/sch/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] how to crypt a folder?
Is there a way to crypt/decrypt a folder by using the opensolaris crypto service? (i'm talking about some crypt/decrypt system based on a symmetrical key provided by the user at mount time) This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Redistributable pkg/make/sccs binaries
On 11/17/05, Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I should note that the packaging tools and also make(1S) and sccs(1) have been released as redistributable binaries: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/pkgtools/ http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/devpro/ This is simply fantastic and thank you very very much! Dennis Clarke ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why not to use pkgsrc package system ?
On Thursday 17 November 2005 05:58 am, Patrick Mauritz wrote: As for why not using pkgsrc, there are many things to consider: eg. that pkgsrc builds basically your whole userland again (at least the large chunks: yet another perl installation, yet another python, ..) This is currently a problem with all of the distributions on Solaris/OpenSolaris. Blastwave, pkgsrc, (I suspect) gentoo, sunfreeware, etc...all build their own userland. GNU/OpenSolaris does the same in it's own way. -- Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems Solaris x86 Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] milestone none really means nothing running at all really
Daniel Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling schrieb: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you boot from a device the node does not need to be present in /dev* in order for you to remoutn it r/w so you can fix it. This was true before /devices was on the devfs filesystem. But having /usr ready helps a lot. It is no fun, cd'ing into /devices, doing an echo * just to find out where your /usr might be located. I know that it definitely works as I did manage to manually mount the SchillIX CD /usr part when I was working on SchilliX-0.1 But I was happy because /opt/schily/sfind was available on the root fs ;-) You may have to write a cat replacement in sh, cannot grep into files, etc. There should be 'shcat' Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Solaris support of USB Ethernet Adapters for external USB ports
Ethernet adapters are availalbe that plug directly into an external USB port, just like a camara or other consumer product. Does Solaris 10 or Opensolaris support such cards? The nic on the integrated chipset (nforce4) of my system is not suppport by either. thanks This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
Could you explain your problems with the X location? I'll probably do something similar from your view as I don't know what's important for you... I was frustrated that I went to /usr to try and use /user/X11/xconfigure and noticed that Nexenta had /usr/X11R6 instead PLUS xconfigure was not even there. This is not where Solaris and Solaris Express put their X as it is in /usr/X11. So right from the getgo, I felt like I was back in linux camp. I know it is probably stupid to even complain about such minor details, but to me it is important and makes things feel more polished and better. I don't understand why there has to be a difference. I want to be able to use Solaris and get comfortable with it and be able to go to Solaris Express install or a 'distro' and be able to find everything the same underneath. CONSISTENCY. Like I said many times already, this is what eventually made me ditch linux completely and eventually what brought me to Solaris10/OpenSolaris. This is how I feel when I use BSD. Whether FreeBSD, DragonflyBSD,PC-BSD, etc I have no problem knowing where everything is layed out, everything works the same and is in the same location and I feel consistent. As a user, I appreciate that immensely. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
On 11/17/05, Scott N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think that opensolaris should remain a core that Sun uses to gather enhancements from some great minds in the open source community for its Solaris flagship rather than have opensolaris available to bastardize it with countless 'distro's to fit what others have in mind of what OpenSolaris should be. And then taking their ball with them if the opensolaris community doesn't like it. This is what happened to, and continues to happen, with Linux and this is the reason I eventually came to like the bsd's so much better. The feeling of coherentsy in the BSD's fit more my philosophy and felt so much more better than the ridiculous mess of Linux. Sun opening up and making Solaris Free (source) was not for it to be 'forked' into distro hell but rather to gather help, Q/A and some momentum. With that, we all get the most advanced OS for free (price) now. Some of this is going to happen regardless, mostly because of the clash of egos. Whether GNU/Linux or the BSD OS's are more fragmented is questionable--there is just one Linux kernel source, but is Free, Open, and NetBSD all have their own sources. If you think about it, most of the compability problems in the GNU world are not due to fragmentation anyway, but rathter stuff like the kernel (2.4 vs 2.6) and glibc, and large projects like GNOME with many dependencies that will change their abi over time. After my initial trial with Nexenta and then finding that X was installed in non-stardard Solaris location, I have now made an effort to only support TRUE Solaris-like 'distro's' like Schillix or even better may just stick with Solaris Express for my needs (Why hasn't there been a 'distro' where I can install SE without the long 4-cd install process). If I am going to use and support Solaris, I want to be learning and using SOLARIS. Not some distro that goes off in its own direction (namely the dumb Linux direction) and then just adds the SunOS kernel. This is unnessary, Just continue to use Linux/Debian/Ubuntu/GNU then if it is SO good! All this wasted effort could be put to better use like making Blastwave better or something. So long as Sun remains in business you will continue to have be able to use their version of Solaris, and I suspect they will continue to implent standards like the single unix specification, etc. Solaris Express is also their thing, and changing it will have to be something they do. Not everything in there is re-distributable, so we cannot just repackage in some other way. I wouldn't make too many judgments about Nexenta at this point, since that was a pre-alpha, which may or may not reflect the first release. Whether there is one OpenSolaris distribution or 5, people are still going to end up pooling efforts on most of the coding. The differences between various Linux distributions and between the BSD's are mostly superficial, and they end up sharing lots of code anyway. Dave ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
Scott, I think /usr/X11 and missing xconfigure should be considered as a packaging bug or not-yet implemented feature. Nexenta Xorg should support 3td party drivers like recent Nvidia additions, etc. This could be easily entered as a feature request in NBTS. And someone will address it sooner or later. We are working on some of the Xorg bugs discovered during pre-Aplha1. And hopefully will fix them in Alpha1 (which is due these weekends, btw). Erast Could you explain your problems with the X location? I'll probably do something similar from your view as I don't know what's important for you... I was frustrated that I went to /usr to try and use /user/X11/xconfigure and noticed that Nexenta had /usr/X11R6 instead PLUS xconfigure was not even there. This is not where Solaris and Solaris Express put their X as it is in /usr/X11. So right from the getgo, I felt like I was back in linux camp. I know it is probably stupid to even complain about such minor details, but to me it is important and makes things feel more polished and better. I don't understand why there has to be a difference. I want to be able to use Solaris and get comfortable with it and be able to go to Solaris Express install or a 'distro' and be able to find everything the same underneath. CONSISTENCY. Like I said many times already, this is what eventually made me ditch linux completely and eventually what brought me to Solaris10/OpenSolaris. This is how I feel when I use BSD. Whether FreeBSD, DragonflyBSD,PC-BSD, etc I have no problem knowing where everything is layed out, everything works the same and is in the same location and I feel consistent. As a user, I appreciate that immensely. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
Scott N. wrote: Could you explain your problems with the X location? I'll probably do something similar from your view as I don't know what's important for you... I was frustrated that I went to /usr to try and use /user/X11/xconfigure and noticed that Nexenta had /usr/X11R6 instead We chose /usr/X11 over /usr/X11R6 for Solaris since we didn't want to have to rename when X11R7 came out.(At the time we didn't know how soon R7 would be here, but Sun's ARC process makes you think about plans for years out, not just tomorrow.) Of course, now that X11R7 is fast approaching, (RC2 out now!) many of the Linux distros plan to fix this by dumping the X11 subdirs altogether and putting it all in /usr/bin /usr/lib directly, because the FHS won't be happy until every bundled program and library is in those directories. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Alan Coopersmith wrote: and putting it all in /usr/bin /usr/lib directly, because the FHS What's FHS? -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSolaris CAB member President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-group.com/rich ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Is 'forking' inevitable here too?
Rich Teer wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Alan Coopersmith wrote: and putting it all in /usr/bin /usr/lib directly, because the FHS What's FHS? Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, part of the Linux Standards Base, and official naysayer of software-specific subdirs under /usr. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: build 27a on x86 : panic at boot
I got a similar problem. I guess you installed grub which is not able to find boot_archive. For me adding the following entry in menu.lst, for Solaris entry, resolved the issue. kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/unix module /platform/i86pc/boot_archive Regards, -Sriram This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
