Re: [osol-discuss] From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Anil verve
Hey Jerry,

If you want to give Open Solaris a try, you can try BeleniX .. http://www.belenix.org

Its a live CD and seems to fit your requirement. You can try it without
messing up the HDD and if you like it.. just run hdinstaller :) 

The .iso is 675 Mb big

Regards
AnilOn 10/3/06, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,I have linux box with Fedora Core 5.I want to install OpenSolaris and from the download page, it sayshttp://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
--If you choose to install from pre-built archives, you will need:A system installed with a suitable OpenSolaris distribution, which at this time is limited to Solaris Express: Community Release
-I am puzzled, to install OpenSolaris needs OpenSolaris running?Can't I just pop in the DVD and auto boot with CD and start installing?If not, how can I install OpenSolaris into my hardisk which does not run OpenSolaris?
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Re: [osol-discuss] From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Moinak Ghosh

Jerry wrote:

Hi,

I have linux box with Fedora Core 5. 

I want to install OpenSolaris and from the download page, it says 
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/

--
If you choose to install from pre-built archives, you will need:
A system installed with a suitable OpenSolaris distribution, which at this time 
is limited to Solaris Express: Community Release
-

I am puzzled, to install OpenSolaris needs OpenSolaris running?
Can't I just pop in the DVD and auto boot with CD and start installing?

If not, how can I install OpenSolaris into my hardisk which does not run 
OpenSolaris?
  


  Well it seems you are mixing up fresh install and building from 
source steps.
  Of course you need to install from DVD if you want to do a fresh 
install. To

  grab the Solaris Express Community Release DVD head over to:

  http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/

  In addition to fresh install from install DVD (or CD) you can build 
OpenSolaris
  from source or update your installed version of Solaris Express via 
prebuilt

  binary archives to get the latest and greatest stuff.

  More details on getting/installing the OS from DVD and building from 
source

  (if  you wish) are here:

  http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0050/index.html
  http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0056/index.html

Regards,
Moinak.
 

Thank you.
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[osol-discuss] Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (Nex

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
Hi Thanks.

Do I have to recompile packages for JDS (Gnome) everytime there is (security) 
updates? Or there is already binary package that I can just install.

In nexenta, it's done using apt-get which is very easy.

And is there roadmap for JDS, like when it will use Gnome 2.16?

Kind Regards,
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[osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
Hi,

When you say that there is procedure to compile NON DEBUG. Does it mean that 
the distribution of Solaris Express Comunity Edition is DEBUG version? And 
likewise, the Solaris Express from SUN website is DEBUG version too?

How slow is DEBUG version compared to NON-DEBUG? I mean is it noticeable in 
Front end apps (GUI, opening apps, etc.) and back end (database search, etc.)  
or is it negligible?

Btw, is there online updates that downloads only binary updates?

Thanks
Kind Regards,
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (Nex

2006-10-03 Thread James C. McPherson

Jerry wrote:

Do I have to recompile packages for JDS (Gnome) everytime there is
(security) updates? Or there is already binary package that I can just
install.


no you don't. You need to pull down the latest vermillion release from

http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads


In nexenta, it's done using apt-get which is very easy.


yes, yes ... it's different.


And is there roadmap for JDS, like when it will use Gnome 2.16?


Yes there is, you could have found that by looking in the archives.
As it happens, the *initial* plan was to integrate 2.16 into nevada
build 50, though this seems to have slipped and build 52 is now
more likely.


cheer,s
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Casper . Dik

Hi,

When you say that there is procedure to compile NON DEBUG. Does it mean that 
the distribution of Solaris Express Comunity Edition is DEBUG version? And 
likewise, the Solaris Express from SUN website is DEBUG version too?


Yes for the first, no for the second.

How slow is DEBUG version compared to NON-DEBUG? I mean is it noticeable in 
Front end apps (GUI, opening apps, etc.) and back end (database search, etc.)  
or is it negligible?

Slow because of kernel memory debugging.

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[osol-discuss] Cross Compile OpenSolaris in Linux?

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
This may sound crazy, building OpenSolaris in Linux host, by bootstrapping the 
compiler (Sun compiler?) and use the produced compiler and other necessary 
package to compile the OS. Has anyone done that? or is it possible?

I guess as a pre-requisite, SunStudio must be running in linux first to be able 
to do this.

The reason I do this is because I only have left with one machine for 
experimentation and at this time, the Linux FC5 can't be removed. But I have 
spare HD for new partition to do the cross compiling and chrooting into that 
partition.

Thanks
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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
Thanks. I checked the URL. It seems that it is monolithic Gnome. Is there 
searchable package list? Or for this matter, is there online package database 
that is provided by OpenSolaris? I heard about Blastwave. But Gnome itself is 
huge, how do I know what is and is not included in the vermillion?

Jerry
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Cross Compile OpenSolaris in Linux?

2006-10-03 Thread James C. McPherson

Jerry wrote:

This may sound crazy, building OpenSolaris in Linux host, by bootstrapping
the compiler (Sun compiler?) and use the produced compiler and other
necessary package to compile the OS. Has anyone done that? or is it
possible?


I don't think anybody has done that, no. Part of the issue is gmake versus
Sun make. Another part is that I don't think anybody has bootstrapped gcc
to build on linux and output Solaris executables or object.

You're more than welcome to try :)


I guess as a pre-requisite, SunStudio must be running in linux first to be
able to do this.


Nope. Gcc is enabled for shadow compilation.


The reason I do this is because I only have left with one machine for
experimentation and at this time, the Linux FC5 can't be removed. But I
have spare HD for new partition to do the cross compiling and chrooting
into that partition.


Either save your money and get another hd, or use the Nexenta livecd.


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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
It seems that build 50 is not far away, 10/09/2006

http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt


How about Solaris Express, which build is it?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (

2006-10-03 Thread Casper . Dik

It seems that build 50 is not far away, 10/09/2006

http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt

The date is the delivery to WOS; the actual release is two
days later at the earliest, internally.  B49 is only just out
(last wednesday)

How about Solaris Express, which build is it?

You can generally tell that from the download file names.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Performance comparison between Sun cc compiled and Gcc compiled (

2006-10-03 Thread James C. McPherson

Jerry wrote:

It seems that build 50 is not far away, 10/09/2006
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/onnv_schedule.txt
How about Solaris Express, which build is it?



Jerry,
you could start to explorer the opensolaris.org website and find
out these things for yourself quite easily.


OpenSolaris is build49 at the moment:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b49/

and if you look at the urls found here
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
you'll see that Solaris Express is at build 48.



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[osol-discuss] Solaris Express, Solaris 10, and Community Edition

2006-10-03 Thread Jerry
Hi,

I am new to Solaris. I have read through the website. Just to confirm:

Solaris Express Community Edition (at download center) is the build xx

Solaris 10 is one of the build

Or is there one more version:

Solaris Express (without Community Edition) 

Which one does this refer to?

http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/

Thanks

Kind Regards,
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Re: [osol-discuss] libsmbios

2006-10-03 Thread James Carlson
Munish writes:
 I am a newbie here. I need some help in installing the libsmbios libraries. I 
 am building some proprietary SNMP agents and it requires libsmbios libraries. 
 These libraries are something like libsmbios, libsmbiosxml etc.
 
 I need these for x86 architecture for solaris 9. 

Solaris 9 isn't Open Solaris, and the libraries you're referring to
don't exist on Solaris 9, as far as I can tell.

And on Open Solaris, libsmbios isn't yet a documented interface, so it
would be unwise for a project outside of the ON consolidation (part of
Open Solaris) to link to it.  It's not documented because it may still
change in incompatible ways without warning.

I don't think there's a supported solution for what you're trying to
do here.

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[osol-discuss] kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Louwtjie Burger
bash-3.00$ kstat -m unix -n vminfo
module: unixinstance: 0
name:   vminfo  class:vm
crtime  47.129589548
freemem 232290532919
snaptime2847958.77893493
swap_alloc  45084054035
swap_avail  952763588224
swap_free   957527836045
swap_resv   49848301856

According to 
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/sys/sysinfo.h the 
numbers are 'pages'.

If I use pagesize and the 'pages' to calculate, I cannot get close to swap -s 
output.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris Express, Solaris 10, and Community Edition

2006-10-03 Thread James Carlson
Jerry writes:
 I am new to Solaris. I have read through the website. Just to confirm:
 
 Solaris Express Community Edition (at download center) is the build xx
 
 Solaris 10 is one of the build

No.

Solaris 10 is unrelated to Solaris Express.  Solaris 10 is the release
prior to Open Solaris.

Solaris Express is Sun's distribution of the current Open Solaris
tree.  There are other distributions available (Nexenta, Belenix,
Schillix).

 Or is there one more version:
 
 Solaris Express (without Community Edition) 

There are two versions of Solaris Express (SX).  Regular SX is
intended for most users and is the one for which you can buy a support
contract.  SX-CR is a build-of-the-moment intended specifically for
those who are doing their own Open Solaris builds.

You must be running Solaris to build Solaris.  We don't have a cross-
compilation environment yet.

You can get more information here:

  http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/distributions/

 Which one does this refer to?
 
 http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/

Neither.  Those are the nightly and bi-weekly ON consolidation builds.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Alan Coopersmith

Jerry wrote:

Hi,

When you say that there is procedure to compile NON DEBUG. Does it mean that 
the distribution of Solaris Express Comunity Edition is DEBUG version? And 
likewise, the Solaris Express from SUN website is DEBUG version too?


Both editions of Solaris Express are non-debug builds.


Btw, is there online updates that downloads only binary updates?


Not for Solaris Express.   Patches for released versions of Solaris
(right now Solaris 10 and earlier) just replace the changed binaries,
but since Solaris Express is still the development release, too much
changes each release to build patches for.   (And since patches are
tied to specific package versions, to build patches for Solaris Express,
we'd have to pick a build to patch against and anyone without that build
would be left out, or we'd have to build 50 versions of each patch to
apply to every possible build.)

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Darren J Moffat

James McPherson wrote:

On 10/3/06, W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 1. Keep watching the release news, and skip the
 releases which don't offer anything too interesting,
 then download the DVD/CD release, burn and upgrade
 installation. Negative is that you'd need to download
 whole wad of 2.5 G stuff.

 - Akhilesh

Can your upgrade from the iso images (on harddisc) w/o first burning 
into a DVD?  Thanks.


Yes you can, but you need the update_nonON scripts that (inside Sun at 
least)

are in /ws/onnv-gate/public/bin.


No you don't.  If you want to upgrade from one Solaris Express release 
to another you can use live upgrade by just using lofiadm and mount to 
make the iso install image available.


The update_nonON stuff can't possibly ever work outside of Sun and is 
really only for people who are using bfu but want to grab updated bits 
from other consolidations.  It has nothing to do with Solaris Express 
releases.


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Re: [osol-discuss] Cross Compile OpenSolaris in Linux?

2006-10-03 Thread Kuldip Oberoi
While Sun Studio Express has preview versions of Sun's compilers for 
Linux, cross-compiling is very challenging based on the 
interdependencies of the OS/libs.


  http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/cc/downloads/express.jsp

/kso


Jerry wrote:

This may sound crazy, building OpenSolaris in Linux host, by bootstrapping the 
compiler (Sun compiler?) and use the produced compiler and other necessary 
package to compile the OS. Has anyone done that? or is it possible?

I guess as a pre-requisite, SunStudio must be running in linux first to be able 
to do this.

The reason I do this is because I only have left with one machine for 
experimentation and at this time, the Linux FC5 can't be removed. But I have 
spare HD for new partition to do the cross compiling and chrooting into that 
partition.

Thanks
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Re: [osol-discuss] kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Bart Smaalders

I set reply-to to opensolaris-code

Louwtjie Burger wrote:

bash-3.00$ kstat -m unix -n vminfo
module: unixinstance: 0
name:   vminfo  class:vm
crtime  47.129589548
freemem 232290532919
snaptime2847958.77893493
swap_alloc  45084054035
swap_avail  952763588224
swap_free   957527836045
swap_resv   49848301856

According to 
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/sys/sysinfo.h the 
numbers are 'pages'.

If I use pagesize and the 'pages' to calculate, I cannot get close to swap -s 
output.
 
 


See swapctl(2) for a simpler interface.

Note that the kstats increase forever they're added to
once a second.

- Bart




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Re: [osol-discuss] kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Daniel Rock

Louwtjie Burger schrieb:

bash-3.00$ kstat -m unix -n vminfo
module: unixinstance: 0
name:   vminfo  class:vm
crtime  47.129589548
freemem 232290532919
snaptime2847958.77893493
swap_alloc  45084054035
swap_avail  952763588224
swap_free   957527836045
swap_resv   49848301856

If I use pagesize and the 'pages' to calculate, I cannot get close to swap -s 
output.



These values will be updated (added up) each seconds, so they will only 
provide you an average since reboot - not terribly useful, therefor I use:


  struct anoninfo ai;

  swapctl(SC_AINFO, ai);


See:

http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/os/clock.c#920
vs.
http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/vm/vm_swap.c#476




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[osol-discuss] Re: kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Louwtjie Burger
Any way to get information using the Sun::Solaris::Kstat perl module that could 
be usefull regarding swap and swap statistics?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Dennis Clarke

 Any way to get information using the Sun::Solaris::Kstat perl module that
 could be usefull regarding swap and swap statistics?



The ultimate is to simply write something yourself :

http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/kstatc.html

dc

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[osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Wireless Mesh Networking for OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread John Weekley
I'd like to propose a new project to develop a wireless mesh routing 
system for  OpenSolaris.  Mesh routing networks have the potential to 
provide low-cost, low administrative overhead, metropolitan area 
wireless networks using cheap, easily available hardware.


The primary goal of the project is to provide a vehicle for
OpenSolaris contributors to participate in the development
of an OpenSolaris mesh router.

The project's scope would encompass the architectural and technical
aspects of mesh routing and supporting software running on OpenSolaris,
and may eventually include developing support for running the resulting 
 mesh router distribution of OpenSolaris on flash-booted single board 
computers such as the Soekris or Via Epia lines of SBC's.


For more background on wireless mesh routing systems see:

http://www.cuwireless.net
http://www.seatllewireless.net
http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php
http://www.locustworld.com


Thanks,

John Weekley
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[osol-discuss] Re: Community Proposal: HPC Developer

2006-10-03 Thread Tim Jacobson
First off I admit that I work with Brad Lewis, so you can take what I say as 
biased support.  In the HPC world there is always need for more tools to help 
trace down problems as well as find better solutions.  Parallel environments 
make finding bugs very hard and sometimes difficult to reproduce.  Also, there 
are mysteries in why a parallel program performs well in one scenario and 
poorly in another.  The tools Brad proposes aim at addressing these needs for 
developers.

On a related topic, one of the strong uses for HPC systems is mathematical 
applications such as CBLAS.  Occasionally there are requests for mathematical 
routines not contained in the Sun Performance Library.  These customers can't 
accept an unsupported solution that is written just for them.  An HPC community 
would be a great place to provide this support.  This benefits both customers 
loyal to Sun as well as providing connections with computational math research 
institutions around the world.  Such collaboration seems to be at the heart of 
the OpenSolaris community.  I foresee this as being a vehicle to expand Sun's 
presence in the academic mathematical world.

Tim Jacobson
 
 
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[osol-discuss] October Community Newsletter

2006-10-03 Thread Linda Bernal

Hello,


If you have anything to contribute to the October newsletter, we are 
accepting contributions all month long.   Please note that the deadline 
for input will be October 30th. 



Thanks,
Linda
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[osol-discuss] I see snv_20061002 just landed

2006-10-03 Thread Dennis Clarke

http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061002/

Is this b50 or post b50 .. I always get these confused.

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Re: [osol-discuss] I see snv_20061002 just landed

2006-10-03 Thread Cyril Plisko

On 10/3/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061002/

Is this b50 or post b50 .. I always get these confused.


It is probably b50. At least the last revision in Mercurial bundle
is tag onnv_50 - see http://hg.genunix.org/on.hg


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Re: [osol-discuss] I see snv_20061002 just landed

2006-10-03 Thread James Carlson
Dennis Clarke writes:
 
 http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061002/
 
 Is this b50 or post b50 .. I always get these confused.

Neither, exactly.  It's the daily build that includes all the stuff
originally putback by the date the gate closed for build 50
(yesterday).  If there are post-closure putbacks (respins and other
corrections), then build 50 will be different.

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[osol-discuss] Re: kstat information

2006-10-03 Thread Louwtjie Burger
Hi

Yep, I've completed my program to the point that I can sample cpu, io, memory 
and some other odd bits from kstat... using perl of course.

I'm having a problem getting some usefull swap information however... from c 
there seems to be no problem ... just the kstat version isn't that usefull.

So, I'm forced to use swap -s to sample the info into perl ... but it's not a 
nice solution.

I'm using Solaris Performance and Tools, together with a healthy dose of the 
sourcecode browser ;)
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] I see snv_20061002 just landed

2006-10-03 Thread Dennis Clarke

 Dennis Clarke writes:

 http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/20061002/

 Is this b50 or post b50 .. I always get these confused.

 Neither, exactly.  It's the daily build that includes all the stuff
 originally putback by the date the gate closed for build 50
 (yesterday).  If there are post-closure putbacks (respins and other
 corrections), then build 50 will be different.

looks like fun

okay .. I'm going to grab a fresh box and install the SXCR and then
get a non-debug build going.  Just for a lark.  See whats new here.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread James C. McPherson

Darren J Moffat wrote:
[snip]
No you don't.  If you want to upgrade from one Solaris Express release 
to another you can use live upgrade by just using lofiadm and mount to 
make the iso install image available.


I was under the distinct impression that the discussion was in
the context of bfu archives, hence the comment.

The update_nonON stuff can't possibly ever work outside of Sun and is 
really only for people who are using bfu but want to grab updated bits 
from other consolidations.  It has nothing to do with Solaris Express 
releases.


Actually, I did manage to get the update_* scripts to work outside
of SWAN.

On reviewing the thread I see I was incorrect in my assumptions about
the context. The update_* scripts are still very useful though and I
don't think it would be difficult to make the public.


cheers,

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread Alan Coopersmith

James C. McPherson wrote:

Actually, I did manage to get the update_* scripts to work outside
of SWAN.

On reviewing the thread I see I was incorrect in my assumptions about
the context. The update_* scripts are still very useful though and I
don't think it would be difficult to make the public.


The update-X script is distributed with the X source drops, but that
version only updates the packages provided in the X source drops.You
should be able to simply put in the full list of X packages and then run
it from the Product/ subdir in a DVD or lofi-mounted DVD ISO image to
upgrade to the X packages in any given SXCR release.

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[osol-discuss] Re: From Linux to OpenSolaris

2006-10-03 Thread John Brewer
Installing Solaris from a another active version of OS i.e. Windows/Linux and 
other OS's would allow Open Solaris a whole new world of users, this install 
process would need to support a Java installer classes and use the native 
system properties with the ability to have java classes run. So in using this 
methodology is supported by some versions of Linux to allow a Windows user run 
a setup Linux on their hard drive and boot into it. This would offer an extra 
avenue to bring a whole lot of legacy Linux servers over to Open Solaris.

So the DVD installer java classes would need to manipulate partitioning with 
fdisk  then run a newfs with ufs or zfs native support under the native OS, 
installing/modifying a boot block with native version of 
installboot/installgrub and run a java version installer from the DVD that 
calls pfiinstall and pkgadd of the cluster choice that the user chooses, and 
would be needed and allow the user to reboot the new Solaris kernel on the 
newly defined partition!
 
 
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