Re: [osol-discuss] Larry Ellison takes on challenge in Sun
A very good read! http://static.reuters.com/resources/media/editorial/20 100513/Oracle.pdf Easy to point the finger, but suffice to say that everything Larry touches does not turn to gold. Case in point is the cubed processor, the network computer (Java based), as well as others. I can remember Larry offering condolences to the engineers in desktop back in '96 as PCs were going to be a thing of the past, and all of us would need to find other jobs to work on in the future as IT was going back to a mainframe type environment. Oddly people are still using PCs to this day. It was Larry's hope, IMO, to get Gates off the PC playing field as I don't believe he felt he could beat Gates as long as the playing field remained on the PC... He is good at making money, no argument there, but not everything is a profit inside Oracle. Me thinks he needs to taste some more salt (i.e., Sydney-Hobart race, where he swore he was giving up sailing for good) to come down to reality. He did get America's Cup, but I bet it's a long time before he goes out on the Sydney-Hobart race again... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
You did run a test with less than 100 chars (which is supportd by tar since 1979). I didn't know the syntax was from 1979, not that it even matters...it is supported syntax today is it not? I don't type pathnames longer than 100 characters, which is 20 characters wider than a normal page. Try again with a path name 100 chars and check what happens. I did verify a failure with Indiana build 134 But I don't use that on my system anyway...:-/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
You picked a bad example. GNU tar has its own share of problems. By default no other achiever than GNU tar can unpack long path names in archives created by GNU tar. Maybe I just got lucky... [al...@eagle Documents]$ gtar zcvf ./test.tgz tmp tmp/ tmp/split log cut.jpg tmp/Trailer Photo this is a long filename 11-11-09.doc tmp/UCLA 2010 Acceptance Leter [al...@eagle Documents]$ gtar -tzvf ./test.tgz drwxr-xr-x aland/staff 0 2010-05-23 00:37 tmp/ -rw-r--r-- aland/staff 32549 2010-05-23 00:36 tmp/split log cut.jpg -rw-r--r-- aland/staff 1964032 2010-05-23 00:37 tmp/Trailer Photo this is a long filename 11-11-09.doc -rw-r--r-- aland/staff 78085 2010-05-23 00:36 tmp/UCLA 2010 Acceptance Leter [al...@eagle Documents]$ rm -rf tmp/ [al...@eagle Documents]$ gunzip test.tgz [al...@eagle Documents]$ tar xvf test.tar x tmp, 0 bytes, 0 tape blocks x tmp/split log cut.jpg, 32549 bytes, 64 tape blocks x tmp/Trailer Photo this is a long filename 11-11-09.doc, 1964032 bytes, 3836 tape blocks x tmp/UCLA 2010 Acceptance Leter, 78085 bytes, 153 tape blocks [al...@eagle Documents]$ cd tmp/ [al...@eagle tmp]$ ls split log cut.jpg Trailer Photo this is a long filename 11-11-09.doc UCLA 2010 Acceptance Leter [al...@eagle tmp]$ I have more examples, at least one for each GNU tool I know. I'm sure you do...there's a lot of hear-say and rumors... Why aren't be going to put money together and HIRE someone. 100 people pay $100 each month to hire 2-3 people to eradicate the closed sources in libc. A company could pay $1000 a month and only 90 people have to pay to $100. Two companies could pay $2000 and only 80 people have to pay the $100 You can, but that is not the way open source works, it comes from the heart not the pocket, this is something that Sun never understood. They were always trying to give out some swag so that the people could be their marketing lemmings. The last SVOSUG meeting there was some bags that looked like loin cloths to me, they were completely useless, IMO. Sun always felt that by giving SWAG to people they would just flock to the community and be a part of it. The people that ran the cough (Open)Solaris program just were not in touch with the actual people, most never attend user groups at all, except for Jim Grisanzio. Why don't we rename the organisation then? You mean something like ClosedSolaris? *gdr* (I say that's a joke son!) I think Linux is good enough for the enterprise. If I have to sacrifice the ability to build the system from open sources, enterprise doesn't mean $#!T at the end of the day. Live free or die... +1 This is why Plocher's suggestion was good, IMO. We need to be able to build it ourselves, to get rid of the closed sources, to not be dependent on a company like Oracle so that we can build. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
A test with _short_ path names does not prove anything - sorry. Jörg, WTF do I need to do then? I was told that you couldn't unarchive any long filenames with another tar, that it wouldn't work. Do I need to rub my tummy, while hopping around on one leg in a full moon? Or do I need to do something else special? I'm sure the CD Burning software is horribly broken also, but it burned a CD for me. I have no idea if it used cdrecord or not, it doesn't matter, I can burn CDs and it appears to work...go figure...this community has long been pointing a finger at the Linux community, crying foul for every utility there is and you have been leading the pack. In the meantime *WE* can barely build the fsckin' kernel without having permission from the holder of the keys. That means Oracle now. If anything is broken, it's that process, IMO. Cheers, -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
The comment about GNU is IMO unjustified. The ksh93-integration and ATT team have done a much better technical job than GNU in the last four years. We got ksh93, a lot of modernized tools, even more in the work, with GNU *and* BSD extensions, stick to POSIX and a stable API and they are evolving with the rest of the open source world. That all sounds good, but I have long used GNU extensions on Solaris, gtar as a case in point so that I could get compression support with tar. gupdatedb/glocate are another example. There are many Sun/Solaris folks that will be quick to tell you how crappy the GNU extensions are, but there are more than a few like me that would just like to have some of the features they offer. The bigger problem is in having both code bases. In Nexenta's case they don't maintain much of that, they use the GNU base and Debian folks maintain that for them. However, not to digress, my point was more in relation to leveraging open source to solve the same problems they were designed for. To be able to work with the other open source communities so that all can grow as a whole. This is the Not Invented Here syndrome. I used Nexenta as an example only because they were able to put together a distribution that did leverage the GNU base. But they not only had a distribution together but had ZFS included on the root file system long before (Open)Solaris. More so I believe that John Plocher's point was spot on, because I was always 100% supportive of the fact that the cough (Open)Solaris community should be built out of 100% open code, so the community doesn't have to rely on Oracle, and more importantly so that they CAN build it. Without the closed bins I don't think the kernel will build anymore. There is a LOT of code in closed, and all the HBA controllers have support by means of closed bins as I recall...WTF, we can't even use the cough (Open)Solaris name. Just looking at Debian, Ubuntu and Linux only doesn't make Opensolaris better, it gives only a shadow or at best a petty clone but not a top grade enterprise system. I think Linux is good enough for the enterprise. If I have to sacrifice the ability to build the system from open sources, enterprise doesn't mean $#!T at the end of the day. Live free or die... Regards, Alan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris and Crossover
The thought of running that crap software is disappointing at best. I use Alpine to handle mail to an Exchange server. And Evolution for the calendar portion, so I don't need to use Outlook. I use OpenOffice to manage their documents, it works. Honestly, I don't even want to run that crappy software you mention, even if it was free.:-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
On Thu, 20 May 2010, Erik Trimble wrote: Be *very* careful what you wish for. One of the problems with OpenSolaris (from a PR standpoint) has been the lack of real emphasis on the GOAL for OpenSolaris. Is it a general-purpose, use-it-for-anything OS? Is it for embeded systems? Backoffice server-room use only? Desktops? Laptops? Micro-computing (e.g. cellphones)? What targets are we aiming for? I think it's gotten a lot better as a desktop, and I use it at home as my desktop (SXCE, and not even the latest...one is on build 117 and another on the last SXCE release). I use it mostly for web/mail/blog/appserver/etc...but it functions as my desktop at home. Most of the codecs I have are from the LWS which was closed down in Japan, I just untar them when I update, but haven't updated in a while. Most all of the above is added on, for mail I use exim, I compile my own tomcat, and run jroller and subsonic, and the mp3 codec is finally in Solaris as I recall, but that was recent. One problem has always been that Sun has always been willing to take on the entire spectrum, one piece at a time, so there is some duplicated efforts between cough (Open)Solaris, and Linux. In that regard, Nexenta got it right in having GNU as the base, those efforts are not duplicated, and continue to evolve with the rest of the open source world. I think Sun did a good job at alienating (Open)Solaris from some key areas of open source. They have utilized some areas to the best though, Xorg as a case in point, or even Apache. While you may have found Ubuntu 10.04 good for your laptop, I have found it to be absolute crap for servers. And that absolute crap has and is evolving with the help of the open source world at large, but Solaris is less in that regard and more heavily dependent on Sun and now Oracle to fund the development. We all need to remember that there are specialized tools for a reason, and trying to make everything a hammer/wrench/screwdriver/corkscrew/whatever supertool is bound to fail. Pick our poison and stick to it. I run it on my laptop(s) as it really does seem to function well on them, and I happen to need them for work. At home I only have Solaris running on my 2 servers which function as my desktop also. That said, I'd prefer the OpenSolaris situation to emulate the OpenJDK situation, where there's a open, community-managed process around a buildable free source base That is kinda what I was pointing out I guess, and the crap servers keep evolving and are getting software support from vendors. That is a key difference, that in the case of Linux many vendors are willing to do the device support, or offer a Linux solution, where Solaris is a mixed bag...and there is some rough terrain between x86 and SPARC, some vendors offer one and not the other. Adobe now offers x86 AcroRead, but dropped SPARC... In fact another point is that OpenSolaris has been mostly x86 until recent...for better or worse (I think better), but it's a point which add to both co-existing together. (yes, one of my servers is SPARC) At one point SPARC was better as a desktop as it had AcroRead, realplayer, stuff like that which was not on x86. Ok, so the cards are turned, but it's been at the expense of SPARC in some cases.:-/ Having a better focus will lead to some improvements in this area, as decisions are made about where to put effort, and dump unfruitful avenues. Sun was famously crappy at that process. Oracle has a better reputation, but who knows Even if they can twist the arms of more vendors on the software end, Oracle doesn't have a great track record in open source, IMO, and I don't see much of the open source community embracing OpenSolaris just because Oracle owns it. Sun has had a difficult time with the OSS in general, and has given way more than the OSS community gives them credit for... -- Alan DuBoff - Software Orchestration http://www.softorchestra.com:8080/roller/blog/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Using Xinerama with 2 out of 3 monitors?
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Ian Collins wrote: Oh it does, but I can't run Xinerama across all three panels (too wide), so I want to combine 2 and keep one as its own X screen. What do you mean too wide? I've seen Xinerama running across 3 monitors. Several people used to run it like that at Sun, Sherri Moore was one of them. -- Alan DuBoff - Software Orchestration http://www.softorchestra.com:8080/roller/blog/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Using Xinerama with 2 out of 3 monitors?
On Fri, 21 May 2010, Ian Collins wrote: With the older GPU I have (a 7900 GTX) Xinerama only works up to 4096 pixels, I have two (rotated) 20 panels flanking a 30 panel. That's 4960 pixels wide. Ian, You can get new cards for about what a happy meal costs. I use dual head on a PNY with 896MB...cost all of about US $125. -- Alan DuBoff - Software Orchestration http://www.softorchestra.com:8080/roller/blog/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
What I am suggesting is that we should finish the work started in the emancipation community, pull in the groundbreaking build and boot efforts from the various other distros (starting with Schillix, Belinix and the IBM/z port simply because Joerg, Moinak and Neale are involved) and produce the tools, docs and code needed to enable others to easily grab the OpenSolaris source code from OpenSolaris.org's mercurial repos, build the bits and boot a running OpenSolaris kernel without reference to or use of closed-bin bits, proprietary-to-Oracle binary repositories or tools. In my mind, *not* being able to do this simple thing ourselves is a liability that needs to be addressed... -John John, I couldn't agree more, but am in wait-see mode. I installed Ubuntu on a laptop this week, everything works and is built with open source. Even the newest OpenOffice with the Oracle logo on it is included in the latest 10.04 release. VPN (IPSEC/IKE), audio, video, NIC, wifi, hibernate, sleep, suspend, everything works, I'm using it on a docking station closed but attached to a monitor. While the Broadcom driver for wifi doesn't ship with the distro, there is an automated process to strip the firmware out of the chipset so that the driver can be built. I am keeping an eye on this community, as I do still have Solaris running on my 2 servers at home, but it seems that Linux will ultimately be more important for my work. Amazing that all the codecs seem available that I need, the plugins work, and I even have a Chrome browser on Linux. Solaris management was always saying that couldn't be done, but the codecs are available over the wire, transparent in the distros of Linux. This is how Solaris should be. Adobe doesn't provide a SPARC release of AcroRead anymore, and Cisco doesn't provide VPN clients for Solaris on x86 (SPARC only). This quagmire will play havoc for Oracle, IMO, as well as the community in general. Oracle has deep pockets to rectify that problem, but time will tell if they feel compelled to assist. Seeing Marsland and Gosling leave didn't leave me with the warm fuzzies that Oracle is behind open source, but that is just opinion/speculation. Finally, after 8 years since the infamous Jan. 8, 2002 fiasco, Anil Gadre is gone I have heard...maybe justice served after all, but not before Sun as a company was toast. Gosling's graphic pretty much said it all...R.I.P. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Using Xinerama with 2 out of 3 monitors?
Use nvidia-settings to configure it. You should see 3 cards/monitors in it. It will write the proper xorg.conf. Last year when I put together a new machine, I was having problems with a PNY card, turned out to the the card was faulty, and out of a hunch I took it back and returned it when the problem surfaced a month or two after I bought it. PNY used to be made in America, but like much other stuff they whore'd out their products to China...so the quality has gone down under...*wink* -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Marvin the Paranoid Android about to run OpenSolaris
When: Thursday, Jan. 22, 2009 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Mansion (SCA07 just across the road from the Auditorium) What: Marvin the Paranoid Android about to run OpenSolaris Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Yahoo Maps: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=37.393386lon=-121.955218zoom=16q1=4070%2%200George%20Sellon%20Circle%2095054 Some of you have seen the robot (Marvin[1]) which John Weeks started to create, based on an iRobot/Roomba vacuum with an arduino on it. John has a motion detector which is connected to the arduino, which in turn can signal the Roomba. There has been some pondering on how we could get OpenSolaris running on a motherboard which could be powered from the iRobot/Roomba. John Weeks has acquired a small Intel based motherboard running an Atom processor. This motherboard gets power from 12v and we can power the Atom motherboard from the Roomba. Join us this Thursday in the Mansion, to discuss how we can turn this robot into a larger community project, which could help form a basis to a reference platform to be used for robot competitions. Having a standard reference platform based on the Roomba/Dirt-Dog, with a standard set of devices. Where all involved would use similar hardware, but be able to configure it to their desire, and fabricate their own robot. Our plan is to run OpenSolaris on the robot, and use arduinos and other small devices to connect and operate with the robot. I was looking over SparkFun recently and see there´s quite a list of devices that we can potentially support, and incorporate into Marvin, Some of these devices would include: 1) color light sensor 2) heart rate sensor 3) sound sensor 4) fingerprint reader (a tad pricey at about $130, but available) 5) temp sensor 6) LCD/text display 7) lights 8) GPS 9) compass 10) alcohol/gas sensor 11) accelerometer 12) camera 13) pressure sensor 14) humidity sensor 15) infrared 16) Xbee 17) magnetic card reader 18) motion sensor 19) membrane potentiometer 20) range finder Some of the folks in the community have already bought and are using such sensors/devices, and this project could be just the ticket to get involved with others to explore where we can take it. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group [1] Marvin, the Paranoid Android is a fictional character in The Hitchhiker? Guide to the Galaxy series by Douglas Adams. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Reminder: [SVOSUG] Dec. Meeting THIS Week 12/18/08
When: Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Mansion (SCA07 just across the road from the Auditorium) What: Holiday Potluck, Social, and 2008.11 Celebration! Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=37.393386lon=-121.955218zoom=16q1=4070%20George%20Sellon%20Circle%2095054 Reminder to drop by the Mansion tonight, over in Santa Clara, where we´ll be having our holiday potlock and social, we might have some music to set the tone with the recent OpenSolaris 2008.11 release, a nice way to go into the break... I´ve got my potluck dish going now, and the ethernet is hooked up... I put a pic up on my blog. Dont forgot...¨The BBQ is the computer!¨ (or something like that...;-) http://blogs.sun.com/aland/ If we don´t see you, have a happy holiday, drive safely, and let let´s look forward to a great 2009. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Dec. Meeting THIS Week 12/18/08
When: Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Mansion (SCA07 just across the road from the Auditorium) What: Holiday Potluck, Social, and 2008.11 Celebration! Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=37.393386lon=-121.955218zoom=16q1=4070%20George%20Sellon%20Circle%2095054 Just a reminder, the December SVOSUG meeting will move to this week, to 12/18/08. We'll be having our annual Holiday Potluck/Social. Please feel free to join us for some holiday cheer along with some tech talk. If you are inclined to bring something for the potluck, your welcome to, but nobody is required to bring anything for the potluck. Bring yourself, some conversation, and enjoy the evening with fellow OpenSolaris, Linux, and BSD folks. Everyone is welcome to share some Holiday Cheer with us! After being shown up by Chez Liu at the Halloween party this year, I might be bringing some good 'ol fashioned BBQ, smoked slowly over hardwood lump. Help will be available if you would like to install the latest OpenSolaris 2008.11 which was just released. This is a dandy release that has been underway for quite some time, lots of new features have been added and this is shaping up into a very nice distribution. This release was a good way to wrap up the year, IPS has really come a long way, and OpenSolaris is maturing into a nice system. Happy Holidays to all, drive safely over the holidays, and let's all hope for a great 2009! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SVOSUG - Move to Tues. November 25th, Installfest for TG
SVOSUG will move to Tues. due to Thanksgiving being on Thursday. We will be offering to help folks install the most current OpenSolaris bits on their systems if you would like, on the metal or inside VirtualBox. Bring your laptop, we'll help you get OpenSolaris running inside VirtualBox, or on the metal. We can help get your system dual boot, but make sure to have your system fully backed up in case of problems. We have had pretty good success getting systems dual boot, so don't be shy'd away. One most excellent feature that was just added to OpenSolaris is the ability to load/install with 512mb of memory. This not only holds true to install on laptops with less memory, but allows laptops with lower memory to host other environments within VirtualBox by only requireing 512mb of memory for the xVM. I would also like to toss out some Lightning talks, and hope that others in the community will have some to add. I have a couple lightning talks I will be giving, one on the new Fast Reboot added to build 100, and another on a couple tips to help your build performance. If you have something your involved with on OpenSolaris, or something you've discovered, please feel free to give a short mention on it so that others might learn from it. Bring a systems (to install), bring a talk, or just bring yourself, we'll meet in the Mansion on the Santa Clara campus next Tues., November 25th at 7:30pm. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] James Gosling at SVLUG tonight, Mountain View, CA
If anyone is in the valley area and is interested, James Gosling is speaking over at the Silicon Valley Linux User Group which meets at the Veritas/Symatec building on Ellis. http://www.svlug.org/meetings.php -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] 10/23, Arduino Night, buy a kit, build a kit, bring a board
A friendly reminder of tonight's meeting. We have some giveaways we're raffling off. Everyone is welcome, on all systems, OpenSolaris, Linux, and FreeBSD, come one come all. Refer to my blog for latest info, and see the Wiki for info as well. My blog: http://blogs.sun.com/aland/ Wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Arduino_Interest On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Alan DuBoff wrote: This Thursday, we will have several nice things to show folks with Arduinos, and for those who venture to build one we will be having a go with that also! The kits will cost $11-$12. We create a Wiki which you can see at the following link: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Arduino_Interest When: Thursday, Oct. 23, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Mansion (SCA07 just across the road from the Auditorium) What: Arduino Night, buy a kit, build a kit, bring a board Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Yahoo Maps: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=37.393386lon=-121.955218zoom=16q1=4070%20George%20Sellon%20Circle%2095054 We are planning our next SVOSUG meeting, and I have mentioned this idea to several folks with great response, so I would like to start planning early enough since this meeting will present a lot of options to folks attending. To learn about the Arduino if you are not familiar with it, please go to the Arduino website at the following link. If you use Mac OSX, Linux, or Windows you can get the development software at a link from that site, and if you use FreeBSD you can find the development tools inside the ports collection, use pkg_add or make the port. If you use OpenSolaris, we will have the start of the tools available which you can use. We hope to continue working on these to have a stable set of tools just like the other platforms, and we are just getting this going (but do have it working). http://arduino.cc/ As I have mentioned at several user groups, including the last SVOSUG meeting, we have been planning to build the Freeduino which is an inexpensive kit that is sold by Modern Device. http://moderndevice.com/ These kits cost anywhere from $10-$15 depending on QTY in which you buy them. We will have some kits, cables, breadboards, and other chiatchkas which can be used with boards for development, but for many people we have determined it could be easier to buy a pre-assembled kit ahead of time. For that matter, if you want to ensure that you have a kit, should you want to build, buying one ahead of time will be the safest bet. You can get the Freedunio kit assembled from Modern Device, but I don't believe we will have any of those to provide, we will most likely only have bare bones kits. One of the big advantages of this board is that it can easily be plugged into a breadboard to connect other devices and/or route connections. This is convenient for development. You can get a serial to USB cable for these also, but that will cost about $20. The Diecimilia is a pre-assembled board that is available from several places, and this design originates from Arduino, AFAIK. One advantage of these boards is that they have a lot of options you can buy and connect to them, please see the MakerShed page as they have a lot of stuff listed. The Arduino is very popular with the Maker Groups around the country. There are many options known as shields that plug onto the Diecimilia, for various audio type devices (sound, piano synth), sliders, lights, USB, Ethernet, serial, cables, etc...so this is a very attractive package for many folks. http://www.makershed.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=43Redirected=Y Given that there are so many options, and such a diverse set of skills within all of the local communities, people attending will have to make some decisions on what model they would like. I must add, 2 people have built the kits I know, one has done it in 20 minutes, and another person has done it in just over 1 hour. We will have several soldering stations, but due to time constraints, we will be limited on how many can be soldered up, hence the 15 kits we have ordered to have on hand. I like to build things, so building one is attractive to me. I have a kit already, but will most likely solder mine before hand and will use that as another data point. This is also a good opportunity to learn how to solder and build a kit, there will be folks to help you if you do not know how. There is so much information, and so many places to buy, that we decided to reccomend only a few online stores to purchase from, but you can order from many more places on the net, and the Tech Shop in Menlo Park often has them for sale, but there is such demand for them that they sell out quickly. The places that we reccomend are: (not in any specific order;-) Modern Device, both kits and Diecimilia (BBB is the bare bones board kit, i.e., Freedunio). http://www.moderndevice.com/ Maker Store, shipping is quick but prices are a tad higher, good
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] 10/23, Arduino Night, buy a kit, build a kit, bring a board
, it might help you decide and understand the best option to hook up one to your computer. You will ultimately need some type of cable, to connect to your computer along with the board. We will have several cool demos to represent the type of development you can easily do with these boards, and that in itself will be interesting to many people, even if you are not interested in doing development yourself. We hold no favorites, the kits we have available are on a first come first serve basis (i.e., ALL communities, SVOSUG, BayLISA, and SVLUG), but we haven't decided a good way to pre-sale these kits to people, other than taking your word on good faith that you will show up and buy it. We suspect the kits will go fast as they are inexpensive and fun to build, but I emphasize that it is safest to get a kit or board ahead of time to have it in your possession. Also, building is not the best option for all folks, so keep that in mind. We will be available to help you if you are not familiar with soldering. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Simple Panels
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Brian Cameron wrote: I worked on the Sun Management Center project from 1999-2001. You would admit that on a public fora? *gdr* -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SVOSUG 10/23, Arduino Night, buy a kit, build a kit, bring a board
of development you can easily do with these boards, and that in itself will be interesting to many people, even if you are not interested in doing development yourself. We hold no favorites, the kits we have available are on a first come first serve basis (i.e., ALL communities, SVOSUG, BayLISA, and SVLUG), but we haven't decided a good way to pre-sale these kits to people, other than taking your word on good faith that you will show up and buy it. We suspect the kits will go fast as they are inexpensive and fun to build, but I emphasize that it is safest to get a kit or board ahead of time to have it in your possession. Also, building is not the best option for all folks, so keep that in mind. We will be available to help you if you are not familiar with soldering. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Stephen Smalley to speak at SVOSUG on Thur. 09/25/08
When: Thursday, Sept. 25, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Mansion (SCA07 just across the road from the Auditorium) What: Security technologies to confine flawed and malicious software Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm You are invited to hear Stephen Smalley, of the US National Security Agency (NSA), speak on security technologies to confine flawed and malicious software. Stephen was instrumental in bringing the Flux Advanced Security Kernel (Flask) and Type Enforcement (TE) technologies to Linux through the SELinux project. Flask is a flexible form of mandatory access control (MAC) that has been gaining popularity since its introduction in SELinux, SEBSD, and SEDarwin. Stephen is now involved as a project lead on the OpenSolaris.org Flexible Mandatory Access Control (FMAC) project that is integrating FLASK and TE into OpenSolaris. Stephen Smalley Bio: Stephen Smalley is a Technical Director in the Defense Computing Research Office of the National Information Assurance Research Laboratory of the NSA. Mr. Smalley received a 2005 Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Fellows award for his technical achievements within the Intelligence Community. Prior to his work on OpenSolaris and SELinux, Mr. Smalley performed research and development in the area of operating system security through the development and analysis on a series of secure research operating systems. Mr. Smalley received his B.S. degree in Computer Science and Mathematics from the Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology. For additional info please see the following URLs: OpenSolaris.org Flexible Mandatory Access Control Project Page: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fmac/ NSA SELinux Reference: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ Map to the Mansion: http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=mlat=37.393386lon=-121.955218zoom=16q1=4070%20George%20Sellon%20Circle%2095054 We may also have some pizza and sodas. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Art Exhibit at SVOSUG on Thur. 09/25/08
I unfortunately forgot to mention that Tamarah Rockwood will be showing her artwork which was submitted for the OpenSolaris Community Innovations Awards, at the meeting on Thurs. Many of you know Tamarah's husband Ben who has given a presentation at SVOSUG in the past, and is a great supporter of our community. We will have Tamarah's art exhibit in the Living Room of the Mansion, I can't think of a better place to show it! Please take a look at the work she created this Thurs. Information on the meeting is on my blog at: http://blogs.sun.com/aland/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] zpool clear rpool c4d1s0 hangs OpenSolaris
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: so .. pull the power ? That's one option. Another would be to post in the zfs-discuss list where it is more likely to get a response from somone working on zfs. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Blastwave.org
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, UNIX admin wrote: But of course you've read the text provided with the hyperlink that states the dependencies eh? ;-) Of course. I am a very firm believer in reading the documentation. In fact, that's the very first thing I do. But truth be told, it is simply unprofessional to do what Steve Christensen has done with Sunfreeware, and whether it's free/gratis/whatever or not is no excuse in my eyes. At best, it's amateur work, and that's saying it very politely. You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but I see nothing unprofessional in supplying sources. Supplying the source code is something that not everyone seems to do...something to think about. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] openoffice wont load
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Cj wrote: I installed the openoffice sw but now it wont load. It shows up in my menu. Any thought on why? Is there an error log ro something? I searched openoffice but their FAQ link is broken. I have no idea what you installed it on, or how you installed it. What does this show you: $ which soffice Do you see any error when you run it from the command line? $ soffice -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] what is wrong with mu install
On Sat, 9 Aug 2008, Cj wrote: Any idea what happened? I had to use the power button to reset the system. Yes, the screensaver kicked in...might be having problems coming out, not sure. You can try ctrl-alt-backspace to kill and restart X. Disable the screensaver so it doesn't kick in. The other possibility is that you have a BIOS setting that will shut the display off, but doesn't come back to the system. If that is the case turn it off in the BIOS. I was running a virtualbox with a basic xp partition on it. Nothing running just sitting there. My bet is on the screen saver, ctrl-alt-backspace will restart X. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
Dennis has apparently I am not sure what, and think you have the right idea to move it to another domain. Got me to thinking that bolthole.com would be way cool, why not use it? It is one of the oldest Solaris x86 domains on the net, AFAIK. (ie: if you have some thing vaguely resembling a datacenter phil,- bolthole.com, please :) I might have a couple old systems, I'll send an email and see if they interest you. They could get you started, though. vaguely being the keyword in your enquire. I would also need to make sure that I could send that to you. I'll follow up with an email. Cheers, And again, my vote for bolthole.com... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Blastwave.org
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: Once I resolve a few issues the doors are open to any responsible community individual that wants to experiment, play, build software or even just contribute docs or meet with like minded people. What will you do if no developers show up? -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: Mr. Philip Brown : sniparoo Dennis, This list is not a forum to express your personal views and/or differences between you and Phil. What is between you and others, is quite honestly between you and others. Now, with that said, what's up with genunix.org? -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, with that said, what's up with genunix.org? It seems to work now. (But it wasn't a few hours ago) Casper Ok, it is in fact working for me. Must have been a glitch in the net or something...maybe it was that DNS bug... Good to see your name around, hope things are ok. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: Al Hopper spoke with someone in Toronto yesterday and after some other people looked at some paper they then sent instructions to me. The domains were listed in the incorporation papers of Blastwave.org in much the same way that OpenSolaris is a registered asset of Sun Microsystems Inc. This is wrong. genunix.org should not be a registered asset of Blastwave.org. Can a Canadian company hold assets in the U.S. in this capacity? Why is genunix.org listed in the incorporation papers for Blastwave? I am not a lawyer, but curious why genunix.org is tied to Blastwave. Is Blastwave funding the operation of genunix.org? I thought Al Hopper was doing that...hmmm... As a person who has provided content on genunix.org, I have concerns about that. -- Alan DuBoff - (speaking for myself, not my employer) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Summer Break, taking July off...
NOTE: Phillip Flip Russell is no longer working at Sun, and has helped for the past few years with SVOSUG. I would like to thank Phillip for helping out and hope that you'll keep in touch with us. I had been planning to host the meeting last week when Lori Alt was visiting, but Lori was busy on Thurs., but we did tape a video for ZFS Boot that can be seen on John Weeks' ustream account: (first 10 minutes have some white noise in the audio) http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/563014 I would also like the let folks know about some dates coming up. The August meeting will be moved up to PenLUG in Redwood City, please join along in meeing with PenLUG. This will be on the same night SVOSUG normally meets on, 4th Thurs., or August 28th. http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Home/MeetingAgenda20080828 Sept. 3rd, James Gosling is speaking at the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group. Here's a good chance to hear James speak at a small local venue. http://www.svlug.org/meetings.php Sept. SVOSUG meeting will be back at the Mansion, and I have a tentative speaker but don't have it confirmed yet. Stay tuned for this announcement soon. Oct. SVOSUG meeting is being planned as a Arduino build-a-thon. The parts to build an Arduino are only about $10-$15. We need to have a cross compiler for OpenSolaris (gcc-avr) to support the Arduino, which is a full open hardware and software platform to develop on. John Plocher recently wrote a couple snazzy programs on the Arduino, one uses 2 servos with a web cam to allow panning of the webcam with 2 potentiometers. This was done with about 25 lines of c code, compiled and uploaded to the Arduino. He also wrote a musical type program. Yes, John has discovered the Arudino...and so can you...stay tuned for more info, we'll help you build one for youself out of parts. This will be based on the Freeduino, bare bones board. We will be inviting the local LUGs and BayLISA to join us. http://www.moderndevice.com/ Have a nice summer break, I'm hoping for one myself. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] snv_93 much slower than previous
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Mark Kaiman wrote: I downloaded snv_93 to my ThinkPad recently. It seems much slower than previous builds when redrawing windows, launching applications, etc... Anyone else notice this? I am actually thinking of reinstalling the original 2008.05. It ran much more smoothly. I have a laptop with NVIDIA graphics, and it doesn't work correctly on 93 but does on 2008.05. What type of graphics adapter do you have in the thinkpad? I did in fact re-install 2008.05 to the laptop.:-/ -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] ZFS Boot Presentation
There's a ZFS Boot Presentation going on, if you have access to the web, you can view this at the SVOSUG webpage at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Summer Thinktank, give your input, Tonight!
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER Tonight! On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Alan DuBoff wrote: SVOSUG members, help us decide what to do with our user group in Silicon Valley. I've been running SVOSUG for 3 years and quite honestly I'm getting bored with the same old format...and we've had great presentations at SVOSUG, I've been quite happy with the group over the past few years. However, I don't believe it scales for the future, and I don't think user groups offer the same advantage they used to, with the web, use of video, and online-collaboration. I don't feel we're able to accomplish too much as a user group, and there could be ways to expand and continue to grow the group in the future by changing the format. A couple ideas that I have had are: 1) Shorter presentations so that folks could watch the content at their leisure, even if they're not local. I think of lightning talks in this regard, and could offer folks within the community to get up give a short presentation that is 5 minutes, and scale out our community, not just SVOSUG. The key here would be using the meeting to create content, as we've been doing, but to make the content more usable. I haven't figured out how to leverage it better. 2) Technical Architect Groups (TAGs) where a small group of folks with common intersts can get together and work on something together. This could possibly happen the same day as the meeting, and allow people to get together and discuss something that they could go off and work on over the next month. 3) More community participation from non-Sun folks. How can we get folks to talk about things they're doing. As an example, have you built a nice system that is low power, or small form factor? Have you been tunneling through VMs on your network to allow users to access inside a Virtual Box VM? How about ekiga, do you use it on OpenSolaris? 4) Possibly going around the room and just having people mention briefly what they're working on, what they doing, and if people are interested in such, they could talk after the meeting or in email/opensolaris.org. 5) ? (give a suggestion to something you think would work) I will open my call-in number which is toll-free so that if anyone would like to voice an idea that is not local and/or how we can help you, please do. Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Please feel free to join us, for a drink, a snack, some good open source talk, and a chance to talk to some of the OpenSolaris engineers. Feel free to bring your own bottle, a snack, or something to share if inclined, no entry required so feel free to join us without concern of bringing something. When: Thursday, June 26, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Summer Thinktank Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara, SVOSUG Project Page, for video: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ If you haven't been to the Mansion before, as you enter the Sun campus on Palm, from Lafayette, the Mansion is the first building on the left, as I recall. There is parking all around, a small lot in the rear, parking on Palm, and a huge lot on the other side of the Auditorium. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Summer Thinktank, give your input, 06/26
SVOSUG members, help us decide what to do with our user group in Silicon Valley. I've been running SVOSUG for 3 years and quite honestly I'm getting bored with the same old format...and we've had great presentations at SVOSUG, I've been quite happy with the group over the past few years. However, I don't believe it scales for the future, and I don't think user groups offer the same advantage they used to, with the web, use of video, and online-collaboration. I don't feel we're able to accomplish too much as a user group, and there could be ways to expand and continue to grow the group in the future by changing the format. A couple ideas that I have had are: 1) Shorter presentations so that folks could watch the content at their leisure, even if they're not local. I think of lightning talks in this regard, and could offer folks within the community to get up give a short presentation that is 5 minutes, and scale out our community, not just SVOSUG. The key here would be using the meeting to create content, as we've been doing, but to make the content more usable. I haven't figured out how to leverage it better. 2) Technical Architect Groups (TAGs) where a small group of folks with common intersts can get together and work on something together. This could possibly happen the same day as the meeting, and allow people to get together and discuss something that they could go off and work on over the next month. 3) More community participation from non-Sun folks. How can we get folks to talk about things they're doing. As an example, have you built a nice system that is low power, or small form factor? Have you been tunneling through VMs on your network to allow users to access inside a Virtual Box VM? How about ekiga, do you use it on OpenSolaris? 4) Possibly going around the room and just having people mention briefly what they're working on, what they doing, and if people are interested in such, they could talk after the meeting or in email/opensolaris.org. 5) ? (give a suggestion to something you think would work) I will open my call-in number which is toll-free so that if anyone would like to voice an idea that is not local and/or how we can help you, please do. Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Please feel free to join us, for a drink, a snack, some good open source talk, and a chance to talk to some of the OpenSolaris engineers. Feel free to bring your own bottle, a snack, or something to share if inclined, no entry required so feel free to join us without concern of bringing something. When: Thursday, June 26, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Summer Thinktank Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara, SVOSUG Project Page, for video: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ If you haven't been to the Mansion before, as you enter the Sun campus on Palm, from Lafayette, the Mansion is the first building on the left, as I recall. There is parking all around, a small lot in the rear, parking on Palm, and a huge lot on the other side of the Auditorium. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Darryl Gove - Solaris Application Programming, Thur 05/22 (fwd)
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER Feel free to stop by for a drink and conversation, I am going to bring some sushi...(using community fish!;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [SVOSUG] Darryl Gove - Solaris Application Programming, Thur 05/22 Darryl Gove, author of the recent Prentice Hall publication, Solaris Application Programming, will be joining us for this month's meeting. This is an excellent book for OpenSolaris developers at large. This month we're planning to change the format, in interest of a community meeting where members of the community can be more interactive with each other. The typical format for a user group is to have a 1-2 hour presentation, with questions...and rather than focusing on a large presentation, I'd like to try and have several small presentation, including the members of the community who have helpful or interesting things they're doing on OpenSolaris. I've thought of having several laptops that users could wander around to and watch a short presentation, but not sure we can have that setup this month or not. We will continue meeting in the Mansion, and will try to use the space inside to suite our needs, please join us in this special space and enjoy the company of your fellow OpenSolaris and other open source community members as well. I spoke at the BayLISA meeting last week, and will be speaking at SVLUG on June 4th, and EBLUG on June 18th. I'm inviting other communities to join us, and would like to hear from some of them if they would like to give the community a perspective on the system(s) they use, what they use them for, and/or if they have interest in OpenSolaris. Please feel free to join us, for a drink, a snack, some good open source talk, and a chance to talk to some of the OpenSolaris engineers. Feel free to bring your own bottle, a snack, or something to share if inclined, no entry required so feel free to join us without concern of bringing something. When: Thursday, May 22, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Darryl Gove - Solaris Application Programming Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,$ SVOSUG Project Page, for video: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ If you haven't been to the Mansion before, as you enter the Sun campus on Palm, from Lafayette, the Mansion is the first building on the left, as I recall. There is parking all around, a small lot in the rear, parking on Palm, and a huge lot on the other side of the Auditorium. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Darryl Gove - Solaris Application Programming, Thur 05/22
Darryl Gove, author of the recent Prentice Hall publication, Solaris Application Programming, will be joining us for this month's meeting. This is an excellent book for OpenSolaris developers at large. This month we're planning to change the format, in interest of a community meeting where members of the community can be more interactive with each other. The typical format for a user group is to have a 1-2 hour presentation, with questions...and rather than focusing on a large presentation, I'd like to try and have several small presentation, including the members of the community who have helpful or interesting things they're doing on OpenSolaris. I've thought of having several laptops that users could wander around to and watch a short presentation, but not sure we can have that setup this month or not. We will continue meeting in the Mansion, and will try to use the space inside to suite our needs, please join us in this special space and enjoy the company of your fellow OpenSolaris and other open source community members as well. I spoke at the BayLISA meeting last week, and will be speaking at SVLUG on June 4th, and EBLUG on June 18th. I'm inviting other communities to join us, and would like to hear from some of them if they would like to give the community a perspective on the system(s) they use, what they use them for, and/or if they have interest in OpenSolaris. Please feel free to join us, for a drink, a snack, some good open source talk, and a chance to talk to some of the OpenSolaris engineers. Feel free to bring your own bottle, a snack, or something to share if inclined, no entry required so feel free to join us without concern of bringing something. When: Thursday, May 22, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Darryl Gove - Solaris Application Programming Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,$ SVOSUG Project Page, for video: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ If you haven't been to the Mansion before, as you enter the Sun campus on Palm, from Lafayette, the Mansion is the first building on the left, as I recall. There is parking all around, a small lot in the rear, parking on Palm, and a huge lot on the other side of the Auditorium. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Mike DeMarco wrote: Took /opt/csw/lib out of my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it now works. Just one of the many reasons you should never have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in your environment, where it will break all programs, and instead only set it in wrapper scripts around the few broken binaries that actually need it. This quagmire of multiple libraries has plagued Solaris and other systems as well. By having 2, 3, or 4 sets of libraries only offers potential problems to our systems in resolution, as noted above. The delima we face is that most people don't care, in fact, I would guess that many of the Blastwave users don't even KNOW of such dangers, possibly. My point is that most of them don't care and only want working systems with software they run, hence the popularity of Blastwave. As a community I would like to see some best practices and/or reccomended practices of packaging software for OpenSolaris. I don't know if there is anything in OpenSolaris that is dependent on LD_LIBRARY_PATH, at least I would be surprised if there was. But some things could be dependent on crle, a cousin of LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Most of the engineers I know of hate both of those crutches. That seems like a good attribute to subscribe to for our community, not allowing any cross pollination between libraries. I want my libraries in /usr where they belong. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: I do feel that people need a zero barrier to access playground that allows the university student or the guy trapped inside a corp somewhere with no free resources to just jump in and play. Definitely, and I'd even like to see a program in place that could help place old systems that those type of kids might find helpful, to see some additional life. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, James Carlson wrote: I mostly agree with that. I don't envy the owner of that repository -- he's got a tough row to hoe in terms of hosting content of unknown and possibly legally risky origin -- but I don't think the existence of such a place has much to do with this particular case. Exactly, and that is the point. Not only does this relieve the burden of all the Sun process to getting a package into a repository, but it removes the liability from Sun. This seems like a win-win. I think there must be some type of qualification for a package, to submit it, but I don't want any of the Sun process to obstruct anything, especially like Alpine. We should make sure that someone in the community does in fact provide some package to the Alpine page also. In that sense maybe a SysVR4 package is it. The fact that they haven't integrated is unlikely to be due to the ARC (after all, closed means the review is done and approved means it was successful), but you really can't say much about it other than that. As a community member, why should I care. Nothing to stop everyone from having their own repository. Maybe I should do that and just start one of my own. In some instances, the original project team got interrupted by higher-priority work. In other cases the team ran into serious problems with the software itself. I'm sure there are valid reasons, even if his dog ate the sources. The fact is that it was filed 7 months ago and is not integrated. Asserting that a new repository will somehow cover for project teams taking a long time to deliver is just not reasonable. No, that is not it at all. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: Two things : 1) happening : 2 ) working on it : Wow, sounds good. I know a lot of folks use your packages, and I'm sure they will benifit from it greatly. Good stuff! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [arc-discuss] Project planning and ARC/no-ARC integration (was was Alpine, now Exim...)
On Tue, 6 May 2008, Darren Reed wrote: FWIW, I agree with the above - often # ./configure make make install is all I need to do. What I find annoying is when you use some package system (blastwave, pkgsrc, etc) to build a package as they often insist that all of the dependencies must be present rather than some - which defeats the purpose of having ./configure. This is exactly why I would like to see a generic IPS package that could be used by other users, which would include Sun, Shillix, Blastwave, Belinix, etc...that if we have a generic package, all could use with the same free use of it. I was talking to Bart Smaalders some last night at the Indiana party, and since IPS doesn't have a package per se, more control will need to be placed on commit access to such a repository. Al Hopper has mentioned that he is more than happy to setup on genunix.org, and I think that would be a great place to host such a repository. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [arc-discuss] Project planning and ARC/no-ARC integration (was was Alpine, now Exim...)
On Mon, 5 May 2008, Mark Martin wrote: How would you be more helped by an external repository that doesn't have Alpine in it than an internal repository that doesn't have Alpine in it? Mark, In your description here, it wouldn't matter at all. What I was thinking is that we would actually have IPS Alpine in an external repository, any distribution could use such a package, no matter who they are, or community people could have access and use it themself. In either case, a consumer/contributor may not want to wait, or if #3, may not even know a project is already underway. They may want to do as Alan did, and port/build themselves. What do they do with the resulting package? What happens when any of the 3 previous cases complete (possibly creating duplicate packages with incompatible integration/ARC expectation levels)? How can we prevent duplicate efforts? For OpenSolaris it would be up to Sun if they even wanted to use the package. If a package was created through the ARC process currently in place, that package could replace the public IPS, IMO. We only need one official package, if the package has gone through ARC and completed the entire checklist for integration, the would be such a package, IMO. What's the expectation for a contributor (grant or no) who wants to scratch an itch and then make it available for others via a Use-This-if-You-Dare repository? That's the idea of having a public repository. Al Hopper has agreed to host one on genunix.org, and I think that is most fitting. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [arc-discuss] Project planning and ARC/no-ARC integration (was was Alpine, now Exim...)
On Mon, 5 May 2008, James Carlson wrote: You're assuming that the port was complete, and that the bits in the port were put into some suitable format (a package) in order to upload them somewhere. Yes, there will possibly always be this barrier, and it is most likely the best we can do short of someone squirelling off some binaries...I want to see an official package as a whole, one that would be used by other users and distributions in the community. This would allow all such as Sun, Blastwave, Shillix, Belinix, or any other users/distros to use it. It's never as simple as just doing ./configure and make. If it were, then there'd really be no point in having a repository at all, as *anybody* can do that. The entire reason for wanting this. And to have all sources available. Open source software should always have the sources available whenever possible, and distributing the binaries without the sources is something that bothers me very much. It still doesn't help if the original guy working on the problem wasn't _done_ enough to put it anywhere. That's really all we know at this point. Right, and there is no such thing as no entry, IMO, because someone will need to do the work and/or another to verify that the package is up to snuff, IMO. This can be worked out. The main thing is to have a public repository that could function as such. The non-ARC question being asked here is (probably) should we have an external project request/signup dashboard? I think that'd be great to have. Yes, that is it pretty much, in a nutshell. Given that we have no such repository, I think establishing the repository in question (and the rules that govern it) is probably the first important task. It's hard to say what the expectation might be for a process that doesn't exist. Yes, and Al Hopper has agreed to host one on genunix.org, that seems fitting for all users/distros of our community. Al has the hardware, but needs to set something up he mentioned, and I suspect that Al is at JavaOne and busy possible. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, James Carlson wrote: Alan DuBoff writes: I am giving my committment to the Alpine package, which I just compiled and am sending this message with. Paul Jakma had PSARC 2007/609 approved for Alpine. I don't know the current status of it, though. Jim, I'm changing my package from Alpine to Exim. I also run Exim on Solaris as my MTA, to make it more interesting I actually run it on sparc. I will look to see if there's a case for Exim, but I would be surprised for Sun to include Exim and would suspect Postfix before it. I'm going to be creating an Exim package for the community, for both x86 and sparc. Now, I'd like your opinion on this, and I hope I don't get blasted for this, but I'll toss it out there anyway. I believe it is inevitable for the community to have a seperate repository, aside from one that Sun would host. We need a place that doesn't have any ARC, opensourcereviews, or any other association to Sun's process. As we form and create packages, it seems to me that Sun could be a user of community packages, just like anyone else. This would allow the Belinix's, Shillix's, Blastwave's, or anyone else to use these packages without having any type of entry to provide a package. At the Summit the concern came up if someone created a package that was called child-porn, for instance, that there could be liability and that we just can't let anyone add a package. I would like to see people allowed to do that, not that the package could stay or would be valid, my point was that anyone in the community should be able to create any package they want, and maybe this is a bad example using porn as the case in point. More what I would like to see is just a seperated repository from Sun, one without any process at all, the rules and/or how a package is accepted can be determined. I fully support Sun's current system, and I would think in the future I might be able to integrate more software, but I've just started to learn the process. However, I'm ok with keeping whatever Sun has in place and/or continuing to uphold such for Sun's distribution, but I would like to see a separation of the community repository if possible, maybe hosted on genunix.org if Al Hopper is ok with that. Can you offer some insight? Am I way off base here? Should I push for Sun to host the repository? We've already seen a couple things that are in conflict between the community and Sun (i.e., the OpenSolaris name itself as a case in point). I figure that even if Sun does create a repository for such packages, we should have a community repository that has no strings attached. Sun folks can take those and integrate them into whatever distro they like, the community would essentially prepare them for Sun so they could take them and use/qualify them, and I see myself involved in that aspect, possibly, but as a community member I'd like to build and create packages for OpenSolaris myself as others do/will. I will commit to creating Exim for OpenSolaris. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2008, James Carlson wrote: Alan DuBoff writes: I am giving my committment to the Alpine package, which I just compiled and am sending this message with. Paul Jakma had PSARC 2007/609 approved for Alpine. I don't know the current status of it, though. And BTW Jim, this is exactly why I believe we need a seperate repository hosted outside of Sun and in the community. This PSARC case was filed back in October of 2007. We are 7 months from the time of PSARC and the package has not been putback yet. I'm not trying to belittle Sun for the time it takes, I know very well why it takes so long for this stuff. This is an opportunity for the community to create and use the package while Sun ushers it through their own system. We can't have this type of barrier to entry for our community. We will be doomed to failure, IMO, just because we will not be able to keep up with the other open source communities. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] was Alpine, now Exim...
On Mon, 5 May 2008, James Carlson wrote: In this case, no extra repository would have helped. It would have helped me. As it is, I had to go out, get the sources, compile them and it didn't compile the first time straight out of the tarball, I had to try a few different options. The problem was that the person working on the package in question had other commitments. You could find this out by asking the people involved. I'm not even trying to push them, more so just pointing out that nobody in our community has benifited from Alpine, and I had to build it myself and am using it now to send this reply. I think you're entirely misreading the situation. Maybe so, that's why I wanted your opinion. Would like to hear some others. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Alpine for OpenSolaris pkg repository
At the summit yesterday, there was some discussion of creating a repository for OpenSolaris where we could create and put packages. I am giving my committment to the Alpine package, which I just compiled and am sending this message with. For those that do not know, Alpine is the Apache License Pine, which is being worked on up at UofW. The Alpine story: http://www.washington.edu/alpine/overview/story.html I haven't built it on sparc yet though, but feel it's a good idea to have both x86 and sparc builds in our repository. We hadn't talked about that too much at the summit since OpenSolaris doesn't officially support sparc yet, I should have stated my intention is to support both whenever possible. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Alpine for OpenSolaris pkg repository
On Sun, 4 May 2008, Alan DuBoff wrote: At the summit yesterday, there was some discussion of creating a repository for OpenSolaris where we could create and put packages. I am giving my committment to the Alpine package, which I just compiled and am sending this message with. Per a comment from Rich Lowe on the summit IRC, this might be going into Nevada already. That would be good. We should get the package up on the Alpine web site when that happens. In the meantime I'm using the one I just built, even used my pine settings just fine.:-) On my MacBook I always ssh to a server and use pine, but will start using Alpine now. I'll be looking forward to it being in Nevada. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Suggestion: Add VirtualBox guest additions to Nevada and Indiana
On Sat, 3 May 2008, Alan Coopersmith wrote: andrew wrote: Given that Nevada already has mouse and video drivers for VMware, it would seem logical to add the equivalent drivers for VirtualBox to Nevada. It would also be nice to have them in Indiana as well. Is this in the pipeline? Not yet, because no one has asked us for it.I don't know of any reason why not, but would have to ask the VirtualBox guys. The latest version of Virtual Box uses the e1000g for the driver, and I'm under the impression that you can run a VMWare created image under Virtual Box. Get 1.6 which is available on the virtualbox.org site. Maybe this could be a workaround on OpenSolaris? I have to wonder if VMWare shouldn't be the one providing the driver for VMWare, since they are the ones that provide the guest software on OpenSolaris. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Project Nitro, Venue Change to Mansion/SCA07, Thursday 04/24/08
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER Please join us over the web if you can't make it in person, tonight. On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Alan DuBoff wrote: For this month's meeting we have a change of venue, just across the road from the Santa Clara Auditorium, we will be meeting in SCA07, known as the Mansion. This is a very special venue, and I will remind our community that we will be using one of California historical buildings, no different than the auditorium, but this is where the Governor stayed when he visited the Agnew campus. Sun did a wonderful job at restoring this building, and we would like to ensure that we are able to continue using it in the future. As such, please help us tread lightly inside. The rooms are smaller in the Mansion, but there are more than one, so we can spread out if needed. The intent is that it will be easier to manage the lighting for the video and hold the meeting in a different, more intimate setting. The alarm can't be disarmed, so you will need to knock on the door and one of us will open it for you. The Mansion is located almost directly across from the Santa Clara Auditorium, in the smaller building located to the left of the large structure directly across the street. Use the same parking along Palm, and in the parking lots. The Mansion also has an ice machine in the kitchen, where we can host the beverages and snacks for the meeting. The first presentation will be given by Jonathan Chew and Sasha Kolbasov, explaining Project Nitro. Project Nitro was a performance project to speed up the builds, to better parellelize the build process to use the system more efficiently. Build times have dropped down on x86 and sparc both, and I'll let Jonathan and Sasha give real world numbers. I'm seeing about 15-20 percent improvement on x86 and more on sparc myself. Jonathan and Sasha will explain to you how they went about this project, which is most applicable to many processes on OpenSolaris where similar improvements could also be achieved. We will be broadcasting over the web through ustream, and you can get the embedded window on the SVOSUG project page of OpenSolaris.org. Please join us over the web if you can't make it in person. When: Thursday, April 24, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Project Nitro, better performance with better parellelization Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Web: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ Hope to see you there, and if not, hope you see us! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Project Nitro, Venue Change to Mansion/SCA07, Thursday 04/24/08
For this month's meeting we have a change of venue, just across the road from the Santa Clara Auditorium, we will be meeting in SCA07, known as the Mansion. This is a very special venue, and I will remind our community that we will be using one of California historical buildings, no different than the auditorium, but this is where the Governor stayed when he visited the Agnew campus. Sun did a wonderful job at restoring this building, and we would like to ensure that we are able to continue using it in the future. As such, please help us tread lightly inside. The rooms are smaller in the Mansion, but there are more than one, so we can spread out if needed. The intent is that it will be easier to manage the lighting for the video and hold the meeting in a different, more intimate setting. The alarm can't be disarmed, so you will need to knock on the door and one of us will open it for you. The Mansion is located almost directly across from the Santa Clara Auditorium, in the smaller building located to the left of the large structure directly across the street. Use the same parking along Palm, and in the parking lots. The Mansion also has an ice machine in the kitchen, where we can host the beverages and snacks for the meeting. The first presentation will be given by Jonathan Chew and Sasha Kolbasov, explaining Project Nitro. Project Nitro was a performance project to speed up the builds, to better parellelize the build process to use the system more efficiently. Build times have dropped down on x86 and sparc both, and I'll let Jonathan and Sasha give real world numbers. I'm seeing about 15-20 percent improvement on x86 and more on sparc myself. Jonathan and Sasha will explain to you how they went about this project, which is most applicable to many processes on OpenSolaris where similar improvements could also be achieved. We will be broadcasting over the web through ustream, and you can get the embedded window on the SVOSUG project page of OpenSolaris.org. Please join us over the web if you can't make it in person. When: Thursday, April 24, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA07, the Mansion) What: Project Nitro, better performance with better parellelization Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4070+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Web: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ Hope to see you there, and if not, hope you see us! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: starfish
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Ada wrote: Project Proposal:starfish The Starfish project's primary goal is to create synergy between OpenSolaris and NetBeans / Sun Studio, by leveraging the NetBeans / Sun Studio IDE to assist with OpenSolaris driver and kernel development. +1 if it hasn't been done yet. The sponsoring community group would be the Device Drivers group. About starfish: Starfish is an add-in module for NetBeans / SunStudio which currently features * scsi hba, nic and raid hba device driver generation from wizard * device driver package and ITU image generation * GUI environment for remote machine kernel level debugging * OpenSolaris source code download and update * OpenSolaris manpage searching * nightly build configuration and invocation * installation DVD creation with new / updated drivers For the next prototype we expect to add * source code cross reference search * sata hba driver engine * many more sample drivers * enhanced integration with debugging tools * driver source code checking Could I create a new project page on Device Driver Community? Thanks, Ada ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Introduction to FMAC, Thursday 03/27/08
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER This meeting is tonight at 7:30pm, 6 hours from now (aprox). I screwed up and bad put 3/28 on the original message, but most know we meet on Thurs. Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. Please join us on the web if you're not local, for tonight's meeting. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [SVOSUG] Introduction to FMAC, Thursday 03/28/08 This month's meeting brings us John Weeks to speak about a new and interesting technology for OpenSolaris. You will hear about the Flexible Mandatory Access Control, a recent project which seeks to add the Flux Advanced Security Kernel (Flask) architecture and Type Enforcement (TE) to OpenSolaris. Joining John Weeks as a leader of this project is Stephen Smalley, the architect of Flask/TE. FMAC can be read about on the OpenSolaris website at: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fmac/ John Weeks works in the SunFed division of Sun Microsystems, and some of you might recognize his name. He was the other engineer that worked with me to assist in bringing OpenOffice and Mozilla products to Solaris x86 before Sun was able to provide them in the base operating system. Things have changed, but John has been there in the trenches trying to provide the community with better software. FMAC shows promise as being yet another great technology which John is trying to bring to your OpenSolaris systems. In addtition to John's presention, I will be giving a short presentation on a QuickStart docment which John created to assist folks in being able to install, setup the tools, grab the sources, build, and install OpenSolaris to an existing system. I will be putting the document up on Genunix soon under a wiki so that we can all add and tailor this document to accomodate the various communities at large. This is targeted as a QuickStart specific, not as a comprehensive document. Look for this OpenSolaris Build QuickStart coming to a wiki near you soon! When: Thursday, March 28, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Introduction to Flexible Mandatory Access Control (FMAC) Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Web: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ Hope to see you there, and if not, hope you see us! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Introduction to FMAC, Thursday 03/28/08
This month's meeting brings us John Weeks to speak about a new and interesting technology for OpenSolaris. You will hear about the Flexible Mandatory Access Control, a recent project which seeks to add the Flux Advanced Security Kernel (Flask) architecture and Type Enforcement (TE) to OpenSolaris. Joining John Weeks as a leader of this project is Stephen Smalley, the architect of Flask/TE. FMAC can be read about on the OpenSolaris website at: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/fmac/ John Weeks works in the SunFed division of Sun Microsystems, and some of you might recognize his name. He was the other engineer that worked with me to assist in bringing OpenOffice and Mozilla products to Solaris x86 before Sun was able to provide them in the base operating system. Things have changed, but John has been there in the trenches trying to provide the community with better software. FMAC shows promise as being yet another great technology which John is trying to bring to your OpenSolaris systems. In addtition to John's presention, I will be giving a short presentation on a QuickStart docment which John created to assist folks in being able to install, setup the tools, grab the sources, build, and install OpenSolaris to an existing system. I will be putting the document up on Genunix soon under a wiki so that we can all add and tailor this document to accomodate the various communities at large. This is targeted as a QuickStart specific, not as a comprehensive document. Look for this OpenSolaris Build QuickStart coming to a wiki near you soon! When: Thursday, March 28, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Introduction to Flexible Mandatory Access Control (FMAC) Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Web: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/svosug/ Hope to see you there, and if not, hope you see us! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Update on Virtualization along with OpenSolaris Governance! Tonight! 02/28
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER This month we have a very special meeting which brings Tim Marsland and Todd Clayton are back at SVOSUG giving an update on Virtualization. With Virtual Box on the scene, the OpenSolaris virtual solutions provide more and better ways to connect OpenSolaris to other environments. This is a very exciting space and both Tim and Todd have both been instrumental in driving virtualization in OpenSolaris. Along with this special update on virtualization, we will also have Ben Rockwood, community member and long supporter of OpenSolaris, speaking on OpenSolaris Governance. Ben is always entertaining to listen to, and has been involved in the OGB, so I'd like to welcome Ben to give his perspective. We will be broadcasting over the web through ustream.tv, and hope to have things running a bit smoother this month. We hope to have 2 cameras with one providing an overview of the meeting, and the other will pan/zoom. Please feel free to ask questions through the chat, you do not have to be registered or logged in to use it. When: Thursday, February 28, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: OpenSolaris Update on Virtualization Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm PST http://ustream.tv/channel/svosug http://ustream.tv/channel/svosug-presentation -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Update on Virtualization along with OpenSolaris Governance! 02/28
This month we have a very special meeting which brings Tim Marsland and Todd Clayton are back at SVOSUG giving an update on Virtualization. With Virtual Box on the scene, the OpenSolaris virtual solutions provide more and better ways to connect OpenSolaris to other environments. This is a very exciting space and both Tim and Todd have both been instrumental in driving virtualization in OpenSolaris. Along with this special update on virtualization, we will also have Ben Rockwood, community member and long supporter of OpenSolaris, speaking on OpenSolaris Governance. Ben is always entertaining to listen to, and has been involved in the OGB, so I'd like to welcome Ben to give his perspective. We will be broadcasting over the web through ustream.tv, and hope to have things running a bit smoother this month. We hope to have 2 cameras with one providing an overview of the meeting, and the other will pan/zoom. Please feel free to ask questions through the chat, you do not have to be registered or logged in to use it. When: Thursday, February 28, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: OpenSolaris Update on Virtualization Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm http://ustream.tv/channel/svosug http://ustream.tv/channel/svosug-presentation -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] open ae driver and the closed pcn(7D) driver
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Dennis Clarke wrote: My problems were with SXDE and SXCE and Indiana and Solaris 8 x86 and Solaris 10 8/07 on the exact same hardware. In all cases the ae driver worked perfectly. At least, near as I can quantifiably measure and qualitatively report. Can I ask what exactly you installed? Did you install the ae package as it is built on Murayama's site? Did you recompile it, and if so, did you change any of the default settings as the package is shipped? -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Solaris 10 / OpenSolaris Industrial PC
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, David Clack wrote: BTW no sound chip on this system. Amaybe if they have a SATA version, the chipset will have the HD audio device...:-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Solaris 10 / OpenSolaris Industrial PC
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, David Clack wrote: Hi All, Just wondered if I could get a quick poll on the need for a 24V DC 1U industrial PLC. How many actual watts does it draw when idle? I agree with the other comments, SATA would be preferred. John Weeks did a presie not long ago and showed a small ASUS mobo, nvidia graphics, running on compact flash, but it had SATA on it. If this was available with 24vdc, that would be nice... This system you've listed doesn't look too bad, and it does have Intel, the other preferred video, IMO. Too bad they didn't use another chipset that had the Intel SATA on it though...:-( Do they have another model with SATA on it? -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will KDE4 .spec files be merged / contributed to SFE as well?
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Glynn Foster wrote: I agree it would be *awesome* to see - but anything that makes it easier to get KDE for Indiana or any of the other distributions gets my vote. That seems to be a surprise, not long ago I remember hearing that Indiana would include no part of KDE whatsoever. Ian had made that pretty clear. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will KDE4 .spec files be merged / contributed to SFE as well?
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Glynn Foster wrote: While GNOME may end up being the default desktop, absolutely no reason why KDE packages should be a single pkg install away. Choice is good - even for derivative distributions where KDE is that default desktop. Oh, I agree with you 100%, but just surprised to hear that change of position. I use KDE for my desktop and have for quite a number of years before I joined Sun. I am also looking foward to a single pkg install away, over the wire. KDE has never had Sun's blessing, and so be it. The community will make it work, that is what open source is about. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will KDE4 .spec files be merged / contributed to SFE as well?
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Glynn Foster wrote: While GNOME may end up being the default desktop, absolutely no reason why KDE packages should be a single pkg install away. Choice is good - even for derivative distributions where KDE is that default desktop. Glynn, Not directly related, but what is Indiana's plans for sparc? I notice that most communities are not focused on or working on sparc, and as such, much of it doesn't have support. I know that we do plans to have a working KDE for sparc, but Xorg, as an example doesn't have sparc support (thankfully we have x86 support, a big round of applause go to the x86 Xorg team for that;-), nor do many of the distributions such as Nexenta, or I think Indiana is not supporting it first round at least. sparc is going to have a tough future for open source, most communities are not worried about it. I guess this means that sparc systems will be relegated to running Sun's Solaris product. I see that as the lid on the coffin starting to close...lack of open source is going to bite hard. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [kde-discuss] Will KDE4 .spec files be merged / contributed to SFE as well?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Shawn Walker wrote: One of the major points of having a tool like ips is to allow easy installation of software from other sources. That's my point. How will you install software that doesn't exist? I guess I could nickname you merlin...:-/ -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Jan. Meeting, Indian Preview 1
Hope all had a great New Year in the OpenSolaris community, this year has prospects of being a great years for us, and I hope we can continue to bring good content to the community. We can all help each other with sharing the information better. I will not be opening the call-in phone, since we will be broadcasting over ustream.tv instead. I do not see a reason to use the toll free call-in as I am charged for the usage, and I think we're better off with ustream.tv. If you really have no other means and do want to call-in on the toll free number, let me know and I'll start it, otherwise let's forge foward and move to the inet. This also allows everyone to join in all countries, with an internet connection. We are working out some of the rough edges, but hope to leverage more video this year, and please provide feedback in the chat area. One of the nice things about the chat is that we can do that while the presentation is going on. Please offer your comments and questions, we can pass them on to the speaker, and collaborate together online while the meeting is going on. This months SVOSUG will be a live demonstration and discussion of the Indiana preview 1 installation, configuration and upgrade. Indiana is a live CD and repository model that allows a machine to be easily installed while also providing a user profile that is more familiar to Linux users. The presentation will be given by James Hughes, Fellow and VP of Sun Microsystems. Currently James is the CTO of the Solaris Operating System. He has developed products, standards and published papers in the areas of Storage, Networking, Security and Cryptography. He is formerly with StorageTek, Network Systems and Control Data Corp, and has over 32 years in the computer industry. For more information see: http://research.sun.com/people/hughes When: Thursday, January 24, 2008 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Indiana Preview 1 Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Web: http://ustream.tv/channel/svosug Hope to see you there, and if not, hope you see us! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [kde-discuss] KDE4 OpenSolaris Presentation and BoF : Wednesday January 16th 4:00PM (fwd)
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave a presentation to BOSUG on KDE4/OpenSolaris. It is available (in .pdf format) from here http://manishchaks.googlepages.com/KDE4.pdf Hi Manish, That is a really sexy show! Yes, it looks nice. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] flar install error
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Aubrey Li wrote: Thanks for the info! Certainly, this bug is not fixed on nevada. Developers may need this feature to backup their system. Possibly, I'm not clear where flar will go in the future. ZFS offers a lot of functionality with snapshots and I have heard that the new packaging system will use snapshots when it applies packages/patches to the system. There could be much better technology in the future in the way of backup/restore/rollback capability. For myself I typically don't change too much in /usr, I try to keep most of my changes in my home directory. I have never liked how the Solaris install has handled filesystem sizes, but caiman is much better, and ZFS changes the landscape quite a bit. Because the filesystem may be corrupted by a developing mistake and becomes un-recoverable, flash archive is a way to re-install the original system. Sometimes it's good to mount drivers out of /tmp when doing development so you can reboot without reloading the driver, should there be a problem. Other times it's unavoidable when developing a filesystem driver...:-/ Anyway, the workaround works, that's fine, ;-) You might want to look into Live Upgrade also, if you're worried about having a backup, you could be back and running in little time more than a reboot, could have multiple OpenSolaris boot partitions for more than one build and it will take your changes and move them forward when you keep upgrading. I used to use it for having Solaris 10 and nevada on the same system...one caveat, you can only go forward, there is no Live Downgrade. This means you can't take a nevada system and take it back to S10, for instance, nor even build 80 and go back to 79, technically. I don't know if LU will allow you to do that... -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] flar install error
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Aubrey Li wrote: Yes, this is a known bug if you are using x86 and GUI installation. See below: x86: Solaris Installation GUI Might Fail When You Install Solaris Flash Archive (6208656) I have known about this bug for a long time, that's one of the bugs I filed. I don't know if it will be fixed, since caiman/dwarf will change the landscape. If you use a text console install, the archive works fine. There used to be another problem creating the flash archive, where the optimized libraries that are mounted could create an archive that was only installable to similar hardware. IOW, if you created on 64-bit x86 (amd64, appologees to Intel;-), it would have the optimized libc.so.1, and would install to another 64-bit system and run fine, but if you tried to install to a 32-bit, it wouldn't. I believe that Bill Kucharski fixed that and I tested it a while ago...the workaround to create it was umount the optimized libc.so.1 when creating. I think flarcreate handles that now, but it's been so long since I have created flash archives, I'm not positive. I used to create flash archives when there was more need for them, nowdays Solaris has much of the software that I used to setup and configure in the system, like OpenOffice/StarOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Flash, RealPlayer, etc...we even have wifi these days.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] KDE4 OpenSolaris Presentation and BoF : Wednesday January 16th 4:00PM (fwd)
I want to give the community an opportunity to watch this presentation tommorow, Wednesday, January 16th at 4:00pm PST (aprox. 20 hours from the time I send this message). Adriaan DeGroot, Vice President, The KDE Foundation board will be giving a presentation at Sun, while he is in town for the KDE 4 release on Friday. If you have time, please tune into this live broadcast on my ustream.tv page for this presentation at: http://ustream.tv/channel/kde-opensolaris-presentation Anyone can watch, just go to the link with a flash supported system (by default OpenSolaris (SXCE) has the flash plugin installed by default for Firefox. There is also a chat, if you have any specific questions you will be able to ask them while you're watching, and we can field them to Adriaan. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:10:23 -0500 From: Stefan Teleman To: Cc: Subject: KDE4 OpenSolaris Presentation and BoF : Wednesday January 16th 4:00PM Hello everyone: I have reserved The Presidio room (MPK17 - 3507) from 4:00PM - 5:30PM, this Wednesday, January 16th 2008. You are cordially invited to attend. Adriaan DeGroot (Vice President, The KDE Foundation Board) will be presenting. Please forward this invitation to anyone you might think would be interested. --Stefan -- Stefan Teleman Sun Microsystems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Wine Community for OpenSolaris?
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008, Victor wrote: I like this idea very much... as was said before, WINE is the most used option to bring windows' software to linux (as per desktoplinux's survey: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html , way over VMware and VBox) and in some way is like seeing the decade-lost WABI back to Solaris :P There was a guy that had been building it on Solaris for quite a time, I think Robert Milkowski possibly (sp?). I think he's in Australia. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] afely shinking M$ XP partition?
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, Steven Stallion wrote: Alan DuBoff wrote: This is good to know. Although I haven't got a new system in quite some time, and don't have any with Vista (most of my systems don't even have windows on them;-). This could save me a lot of time/grief when I do run across one. The one that gives me fits is the MacBook, I have boot camp on mine and can't get the firmware upgraded (have followed the online page at Apple for boot camp, but it didn't work for me to upgrade the firmware). +1 I have had fits with my MacBook Pro as well. It seems that any time I attempt to resize my BootCamp NTFS partition (XP Pro) I end up bricking the entire partition table. Steve, I tried to create the bootable CD that was reccomended on the Mac webpage, so upgrade the firmware, but have not been successful in several tries. I keep getting an update notice for the newer firmware, but it always fails to install. I hate to have to reformat my MacBook just to upgrade the firmware from 1.1 to 1.2. Truth be told, I can function fine on Mac OSX, all I need is wifi (which coincidentally always works for me) and I can ssh to my server and have a true Solaris terminal, no VMs of any type, just a true Solaris terminal. I've used GParted with a fair amount of success on other hardware - I wonder if the newer GUID partitioning scheme used with the intel mac's have something to do with it. I think it has to do with how OSX handles the EFI lables possibly. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] afely shinking M$ XP partition?
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Moinak Ghosh wrote: The latest GParted having ntfsprogs 1.3.1.1 is able to successfully resize Vista Partitions. I have tried it several times without problems. Vista's built-in utility has a limitation on how much it can resize due to system files at the end of the partition being in use. This is good to know. Although I haven't got a new system in quite some time, and don't have any with Vista (most of my systems don't even have windows on them;-). This could save me a lot of time/grief when I do run across one. The one that gives me fits is the MacBook, I have boot camp on mine and can't get the firmware upgraded (have followed the online page at Apple for boot camp, but it didn't work for me to upgrade the firmware). -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] afely shinking M$ XP partition?
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Pawel Wojcik wrote: Is it safe to shrink M$ XP partition using Symantc's Partition Magic? I got the laptop with XP pre-installed and want to make room on the disk for Solaris and Fedora. There are many references on Internet to Partition Magic as THE tool to resize the disk partition where XP resides, but there are also not so good remarks about the quality of this operation. It should be. Partition Magic (8.0) that I've tried doesn't work on any of the Vista systems, and those require some other utility on Vista which is included. I have never had a system with Vista though. XP should be fine with Partition Magic. Although I have recovery disks (just in case...) I wouldn't like to go through the restore process (if something goes wrong), just to start everything from scratch again. Any advice (tested)? What type of system is it? Is it a laptop? I would use Partition Magic if it has XP on it. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: As my dad always said, Actions speak louder than words. Demonstrate your commitment to getting star integrated by your deed rather than your e-mails. +1 for your Dad's community project!G -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Multilevel Web Services w/Trusted Extensions, Tonight!
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER Sorry for a late notice and due to the holiday schedule we're having our meeting a week late (Dec. meeting will be 1 week early also next month). We are pleased to announce John Weeks, presenting Multilevel Web Services which utilize Trusted Extentions on OpenSolaris. Have you ever wanted to dynamically display data in a web browser, depending on which user is logged in? This is a very interesting aspect of security, and one that presents a lot of opportunity for folks to implement in their own applications. What is nice about this is that it uses sources that are being distributed through OpenSolaris, which leverage the JINI technology. John Weeks will explain how he implemented such services, and will show you how you the nuts and bolts of how it is accomplished. As a bonus, should time permit, John Weeks will also bring along a mini-ITX system which runs Solaris 10u3 on a compact flash card. This is a standard off the shelf system, utilizing about $300 worth of parts to form a system that runs on a typical 4gb compact flash card. This system is very quiet, has low cost, and with OpenSolaris a high reliability. If you have been interested in putting together such a system, you will definitely be interested in seeing this small box. When: Thursday, November 29, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Multilevel Web Services Utilizing Trusted Extentions Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm If you can't be there in person, please feel free to call-in. Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Hope to see you there! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Multilevel Web Services w/Trusted Extentions, Nov. 29th
Sorry for a late notice and due to the holiday schedule we're having our meeting a week late (Dec. meeting will be 1 week early also next month). We are pleased to announce John Weeks, presenting Multilevel Web Services which utilize Trusted Extentions on OpenSolaris. Have you ever wanted to dynamically display data in a web browser, depending on which user is logged in? This is a very interesting aspect of security, and one that presents a lot of opportunity for folks to implement in their own applications. What is nice about this is that it uses sources that are being distributed through OpenSolaris, which leverage the JINI technology. John Weeks will explain how he implemented such services, and will show you how you the nuts and bolts of how it is accomplished. As a bonus, should time permit, John Weeks will also bring along a mini-ITX system which runs Solaris 10u3 on a compact flash card. This is a standard off the shelf system, utilizing about $300 worth of parts to form a system that runs on a typical 4gb compact flash card. This system is very quiet, has low cost, and with OpenSolaris a high reliability. If you have been interested in putting together such a system, you will definitely be interested in seeing this small box. When: Thursday, November 29, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Multilevel Web Services Utilizing Trusted Extentions Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm If you can't be there in person, please feel free to call-in. Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Hope to see you there! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] OSS Integration into OpenSolaris, *Tonight*. 10/25
*** REMINDER *** REMINDER *** REMINDER *** REMINDER *** Tonight, Silicon Valley OpenSolaris User Group is proud to announce, Dev Mazumdar of 4-Front Technologies speaking on the opensound integration into OpenSolaris. Find out the details from Dev himself, and find out what type of audio support OSS will add to OpenSolaris. It was not long ago we had very little audio on Solaris, and today we have pretty good support. But there is still a lot of nice features that we're missing. Join us and find out for yourself just what some of those capabilities are, the schedule to putback, what has been done, and what still needs to be done. Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4030+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Santa Clara Campus Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf Hope to see you there! When: Thursday, October 25, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: OSS Integration into OpenSolaris Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm If you can't be there in person, please feel free to call-in. Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 You can get the slides here: http://blogs.sun.com/aland/resource/svosug-oss-1007.odp -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] OSS Integration into OpenSolaris, this Thurs. 10/25
This Thursday, Silicon Valley OpenSolaris User Group is proud to announce, Dev Mazumdar of 4-Front Technologies speaking on the opensound integration into OpenSolaris. Find out the details from Dev himself, and find out what type of audio support OSS will add to OpenSolaris. It was not long ago we had very little audio on Solaris, and today we have pretty good support. But there is still a lot of nice features that we're missing. Join us and find out for yourself just what some of those capabilities are, the schedule to putback, what has been done, and what still needs to be done. Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4030+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,$ Santa Clara Campus Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf Hope to see you there! When: Thursday, October 25, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: OSS Integration into OpenSolaris Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm If you can't be there in person, please feel free to call-in. Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Reflections from the GSoC Mentor's summit
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Darren Reed wrote: On Saturday, I walked over to the googleplex to attend the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. This is for all of the mentors from GSoC projects to get together and reflect on what worked, what didn't work, etc. sniparoo Darren, This is really good information. I think that the folks at Sun who are working on OpenSolaris as their job title should consider this feedback very valuable and try to do similar with OpenSolaris projects. Surprising they haven't done similar already, but what do I know...I'm just a no-op.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Porting OpenSolaris To OLPC XO AMD Geode Laptops
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, David Clack wrote: Solaris runs very well on this :-) http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3800.htm AMD Geode is an X86. Dave Dave, Yes, I think this type of hardware is good for OpenSolaris, the 256MB of Systems Memory allow it to run, and as you note it runs quite well. If we have any of these units inside of Sun, I'd sure like to get my hands on one of them. I'm currently working to certify and putback the Via RHINE 10/100 Fast Ethernet driver, and I would love to test/certify it with the VT6103 if possible. I currently have the vfe completely tested for i386 using one of the slightly older IGoLogic Java systems (don't ask me why they called it a Java system, but they did, maybe they knew SUNW would change to JAVA;-). Do you know of any of these geode devices internal? There's some Intel devices based on the Celeron also, as I recall, with small footprints. I see those have a 2.5 hard drive in the 3850PS, but it looks like that might be a little bit bigger. I'd love to get one for certification if possible, and to ensure that OpenSolaris works correctly with the VT6103 chipset which is onboard those. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Porting OpenSolaris To OLPC XO AMD Geode Laptops
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, Brandorr wrote: Not happening. You only have 1G of storage. Solaris would need some serious trimming to fit. (And maybe compression). With 256M of RAM it would be crazy.. Here Linux really is the best choice. (The eee on the other hand, might be doable). I would say Linux is the better choice, but only because embedded Linux has been stripped down and made to fit in those types of environments. The old mini-root used to load on a 64mb USB and boot from it, with a little bit to spare. If one was to incorporate BusyBox you can certainly get a working system in 1G, IMO. To give you an idea of how small Linux will fit into though, I worked on an embedded Linux device that Linux would boot and run in 8MB of ROM, 8MB of NAND, and 16MB of memory. That would be very difficult for Solaris. However, 256mb of memory and 1gig of storage, I think it would be doable. As to who could do it, what about the person that was asking?:-/ You've got the sources.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Kernel TCP/IP evolution, Thurs., Sept. 27th, 7:30pm (fwd)
REMINDER REMINDER REMINDER ATS Slides are at this link: http://blogs.sun.com/aland/resource/ats-svosug.pdf Will link for Kernel TCP/IP evolution presie when available. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [SVOSUG] Kernel TCP/IP evolution, Thurs., Sept. 27th, 7:30pm This Thursday, Silicon Valley OpenSolaris User Group is proud to have Erik Nordmark back, one of Sun's Distinguished Engineers giving a presentation on the Kernel TCP/IP evolution. There's a lot of nice stuff that is going on in the OpenSolaris kernel in regards to networking, with efforts to make the code more understandable, lower the latency, and a variety of API changes including the Crossbow technology that will bring virtual NICs. We have been fortunate to hear about some of this technology. Some has gone back recentely, and some will be putback shortly. Erik spoke on IP instances about a year ago, and Sunay Tripathi spoke on Crossbow just before that. These technologies also play an important role with Xen, which went back in build 75. In addition, Tom Kirkley, of the compiler group will be giving a short presentation on the Automatic Tuning and Troubleshooting System (ATS) which is a binary reoptimization and recompilation tool that be be used for tuning and troubleshooting applications, without the use of the original source code. Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4030+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Santa Clara Campus Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf Hope to see you there! When: Thursday, Sept 27, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Kernel TCP/IP Evolution, ATS Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] gani driver problem
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Mike DeMarco wrote: the rge driver that is now included with the solaris builds says that it supports my chip set yet if I leave it enabled during the install the install hangs at configuring interface rge0. I had to go into grub in the start of the install and add disable-rge=true. This got build 72 loaded and installed on my MSI M675 laptop. After the install I tried to bring up the rge0 interface and it would plumb and configure all parameters but no packets would be sent or received. I was unable to get the interface to show any errors or to work. I removed the rge driver and installed the gani driver and other than the above mentioned problem it works. Ok, this clears several of my questions. It's hard to tell what is going on, but often laptops will share interrupts on devices, I don't know if that is happening or not. Sometimes /usr/X11/bin/scanpci will give some clues. Are there are options in BIOS for the device? I'm not familiar with that laptop, unfortunately. In some cases changing acpi-user-options=0x8 might help, but that is just speculation, you might have tried that already. Clearly the real problem here is that the rge driver doesn't attach to your device properly. If there is a conflict with another device, it might be possible to disable that device and leave the rge enabled. The fact that the gani driver also has problems with your device is pointing to the hardware and/or something unique about it. Just what that is I'm not sure. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [mdb-discuss] using kernel CTF with raw disk
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, OK. I figured out how to get my blog stuff working in English, so you can also read about the modified mdb on my blog, http://mbruning.blogspot.com/ max This is very nice! I didn't know you had all this info, very cool stuff. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like Adobe (née MacroMedia) flashplayer vs Acroread for x86[1]. Casper [1] Perhaps the mention of Acroread for x86 should be an amendment to Godwin's law. Please toss GPL (at least on the OpenSolaris list;-) in that amendment also.g -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as well. Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: * If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that has open specifications. That's why. Nvidia has the nv driver, it's open. I suspect ATI will do similar and give a water'd down version of their driver, not giving much at all out to the communities. ATI on the other hand has had crap. Superblitz graphics accelerators which had crap for drivers, so much so even Windows users complained how crappy it was. Sorry, but people that have a strong background in 3D hardware disagree with you. Read some of the articles on www.beyond3d.com. You'll discover that ATi's hardware is often superior in design to nVidia's from a technical standpoint. However, their drivers have often disappointed. Actually, most agree that ATI has not been a stellar company in regards to listening to the customer and/or providing them with specs to any of their hardware. I would say their track record speaks for themself. nVidia doesn't have bad things and I will freely admit that, but ATi has has good hardware now for a long time. (See XBOX 360 Xenos chips, etc.) XBOX...isn't hat a mini-van by Scion?:-/ That is good hardware? The XBOX? Is there an open source driver for it? I think not... Yes, and nVidia never lifted a finger for the PowerPC Linux community, etc. and has always refused to provide the specifications necessary for 3D to be available at all on their hardware for platforms that they don't care about. But how is ATI any different? The only difference is that ATI might ask for more $$$s than Nvidia from a company like Sun. There's plenty of blame to flung around at various companies. Suffice to say though that if ATi/AMD follows through on their promises, they deserve to be commended. If they do not, they deserve an equal amount of shame. Suffice to say...take a gander at thier earnings...and their Senior Vice Pres of worldwide sales left yesterday because: Rick decided to leave because he felt the regional model was not a good fit for him moving forward, given the role he would like to play leading a more centralized global sales force, an AMD spokesman said in a statement. I have heard of several folks leaving AMD, the bleeding seems pretty bad over there...why does their SVP of worldwide sales leave the week before they're supposed to announce Barcelona? They also lost their EVP of Chief Sales and Marketing a couple weeks ago...filed in their 8-k on Aug. 23rd... From the average user, something smells fishy at AMD...but if that's not enough, the analysts don't have too optimistic of a view on AMD...at least not from their estimates...:-/ http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ae?s=AMD -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Yeah, and the current situation has worked so well so far. dribble snip'd Look, let's just end this conversation on this list, and get back to OpenSolaris. It's pretty clear that you don't know WTF you're talking about when it comes to Sun's business, so please don't litter up this list with comments like you've been making. Let's spare the list with some of that diatribe. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 10:31 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as well. Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases. But cases where Sun should have used Nvidia instead. Have you been designing/architecting systems for a long time? I don't know what they could or could not have done, I do know that Sun has been manufacturing and selling systems for quite a while. They seem to know something about what they're doing. Granted, Sun is having some hard times over the past few years, BFD, name me one company that hasn't seen at least some tough times over the past few years other than Google, they seem to be the one exception to the norm in the industry. Folks that have been inside Google know that they certainly are not without fault. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] A big PCFS change in the pipeline
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Hmm, interesting, having seen all the weird and crazy crap which money is dedicated to, you'll think that scraping a few thousand for pcfs wouldn't be too much of a big request. Too bad you're not running Sun. It would be so much easier to get resources with a guy like you, you're willing to fund just about anything that seems useful. Of course you probably would have a hard time jugglin' the balance sheets at the end of the day, but you could probably get away with that for at least a quarter (i.e., 3 months) before the shareholders started to ask WTF you were doing...;-) Unless sun management rattle their dags and demand specifications from Microsoft (under the agreement they signed with them) you'll probably have to wait till Windows Vista SP1 is released before being able to dissect it. Couldn't someone like you reverse engineer it? Why always put the onus on Sun's management? They don't even do the development.;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Can Solaris Express Developer Edition be used to build OpenSolaris so
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Evan Christopher Henry wrote: Is there any follow up to this? Is it confirmed you can build OpenSolaris from the developer edition? Yes. You'll need to download it seperatly though. The SunStudio is included on the DVD. The first cut of the new installer is there, for those that select the Developer Express install. If you want to compiler software you should install that to get the tools, and then you'll only need to modify your environment. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and the only one who would truly come out worse would be AMD - as AMD partners would question the basis of any relationship with them. I don't know...seems that when you're playing CEO on the internet, you could toss them some chump change and open that relationship, so both Sun and AMD came out looking like heros. No? After all, it's the internet, can't we just make it end how we want?;-) -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote: So it would seem: http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a heartbeat. No offense to Intel for the great stuff they've done, but they just don't compete performance-wise... I agree with the second comment there, Intel's approach not only seems better but they're coming through with their promises. We have DRI for Intel chipsets for OpenSolaris today. This was due to Intel providing some specs and info to Sun. My hat is off to them. Also, in the past ATI has had different drivers for open source and for proprietary, AFAIK, and the performance has never been great for the open source version. I would be skeptical of this cat/mouse game. ATI/AMD have told Sun they would provide specs, but if they have it would be as of very recent. The fact that they're a partner to Sun and have not been able to provide such information makes me skeptical of anything written up on LWN, my $0.02. IMO, this is just another act of desparation, and I reccomend ATI only as a last resort. I've been very pleased with the nvidia driver that we have. While it is not open source, it works really well.wink -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Desktop Update - *TONIGHT* Thurs. August 23rd SCA03 7:30pm
A reminder that tonight is the SVOSUG meeting. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan DuBoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [SVOSUG] Desktop Update - Thurs. August 23rd SCA03 7:30pm It's that time of month for the SVOSUG meeting again, and we have something a little different than our normal type meetings, and as of recent I've been getting requests to show compiz at the user group meeting and/or show it running on Solaris/OpenSolaris. This month we'll be doing an presentation on the Desktop, where have we come from, what we have, and where will we go. To help in presenting that will be Alan Coopersmith (OGB) and Stuart Kreitman from the X team, with myself to possibly do some fill-in and/or show my laptop which is running build 70 with compiz. I will also show a brief demo of the Network Auto-Magic in action, hopefully we'll have active wifi as we have had. When: Thursday, Augutst 23, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Desktop Update Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Sun provided PDF: Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4030+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Hope to see you there! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Adobe Acrobat for Solaris x86
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/acroread/2007/08/launching_the_adobe_reader_on.html It's time to get the ball rolling for the much awaited blog for Adobe Reader on Unix platforms. The purpose of this blog is to provide a platform for developers and the users of the product to share ideas, experiences and feedback about the product for the benefit of everyone. Posted by Gaurav Jain on August 23, 2007 02:30 PM I personally consider that when we get an AcroRead on x86, we will know that Sun has pulled themselves out of the ashes from the dot-bomb... As it is, the x86 platform is quite a different landscape on Solaris that it was only a couple or three years ago...it's made remarkable improvements. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] [SVOSUG] Desktop Update - Thurs. August 23rd SCA03 7:30pm
It's that time of month for the SVOSUG meeting again, and we have something a little different than our normal type meetings, and as of recent I've been getting requests to show compiz at the user group meeting and/or show it running on Solaris/OpenSolaris. This month we'll be doing an presentation on the Desktop, where have we come from, what we have, and where will we go. To help in presenting that will be Alan Coopersmith (OGB) and Stuart Kreitman from the X team, with myself to possibly do some fill-in and/or show my laptop which is running build 70 with compiz. I will also show a brief demo of the Network Auto-Magic in action, hopefully we'll have active wifi as we have had. When: Thursday, Augutst 23, 2007 Where: Sun's Santa Clara Campus Auditorium (SCA03 upstairs) What: Desktop Update Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm Sun provided PDF: Map: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/resources/aland/scasj_dirmap.pdf Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=4030+George+Sellon+Circle,+Santa+Clara,+CA+95054ie=UTF8z=16om=1iwloc=addr Call-in Info Toll Free: 866-545-5227 Intnl/pay: 865-673-6950 Conference: 809-64-14 Hope to see you there! -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Michael Huff wrote: Is it that simple? Sun paid money to SCO to license IP (of some form) relating to Unix -why would they do that if they already owned the rights to it? Insurance? While I don't know exactly what they did with SCO, in a world of litigation, a little extra insurance probably couldn't hurt. Since SCO had no right to enter into the deal, and had no authority to assign rights, wouldn't that essentially invalidate the deal -and therefore leave Sun as vulnerable as they were before the made that agreement -maybe even more so now that they've distributed code that they potentially may not even have the rights to? Sounds like you've been staying up at night with your ouija board. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] making zfs open enough [was Re: An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.]
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, James Carlson wrote: Alan DuBoff writes: The only thing I would have done different given the limited resources in engineering, would have been to license under the BSD 3 clause so that anyone, any system, could have taken the code to incorporate into their system, even Linux. I suspect that would have been much worse. ZFS (like many things in OpenSolaris) has patented technology behind it. Among other things, the CDDL provides users with grants for those patents, so that they can actually *use* the bits provided. Possibly so, but ZFS is all new code. Are you saying that Sun couldn't license that as BSD had they wanted? Certainly the underlying system is CDDL and/or other licenses, but how does that effect ZFS sitting on top? The BSD 3-clause license does no such thing. Not directly, but the BSD is an accepted license for pretty much all of the open source community, and considered to be one of the best open and free licenses available. It is certainly one of the few to have stood up in a court of law. For a non-lawyer type as myself, that seems pretty good if you want your code to be accepted. I realize that (as non-lawyers) we're all very fond of short-and-sweet licenses on software, even if they're riddled with legal holes, and treat IPR like Mizaru. The standard BSD license is that. I'm not sure how the BSD is riddled with holes, it has stood up in court. AFAIK, no other popular license has gone through that, GPL included. Maybe I'm wrong. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An Open Letter to the Solaris Community.
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, S h i v wrote: On 8/10/07, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do! Until now, no lawyer did tell us that there may be a problem. Alan has already made references to the repeated discussion that has happened with the legal team. There is no reason compelling enough for a second opinion :-) Shiv, Let me just add a couple comments here. No matter what I or anyone else believes, at the end of the day everything needs to go through legal, we just do not have a choice as Sun requires that to protect themself. I have put my neck on the line to go up against legal for some issues that I didn't feel were correct, and in the end it cause a lot of frustration for everyone, the legal team, my manager, and myself. It did help me understand more just why legal is so complicated in itself. It's not a choice, we need to use them for anything that anyone from Sun does, they are the folks that look after us. They are also the ones that have the most knowledge about open source software at Sun and/or how it applies to our sources. -- Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
