[osol-discuss] libmtmalloc vs libumem
Hi, I am able to understand how libmtmalloc works from the documentation of libmtmalloc.c source file. However, I am unable to find proper documentation for libumem. Could someone provide the key differences between libmtmalloc and liumem, please? Please also provide me links to the documentation/paper based on the design of libumem. Thank you. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] libmtmalloc vs libumem
Hi, I am able to understand how libmtmalloc works from the documentation of libmtmalloc.c source file. However, I am unable to find proper documentation for libumem. Could someone provide the key diffe rences between libmtmalloc and liumem, please? Please also provide me links to the documentation/pa per based on the design of libumem. Libumem is the userland implementation of Jeff Bonwick's slab allocator; you should be able to find the paper he wrote using google: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.29.4759rep=rep1type=pdf Casper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
Paul Griffith pa...@cse.yorku.ca wrote: I expect Oracle to give us more info during OpenWorld. I am expecting more to come regarding OpenSolaris, I don't think they will call it OpenSolaris. No! I don't have any inside knowledge, just thinking out loud. Given the fact that Oracte still did not contact the OGB, it is most unlikely that there will be any news regarding OpenSolaris. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Optimizing performance on a ZFS-based NAS
So this is a good call all around. I finally figured out (once again, thanks to another helpful post on this board) about how to benchmark with DD. Doing the direct reads and writes to a non-deduped, non-compressed filesystem over NFS, I get about 110 MB/sec reading, and writing, which is very close to the limit (like 900 mbit/sec). Meanwhile, if I do the same locally on the EON server, I read at about 290 MB/sec, and read at around 350 MB/sec. So clearly the network is the bandwidth bottleneck. Ned, can you elaborate a little bit on the problems with link aggregation? I was thinking of adding a dual-port Intel NIC to each system, so that the workstations would have 3, and the server 4, 1000Base-T ports. I was looking into switches, and saw that the HP 1810G was listed as good for this purpose. And does Jumbo Frames actually help anything? As to what I'm doing: I've basically gotten rid of all local data storage on my workstations, and just am using a disk (usually an SSD) for the operating system (Windows XP and 7, Linux, OpenSolaris). I'm working with large scientific data sets, and wanted to see if the fileserver would be fast enough so that I could just work directly over my local network. Makes the problem of synchronizing and storing / backup data so much easier. So I'm happy to add NICs to the workstations if it gives substantially better performance. Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
On 08/12/10 03:58 PM, andrew wrote: --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: Edward Ned Harvey wrote: #3 It does not make sense to discontinue development of opensolaris. Some day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you know. But they're diverting development away from opensolaris right now, to make *damn* sure they release solaris 11 this year. My calender still says 2010, not 2011, or did you miss that part of the webcast? Not sure what you're talking about. I never suggested solaris 11 would be delayed into 2011. John Fowler clearly stated during the webcast that Solaris 11 was scheduled to ship in 2011. This was repeated in all the articles I've seen, including some you mentioned in your other posts. You are the only one imagining a 2010 ship date for it. Even the 140 character summary from Oracle marketing was clear about that: http://twitter.com/Oracle/status/20806524667 -- -Alan Coopersmith- Major chalkboard points noted: 1. Dropping AMD servers for Intel-based servers. 2. Upscaling SPARC server roadmap to 128 cores and 64TB of memory by Y2015. 3. Solaris 11 will ship next year - Y2011. Most likely the 2nd half of 2011. With any luck you will be able to download and use it for free as well, although admittedly it will most likely demand some sort of payment to Oracle to use it in a production environment. But then, that never did Windows any harm did it? You may now begin the flaming! ;-) Cheers Andrew. I expect Oracle to give us more info during OpenWorld. I am expecting more to come regarding OpenSolaris, I don't think they will call it OpenSolaris. No! I don't have any inside knowledge, just thinking out loud. I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. Andrew. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. Andrew. That, begs the question how feasible a not-published-by-Oracle distro will be. optimistic thinking: there is still a weekend for things to happen pragmatic thinking: time to get familiar with OSX, *BSD, *buntu sad if it ever comes to jump the solaris ship, which has already shrunk from an OS of my everyday life to one of my hobby time in the past several years. to any body not in database biz maybe Adrian Cockcraft http://perfcap.blogspot.com/ cannot be more true, ever. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Optimizing performance on a ZFS-based NAS
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of valrh...@gmail.com I actually have two ethernet ports on the server, so in principle I should be able to use automatic link-aggregation in OSOL to do this, right? If I understand correctly, the two adapters get teamed, and only require a single IP address, right? You're 95% right. Here are the caveats you'll want to know about: With LACP, each data stream can only go as fast as a single network interface. So if you have aggregated 2x 1G adapters, you won't see 2G speeds. But you might be able to get 2 separate clients to each talk 1G with the server. Your switch must support it too. Configuring it (at least in sol10, but maybe it's different in osol) is a bitch. Because you have to unplumb your interface in order to add it to an aggregation group with another interface, and solaris behaves *very* poorly when there is no plumbed network interface. When one port is fully utilized, and another client comes along and tries to establish another connection, and that client already had a data stream on the same port which is already fully utilized, so the system has a new desire to move one of the datastreams to the unutilized network interface ... This is where I have experienced problems. And it happens all the time (like literally all the time) because that's the whole point of even bothering to implement it. LACP doesn't know that one of the datastreams should be re-assigned to the other interface, until the traffic appears on the overloaded interface. When LACP decides to reassign the traffic to the other interface, an error packet is issued, and the previously received packet must be re-transmitted. You see this occurring by watching the interface error counter increasing. Lots of traffic will not care about the error counter. Lots of people use LACP and don't even notice a problem. But I do file transfers, and ssh tunnels all over the place, and these error occurrences cause dropped and stalled connections. My advice to you is: Watch the error counter on your network interfaces, and if it's anything other than zero, abandon LACP. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Pre-Flag Day: AI schema changes in build 147
Hi All, If you don't use the Solaris Automated Installer(AI) you can safely ignore this message. Otherwise please read on...or read the pre-flag day message at: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+caiman/Pre-Flag+Day+for+bug+16423 Starting in build 147 there will be changes in AI which will result in a flag day. Specifically the changes are: -AI schema and manifest changes -AI server:'installadm' cli changes in support of the new AI schema The changes to the AI schema and the resulting AI manifests are not backward compatible. If you wish to deploy Solaris Nevada build 147 or higher you must use the newer AI manifest. This means you must update your AI server to build 147 as well. The changes to 'installadm' will allow for backwards compatibility for managing builds earlier than b147. This backwards compatibility will be maintained until b157. ***AI schema and manifest changes*** The changes to the AI schema and the resulting AI manifest were made to provide a user interface that is more intuitive and easy to use. The new AI interface provides the same functionality as AI does today. The new interface will allow for expansion of AI functionality. The New AI manifest format for build 147 will provide the same functionality as is currently provided with AI. The AI schema changes are being made to allow for enhancement of AI functionality while trying to maintain compatibility moving forward. The AI schema has been changed to utilize DTD as the schema language and to add new element and attribute definitions. The AI manifest will no longer be an embedded manifest with the AI criteria manifest. The AI criteria manifest will be a separate entity. This is detailed below in the installadm(1m) changes section. Documents that will help you get started on making this transition are: New AI default.xml manifest: === http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+caiman/Flag+Days/default.xml New AI ai_manifest.xml manifest: === http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+caiman/Flag+Days/aimanifest.xml Use case transition guide: = http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+caiman/Flag+Days/usecases.txt XSLT file for manifest transformation from old-new: === http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+caiman/Flag+Days/old%2Dto%2Dnew.xslt To transform the old manifests using the XSLT document run the following command: xsltproc -o output file stylesheet file If /usr/bin/xsltproc is not available on your system, you can install it with: pfexec pkg install pkg:/library/libxslt Please verify the output from running this transform to ensure that everything is correct in the new manifest. Details: 1. ai/ai_instance are the top level tags for the new AI manifest. 2. Top level target specification for AI: target/target_device These are the top level elements to specify a target for use in the root pool for installation. It is not required. If not specified, the AI client will choose the disk. The algorithm used for choosing the disk remains unchanged. Specifically the rules are: 1. The installer gets the recommended size for installing the OpenSolaris OS from the AI libraries. Currently, the recommended size is 13 GB. 2. The installer searches for available disks on the client. To determine the default target, the automated installer looks for an available disk with at least recommended size. The disks are found in the order they are reported by the libdiskmgt library. 3. When the first disk is found, the installer checks the size of that disk. -If the size is greater than or equal to the recommended size, the installer selects the disk and returns to the installation procedure. -If the size is less than the recommended size, the installer goes to the next disk to check the size. 4. If there is no match, the automated installation fails. A target_device can be one of the following types: disk, swap or dump device 3. At the top level a target disk must be specified using this path: target/target_device/disk 4. A disk can be specified by a name, a set of properties to describe the disk, a keyword or an iscsi device. A disk can also contain partitions and/or slices. 5. Disk criteria are divided into the following mutually exclusive groups: G1: Deterministic disk criteria === target/target_device/disk/iscsi parameters target/target_device/disk_name, with name_type attribute: one of ctd, volid, devpath or devid G2: non-deterministic disk criteria === target/target_device/disk/disk_prop: Any of dev_type, dev_vendor or dev_size G3: Keyword disk criteria
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
Oracle sues Google over Java! Un-believable! Now it is proven what Oracle's intentions are! Is Java free??? What is the future of Java now??? So much for pro-open source attitude! It doesn't exist -maybe it never did after Oracle acquired Sun. Will anyone trust Oracle any more? Too bad. Too bad I had to witness this. From what I've read, Google's Android phones run a distinct implementation. So maybe it's about software patents (ugly things, admittedly) rather than copyright. Anyway, I haven't seen enough solid info to be sure I understand this correctly, so I for one don't wish to rush to judgement... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
have you read the suit? if oracle's lawers think android is somehow unlawfully affecting its java assets, they have to sue, they have an obligation to their shareholders, they paid quite a few billions for that after all Sun would have had to do the same thing had their lawyers reached the same conclusion On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Jussi Nieminen jussiniemin...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle sues Google over Java! Un-believable! Now it is proven what Oracle's intentions are! Is Java free??? What is the future of Java now??? So much for pro-open source attitude! It doesn't exist -maybe it never did after Oracle acquired Sun. Will anyone trust Oracle any more? Too bad. Too bad I had to witness this. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
Well considering how Google and other companies such as VMware tend to trample over open-source software and monkey about with it, I'm not surprised that Oracle is suing Google over Android. It's funny how no one complained about Sun suing Microsoft over Java, but now that it's Oracle suing Google, people go bananas. Hate to break it to the pro-open source crowd, but Google is not your friend to begin with. Google patents things left and right to protect its IP as well, so don't confuse Google with tree-hugging open source crowds. They are a corporation like any other, looking for profits. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* - Original Message From: Ignacio Marambio Catán darkjo...@gmail.com To: Jussi Nieminen jussiniemin...@gmail.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 8:34:29 AM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java! have you read the suit? if oracle's lawers think android is somehow unlawfully affecting its java assets, they have to sue, they have an obligation to their shareholders, they paid quite a few billions for that after all Sun would have had to do the same thing had their lawyers reached the same conclusion On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Jussi Nieminen jussiniemin...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle sues Google over Java! Un-believable! Now it is proven what Oracle's intentions are! Is Java free??? What is the future of Java now??? So much for pro-open source attitude! It doesn't exist -maybe it never did after Oracle acquired Sun. Will anyone trust Oracle any more? Too bad. Too bad I had to witness this. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
On 08/13/10 09:34 AM, Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: have you read the suit? if oracle's lawers think android is somehow unlawfully affecting its java assets, they have to sue, they have an obligation to their shareholders, they paid quite a few billions for that after all Sun would have had to do the same thing had their lawyers reached the same conclusion Here's some base information: Here's the suit, Complaint for Patent and Copyright Infringement: http://www.scribd.com/doc/35811761/Oracle-s-complaint-against-Google-for-Java-patent-infringement Some commentary: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oracle-sues-google-for-patent-infringement-2010-08-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp So much for Suns commitment not to sue offensively and use it's patent portfolio for defense only. Oracle steps to a new low. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. I agree, and also I expect the source code to remain stagnant as far as new innovations are concerned (similar to dtrace and zfs). Oracle will develop new technology in a closed source fashion. They will keep the current source up to date, as the CDDL says they have to contribute back, just nothing new. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Hi All, This memo was circulated internally within Oracle (and subsequently leaked). Basically, the open source development model has now been axed and OpenSolaris is officially now dead. A very sad day indeed. Solaris Engineering, Today we are announcing a set of decisions regarding the path to Solaris 11, and answering key pending questions on open source, open development, software and binary licenses, and how developers and early adopters will be able to use Solaris 11 technology before its release in 2011. As you all know, the term “OpenSolaris” has been used colloquially to refer to any or all of a collection of source code, a development model, a web site, a logo, a binary release, a source license, a community, and many other related things. So it’s taken a while to go over each issue from an organizational and business perspective, and align on the correct next step. Therefore, please take the time to read all of the detail here carefully. We’ll discuss our strategy first, and then the decisions and changes to our policies and processes that implement that strategy. Solaris Strategy ———- Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System. We have the leading share of business applications on Solaris today, including both SPARC and x64. We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined. We have a brand that stands for innovation, quality, security, and trust, built on our 20-year investment in Solaris operating system engineering. From a business perspective, the purpose of our investment in Solaris engineering is to drive our overall server business, including both SPARC and x64, and to drive business advantages resulting from integration of multiple components in the Oracle portfolio. This includes combining our servers with our storage, our servers with our switches, Oracle applications with Solaris, and the effectiveness of the service experience resulting from these combinations. All together, Solaris drives aggregate business measured in many billions of dollars, with significant growth potential. We are increasing investment in Solaris, including hiring operating system expertise from throughout the industry, as a sign of our commitment to these goals. Solaris is not something we outsource to others, it is not the assembly of someone else’s technology, and it is not a sustaining-only product. We expect the top operating systems engineers in the industry, i.e. all of you, to be creating and delivering innovations that continue to make Solaris unique, differentiated, and valuable to our customers, and a unique asset of our business. Solaris must stand alone as a best-of-breed technology for Oracle’s enterprise customers. We want all of them to think “If this has to work, then it runs on Solaris.” That’s the Solaris brand. That is where our scalability to more than a few sockets of CPU and gigabytes of DRAM matters. That is why we reliably deliver millions of IOPS of storage, networking, and Infiniband. That is why we have unique properties around file and data management, security and namespace isolation, fault management, and observability. And we also want our customers to know that Solaris is and continues to be a source of new ideas and new technologies– ones that simplify their business and optimize their applications. That’s what made Solaris 10 the most innovative operating system release ever. And that is the same focus that will drive a new set of innovations in Solaris 11. For Solaris to stand alone as the best-of-breed operating system in Oracle’s complete and open portfolio, it must run well on other server hardware and execute everyone’s applications, while delivering unique optimizations for our hardware and our applications. That is the central value proposition of Oracle’s complete, open, and integrated strategy. And these are complementary and not contradictory goals that we will achieve through proper design and engineering. The growth opportunity for Solaris has never been greater. As one example, Solaris is used by about 40% of Oracle’s enterprise customers, which means we have a 60% growth opportunity in our top customers alone. In absolute numbers, there are 130,000 Oracle customers in North America alone who don’t use our servers and storage yet, and a global customer base of 350,000 (the prior Sun base was ~35,000). That’s a huge opportunity we can go attack as a combined company that will increase Solaris adoption and the overall Hardware server revenue. Our success will also increase the amount of effort ISVs exert optimizing their applications for Solaris. We will continue to grow a vibrant developer and system administrator community for Solaris. Delivery of binary releases, delivery of APIs in source or binary form, delivery of open source code, delivery of technical documentation, and engineering of upstream contributions to common industry technologies (such as Apache, Perl, OFED, and many, many others) will be part of that
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/13/10 11:40 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: We will have a Solaris 11 binary distribution, called Solaris 11 Express, that will have a free developer RTU license, and an optional support plan. Solaris 11 Express will debut by the end of this calendar year, and we will issue updates to it, leading to the full release of Solaris 11 in 2011. All of Oracle's efforts on binary distributions of Solaris technology will be focused on Solaris 11. We will not release any other binary distributions, such as nightly or bi-weekly builds of Solaris binaries, or an OpenSolaris 2010.05 or later distribution. We will determine a simple, cost-effective means of getting enterprise users of prior OpenSolaris binary releases to migrate to S11 Express. We will have a Solaris 11 Platinum Customer Program, including direct engineering involvement and feedback, for customers using our Solaris 11 technology. We will be asking all of you to participate in this endeavor, bringing with us the benefit of previous Sun Platinum programs, while utilizing the much larger megaphone that is available to us now as a combined company. We look forward to everyone's continued work on Solaris 11. Our goal is simply to make it the best and most important release of Solaris ever. OK, so these statements look promising. They finally stated no Opensolaris 2010.05 or later. I like the fact they will try to have a migration path from Opensolaris to Solaris 11 Express. Hopefully there will be at least monthly updates. Also, if I read in between the lines here: We will continue to grow a vibrant developer and system administrator community for Solaris. Delivery of binary releases, delivery of APIs in source or binary form, delivery of open source code, delivery of technical documentation, and engineering of upstream contributions to common industry technologies (such as Apache, Perl, OFED, and many, many others) will be part of that activity. But we will also make specific decisions about why and when we do those things, following two core principles: (1) We can't do everything. The limiting factor is our engineering bandwidth measured in people and time. So we have to ensure our top priority is driving delivery of the #1 Enterprise Operating System, Solaris 11, to grow our systems business; and (2) We want the adoption of our technology and intellectual property to accelerate our overall goals, yet not permit competitors to derive business advantage (or FUD) from our innovations before we do. They will continue to develop Desktop and Laptop but not as a priority. Good news indeed. Now I need to see how people will be able to sign up the the Solaris 11 Express releases. Have to wait 4 months for an announcement. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. I agree, and also I expect the source code to remain stagnant as far as new innovations are concerned (similar to dtrace and zfs). Oracle will develop new technology in a closed source fashion. They will keep the current source up to date, as the CDDL says they have to contribute back, just nothing new. As the copyright holder Oracle is not bound by the CDDL and has no compulsion to contribute back. S. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Hi Friday 13th August 2010 is really a sad day for Open Source community... :( Xavier Le 13 août 2010 à 17:40, Alasdair Lumsden a écrit : Hi All, This memo was circulated internally within Oracle (and subsequently leaked). Basically, the open source development model has now been axed and OpenSolaris is officially now dead. A very sad day indeed. Solaris Engineering, Today we are announcing a set of decisions regarding the path to Solaris 11, and answering key pending questions on open source, open development, software and binary licenses, and how developers and early adopters will be able to use Solaris 11 technology before its release in 2011. As you all know, the term “OpenSolaris” has been used colloquially to refer to any or all of a collection of source code, a development model, a web site, a logo, a binary release, a source license, a community, and many other related things. So it’s taken a while to go over each issue from an organizational and business perspective, and align on the correct next step. Therefore, please take the time to read all of the detail here carefully. We’ll discuss our strategy first, and then the decisions and changes to our policies and processes that implement that strategy. Solaris Strategy ———- Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System. We have the leading share of business applications on Solaris today, including both SPARC and x64. We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined. We have a brand that stands for innovation, quality, security, and trust, built on our 20-year investment in Solaris operating system engineering. From a business perspective, the purpose of our investment in Solaris engineering is to drive our overall server business, including both SPARC and x64, and to drive business advantages resulting from integration of multiple components in the Oracle portfolio. This includes combining our servers with our storage, our servers with our switches, Oracle applications with Solaris, and the effectiveness of the service experience resulting from these combinations. All together, Solaris drives aggregate business measured in many billions of dollars, with significant growth potential. We are increasing investment in Solaris, including hiring operating system expertise from throughout the industry, as a sign of our commitment to these goals. Solaris is not something we outsource to others, it is not the assembly of someone else’s technology, and it is not a sustaining-only product. We expect the top operating systems engineers in the industry, i.e. all of you, to be creating and delivering innovations that continue to make Solaris unique, differentiated, and valuable to our customers, and a unique asset of our business. Solaris must stand alone as a best-of-breed technology for Oracle’s enterprise customers. We want all of them to think “If this has to work, then it runs on Solaris.” That’s the Solaris brand. That is where our scalability to more than a few sockets of CPU and gigabytes of DRAM matters. That is why we reliably deliver millions of IOPS of storage, networking, and Infiniband. That is why we have unique properties around file and data management, security and namespace isolation, fault management, and observability. And we also want our customers to know that Solaris is and continues to be a source of new ideas and new technologies– ones that simplify their business and optimize their applications. That’s what made Solaris 10 the most innovative operating system release ever. And that is the same focus that will drive a new set of innovations in Solaris 11. For Solaris to stand alone as the best-of-breed operating system in Oracle’s complete and open portfolio, it must run well on other server hardware and execute everyone’s applications, while delivering unique optimizations for our hardware and our applications. That is the central value proposition of Oracle’s complete, open, and integrated strategy. And these are complementary and not contradictory goals that we will achieve through proper design and engineering. The growth opportunity for Solaris has never been greater. As one example, Solaris is used by about 40% of Oracle’s enterprise customers, which means we have a 60% growth opportunity in our top customers alone. In absolute numbers, there are 130,000 Oracle customers in North America alone who don’t use our servers and storage yet, and a global customer base of 350,000 (the prior Sun base was ~35,000). That’s a huge opportunity we can go attack as a combined company that will increase Solaris adoption and the overall Hardware server revenue. Our success will also increase the amount of effort ISVs exert optimizing their applications for Solaris. We will continue to grow a vibrant developer and system administrator community for Solaris. Delivery of binary releases, delivery of APIs in source or
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Presuming this is authentic, and not a hoax...hmm. * Arrogance level: high * Business justification: yes, if one neglects the negative response * Practical impact: unclear Most new projects already got pretty far along behind the firewall before the rest of us could see them. This sounds as if it would delay that further. How much further, I'm not sure. The key seems to be the sentence We will distribute updates...following full releases..., and the possibility of exceptions as desirable noted later. That would be a narrow tightrope to walk on some of the licenses, IMO, if it meant that less than full release binary updates could be released without making the corresponding updates to open source available at the same time. And even where it _could_ be done, it might be counterproductive in a strictly practical sense, insofar as troubleshooting (esp. with DTrace) is greatly facilitated by having as much as possible of the matching source as available as the corresponding binaries. Not to mention that outside early feedback on open ARC cases sometimes has contributed useful ideas that were incorporated. Other than that...the same level (but _not_ current-ness) of source availability is implied. Some sort of reasonably open early access to pre-beta binaries for familiarization and application or 3rd party driver developers would apparently still be there, if not as timely. Arrogance (and the complementarity of source access and DTrace) aside, I think this makes one other fundamental mistake: FUD does not exist primarily because competitors have the lead time to polish their FUD. It exists because of the _absence_ of authoritative information creates a vacuum, which will inevitably be filled with pessimistic speculation. Provocateurs are cheap negative advertising, and they thrive in the absence of facts. So again...assuming this to be accurate, I'm quite disappointed, but not appalled. Aside from causing independent distros to play catch-up in bigger chunks, it seems to me that this does more harm to Solaris (and thus ultimately to Oracle) than it does to those that seek to profit from it independent of Oracle. Reasonable use of discretion in the direction of flexibility, where it does not give away major competitive advantage, would do much to mitigate the adverse impacts... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. I agree, and also I expect the source code to remain stagnant as far as new innovations are concerned (similar to dtrace and zfs). Oracle will develop new technology in a closed source fashion. They will keep the current source up to date, as the CDDL says they have to contribute back, just nothing new. As the copyright holder Oracle is not bound by the CDDL and has no compulsion to contribute back. AFAIK, CDDL is per-source-file. If a CDDL source file has other copyrights on it as well, maybe they do. Unfortunately, few if any of them probably do have other copyrights on them (at least explicitly). Not that I recall anything about copyright assignment by contributors. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Presuming this is authentic, and not a hoax...hmm. It's not a hoax. Not even given the date and the other news of the day. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris
if your file landed in opensolaris, then you signed an SCA which means you gave sun and now oracle rights akin ownership. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Richard L. Hamilton rlha...@smart.net wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old Solaris Express programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. I agree, and also I expect the source code to remain stagnant as far as new innovations are concerned (similar to dtrace and zfs). Oracle will develop new technology in a closed source fashion. They will keep the current source up to date, as the CDDL says they have to contribute back, just nothing new. As the copyright holder Oracle is not bound by the CDDL and has no compulsion to contribute back. AFAIK, CDDL is per-source-file. If a CDDL source file has other copyrights on it as well, maybe they do. Unfortunately, few if any of them probably do have other copyrights on them (at least explicitly). Not that I recall anything about copyright assignment by contributors. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] So, What happens to opensolaris.org?
So any bets/pools as to what happens to all the materials in opensolaris.org? Does it just evaporate down a black hole (Imploded Sun?!)? Does it become an archived for posterity link off of OTN? What of all the old archives, mailing lists, pkg repositories, etc? I assume the Solaris 11 Express pkg targets will change from pkg.opensolaris.org to OTN? Not unexpected, just disappointing... So, do we all pick up our sandbox toys and move to Illumos? Becoming Illuminati?!?! Never did get the onnv-gate stuff to actually compile under 134. Hopefully the Solaris 11 Express will be like the Solaris Express's of old/lore. I had hoped the distributions would have remained open to Murcurial without support. I wonder if this is what Gosling meant in his blog a few days ago? Alas poor OpenSolaris, we hardly knew Ye... -Rob -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
So, OpenSolaris is officially dead... They're no longer providing even read-only access to the live source code (only rare dumps of release products), no longer have any interest in community contribution and also reserve the right to maintain complete radio silence, as it were, on any new features that they might be working on. This sounds to me like they're planning on following the Apple/Darwin model here, rather than the Sun model. This really is a sad day. Mike ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Well considering prior statements from Oracle, the company has now lied to developers, customers, shareholders, the general public. Word != Bond. This material fact extends to statements agreements prior to the sale of Sun to Oracle, as well as to statements made post-purchase. Not exactly the sort of behavior that will get the company rated as a buy from any interested parties. This also shows that Oracle values customers, not community of customers. Much less contributors. The only upside I can find is that it becomes pointless to waste any time caring about the future of the product since Oracle will do whatever Oracle wants. Since prior agreements do not matter, all that does matter is whatever they release whenever they bother to release it, under whatever new terms they choose at that time. It makes 5 year lifecyle planning rather awkward, but that's not Oracle's problem. I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. There is no good will in this plan to say the very least about it. In fact this seems to facilitate a culture of predation that Oracle is fairly infamous for. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] So, What happens to opensolaris.org?
Oracle awkwardly kills it off... What else really. It's not part of management's vision. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Nexenta Systems initiated, Illumos Project continues its effort... http://www.illumos.org A community maintained derivative of the OpenSolaris ON source, including open source replacements for closed bits, and additional changes. All companies who were working with OpenSolaris/Solaris are invited to join this movement and liberate OpenSolaris. On 08/13/2010 08:40 AM, Alasdair Lumsden wrote: Hi All, This memo was circulated internally within Oracle (and subsequently leaked). Basically, the open source development model has now been axed and OpenSolaris is officially now dead. A very sad day indeed. Solaris Engineering, Today we are announcing a set of decisions regarding the path to Solaris 11, and answering key pending questions on open source, open development, software and binary licenses, and how developers and early adopters will be able to use Solaris 11 technology before its release in 2011. As you all know, the term “OpenSolaris” has been used colloquially to refer to any or all of a collection of source code, a development model, a web site, a logo, a binary release, a source license, a community, and many other related things. So it’s taken a while to go over each issue from an organizational and business perspective, and align on the correct next step. Therefore, please take the time to read all of the detail here carefully. We’ll discuss our strategy first, and then the decisions and changes to our policies and processes that implement that strategy. Solaris Strategy ———- Solaris is the #1 Enterprise Operating System. We have the leading share of business applications on Solaris today, including both SPARC and x64. We have more than twice the application base of AIX and HP-UX combined. We have a brand that stands for innovation, quality, security, and trust, built on our 20-year investment in Solaris operating system engineering. From a business perspective, the purpose of our investment in Solaris engineering is to drive our overall server business, including both SPARC and x64, and to drive business advantages resulting from integration of multiple components in the Oracle portfolio. This includes combining our servers with our storage, our servers with our switches, Oracle applications with Solaris, and the effectiveness of the service experience resulting from these combinations. All together, Solaris drives aggregate business measured in many billions of dollars, with significant growth potential. We are increasing investment in Solaris, including hiring operating system expertise from throughout the industry, as a sign of our commitment to these goals. Solaris is not something we outsource to others, it is not the assembly of someone else’s technology, and it is not a sustaining-only product. We expect the top operating systems engineers in the industry, i.e. all of you, to be creating and delivering innovations that continue to make Solaris unique, differentiated, and valuable to our customers, and a unique asset of our business. Solaris must stand alone as a best-of-breed technology for Oracle’s enterprise customers. We want all of them to think “If this has to work, then it runs on Solaris.” That’s the Solaris brand. That is where our scalability to more than a few sockets of CPU and gigabytes of DRAM matters. That is why we reliably deliver millions of IOPS of storage, networking, and Infiniband. That is why we have unique properties around file and data management, security and namespace isolation, fault management, and observability. And we also want our customers to know that Solaris is and continues to be a source of new ideas and new technologies– ones that simplify their business and optimize their applications. That’s what made Solaris 10 the most innovative operating system release ever. And that is the same focus that will drive a new set of innovations in Solaris 11. For Solaris to stand alone as the best-of-breed operating system in Oracle’s complete and open portfolio, it must run well on other server hardware and execute everyone’s applications, while delivering unique optimizations for our hardware and our applications. That is the central value proposition of Oracle’s complete, open, and integrated strategy. And these are complementary and not contradictory goals that we will achieve through proper design and engineering. The growth opportunity for Solaris has never been greater. As one example, Solaris is used by about 40% of Oracle’s enterprise customers, which means we have a 60% growth opportunity in our top customers alone. In absolute numbers, there are 130,000 Oracle customers in North America alone who don’t use our servers and storage yet, and a global customer base of 350,000 (the prior Sun base was ~35,000). That’s a huge opportunity we can go attack as a combined company that will increase Solaris adoption and the overall Hardware server revenue. Our success will also increase the amount of effort ISVs exert optimizing their
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:45:10PM -0700, Petros Koutoupis wrote: I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. Oracle is a big company... what one group does or is able to do may not be the same as what another group. Oracle has essentially full control of Solaris, whereas with Linux being out of their control (yet widely used by their customers) they need to play within the rules set up there -- which means upstream contribution and open development... Ray ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] So, What happens to opensolaris.org?
More precisely, Oracle kills it off without advance announcement or explanation. Just watch. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/13/10 03:45 PM, Petros Koutoupis wrote: I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. I also agree with Petros. Oracle was only looking to gain control of Opensolaris. It looks to me, they tried balancing their goals with somewhat of the Opensolaris community goals in that they said they will release development binary snapshots called Solaris 11 Express and source, at an unspecified interval. Lets hope that they do what they say. On a good side, they did state they are investing money by hiring more developers, that they want to advance Solaris to the point there is no other Unix choice you would want, this I like. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/14/10 08:45 AM, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/13/10 03:45 PM, Petros Koutoupis wrote: As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. I also agree with Petros. Oracle was only looking to gain control of Opensolaris. It looks to me, they tried balancing their goals with somewhat of the Opensolaris community goals in that they said they will release development binary snapshots called Solaris 11 Express and source, at an unspecified interval. If the memo is to be believed, the source will follow full releases of our enterprise Solaris operating system how ever far apart they are. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 8/13/2010 12:50 PM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:45:10PM -0700, Petros Koutoupis wrote: I didn't think Oracle had what it takes to really be about open source, this proves that. As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. Oracle is a big company... what one group does or is able to do may not be the same as what another group. Oracle has essentially full control of Solaris, whereas with Linux being out of their control (yet widely used by their customers) they need to play within the rules set up there -- which means upstream contribution and open development... Ray OK, let me preface this post with the up-front disclaimer that I in *absolutely* no way speak for Oracle, nor do I know anything that hasn't been made public, and that the opinions expressed herein are solely my own. Ray has pretty much hit things on the head. With the various Linux projects, Oracle was pretty much *required* to share back, so they played nicely. With Solaris, the mindset seems to be that We own this, so let's make fat bank on a cool technology, and not let others steal our business. The unfortunate thing here is that most of the value in an Operating System is attributable to ADOPTION RATES. That is, the wider the OS is used, the more revenue potential there is. Now, the per-instance revenue potential tends to drop off, but the overall revenue ramps up very noticably. (note, this post, OS = Operating System, not OpenSolaris) I think someone really, really, really needs to explain to upper management these things: (1)Having an open source base / development process is pretty much a no-lose situation, with only an up side. The likelihood that other OSes will be able to take advantage of your technology is quite low (either due to incompatible license, or high barrier to port the code), and, at best, such other OSes will lag significantly in uptake. For instance, ZFS is about the only major technology from OpenSolaris that I can name which has any reasonable adoption in other OSes. The FreeBSD port of ZFS is *at* *least* 6 months behind that of OpenSolaris. The Upside of a open development model is that you can get outside contributions (if you actually want them, and design the development model appropriately), outside testing, and a radically higher adoption rate than a closed model. (2)As a corollary to #1, yes, you might have some competitors use your source base to build their own produce (cf. Nexenta). *However*, those competitors actually *help* you, in that they will: (a) most likely contribute work back to the open development base that you (Oracle) would not have done (b) increase the userbase of the OS itself (even if only in appliances, this increases familiarity with the OS, increasing the sales recognition, so selling other products based on this OS is simpler) (c) provide new and innovative products, which enables Oracle to test the waters in various market niches without committing any Oracle resources (i.e. let someone else do your market testing for you) (d) be small companies which aren't a serious threat to any Oracle revenue, relative to their benefit (e) they are a very big potential source of revenue themselves, if you want to sell something like a premium developer-access support contract. (3)Giving away for free BOTH Solaris and OpenSolaris distros doesn't hurt the bottom line. Period. No lost revenue at all. It *absolutely* will drive additional revenue to you, particularly from ISVs and app developers, who will use your product to create their own, and drive more revenue back to Oracle, in the form of more server and support contract sales. (4)As a corollary to #3, making a cheap support option consisting of security updates Knowledge Base access only is FREE MONEY. It costs you virtually nothing (ok, perhaps pennies per contract), and gives you not only increased userbase (with the attendant better ISV/appdev attention), but also a reporting base to monitor for problems (i.e. free QA), and significant incentive for businesses to use the OS vs other options. (5)High-cost (and high per-copy profit) niche closed OSes are a good way to die. OS/400,
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
Has anyone else taken note of the domain name of the law firm representing Oracle in the suit against Google? I had to check the date - that sort of thing usually pops up on April 1. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Change segvn cache size
Hi,
I observed that one multi-threaded application is generating so many
cross-calls (xcalls) on my AMD multi-core machine. A snapshot of stack trace is
shown below. I think that this is because of segvn activity, i.e. unmapping
the page and generating cross-call activity to maintain MMU level coherence
across the processors (from the Solaris Internals book). I read that by
increasing segmap cache size, we can improve the performance of some
multi-threaded applications (which produce serious File IO). Using adb, I am
able to change the size of segmap cache. However, we will get this benefit
only on the File systems other than ZFS. I have ZFS and also I am unable to
change the size of segvn. I don't know whether ZFS uses segvn cache or not.
However, I tried to change the size of segvn cache like segmap using adb, but
failed. It is giving the message as shown below.
$ pfexec adb -kw /dev/ksyms /dev/mem
physmem 7ff23f
segmapsize/D
segmapsize: 67108864
segvnsize/D
adb: failed to dereference symbol: unknown symbol name
Could anyone tell me how can I increase the size of segvn cache on my machine.
$ pfexec dtrace -n 'xcalls /execname==my_multithreaded/ {...@[stack()] =
count()}'
dtrace: description 'xcalls ' matched 2 probes
unix`xc_do_call+0x135
unix`xc_call+0x4b
unix`hat_tlb_inval+0x2af
unix`unlink_ptp+0x92
unix`htable_release+0xfa
unix`hat_unload_callback+0x1d8
genunix`segvn_unmap+0x255
genunix`as_unmap+0xf2
genunix`munmap+0x80
unix`sys_syscall32+0x101
377
unix`xc_do_call+0x135
unix`xc_call+0x4b
unix`hat_tlb_inval+0x2af
unix`x86pte_update+0x69
unix`hati_update_pte+0x10c
unix`hat_pagesync+0x169
genunix`pvn_getdirty+0x5d
zfs`zfs_putpage+0x1c7
genunix`fop_putpage+0x74
genunix`segvn_sync+0x137
genunix`as_ctl+0x200
genunix`memcntl+0x764
unix`sys_syscall32+0x101
946
unix`xc_do_call+0x135
unix`xc_call+0x4b
unix`hat_tlb_inval+0x2af
unix`unlink_ptp+0x92
unix`htable_release+0xfa
unix`hat_unload_callback+0x24a
genunix`segvn_unmap+0x255
genunix`as_unmap+0xf2
genunix`munmap+0x80
unix`sys_syscall32+0x101
2494
.
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[osol-discuss] sad news has reach the press- OpenSolaris axed by Ellison
I guess one last news:( looks to be offical. news never gets pased that guy. In short, the Oracle executives said that the open source, community-driven OpenSolaris project as conceived and built by Sun Microsystems five years ago is dead. Get over it. Instead of OpenSolaris being coded well ahead of the commercial Solaris release that it will eventually become, Oracle is doing a 180-degree turn: now the only open source version of any future Solaris stack will come after the commercial product ships. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/opensolaris_is_dead/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/13/10 05:08 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 08/14/10 08:45 AM, Paul Gress wrote: On 08/13/10 03:45 PM, Petros Koutoupis wrote: As much as I am disappointed with the end result of this whole OpenSolaris drama, I still cannot find myself to agree with the above excerpt. Oracle works heavily with Linux. In fact they are sponsoring Chris Mason's development of the GPL'd Btrfs file system. They also developed and GPL'd the OCFS. This is on top of other lesser known management tools which all are focused toward their Red Hat based Unbreakable Linux distribution (and in some cases outside of that). While all of this never defined them as an open source company, they seem to spend a lot of time and money contributing back to the community. What the real reason(s) for not wanting to work with OpenSolaris arethis answer we may never figure out. I also agree with Petros. Oracle was only looking to gain control of Opensolaris. It looks to me, they tried balancing their goals with somewhat of the Opensolaris community goals in that they said they will release development binary snapshots called Solaris 11 Express and source, at an unspecified interval. If the memo is to be believed, the source will follow full releases of our enterprise Solaris operating system how ever far apart they are. Or probably after each major update release. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
Has anyone else taken note of the domain name of the law firm representing Oracle in the suit against Google? snip Has anyone ever heard the name David Boies? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Erik, looks like you've already said everything I was thinking of posting and said it better. Oracle is being a blinkered dinosaur, trying to hark back to the good old days when the Unix mainframe was king. It's actually a risky business model, trying to focus entirely on rich investment banks as the only customers, without realising that they're only your customers because they are the last ones to move into the 21st century and adopt anything new. Then try to grow that market by offering Solaris 11 as something new, innovative and different. This sentence made me laugh: We will continue to grow a vibrant developer and system administrator community for Solaris. Totally contradicted by everything else in that memo! How vibrant does this community feel right now? How does killing OpenSolaris help grow a new community of Solaris system administrators? They also expect more ISVs to put more effort into targeting Solaris, but I really can't see many ISVs caring about it any more. Most of the software we use has either already EOF'd support for Solaris or will do in the next release cycle, because it's just too low-volume to be worth supporting. Oracle is forgetting that ISVs had been benefiting from when Solaris 10 was free, as a platform on which to sell their software to the masses. Why should they now care about selling just a handful of licenses to a few companies that happen to be paying Oracle a shed load of money for a premium platform? ISVs only get money per license sold, for which the only thing that matters is the number of Solaris installations, not how expensive they were or how much money Oracle made from selling software, hardware complete. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
On 13 Aug 2010, at 22:28, David R. Linn wrote: Has anyone else taken note of the domain name of the law firm representing Oracle in the suit against Google? I had to check the date - that sort of thing usually pops up on April 1. They're a familiar enough name to folks interested in this sort of thing -- they also represented Novell v SCO, IIRC. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.ben...@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/14/10 09:25 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: Frankly, at this point, I'd be all for Oracle spinning out the Solaris group as a fully-owned subsidiary, responsible for paying its own way. You'd see Solaris make lots of interesting product/marketing decisions and far more cash than I think Oracle is going to make with what they're doing now. That's an interesting thought Eric. It would make collaboration much easier. I think the root cause of this debacle was Sun allowing OpenSolaris to get too far ahead of Solaris 10. I can just imagine a conversation between an Oracle exec and a Sun one; So you have all this world beating OS technology, how are you monetising it? Er, we're not, we're giving it away Ho mum... We need this in the market now! If I were the Oracle exec I'd want to focus my resources on getting some return for all that wonderful technology. While I agree getting Solaris 11 out should be the priority, I still think cutting off the OpenSolaris community is incredibly short sighted, probably driven by the US corporate obsession with the next quarter's results. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
I find this a little comical in one respect. Google specifically tried to avoid paying Sun for the use of Java intellectual property, copyrights and such in Android. In the same breath Google is went after Augen for instance for using an Unlicensed version for Android which is partly based on the what they are not paying for. Isn't life grand. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
Erik, may I please publish your post in full on my public blog (not that it's private here to begin with)? Cheers, Dave -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Where too now?
So Oracle has pulled the plug. That makes for a really black Friday 13th down this end of the planet. Where too from here ? Could the community rally togeather and actually release an OpenSolaris 2010 ? We have the bits that it was to be in 134, but do we have the desire ? Can the OpenSolaris name remain ? For a new name .. comOS (community OpenSolaris) or maybe just a OpenSolaris 2010-comOS Mark. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?
On 08/14/10 01:39 PM, Mark Bennett wrote: So Oracle has pulled the plug. That makes for a really black Friday 13th down this end of the planet. Or Saturday 14th at this end. Where too from here ? Could the community rally togeather and actually release an OpenSolaris 2010 ? We have the bits that it was to be in 134, but do we have the desire ? For most uses, build 134 is a better choice than Solaris 10, so I see no reason to stop using it. -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of David R. Linn Has anyone else taken note of the domain name of the law firm representing Oracle in the suit against Google? Please forgive me for being too lazy or stupid... What is the domain name? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Alasdair Lumsden This memo was circulated internally within Oracle (and subsequently leaked). Leaked where? Googling around, the only links say Leaked to the opensolaris-discuss mailing list. Maybe true, maybe not, certainly believable. Certainly unverified and lacking credibility too. Where is there anything more authoritative than just the rumors spread on this mailing list? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?
So Oracle has pulled the plug. That makes for a really black Friday 13th down this end of the planet. Where too from here ? Could the community rally togeather and actually release an OpenSolaris 2010 ? We have the bits that it was to be in 134, but do we have the desire ? Can the OpenSolaris name remain ? For a new name .. comOS (community OpenSolaris) or maybe just a OpenSolaris 2010-comOS Mark. i agree snv_134 can still be used for a long time, that is why I'm thinking about bootstrappng NetBSD's pkgsrc onto snv_134, because i think IPS repos might soon disapper and, I recommend downloading anthor snv134 and or 2009.06 isos stored them in a saver, incase the install discs get ruin because the isos may get removed. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
I find this a little comical in one respect. Google specifically tried to avoid paying Sun for the use of Java intellectual property, copyrights and such in Android. In the same breath Google is went after Augen for instance for using an Unlicensed version for Android which is partly based on the what they are not paying for. Isn't life grand. My feelings exactly! That was in news just a few days ago! People have pro-google bias. For some unknown reason, I must say. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/14/10 02:19 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Alasdair Lumsden This memo was circulated internally within Oracle (and subsequently leaked). Leaked where? http://pastebin.com/YtuvZkUJ -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Mapping the kernel heap with large pages
Hi, One of my applications is spending around 90% of total execution time reading a huge file using read system call. I though that I could improve the performance of the application by increasing the page size for kernel heap. I know that I can increase page size of application heap using ppgsz command on the fly. But I don't know how to change the page size for kernel heap. Could anyone tell me if there is any command for this or is it possible through kdb/adb, please? My machine is a multi-core AMD Opteron running OpenSolaris.2009.06. File system is ZFS. And also please let me know if there are any ideas (tunable parameters) to improve the File IO on ZFS. Thank you. Best, Kishore -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?
On 08/13/10 10:29 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: So Oracle has pulled the plug. That makes for a really black Friday 13th down this end of the planet. Where too from here ? Could the community rally togeather and actually release an OpenSolaris 2010 ? Well I believe now Illumos has a six month window to accomplish its task and come out with some sort of distro. Because I believe if it's later and Oracle releases a binary of Solaris 11 Express it will be much harder to get more supporters. We have the bits that it was to be in 134, but do we have the desire ? Can the OpenSolaris name remain ? For a new name .. comOS (community OpenSolaris) or maybe just a OpenSolaris 2010-comOS Mark. i agree snv_134 can still be used for a long time, that is why I'm thinking about bootstrappng NetBSD's pkgsrc onto snv_134, because i think IPS repos might soon disapper and, I recommend downloading anthor snv134 and or 2009.06 isos stored them in a saver, incase the install discs get ruin because the isos may get removed. I don't think the IPS repos will disappear soon. In that memo it was stated they are going to try to get a migration path from Opensolaris to Solaris 11 Express. So until that bridge is built, I believe they will keep the current repo going. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] So, What happens to opensolaris.org?
More precisely, Oracle kills it off without advance announcement or explanation. Just watch. That was exactly the circumstance under which the forums at opensolaris.com were shut down... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
On 08/13/10 10:39 PM, devsk wrote: I find this a little comical in one respect. Google specifically tried to avoid paying Sun for the use of Java intellectual property, copyrights and such in Android. In the same breath Google is went after Augen for instance for using an Unlicensed version for Android which is partly based on the what they are not paying for. Isn't life grand. My feelings exactly! That was in news just a few days ago! People have pro-google bias. For some unknown reason, I must say. My view on this situation is Oracle now killed Java. I believe there will be many Java developers who will stop developing for fear of uncertainty from Oracle, will they come after me? So Oracle made the decision to get quick cash and watch the slow decay of Java opposed to expand the Java market with confidence. Good for the books now if they win. Big gamble, should loose both ways now. Paul ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where too now?
I don't think the IPS repos will disappear soon.nbsp; In that memo it was stated they are going to try to get a migration path from Opensolaris to Solaris 11 Express.nbsp; So until that bridge is built, I believe they will keep the current repo going. Paul i reread and i did overlook that part maybe it was the tears in my eyes were getting in the way;) quote: We will determine a simple, cost-effective means of getting enterprise users of prior OpenSolaris binary releases to migrate to S11 Express. end quote in a way i'm glad that we are not being cut off in a cold way sounds like we are getting invited to participate: quote: We will be asking all of you to participate in this endeavor, bringing with us the benefit of previous Sun Platinum programs, while utilizing the much larger megaphone that is available to us now as a combined company. We look forward to everyone’s continued work on Solaris 11. Our goal is simply to make it the best and most important release of Solaris ever. end quote -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!
I know, that most of the software written for Android is well sort of Java. Maybe it time for some Google Go for Android? ( if all else fail that is. ) being a strong supporter of OpenSource is a good enough reason to be biased towards Google IMHO. -Prudhvi Surapaneni. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
