Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Ed Leafe 
On Oct 10, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Clint Byrum  wrote:

>> I'd certainly appreciate a follow-up email towards the end of the voting 
>> period (i.e. it wouldn't even necessarily need to be a re-sending of the 
>> ballot link - finding that again is generally no problem). I wanted to 
>> see what the candidates had to say in response to the various questions 
>> on the mailing list before voting, but I was definitely starting to get 
>> nervous toward the end of the week that I might forget.
>> 
> Indeed. I think it might make sense to have a brief period between
> nomination deadline, and poll creation, maybe 1 week, to spark this
> debate and get the community engaged with the candidates. This goes for
> all of the elections.

Exactly. Most people vote when they get their email ballot, so discussions 
after that have limited impact.


-- Ed Leafe






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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Clint Byrum 
Excerpts from Tony Breeds's message of 2016-10-10 10:49:12 +1100:
> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
> Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
> Monty Taylor (mordred)
> Sean Dague (sdague)
> Steve Martinelli (stevemar)
> 
> 
> Full results: 
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
> 

Well obviously, the system is a disaster, and rigged bigly.

Congratulations to our newly elected TC members, and to all of those
nominated. It has truly been an honor to be mentioned in a list with
all of you.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Clint Byrum 
Excerpts from Zane Bitter's message of 2016-10-10 11:10:53 -0400:
> On 09/10/16 19:58, Tony Breeds wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:49:12AM +1100, Tony Breeds wrote:
> >> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
> >>
> >> Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> >> Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
> >> Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
> >> Monty Taylor (mordred)
> >> Sean Dague (sdague)
> >> Steve Martinelli (stevemar)
> >>
> >>
> >> Full results: 
> >> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
> >
> > Following up on this  Here are some statistics for this election:
> >
> > +--+---+---+---+
> > | Election | Electorate  (delta %) | Voted   (delta %) | Turnout %   (delta 
> > %) |
> > +--+---+---+---+
> > |  10/2013 |   1106  (nan) |   342   (nan) | 30.92   (
> > nan) |
> > |  04/2014 |   1510  (  36.53) |   448   (  30.99) | 29.67   (  
> > -4.05) |
> > |  10/2014 |   1893  (  25.36) |   506   (  12.95) | 26.73   (  
> > -9.91) |
> > |  04/2015 |   2169  (  14.58) |   548   (   8.30) | 25.27   (  
> > -5.48) |
> > |  10/2015 |   2759  (  27.20) |   619   (  12.96) | 22.44   ( 
> > -11.20) |
> > |  04/2016 |   3284  (  19.03) |   652   (   5.33) | 19.85   ( 
> > -11.51) |
> > |  10/2016 |   3517  (   7.10) |   801   (  22.85) | 22.78   (  
> > 14.71) |
> > +--+---+---+---+
> >
> > Election CIVS links
> >  10/2014: 
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_c105db929e6c11f4
> >  04/2015: 
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ef1379fee7b94688
> >  10/2015: 
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
> >  04/2016: 
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
> >  10/2016: 
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
> >
> > It's interesting to note that we increased voter turnout this election,
> 
> This is truly excellent news :)
> 

I totally agree.

> > perhaps as a side effect of the complications with emailing the ballots?
> 
> That's an interesting idea, although I like to think it was also helped 
> by the fact that members of the community were actually engaging with 
> the candidates and generating a robust debate. Thanks Gordon, Clay, and 
> all the other folks whose questions helped to spark that - I hope we'll 
> see even more of it in future elections.
> 
> I'd certainly appreciate a follow-up email towards the end of the voting 
> period (i.e. it wouldn't even necessarily need to be a re-sending of the 
> ballot link - finding that again is generally no problem). I wanted to 
> see what the candidates had to say in response to the various questions 
> on the mailing list before voting, but I was definitely starting to get 
> nervous toward the end of the week that I might forget.
> 

Indeed. I think it might make sense to have a brief period between
nomination deadline, and poll creation, maybe 1 week, to spark this
debate and get the community engaged with the candidates. This goes for
all of the elections.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Zane Bitter 

On 09/10/16 19:58, Tony Breeds wrote:

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:49:12AM +1100, Tony Breeds wrote:

Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.

Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
Monty Taylor (mordred)
Sean Dague (sdague)
Steve Martinelli (stevemar)


Full results: 
http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010


Following up on this  Here are some statistics for this election:

+--+---+---+---+
| Election | Electorate  (delta %) | Voted   (delta %) | Turnout %   (delta %) |
+--+---+---+---+
|  10/2013 |   1106  (nan) |   342   (nan) | 30.92   (nan) |
|  04/2014 |   1510  (  36.53) |   448   (  30.99) | 29.67   (  -4.05) |
|  10/2014 |   1893  (  25.36) |   506   (  12.95) | 26.73   (  -9.91) |
|  04/2015 |   2169  (  14.58) |   548   (   8.30) | 25.27   (  -5.48) |
|  10/2015 |   2759  (  27.20) |   619   (  12.96) | 22.44   ( -11.20) |
|  04/2016 |   3284  (  19.03) |   652   (   5.33) | 19.85   ( -11.51) |
|  10/2016 |   3517  (   7.10) |   801   (  22.85) | 22.78   (  14.71) |
+--+---+---+---+

Election CIVS links
 10/2014: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_c105db929e6c11f4
 04/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ef1379fee7b94688
 10/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
 04/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
 10/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010

It's interesting to note that we increased voter turnout this election,


This is truly excellent news :)


perhaps as a side effect of the complications with emailing the ballots?


That's an interesting idea, although I like to think it was also helped 
by the fact that members of the community were actually engaging with 
the candidates and generating a robust debate. Thanks Gordon, Clay, and 
all the other folks whose questions helped to spark that - I hope we'll 
see even more of it in future elections.


I'd certainly appreciate a follow-up email towards the end of the voting 
period (i.e. it wouldn't even necessarily need to be a re-sending of the 
ballot link - finding that again is generally no problem). I wanted to 
see what the candidates had to say in response to the various questions 
on the mailing list before voting, but I was definitely starting to get 
nervous toward the end of the week that I might forget.


cheers,
Zane.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Doug Hellmann 
Excerpts from John Davidge's message of 2016-10-10 13:24:18 +:
> On 10/10/16, 5:36 AM, Monty Taylor wrote:
> 
> >It's really nice to see that we had an increase in turnout percentage
> >even in the face of having our largest electorate yet.
> >
> >Thanks for all your great work!!!
> >
> >Monty
> 
> +100
> 
> Thank you as well to all the candidates and standing TC members who took
> part in this process. The past few weeks have really opened my eyes to
> what our TC deals with day-to-day, and the huge amount of work that goes
> into making things run smoothly.
> 
> Special thanks to Thierry and Doug in particular for what was at times a
> heated debate. I have a lot to learn from you both about keeping a level
> head on the ML :)
> 
> Cheers and congrats,
> 
> John
> 

Thanks, John, I appreciate all of the discussion this time around.
It's nice to see more folks engaging on the issues and exploring
possible solutions. I hope that everyone who ran will stay actively
involved in those discussions throughout the term.

And thanks again to the election supervisors! Things went very smoothly,
considering the technical challenges our growth has presented.

Doug

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread John Davidge 
On 10/10/16, 5:36 AM, Monty Taylor wrote:

>It's really nice to see that we had an increase in turnout percentage
>even in the face of having our largest electorate yet.
>
>Thanks for all your great work!!!
>
>Monty

+100

Thank you as well to all the candidates and standing TC members who took
part in this process. The past few weeks have really opened my eyes to
what our TC deals with day-to-day, and the huge amount of work that goes
into making things run smoothly.

Special thanks to Thierry and Doug in particular for what was at times a
heated debate. I have a lot to learn from you both about keeping a level
head on the ML :)

Cheers and congrats,

John



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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Flavio Percoco 

On 10/10/16 00:36 -0400, Monty Taylor wrote:

On 10/09/2016 07:58 PM, Tony Breeds wrote:

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:49:12AM +1100, Tony Breeds wrote:

Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.

Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
Monty Taylor (mordred)
Sean Dague (sdague)
Steve Martinelli (stevemar)


Full results: 
http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010


Following up on this  Here are some statistics for this election:

+--+---+---+---+
| Election | Electorate  (delta %) | Voted   (delta %) | Turnout %   (delta %) |
+--+---+---+---+
|  10/2013 |   1106  (nan) |   342   (nan) | 30.92   (nan) |
|  04/2014 |   1510  (  36.53) |   448   (  30.99) | 29.67   (  -4.05) |
|  10/2014 |   1893  (  25.36) |   506   (  12.95) | 26.73   (  -9.91) |
|  04/2015 |   2169  (  14.58) |   548   (   8.30) | 25.27   (  -5.48) |
|  10/2015 |   2759  (  27.20) |   619   (  12.96) | 22.44   ( -11.20) |
|  04/2016 |   3284  (  19.03) |   652   (   5.33) | 19.85   ( -11.51) |
|  10/2016 |   3517  (   7.10) |   801   (  22.85) | 22.78   (  14.71) |
+--+---+---+---+

Election CIVS links
 10/2014: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_c105db929e6c11f4
 04/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ef1379fee7b94688
 10/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
 04/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
 10/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010

It's interesting to note that we increased voter turnout this election,
perhaps as a side effect of the complications with emailing the ballots?


Not that I want to put any more stress on our friends over at Cornell -
I'd be curious to see what effect re-sending ballots every day of the
period would have on turnout. It's not a particularly easy thing to do a
meaningful double-blind test of, of course.


If it's possible, I'd advocate for this. With such a large community, it's
sometimes better to over-communicate. We all get many emails, we are all humans
and we can miss some of the emails we get.

Cheers,
Flavio


It's really nice to see that we had an increase in turnout percentage
even in the face of having our largest electorate yet.

Thanks for all your great work!!!

Monty







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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-10 Thread Maish Saidel-Keesing 
I would also like to add my deepest gratitude for all your hard work
that goes into this process every six months.

Thank you, all of you for all the hard work that goes on behind the
scenes to make this possible

Congratulations to all the re-elected and newly elected members of the TC.


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Maish Saidel-Keesing

On 10/10/16 02:49, Tony Breeds wrote:
> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
>
> Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
> Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
> Monty Taylor (mordred)
> Sean Dague (sdague)
> Steve Martinelli (stevemar)
>
>
> Full results: 
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
>
> Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
> candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
>
> Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to 
> ensure
> your voice is heard.
>
> Thank you for another great round.
>
> Here's to Ocata!
>
> Yours Tony.
>


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-09 Thread Monty Taylor 
On 10/09/2016 07:58 PM, Tony Breeds wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:49:12AM +1100, Tony Breeds wrote:
>> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
>>
>> Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
>> Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
>> Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
>> Monty Taylor (mordred)
>> Sean Dague (sdague)
>> Steve Martinelli (stevemar)
>>
>>
>> Full results: 
>> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
> 
> Following up on this  Here are some statistics for this election:
> 
> +--+---+---+---+
> | Election | Electorate  (delta %) | Voted   (delta %) | Turnout %   (delta 
> %) |
> +--+---+---+---+
> |  10/2013 |   1106  (nan) |   342   (nan) | 30.92   (
> nan) |
> |  04/2014 |   1510  (  36.53) |   448   (  30.99) | 29.67   (  
> -4.05) |
> |  10/2014 |   1893  (  25.36) |   506   (  12.95) | 26.73   (  
> -9.91) |
> |  04/2015 |   2169  (  14.58) |   548   (   8.30) | 25.27   (  
> -5.48) |
> |  10/2015 |   2759  (  27.20) |   619   (  12.96) | 22.44   ( 
> -11.20) |
> |  04/2016 |   3284  (  19.03) |   652   (   5.33) | 19.85   ( 
> -11.51) |
> |  10/2016 |   3517  (   7.10) |   801   (  22.85) | 22.78   (  
> 14.71) |
> +--+---+---+---+
> 
> Election CIVS links
>  10/2014: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_c105db929e6c11f4
>  04/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ef1379fee7b94688
>  10/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
>  04/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
>  10/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010
> 
> It's interesting to note that we increased voter turnout this election,
> perhaps as a side effect of the complications with emailing the ballots?

Not that I want to put any more stress on our friends over at Cornell -
I'd be curious to see what effect re-sending ballots every day of the
period would have on turnout. It's not a particularly easy thing to do a
meaningful double-blind test of, of course.

It's really nice to see that we had an increase in turnout percentage
even in the face of having our largest electorate yet.

Thanks for all your great work!!!

Monty



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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-09 Thread Hugh Blemings 

On 10/10/2016 11:07, Michael Davies wrote:

Thank you Tony, Tristan and Nate for serving our community by performing
this often-thankless task!


+2 million :)

Cheers,
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-09 Thread Michael Davies 
Thank you Tony, Tristan and Nate for serving our community by performing
this often-thankless task!
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-10-09 Thread Tony Breeds 
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:49:12AM +1100, Tony Breeds wrote:
> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> Emilien Macchi (emilienm)
> Jeremy Stanley (fungi)
> Monty Taylor (mordred)
> Sean Dague (sdague)
> Steve Martinelli (stevemar)
> 
> 
> Full results: 
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010

Following up on this  Here are some statistics for this election:

+--+---+---+---+
| Election | Electorate  (delta %) | Voted   (delta %) | Turnout %   (delta %) |
+--+---+---+---+
|  10/2013 |   1106  (nan) |   342   (nan) | 30.92   (nan) |
|  04/2014 |   1510  (  36.53) |   448   (  30.99) | 29.67   (  -4.05) |
|  10/2014 |   1893  (  25.36) |   506   (  12.95) | 26.73   (  -9.91) |
|  04/2015 |   2169  (  14.58) |   548   (   8.30) | 25.27   (  -5.48) |
|  10/2015 |   2759  (  27.20) |   619   (  12.96) | 22.44   ( -11.20) |
|  04/2016 |   3284  (  19.03) |   652   (   5.33) | 19.85   ( -11.51) |
|  10/2016 |   3517  (   7.10) |   801   (  22.85) | 22.78   (  14.71) |
+--+---+---+---+

Election CIVS links
 10/2014: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_c105db929e6c11f4
 04/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ef1379fee7b94688
 10/2015: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
 04/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
 10/2016: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_356e6c1b16904010

It's interesting to note that we increased voter turnout this election,
perhaps as a side effect of the complications with emailing the ballots?

Yours Tony.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-11 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy 
On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 03:14:33PM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:

[...]

> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link
> it to "one commit").

Agreed.  FWIW, I recall discussing this in the hallways of the Paris
Summit, and suggesting something like 3-5 commits and someway to also
include aspects like meaningful investigative comments in bugs, root
cause analysis / providing reproducers, etc -- they're not sexy, and
won't result in commits, but damn sure are valuable, as we know.

> It will likely result in a drop in contributors numbers
> (gasp), but a saner electorate.

It certainly deters the 'do-just-enough-to-get-a-pass' people; 
if that means less contributors, so be it.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-11 Thread Thierry Carrez 

Jeremy Stanley wrote:

On 2016-04-08 14:04:15 + (+), gordon chung wrote:
[...]

understandably it's more difficult to manage a large group of
cores, but it does seem strange that all the projects have roughly
the same core team size even though some projects have a
contributor base that is significantly larger than others.


That may be a sign that something like Dunbar's number is at work
limiting group sizes. Crunching Gerrit approver group membership
counts across 566 official Git repos (those belonging to a TC
recognized project team), 90% have 17 or fewer accounts capable of
approving changes. Below that there's a pretty varied spread (with
23% of repos having only 1 approver). This is a pretty raw analysis
though, so something taking into account how many of those reviewers
regularly exercised their approval access may yield different
insights entirely.


Yes, there is a limit here, and it's got to do with trust. To grow a 
core reviewer group efficiently you need to trust that everyone in the 
group would still review and approve with the same rules you would 
apply. It's just difficult to know 20 people enough to trust them to do 
just that. That is the reason why core reviewers groups rarely grow past 
17-18 people, and that is the reason why you need to split larger bodies 
of codes into smaller review areas handled by separate groups.


--
Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-09 Thread Jim Meyer 
On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Eoghan Glynn  wrote:
> Another approach to consider would be to continue to offer the ATC
> pass for a single commit, but to require a little more participation
> in order to vote in TC/PTL elections (modulo Foundation bye-laws etc.)

+1 on this. A commit gets you invite to engage more; some larger contribution 
demonstrates that you're more engaged, meriting the ability to influence 
direction.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Monty Taylor 

On 04/08/2016 02:01 PM, Tim Bell wrote:


On 08/04/16 20:08, "gordon chung"  wrote:




On 08/04/2016 9:14 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:

Eoghan Glynn wrote:

However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
the first time:


Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
===
Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
Apr '14  | 1510(+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)



This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
participating in TC elections is a concern.


One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are
not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit
inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.

It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3
patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still
drops as much.

Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it
to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors
numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.



just for reference, while only affecting a subset of the electorate, if
you look at the PTL elections, they all had over 40% turnout (even the
older and larger projects).

it may be because of those with "one commit", but if that were the case,
you would think the turnout would be inline/similar to the PTL elections.


It could also be that the projects with the lower hanging fruit were 
uncontested.

BTW, I don’t feel that a 1 commit person should be ignored in the voting. Many 
of us
have roles which do not mean we spend all the time committing but when we see 
something
wrong in the docs, spend a few hours to go through the process. I certainly 
favor
those PTLs/TC members in my voting who still count the sum of this contribution 
to be significant.

As we progress further with the UC-Recognition activity, there will be further 
discussion
on this so I feel waiting for that work to make a proposal on how those people 
could also
contribute to setting the technical direction.


I think the two thoughts are not mutually exclusive. The existence of a 
commit was an easy thing to track early on. I think it's problematic 
both in being too lax a guide for who is involved as the one commit 
issue shows, and also too strict - as the UC/Operator problem shows.


Ultimately the question isn't "how many commits is the right number" but 
"how do we recognize our electorate as close as we can as being the set 
of people who are actually involved and interested and part of the 
community". I'm pretty sure all systems we will devise to describe such 
a set of people will be deficient in some way, but I think purely one 
commit can be improved on from many directions.


Monty


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Eoghan Glynn 


> > Increase the commit requirements, but don't remove the summit pass
> > perk. You'll add a barrier for ATCs and see fewer of them at
> > summits.
> 
> The commit counts for the latest TC electorate show 27% had only one
> merged change in Gerrit during the qualifying one year period. It's
> worth keeping in mind that for recent summits only the current
> cycle's contributions were taken into account for free passes
> though, rather than a full year, so it's possibly more telling that
> 40% of the electorate had only 1 or 2 qualifying commits (the bare
> minimum to get free conference registration for Liberty, Mitaka or
> both).
> 
> A basic regression analysis of the owner totals for 3 through 50
> changes closely fits a power curve of 857.39*x^-1.239 and comes

Thanks Jeremy for doing the analysis, that model curve just begs
to be graphed :)  

/E

> within 3.3% of predicting how many of the electorate have only one
> change, but falls 15% short of predicting those with two. That said,
> the deviation only means an additional 94 more contributors who had
> one or two changes than the model predicts there should be, so I
> don't think there's a strong enough correlation with the limited
> data we have to say for sure that free summit passes result in a
> significant bloat in electorate size (certainly a lot less of one
> than I expected anyway).
> --
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Eoghan Glynn 


> >> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
> >> the first time:
> >
> >Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
> >===
> >Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
> >Apr '14  | 1510  (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
> >Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
> >Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
> >Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
> >Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
> >
> >>
> >> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
> >> participating in TC elections is a concern.
> 
> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are
> not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit
> inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
> 
> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3
> patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still
> drops as much.
> 
> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it
> to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors
> numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.

I'd be -1 on removing this "perk" ... I prefer to think of it as
something that contributors "earn" by their efforts.

OTOH I'd be fine with moving the goalposts somewhat to require more
than a single commit. Increasing that to 3 or 5 commits would likely
still result in some contributors dividing that single patch into a
series of 3, but for others might not be worth the effort.

Another approach to consider would be to continue to offer the ATC
pass for a single commit, but to require a little more participation
in order to vote in TC/PTL elections (modulo Foundation bye-laws etc.)

Cheers,
Eoghan

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Eoghan Glynn 


> > > > Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
> > > >
> > > > << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> > > > * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
> > > > * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
> > > > * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
> > > > * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
> > > > * Mike Perez (thingee)
> > > > * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
> > > > * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
> > > >
> > > > Full results:
> > > > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
> > > >
> > > > Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good
> > group of
> > > > candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need
> > to
> > > > ensure
> > > > your voice is heard.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for another great round.
> > > >
> > > > Here's to Newton!
> > >
> > > Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
> > > the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
> > > for putting themselves out there.
> > >
> > > It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
> > > elections was established, which was great to see.
> > >
> > > However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
> > > the first time:
> > >
> > >  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
> > >  ===
> > >  Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
> > >  Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
> > >  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
> > >  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
> > >  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
> >
> > Meh, I screwed up that table, not enough coffee yet today :)
> >
> > Should be:
> >
> >   Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
> >   ===
> >   Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
> >   Apr '14  | 1510   (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
> >   Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
> >   Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
> >   Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
> >   Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
> >
> 
> ​It would also be interesting to know how the "long tail" of OpenStack has
> evolved over time, as well.
> 
> https://twitter.com/tcarrez/status/710858829760598017
> 
> "​A long tail: ~2500 devs are involved in #OpenStack Mitaka, but less than
> 200 devs produce more than 50% of changes"
> 
> 652 contributors represents roughly 80% of the changes in Mitaka by
> eye-balling that graph.  That doesn't sound as bad.

Very true, though of course we've no way of knowing the intersection
between the ATCs responsible for 80% of the commits, and the voters
who turned out for the TC election. Intuition suggests the more engaged
a contributor is, the more likely she is to vote in TC elections. But
it would be great to have hard data to back that up.

I wonder if it would be possible to tag each vote with the approximate
range of commits that voter has on their record, without breaking
anonymity ... e.g. by encoding in each personalized voting URL the
bucket that voter falls into in rough terms (e.g. 1-5 commits, 10-50,
50-100 etc.)

I'd be less worried about the TC election participation rates declining
and lagging far behind the PTL elections if we'd more visibility on
what cohorts of voters are ignoring TC elections.

Cheers,
Eoghan

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Tim Bell 

On 08/04/16 20:08, "gordon chung"  wrote:

>
>
>On 08/04/2016 9:14 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> Eoghan Glynn wrote:
 However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
 the first time:
>>>
>>>Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>>===
>>>Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>>Apr '14  | 1510(+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>>>Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>>>Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>>Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>>Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>>>

 This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
 participating in TC elections is a concern.
>>
>> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
>> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
>> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are
>> not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit
>> inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
>>
>> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3
>> patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still
>> drops as much.
>>
>> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it
>> to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors
>> numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.
>>
>
>just for reference, while only affecting a subset of the electorate, if 
>you look at the PTL elections, they all had over 40% turnout (even the 
>older and larger projects).
>
>it may be because of those with "one commit", but if that were the case, 
>you would think the turnout would be inline/similar to the PTL elections.

It could also be that the projects with the lower hanging fruit were 
uncontested.

BTW, I don’t feel that a 1 commit person should be ignored in the voting. Many 
of us
have roles which do not mean we spend all the time committing but when we see 
something
wrong in the docs, spend a few hours to go through the process. I certainly 
favor
those PTLs/TC members in my voting who still count the sum of this contribution 
to be significant.

As we progress further with the UC-Recognition activity, there will be further 
discussion
on this so I feel waiting for that work to make a proposal on how those people 
could also
contribute to setting the technical direction.

Tim

>
>cheers,
>-- 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread gordon chung 


On 08/04/2016 9:14 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Eoghan Glynn wrote:
>>> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
>>> the first time:
>>
>>Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>===
>>Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>Apr '14  | 1510(+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>>Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>>Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>>
>>>
>>> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
>>> participating in TC elections is a concern.
>
> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are
> not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit
> inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
>
> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3
> patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still
> drops as much.
>
> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it
> to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors
> numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.
>

just for reference, while only affecting a subset of the electorate, if 
you look at the PTL elections, they all had over 40% turnout (even the 
older and larger projects).

it may be because of those with "one commit", but if that were the case, 
you would think the turnout would be inline/similar to the PTL elections.

cheers,
-- 
gord

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley 
On 2016-04-08 14:04:15 + (+), gordon chung wrote:
[...]
> understandably it's more difficult to manage a large group of
> cores, but it does seem strange that all the projects have roughly
> the same core team size even though some projects have a
> contributor base that is significantly larger than others.

That may be a sign that something like Dunbar's number is at work
limiting group sizes. Crunching Gerrit approver group membership
counts across 566 official Git repos (those belonging to a TC
recognized project team), 90% have 17 or fewer accounts capable of
approving changes. Below that there's a pretty varied spread (with
23% of repos having only 1 approver). This is a pretty raw analysis
though, so something taking into account how many of those reviewers
regularly exercised their approval access may yield different
insights entirely.
-- 
Jeremy Stanley
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Jeremy Stanley 
On 2016-04-08 09:43:59 -0400 (-0400), Ryan Brady wrote:
> Increase the commit requirements, but don't remove the summit pass
> perk. You'll add a barrier for ATCs and see fewer of them at
> summits.

The commit counts for the latest TC electorate show 27% had only one
merged change in Gerrit during the qualifying one year period. It's
worth keeping in mind that for recent summits only the current
cycle's contributions were taken into account for free passes
though, rather than a full year, so it's possibly more telling that
40% of the electorate had only 1 or 2 qualifying commits (the bare
minimum to get free conference registration for Liberty, Mitaka or
both).

A basic regression analysis of the owner totals for 3 through 50
changes closely fits a power curve of 857.39*x^-1.239 and comes
within 3.3% of predicting how many of the electorate have only one
change, but falls 15% short of predicting those with two. That said,
the deviation only means an additional 94 more contributors who had
one or two changes than the model predicts there should be, so I
don't think there's a strong enough correlation with the limited
data we have to say for sure that free summit passes result in a
significant bloat in electorate size (certainly a lot less of one
than I expected anyway).
-- 
Jeremy Stanley
Owners of only 1 changes: 887
Owners of only 2 changes: 428
Owners of only 3 changes: 242
Owners of only 4 changes: 178
Owners of only 5 changes: 112
Owners of only 6 changes: 110
Owners of only 7 changes: 70
Owners of only 8 changes: 66
Owners of only 9 changes: 56
Owners of only 10 changes: 50
Owners of only 11 changes: 45
Owners of only 12 changes: 35
Owners of only 13 changes: 31
Owners of only 14 changes: 34
Owners of only 15 changes: 31
Owners of only 16 changes: 23
Owners of only 17 changes: 19
Owners of only 18 changes: 28
Owners of only 19 changes: 21
Owners of only 20 changes: 17
Owners of only 21 changes: 18
Owners of only 22 changes: 17
Owners of only 23 changes: 22
Owners of only 24 changes: 14
Owners of only 25 changes: 12
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Anita Kuno 
On 04/08/2016 09:14 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Eoghan Glynn wrote:
>>> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
>>> the first time:
>>
>>Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>===
>>Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>Apr '14  | 1510(+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>>Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>>Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>>
>>>
>>> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
>>> participating in TC elections is a concern.
> 
> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are
> not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit
> inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
> 
> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3
> patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still
> drops as much.
> 
> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it
> to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors
> numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.
> 

I think that splitting the Conference & Summit single event into two
separate events might make the summit pass perk redundant anyway.

I do look forward to evaluating election statistics once we address the
inflated numbers of single patch contributors.

Thanks Thierry,
Anita.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread gordon chung 


On 08/04/2016 9:32 AM, Sheel Rana Insaan wrote:
> I agree with Thierry Carrez  , I think this would help.
>
> Along with this, we need to motivate new joiners to continue with openstack.
> Most of them leave earlier or participate less due to some demotivating
> factors like coding is easy but getting things reviewed is much
> difficult. :)
>
> In every group we have aome extra ordinary guys who help new
> contributors join and continue with, but some are just enjoying corehood.
> May be we should also make core members on rotation basis to give equal
> chances to everyone. This will also motivate those who are working for
> openstack in their part time.
>

forced rotations arguably wouldn't be fair to the cores that are still 
active. maybe it's best if projects don't adhere to some unwritten 
self-imposed "one out, one in" core rule. understandably it's more 
difficult to manage a large group of cores, but it does seem strange 
that all the projects have roughly the same core team size even though 
some projects have a contributor base that is significantly larger than 
others.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Ryan Brady 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Thierry Carrez 
wrote:

> Eoghan Glynn wrote:
>
>> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
>>> the first time:
>>>
>>
>>Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>===
>>Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>Apr '14  | 1510  (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>>Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>>Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>>
>>
>>> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
>>> participating in TC elections is a concern.
>>>
>>
> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are not
> really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit inflated,
> resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
>
> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3 patch
> contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still drops as
> much.
>
> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it to
> "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors numbers
> (gasp), but a saner electorate.


Increase the commit requirements, but don't remove the summit pass perk.
You'll add a barrier for ATCs and see fewer of them at summits.


>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Sheel Rana Insaan 
I agree with Thierry Carrez  , I think this would help.

Along with this, we need to motivate new joiners to continue with openstack.
Most of them leave earlier or participate less due to some demotivating
factors like coding is easy but getting things reviewed is much difficult.
:)

In every group we have aome extra ordinary guys who help new contributors
join and continue with, but some are just enjoying corehood.
May be we should also make core members on rotation basis to give equal
chances to everyone. This will also motivate those who are working for
openstack in their part time.

A lot of other suggestions as well, but mail growing longer..:)

Best Regards,
Sheel Rana
On Apr 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Thierry Carrez"  wrote:

> Eoghan Glynn wrote:
>
>> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
>>> the first time:
>>>
>>
>>Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>===
>>Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>Apr '14  | 1510  (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>>Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>>Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>>
>>
>>> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
>>> participating in TC elections is a concern.
>>>
>>
> One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of
> giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more
> one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are not
> really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit inflated,
> resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.
>
> It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3 patch
> contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still drops as
> much.
>
> Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it to
> "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors numbers
> (gasp), but a saner electorate.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Thierry Carrez 

Eoghan Glynn wrote:

However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
the first time:


   Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
   ===
   Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
   Apr '14  | 1510  (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
   Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
   Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
   Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
   Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)



This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
participating in TC elections is a concern.


One way to look at it is that every cycle (mostly due to the habit of 
giving summit passes to recent contributors) we have more and more 
one-patch contributors (more than 600 in Mitaka), and those usually are 
not really interested in voting... So the electorate number is a bit 
inflated, resulting in an apparent drop in turnout.


It would be interesting to run the same analysis but taking only >=3 
patch contributors as "expected voters" and see if the turnout still 
drops as much.


Long term I'd like to remove the summit pass perk (or no longer link it 
to "one commit"). It will likely result in a drop in contributors 
numbers (gasp), but a saner electorate.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Russell Bryant 
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eoghan Glynn  wrote:

>
>
> > > Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
> > >
> > > << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> > > * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
> > > * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
> > > * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
> > > * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
> > > * Mike Perez (thingee)
> > > * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
> > > * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
> > >
> > > Full results:
> > > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
> > >
> > > Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good
> group of
> > > candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
> > >
> > > Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need
> to
> > > ensure
> > > your voice is heard.
> > >
> > > Thank you for another great round.
> > >
> > > Here's to Newton!
> >
> > Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
> > the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
> > for putting themselves out there.
> >
> > It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
> > elections was established, which was great to see.
> >
> > However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
> > the first time:
> >
> >  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
> >  ===
> >  Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
> >  Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
> >  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
> >  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
> >  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>
> Meh, I screwed up that table, not enough coffee yet today :)
>
> Should be:
>
>   Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>   ===
>   Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>   Apr '14  | 1510   (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>   Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>   Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>   Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>   Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
>

​It would also be interesting to know how the "long tail" of OpenStack has
evolved over time, as well.

https://twitter.com/tcarrez/status/710858829760598017

"​A long tail: ~2500 devs are involved in #OpenStack Mitaka, but less than
200 devs produce more than 50% of changes"

652 contributors represents roughly 80% of the changes in Mitaka by
eye-balling that graph.  That doesn't sound as bad.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Tristan Cacqueray 
On 04/08/2016 12:35 PM, Eoghan Glynn wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
>>>
>>> << REMOVE UNEEDED >
>>> * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
>>> * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
>>> * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
>>> * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
>>> * Mike Perez (thingee)
>>> * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
>>> * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
>>>
>>> Full results:
>>> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
>>>
>>> Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
>>> candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
>>>
>>> Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to
>>> ensure
>>> your voice is heard.
>>>
>>> Thank you for another great round.
>>>
>>> Here's to Newton!
>>
>> Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
>> the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
>> for putting themselves out there.
>>
>> It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
>> elections was established, which was great to see.
>>
>> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
>> the first time:
>>
>>  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>>  ===
>>  Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>>  Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
>>  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>>  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>>  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
> 
> Meh, I screwed up that table, not enough coffee yet today :)
> 
> Should be:
> 
>   Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>   ===
>   Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>   Apr '14  | 1510 (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
>   Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
>   Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>   Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>   Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)
> 
> Cheers,
> Eoghan
> 
>>
>> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
>> participating in TC elections is a concern.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eoghan
>>



Here is my take on TC election's statistics:
* voter count between L->M: +71 and M->N: +33
* those 33 new voters represent 5.33% of the voter count

So while the voter count growth doesn't scale with electorate, it is
still a positive trend where more and more people vote at each elections.

Regards,
-Tristan



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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Sylvain Bauza 



Le 08/04/2016 14:24, Eoghan Glynn a écrit :



Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.

<< REMOVE UNEEDED >
* Davanum Srinivas (dims)
* Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
* John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
* Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
* Mike Perez (thingee)
* Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
* Thierry Carrez (ttx)

Full results:
http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a

Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.

Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to
ensure
your voice is heard.

Thank you for another great round.

Here's to Newton!

Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
for putting themselves out there.

It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
elections was established, which was great to see.

However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
the first time:

  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
  ===
  Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
  Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)

This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
participating in TC elections is a concern.


Honestly, I think that now OpenStack is better known, most people 
wanting to implement their own features are just thinking about that, 
and not trying to be in the community.


I could review how many people provide more than one patch, but I think 
we'd see that now we have more contributors but not really helping 
OpenStack, just trying to get what they want.


-Sylvain


Cheers,
Eoghan

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Eoghan Glynn 


> > Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
> > 
> > << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> > * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
> > * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
> > * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
> > * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
> > * Mike Perez (thingee)
> > * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
> > * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
> > 
> > Full results:
> > http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
> > 
> > Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
> > candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
> > 
> > Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to
> > ensure
> > your voice is heard.
> > 
> > Thank you for another great round.
> > 
> > Here's to Newton!
> 
> Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
> the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
> for putting themselves out there.
> 
> It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
> elections was established, which was great to see.
> 
> However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
> the first time:
> 
>  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
>  ===
>  Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
>  Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
>  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
>  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
>  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)

Meh, I screwed up that table, not enough coffee yet today :)

Should be:

  Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
  ===
  Oct '13  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
  Apr '14  | 1510   (+36.52)  | 448   | 29.69   (-4.05)
  Oct '14  | 1893   (+25.35)  | 506   | 26.73   (-9.91)
  Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
  Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
  Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)

Cheers,
Eoghan

> 
> This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
> participating in TC elections is a concern.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eoghan
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-08 Thread Eoghan Glynn 


> Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
> * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
> * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
> * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
> * Mike Perez (thingee)
> * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
> * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
> 
> Full results:
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
> 
> Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
> candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
> 
> Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to
> ensure
> your voice is heard.
> 
> Thank you for another great round.
> 
> Here's to Newton!

Thanks Tony for efficiently running this election, congrats to
the candidates who prevailed, and thanks to everyone who ran
for putting themselves out there.

It was the most open race since the pattern of TC 2.0 half-
elections was established, which was great to see.

However, the turnout continues to slide, dipping below 20% for
the first time:

 Election | Electorate (delta %) | Votes | Turnout (delta %)
 ===
 Oct '16  | 1106 | 342   | 30.92
 Apr '14  | 1893   (+71.16)  | 506   | 26.73   (-13.56)
 Apr '15  | 2169   (+14.58)  | 548   | 25.27   (-5.48)
 Oct '15  | 2759   (+27.20)  | 619   | 22.44   (-11.20)
 Apr '16  | 3284   (+19.03)  | 652   | 19.85   (-11.51)

This ongoing trend of a decreasing proportion of the electorate
participating in TC elections is a concern.

Cheers,
Eoghan 

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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-07 Thread Anita Kuno 
On 04/07/2016 08:51 PM, Tony Breeds wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 10:03:11AM +1000, Tony Breeds wrote:
>> Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
>>
>> << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> 
> *sigh*, clearly this was a templating error and no reflection on the fine
> community members and friends that were *not* elected to the TC.
> 
> I apologise unreservedly for any offense I have caused.
> 
> Yours Tony.
> 
> 
> 
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I picture you being held upside down outside a window in a brick
building as you say/type this.

As one of the UNEEDED, I accept your apology, Tony. :)

Thank you to you and Tristan for completing another fine election
season. Thank you to Spencer Krum for generating the electoral rolls.

Thank you to all candidates who put themselves forward, thank you to all
folks stepping down and congratulations to all members with a seat.

Should be a great session.

Thank you,
Anita.



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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-07 Thread Tony Breeds 
On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 10:03:11AM +1000, Tony Breeds wrote:
> Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> << REMOVE UNEEDED >

*sigh*, clearly this was a templating error and no reflection on the fine
community members and friends that were *not* elected to the TC.

I apologise unreservedly for any offense I have caused.

Yours Tony.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [all][elections] Results of the TC Election

2016-04-07 Thread Robert Collins 
Congrats everyone!

-Rob

On 8 April 2016 at 12:03, Tony Breeds  wrote:
> Please join me in congratulating the 7 newly elected members of the TC.
>
> << REMOVE UNEEDED >
> * Davanum Srinivas (dims)
> * Flavio Percoco (flaper87)
> * John Garbutt (johnthetubaguy)
> * Matthew Treinish (mtreinish)
> * Mike Perez (thingee)
> * Morgan Fainberg (morgan)/(notmorgan)
> * Thierry Carrez (ttx)
>
> Full results: 
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a
>
> Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
> candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process.
>
> Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to 
> ensure
> your voice is heard.
>
> Thank you for another great round.
>
> Here's to Newton!
>
> Yours Tony.
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [All][Elections] Results of the TC Election

2015-10-10 Thread Ed Leafe 
On Oct 9, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Tristan Cacqueray  wrote:

> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> * Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> * Monty Taylor (mordred)
> * Anne Gentle (annegentle)
> * Sean Dague (sdague)
> * Russell Bryant (russellb)
> * Kyle Mestery (mestery)

Congratulations to all of you - it's well deserved. And it makes losing feel 
much better knowing how well we'll all be represented on the TC.


-- Ed Leafe







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Re: [openstack-dev] [All][Elections] Results of the TC Election

2015-10-10 Thread Amrith Kumar 
Congratulations to the newly elected members of the TC, and thanks to all who 
ran for election, Mike, Joe, Clint, Steven, Joshua, Julien, Ed, Edgar, Carol, 
Justin, Rochelle and Maish! 

Thanks to Tristan and the rest of the election team for a smooth process. Now, 
on to Mitaka!

-amrith

> -Original Message-
> From: Tristan Cacqueray [mailto:tdeca...@redhat.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 8:05 PM
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> Subject: [openstack-dev] [All][Elections] Results of the TC Election
> 
> Please join me in congratulating the 6 newly elected members of the TC.
> 
> * Doug Hellmann (dhellmann)
> * Monty Taylor (mordred)
> * Anne Gentle (annegentle)
> * Sean Dague (sdague)
> * Russell Bryant (russellb)
> * Kyle Mestery (mestery)
> 
> Full results:
> http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_4ef58718618691a0
> 
> Thank you to all candidates who stood for election, having a good group of
> candidates helps engage the community in our democratic process,
> 
> Thank you to all who voted and who encouraged others to vote. We need to
> ensure your voice is heard.
> 
> Thanks to my fellow election official, Tony Breeds, I appreciate your help and
> perspective.
> 
> Thank you for another great round.
> 
> Here's to Mitaka,
> Tristan
> 

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