imp/exp question

2002-10-29 Thread Adrian Ciocildau
Hello,

I have a problem and I hope you can help me.

We have a Oracle 9 installation two users with two different default 
tablespaces. The problem is to move data between theese two users with 
imp/exp.

I'll try to explain it a little bit more.

we have userA with the default tablescape tabA and userB with tablB.

first we want to do something like:

exp userA/passA owner=(userA) file=dump.dmp

and after:

imp userB/passB fromuser=(userA) touser=(userB) file=dump.dmp


If we do not have BLOB columns everything works fine. I think the 
problem resides in the fact that in the case of a BLOB column the 
STORAGE clause specifies in which tablespace the BLOB column
should be stored and this is not handled by the imp program (not 
relocated in the tablespace B).

I'm sure there should be a way to handle this but I was not able
to find it.

Please help.


Adrian

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Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?

2002-10-29 Thread Denham Eva
Title: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?





Hello All,


I am writing an perl script. I cann't figure out and have been going through the docs, but cann't find exactly what I need.

A way to access Oracle Parameters as they are set up in the Win2k registary. I am specifically thinking of ORACLE_HOME. I do know how to obtain an environmental variable/parameter with $ENV{}.

But the ORACLE_HOME is not an environmental parameter per se.
I have a workaround by setting it up in the enviroment, however I would like to write this script with the aim at it being machine unspecific.

(Jared, hope you can answer me on this. Want to get a copy of your book, unfortunately with the exchange rate and import taxes etc it will cost me R590,00. Quiet a chunk of the ole budget, maybe early next year.)

Regards
Denham Eva
Oracle DBA
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RE: imp/exp question

2002-10-29 Thread Oracle
Dear

One of the solution is you can export in system user with two
user tables. You can exp/ imp blob column also. Later you can imp thru
system, but use from user and to user options. 

I think it will help u.


Thanks and Regards
V.Baskaran 

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Ciocildau
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:18
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hello,

I have a problem and I hope you can help me.

We have a Oracle 9 installation two users with two different default 
tablespaces. The problem is to move data between theese two users with 
imp/exp.

I'll try to explain it a little bit more.

we have userA with the default tablescape tabA and userB with tablB.

first we want to do something like:

exp userA/passA owner=(userA) file=dump.dmp

and after:

imp userB/passB fromuser=(userA) touser=(userB) file=dump.dmp


If we do not have BLOB columns everything works fine. I think the 
problem resides in the fact that in the case of a BLOB column the 
STORAGE clause specifies in which tablespace the BLOB column
should be stored and this is not handled by the imp program (not 
relocated in the tablespace B).

I'm sure there should be a way to handle this but I was not able
to find it.

Please help.


Adrian

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Re: imp/exp question

2002-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
Adrian Ciocildau wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I have a problem and I hope you can help me.
 
 We have a Oracle 9 installation two users with two different default
 tablespaces. The problem is to move data between theese two users with
 imp/exp.
 
 I'll try to explain it a little bit more.
 
 we have userA with the default tablescape tabA and userB with tablB.
 
 first we want to do something like:
 
 exp userA/passA owner=(userA) file=dump.dmp
 
 and after:
 
 imp userB/passB fromuser=(userA) touser=(userB) file=dump.dmp
 
 If we do not have BLOB columns everything works fine. I think the
 problem resides in the fact that in the case of a BLOB column the
 STORAGE clause specifies in which tablespace the BLOB column
 should be stored and this is not handled by the imp program (not
 relocated in the tablespace B).
 
 I'm sure there should be a way to handle this but I was not able
 to find it.
 
 Please help.
 
 Adrian
 

Adrian,

   what imp tries to do is recreate the object in the same tablespace as
it originates from, and if this fails (because the tablespace doesn't
exist or the target schema is not allowed to create segments in it) then
it falls back on the default tablespace.
Check that your target user HAS NOT the UNLIMITED TABLESPACE privilege,
and play on quotas (setting them, even temporarily, to 0, when you do
not want something to land somewhere) to direct segment creation where
you want it to happen. It would be easy if you only had tables, but the
presence of indexes, partitions or LOBs as in your case makes it a
little difficult to play with when you want to totally relocate
everything. It may be simpler to reimport under a different user but in
the same tablespaces and then MOVE objects.
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net8 for linux

2002-10-29 Thread sonny e. supilanas
hi, i learned that i need net8 for linux to rebuild the DBD-Oracle perl
module. where can i download one for free

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RE: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?

2002-10-29 Thread Bishop Lewis

Here's something to read registry keys I used a while back. Obviously needs
the win32 module installed.
 
use Win32::Registry;
 
$terminal = $ARGV[0];
 
$HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-Connect ($terminal, $hNode) || die Cannot connect to
$node;
$hNode-Open (SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows NT\\CurrentVersion\\Winlogon,
$hKey) || die Cannot open registry !;
$hKey-GetValues (\%values);
$hKey-Close ();
$hNode-Close ();
 
foreach $value (keys(%values)) {
  $RegType = $values{$value}-[1];
  $RegValue = $values{$value}-[2];
  $RegKey = $values{$value}-[0];
  if ($RegKey eq DefaultUserName) {$username = $RegValue;
print $RegValue\n;
  }
}
 
 
exit;
 
Modify accordingly. HTH.
 
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I am writing an perl script. I cann't figure out and have been going through
the docs, but cann't find exactly what I need.
A way to access Oracle Parameters as they are set up in the Win2k registary.
I am specifically thinking of ORACLE_HOME. I do know how to obtain an
environmental variable/parameter with $ENV{}.
But the ORACLE_HOME is not an environmental parameter per se. 
I have a workaround by setting it up in the enviroment, however I would like
to write this script with the aim at it being machine unspecific.
(Jared, hope you can answer me on this. Want to get a copy of your book,
unfortunately with the exchange rate and import taxes etc it will cost me
R590,00. Quiet a chunk of the ole budget, maybe early next year.)
Regards 
Denham Eva 
Oracle DBA 
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understand the simplicity. 
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Problem with Java/DBAStudio ??

2002-10-29 Thread MCUK
  Hi List, 

We have Oracle 8.1.7, SunOS 5.8, SunFire 280r.

While using  dbastudio and trying to add a database to the tree, no dialog 
box opened to allow this operation. 

I previously (some weeks before) have used dbastudio without any problems 
and have added several databases to the tree but this time no luck.I checked

the output on the x-session window that was running dbastudio and the 
following information was displayed (please see below). I have asked out SA 
what has changed on our system and he says nothing ! (ie no patches, no 
different versions of java etc) I have trawled the web for some help on 
this but to no avail. 

If anyone has come across this problem before I would welcome any 
assistance. 

Thanks in advance, 

Ron. 

Output Information :- 
Exception occurred during event dispatching: 
java.lang.NullPointerException 
at java.text.CollationElementIterator 
init(CollationElementIterator.java:109) 
at java.text.RuleBasedCollator.compare(RuleBasedCollator.java:364) 
at oracle.sysman.vth.VthCredentialRegistry$CredentialRecord 
compare(VthCredentialRegistry.java:413) 
at oracle.sysman.vth.VthCredentialRegistry$RecordList 
compareWithMask(VthCredentialRegistry.java:436) 
at oracle.sysman.vxx.VxxSortedList.compare(VxxSortedList.java:172) 
at oracle.bali.share.sort.Search._bSearch(Search.java:88) 
at oracle.bali.share.sort.Search.bSearch(Search.java:31) 
at oracle.sysman.vxx.VxxSortedList.search(VxxSortedList.java:180) 
at oracle.sysman.vth.VthCredentialRegistry 
getDBCredential(VthCredentialRegistry.java:108) 
at oracle.sysman.vth.VthAddConnCmd._getAliasSrc(VthAddConnCmd 
java:429) 
at oracle.sysman.vth.VthAddConnCmd._createUI(VthAddConnCmd.java:320) 
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at oracle.sysman.vth.VthCommandHandler 
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at oracle.sysman.vth.VthCommandHandler 
commandIssued(VthCommandHandler.java:106) 
at oracle.sysman.emSDK.client.guiComponent.commandAdapter 
ApplicationAdapter.commandIssued(ApplicationAdapter.java:172) 
at oracle.sysman.emSDK.client.guiComponent.commandAdapter 
SystemCommandAdapter.commandIssued(SystemCommandAdapter.java:105) 
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at oracle.ewt.lwAWT.LWComponent.processEvent(Unknown Source) 
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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
 
 
  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
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 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
 extra
  material to
  spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
 the
  
  developers
  documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
 keeps
   a
  database
  running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
 great
  
  teacher.
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  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
 
 
  I just wanted to say...
 
  If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with
   Scott
  Gossett
  at Oracle, I highly recommend it.
 
  I wish I knew half of what he knows!
 
  The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it
 should be
  
  given a
  higher profile though.
 
  Regards,
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
  Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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Re: [Q] what kind of documents shoud contractor provide to me before

2002-10-29 Thread Rick_Cale

I suspect the contractor will only provide the documents all parties agreed
to be delivered at completion.
Deliverables are part of the contract and require a considerable amount of
effort.  If your company did not
account for this my guess is to document it in your lessons learned.





   
   
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I agree with the others...

Asking a contractor for a pile of documentation at the end of the project
may or may not be well accepted...  If he's paid by the hour he may not
mind, if it was fixed price then he may develop a hearing problem.

Having said that...  If you do have the luxury of naming documents then I
would suggest a capacity plan that includes both initial sizing and growth
estimates broken down to a good level of detail.  It amazing how often
people don't even consider this when building an application with a tiny
amount of test data.

hth,
 Mark




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The list of documents should have been established
before the contract was signed.
A professionnal contractor would have told you that.

The contractor must follow your methodology and give
you the same documents as your internal IT teams.

On the DBA side, you should expect :
database architecture, logical data model, physical
data model, naming convention, backup and recovery
guide, security guide, a benchmarking document (if
some benchmarking was done).


 --- dist cash [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : 

 We have a application use ORACLE 8.1.6 and Forms 6i.
  This project going
 to finish soon.  Can anyone tell me what kind of
 documents should
 contractor provide to us before they leave?


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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Mark Leith
Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent:   29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
 
 
  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
 extra
  material to
  spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
 the
  
  developers
  documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
 keeps
   a
  database
  running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
 great
  
  teacher.
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
 
 
  I just wanted to say...
 
  If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with
   Scott
  Gossett
  at Oracle, I highly recommend it.
 
  I wish I knew half of what he knows!
 
  The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it
 should be
  
  given a
  higher profile though.
 
  Regards,
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
  Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
  Technology 

RE: Scheduling software

2002-10-29 Thread Anthony, Baiju
Try BMC 's Control-M

Thanks


-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:34 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


To ALL,

About a week ago I asked if anyone had an opinion of CA's AutoSys
product. 
Thanks to those who replied, but that was a pretty SMALL number.  Therefore
the
boss is asking what product(s) are the most used, especially in a PeopleSoft
environment where jobs have dependencies on each other.  OH, BTW the why
would
also be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Dick Goulet
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RE: List of Rows Updated

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: List of Rows Updated





Auditing is much simpler and usable than logminer for *this purpose*.


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-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:39 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: List of Rows Updated



Logminer comes to mind.
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 Hi,
 I want to get the list of rows which were updated(then commited) in a
 particular table say X on a specific date e.g yesterday.
 Is this possible and how ?

 Thanks
 Manoj.



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[no subject]

2002-10-29 Thread Levente Bodrogi
Hi,

I've installed Application Server Infrastructure 9i Release 2, but i
skipped the configuration assistants. The Enterprise Manager Console
doesn't discover the Oracle HTTP Server even if was started with the
dcmctl utility. Are there configuration tools that configure the HTTP
server and integrate it with the other components?

Levente Bodrogi
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RE: RE: oracle or mssql

2002-10-29 Thread Jenner Mike
List,
I'm always keen to refresh on database comparisons so thanks for
everyone's pointers.

I'm surprised Oracle doesn't make more of an issue about their locking and
concurrency methods (i.e. redo/rollback/undo). 

MSSQL seems to deal with it in two ways:
Default: readers and writers prevent writers from accessing data until they
are finished with it!
Other method: no control, you just get dirty reads!

Anyone got anything to add to this? Or am I wrong?

- Mike.


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Sent: 24 October 2002 17:29
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


As I said, use mssql ONLY if your boss is willing to be strapped into a
MicroSlop only platform.  If he's even remotely thinking of using a
different OS
then you can't use mssql.

Dick Goulet

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Date:   10/23/2002 11:48 PM

goodmorning
everybody who responded to my basic question : thanks

summary

professional : use oracle enterprise edition
semi professional : use oracle standard edition / mssql enterprise edition
in all other cases mssql standard edition



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 Verzonden:woensdag 23 oktober 2002 20:51
 Aan:  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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 Xenix is history now...SCO itself stopped it sometime in 1990
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:02:19 -0800
 
 XENIX maybe.
 
 : )
 
 Regards,
 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
 Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
 Technology Services| Services technologiques
 Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
 Maritimes Region, DFO  | Région des Maritimes, MPO
 
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Re: Re: 9iR1 vs 9iR2 ?

2002-10-29 Thread Yechiel Adar
We had to decide the same thing.
As soon as I saw that support is down in 9 months I decided to go with 9.2.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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 Thanx Joe.
 let me think about it.
 
 Jp.
 
 On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 Joe Testa wrote :
 based on metalink note, first level of support for 9ir1 ends 
 6/30/2003.
 
 you decide.
 
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RE: Installing iAS 9.0.2.0.1

2002-10-29 Thread Markus Reger
made the same experiences with iAS 92 and ended up
using 9iAS 1.0.2.2 for various reasons.

but we will try again, when oracle - hopefully - does provide a more comfortable way 
of installation. we use portal, single sign on in connection with novel ldap. was 
quite a toil to get it up and running but now it works fine. 
did the same with iAS 9.2.0 but response time and performance were horrible so we 
removed it again and ...see above.

good luck 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/02 16:42 PM 
If you only want it to do web apps it's not a
problem. We installed the OC4J and web cache
portion on Solaris in an hour. Very easy.
Needed it for version 1.3 of Java.
Next we will tackle the full install with the
infrastructure which will allow the use of Portal,
Reports and Discoverer. Expecting big time headaches
based on the documentation and the fact that we want
to use iPlanet not the OID for our LDAP.

Ben

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Gene,

We tried it on HPUX and it was not pretty.  We ended up going back to 9iAS
1.0.2.2 for various reasons.  Good luck.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
210.581.6217


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 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:34 PM
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Installing iAS 9.0.2.0.1

 Has anyone installed iAS 9.0.2.0.1 on Intel Linux?  I have downloaded the
 reams of documentation and this is a beast, much different than OAS 4.0.8.
 It requires a 9i db, Oracle Single SignOn, OID, OEM Server, 9i Listener w/
 port 1521 free for iAS, etc.  So many dependencies for iAS and I haven't
 even looked at deploying forms yet :).  I can't wait til 10i when DBA's
 are no longer required, *HA!*

 Gene

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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Tim Gorman
Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and
Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some
minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping
of US citizens.

I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like
the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle
Netherlands, it is quite probable.  I'm guessing that if the request was
made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already
hidden somewhere on the website?

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM


Are these Internals classes only available in the US?

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM


  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
 extra
  material to
  spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
 the
  
  developers
  documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
 keeps
   a
  database
  running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
 great
  
  teacher.
  - Original Message -
 

sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Daiminger, Helmut
Title: sqlplus /nolog





Hi!


I was wondering what


sqlplus /nolog


actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else?


This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.


Thanks,
Helmut





variables in reports

2002-10-29 Thread Markus Reger
hello to everybody

has somebody ever had the problem of accessing a variable in reports - need one that i 
can store a value on, retrieve a value from, that is accessible globally and can be 
displayed in the body part, regardless of frequency of group by's ecc. - something 
like a user parameter but without the ugly side effect of appearing every time the 
report is invoked.

kr mrr
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Re: BLOB Storage

2002-10-29 Thread Gene Sais
I have a 1tb db w/ 95% of it inline blobs, same tbs as data.  No performance 
degradation.  However, if I were to do it again, I would have separated the blobs out 
as B/R is a nightmare, soon to be better w/ RMAN.  I haven't received my RF RMAN book 
yet, amazon  must be backfilling orders.

hth,
Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/02 09:18PM 

We've got a table with a BLOB column that is currently at 3+ Gig (400,000 records). 
The max value in the BLOB column is 3k (average (1.5 K). We are currently 
storing the BLOB out of line (in a separate tablespace). The cache size 
for the BLOB is 8k (also the block size). Each BLOB is taking up 8K (at 
the least twice the space required by the BLOB). This table is expected 
to grow to 10+ million records in the next year. 


First of all, we're trying to convince the vendor to agree to partition 
the table.  
In addition (FINALLY the question :-) !!!), we're trying to decide 
whether we would gain anything (space being a constraint right now), 
from a storage standpoint in making the BLOB in line. 
Obviously we're not going to going to risk performance in order to save 
space :-) !!! 


I'm hoping someone in this list would have had some goog or bad 
experience in this regard.  Would there be a major performance hit if I 
change 
the BLOB to be in line   

Thanks,


Sunny




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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Anjo Kolk
No I have given them for Oracle in Holland, Belgium, Norway, Singapore
and Malaysia. 

Anjo.

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent:   29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
 
 
  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
 extra
  material to
  spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
 the
  
  developers
  documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
 keeps
   a
  database
  running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
 great
  
  teacher.
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
 
 
  I just wanted to say...
 
  If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course with
   Scott
  Gossett
  at Oracle, I highly recommend it.
 
  I wish I knew half of what he knows!
 
  The course isn't included in the OCP tracks, I think it
 should be
  
  given a
 

RE: Convert DM TSP to LM TSP w/ lots of data

2002-10-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Govind - I agree with Tom. Since you phrased your original question asking
for those who had done the conversion, the silence was your answer. If you
had also asked for replies from those who had decided to build new
tablespaces and convert the data ourselves, then more of us could have
replied. My reason for not using the conversion utility has to do with the
smell test. After you've been a DBA for awhile, you realize you have limited
time and you lose your eagerness to pursue things that will eat up enormous
amounts of time and come to nothing. In my situation, I was able to move a
table at a time to LMT as time permitted, and somehow I felt that the
resulting data situation would be better. I believe some of the new
nologging options may allow you to perform this while the table is still
available for DML. When first introduced, the conversion routines had some
bugs. I don't think the conversion routines are bad today, so they may work
just fine.


Dennis Williams 
DBA, 40%OCP 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:34 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I tried having Oracle convert DMT to LMT out a few times on 10 GB
tablespaces.  Whether or not that's a lot of data depends on you.  Worked
like a champ.  And this was in the early days of LMT.  People who pay a lot
of attention to the internals will warn you that converting a DMT to LMT is
not optimal.  Your bitmaps wind up at the end of the files instead of the
headers.
 
I've read posts here and elsewhere where people worried about the same
issues as they did with DMT.  They wanted to limit the number of extents
segments grew to by creating tablespaces with different sized fixed extents.
A DBA I worked with pointed out how very easy and quickly things worked with
letting Oracle automatically size the next extent.  I've gone that way
whenever possible and have never regretted it.  I've not done a rigorous
benchmark but can tell you from casual observation dropping an object with
lots of extents doesn't happen in the blink of an eye but doesn't lock out
all other space allocation as UET/FET weren't constantly in use and the ST
enque wasn't locked for exclusive use.
 
It's prudent to follow Oracle's recommendations if conditions permit.
Create a new LMT and move your data to it.

- Original Message - 
To: Multiple  mailto:ORACLE-L;fatcity.com recipients of list ORACLE-L 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:43 PM

I am reposting this. Has anyone tried to convert a dictionary managed table
space containing lots of data to locally managed? We have tried this out
successfully on empty table spaces or created a new LMT tablespace and moved
the existing objects to it. 
 
Thanks, 
Govind

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Re: Table Size

2002-10-29 Thread paquette stephane
The best way to calculate the size of a table is to
load it with 1000 production data rows. Then calculate
the size of the predicted volume. 
You should be able to handle the first year of data at
day 1.

Do not loose time to calculate the table size at the
byte level with formulas. 

For the temp tablespace, it depends on your
application needs. You should be able to rebuild all
objects successfully.

As for the rollback segment tablespace, then again it
depends on your application and number of users.

Do not forget space for exports, backups, workspace,
at least 2 versions of Oracle software, ...

I just went to a DB2 fast track for experienced DBA.
According to IBM, the total size for the DB
environment is 4 times the size of the data in the DB.
(DB2 uses a lot of temporary files outside the DB).



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 the space requirements 
 for our database for the production database. Can
 anybody suggest how to 
 calculate the size of a table. and also additionally
 how to calculate the 
 size of the whole database.?
 
 Regards
 Prem 

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Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: Implicit Date conversion problem





We have a query (please don't ask me why it is written this way)


--Doesn't work:
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
 from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
 from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
 and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
 episode_airings ea1
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
 and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'


vs.


--Works:
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
 from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
 from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
 and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
 episode_airings ea1
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
 and ea1.est_dt between trunc(to_date('20-Dec-02','DD-Mon-YY')) 
 and trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY'))


Also if we comment and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' the non-working query runs fine.
Does anyone know what could be wrong? The est_dt is a date column. This is 9201 ...


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Re: SPARC-III v Alpha

2002-10-29 Thread Hemant K Chitale

Thanks for the link !

Hemant

At 06:33 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote:

Hemant K Chitale wrote:

 Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun SPARC v Compaq
 (thenewhp) Alpha
 for Oracle Databases ?   I found some benchmark figures for Datawarehouses
 at the
 Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines configured 
for those
 benchmarks were extra-large machines !].

 Hemant K Chitale
 My web site page is :  http://hkchital.tripod.com


Perhaps that

http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware

can help ?

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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only
one teaching the classes.

Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and
Europe?

Rachel
--- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 
 
  -Original Message-
 Carmichael
 Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Internals course
 
 Tom,
 
 I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
 
 I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
 I'd share my luck.
 
 I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
 teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if
 they
 made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
 
 Rachel
 
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless
 about
  the
  details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
  course by
  searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that
 I
  just
  managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
  mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
  registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
  publicizing the course.
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
  
  
   I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
  
   you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
  find,
   but it IS there
  
  
   --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
  versions
now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
  non-disclosure
forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to
 Customer
Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
  Surely
not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty
 with
  a
two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit
 from
  the
course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
   
The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
  version
of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
  lost
their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
  because
a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and
 3,
  huh?
 I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle
 I
  had
that came on a single diskette.
   
Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have
 to
call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
  registered
for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up
 then
complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
course..
  - Original Message -
  From: Nick Wagner
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
   
   
  rumor has it that this course is not going to be
  offered/modified
for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
   
  Nick
   
  p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
  back
extremely pleased with it.
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
   
   
   
  Scott is the instructors's instructor
   
  he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
  instructors so
   
  they can teach them to you
   
  I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
  years
ago
  as well. He's a great teacher.
   
  If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
  HIM
   
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
  Scott
flies
   through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
  extra
   material to
   spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class
 how
  the
   
   developers
   documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
  keeps
a
   database
   running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
  great
   
   teacher.
   - Original Message -
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
  
  
   I just wanted to say...
  
   If you have a chance to take the Oracle Internals course
 with
Scott
   Gossett
   at 

RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Naveen Nahata
Any idea about the chances in INDIA? 

Regards
Naveen

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:39 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and
Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some
minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping
of US citizens.

I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like
the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle
Netherlands, it is quite probable.  I'm guessing that if the request was
made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already
hidden somewhere on the website?

- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM


Are these Internals classes only available in the US?

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM


  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
 extra
  material to
  spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class how
 the
  
  developers
  documented something then tell how it's actually 

RE: SPARC-III v Alpha

2002-10-29 Thread Hemant K Chitale

As a Consultant in a previous life I had done installations and upgrades
on various *nixs.  I did think that Alpha and HP PA-RISC were better
than SPARC.

In this current organisation [as an internal DBA], about 66% of the
larger databases are on Alpha and the rest on SPARC. Again, I get
the gut-feeling that Alpha is better.

Next week we'll be benchmarking a database that is going from Wintel
to either Alpha or SPARC.  As an organisation, I think we are looking
at balancing between SPARC and Alpha so I will be seeing more
Sun servers running Oracle here.  But there's no talk of HP PA-RISC
or Itanium yet !!

Regards
Hemant

At 07:28 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote:


The whole point is a bit moot now that Alpha is a dead platform.

Compaq sold the Alpha technology to Intel.  As far as HP's continued support
for Alpha, consider that HP is in a VERY competitive business; Unix makes up
only a small part of its bottom line; and it is currently sitting on three
Unix platforms: The old HP/UX boxes; the (supposed) new Itanium platform (so
they say, but I remain skeptical); and the Alpha platform that it inherited.
Even if Carly herself walked in and swore up and down that HP will continue
to support the Alpha, I would insist that there is no way HP is going to
commit resources to supporting three Unix platforms.  Right now, I think HP
is busy holding its finger to the wind and actively consulting The Magic 8
Ball and a Ouija board to determine its future Unix direction.

We use Alpha here.  I came to this shop from a predominantly Sun/Aix
environment.  I can say that Compaq's handling of the Alpha/Tru64 platform
make it the only version of Unix that makes NT look good.  My opinion is --
and this is just an opinion -- that any performance enhancements that were
achieved by the Compaq bunch were done so in the same way you would do it
with your PC: Overclock the bejeezus out of everything  with the
accompanying reduction of stability and component life.  I am convinced that
the latest Alpha technology is three year old tweaking of five year old
Alpha technology.

(Hope I didn't scuff up the soap box too much.)

And as long as I am at it here:
ps -eo args | nawk -F_ 'NF == 3  /ora_smon_/ {print $3}'



 -Original Message-
 From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:hkchital;singnet.com.sg]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:19 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: SPARC-III v Alpha



 Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun
 SPARC v Compaq
 (thenewhp) Alpha
 for Oracle Databases ?   I found some benchmark figures for
 Datawarehouses
 at the
 Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines
 configured for those
 benchmarks were extra-large machines !].



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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Bob Metelsky
Title: Message



It is 
just me or does 500-2000 per day seem a little "steep"? 


Oracle8i: Everything You Always Wanted to Know about 
the Optimizer 

  
  


  Instructor-Led 
inClass

  US$ 500

  1 Day 

  English

  English 


OR

INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE9I: SQL (ILT) BLOOMFIELD, CT 
02-DEC-02 US$2000  Remove from Shopping Cart  
INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE 8I: SQL AND PL/SQL (ILT) 
BLOOMFIELD, CT 17-FEB-03 US$2000  Remove from 
Shopping Cart  ADVANCED PL/SQL (ILT) 
BLOOMFIELD, CT 07-NOV-02 US$1000  Remove from 
Shopping Cart 






RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Jeroen van Sluisdam
Tim,

Do you  mean this Scott Gosset is working here in the Netherlands or
used to be? Any idea about these courses in the Netherlands?
I can always call Oracle support here but I doubt if they know
about it.

Tia,

Jeroen


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Tim Gorman [mailto:Tim;SageLogix.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 29 oktober 2002 14:09
Aan: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Onderwerp: Re: Oracle Internals course


Back in 1999, I taught the 8.0 version of these seminars in Venezuela and
Argentina and was scheduled to do so in Columbia as well, except for some
minor problems like a US State Department travel warning due to kidnapping
of US citizens.

I don't know if they ever tried to teach these in more obscure places like
the UK and Europe, but since they were compiled by a guy in Oracle
Netherlands, it is quite probable.  I'm guessing that if the request was
made in sufficient numbers, then it could be arranged, if its not already
hidden somewhere on the website?

- Original Message -
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:58 AM


Are these Internals classes only available in the US?

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM


  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  

Re: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Rodd Holman
Title: sqlplus /nolog




It opens up a sqlplus session session/shell on the server without logging into a database. The 9i version of sqlplus does not allow for a command line: sqlplus / as sysdba command. You have to login to sqlplus and when prompted for the username then add / as sysdba. The /nolog allows you to script running sqlplus and then having the connect / as sysdba as the first line in your sqlscript ie: sqlplus /nolog @myscript.sql



myscript.sql:

 connect / as sysdba

 select name from v$database;

 



Rodd



On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 07:29, Daiminger, Helmut wrote:

Hi!



I was wondering what



sqlplus /nolog



actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else?



This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.



Thanks,

Helmut






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Enterprise Data Systems Engineer
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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Actually, he isn't. There is another guy, named Scott Heisey, who teaches
an OPS/RAC version of this course. He is also supposed to be one of the 
great sages of the Oracle Corp. I've attended Scott Gossett's course and it 
was fabulous. I've only heard about Scott Heisey and it is my great wish to 
go to his course.

 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:24 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
 
 
 that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only
 one teaching the classes.
 
 Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and
 Europe?
 
 Rachel
 --- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 
  
   -Original Message-
  Carmichael
  Sent:   29 October 2002 11:04
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject:Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  Tom,
  
  I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
  
  I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars 
 and figured
  I'd share my luck.
  
  I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is 
 the only one
  teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if
  they
  made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
  
  Rachel
  
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless
  about
   the
   details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
   course by
   searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott 
 said that
  I
   just
   managed to luck out when I searched for the course and 
 found it.  I
   mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed 
 from online
   registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
   publicizing the course.
   - Original Message -
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
   
   
I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
   
you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
   find,
but it IS there
   
   
--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
   versions
 now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
 course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
   non-disclosure
 forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to
  Customer
 Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
   Surely
 not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty
  with
   a
 two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit
  from
   the
 course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.

 The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
   version
 of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
 initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
 itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle 
 DBAs have
   lost
 their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
   because
 a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and
  3,
   huh?
  I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle
  I
   had
 that came on a single diskette.

 Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have
  to
 call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
   registered
 for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up
  then
 complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
 course..
   - Original Message -
   From: Nick Wagner
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
   Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course


   rumor has it that this course is not going to be
   offered/modified
 for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?

   Nick

   p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
   back
 extremely pleased with it.

   -Original Message-
   From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course



   Scott is the instructors's instructor

   he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
   instructors so

   they can teach them to you

   I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
   years
 ago
   as well. He's a great teacher.

   If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
   HIM

   --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
   Scott
 flies

RE: RAID5+

2002-10-29 Thread Brooks, Russ
Thanks Greg.  I'd be very interested in what you find.
To address the other responses,
1. the raid-1 configuration had 24 mirrored disk sets (48 spindles total).  The raid-5 
configuration also had a total of 48 spindles.
2. I'll be glad to send the whitepaper to anyone who requests it.

Russ

-Original Message-
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:47 AM
To: Brooks, Russ


Russ-
The hardware architects within our shop have pointed out similar performance
information to me...
 
We are using HDS 9960 boxes, and the file systems will be setup as a RAID5
on the SAN as compared to RAID0+1 on the EMC frames that we have.. I believe
the RAID5 issue is related on to aHDS disk sub-system..
 
I'm trying to get some info from our HDS rep now.
 
greg

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Hi,
  I just got forwarded a whitepaper from Hitachi and Oracle, that compairs
raid 5+ and raid 1 using the TPC-C benchmark test suite.  The claim is that
raid 5 is as fast or faster.  While I'm waiting for a comparison or raid 5+
with raid 0+1, I thought I'd take a poll with the list.  The benchmark is
using the Hitachi 7700E.
  Has anyone heard other recommendations attributed to Oracle that are
pushing raid 5+ as the configuraton for unrivaled performance?  Has new
disk technology changed the general conception that raid 0 or 0+1 provides
better performance than other raid levels?
 
Thanks,
Russ

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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Mark Leith
What is shown to you on the Oracle Ed site, is actually based upon where you are 
located, within your login profile. I don't see any mention of Seminars what so ever 
(being UK based).. Can anyone else in the UK confirm this?

Cheers

Mark

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent:   29 October 2002 13:24
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:RE: Oracle Internals course

that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the only
one teaching the classes.

Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and
Europe?

Rachel
--- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 
 
  -Original Message-
 Carmichael
 Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Internals course
 
 Tom,
 
 I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
 
 I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
 I'd share my luck.
 
 I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
 teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if
 they
 made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
 
 Rachel
 
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless
 about
  the
  details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
  course by
  searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that
 I
  just
  managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
  mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
  registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
  publicizing the course.
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
  
  
   I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
  
   you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
  find,
   but it IS there
  
  
   --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
  versions
now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
  non-disclosure
forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to
 Customer
Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
  Surely
not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty
 with
  a
two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit
 from
  the
course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
   
The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
  version
of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
  lost
their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
  because
a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and
 3,
  huh?
 I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle
 I
  had
that came on a single diskette.
   
Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have
 to
call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
  registered
for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up
 then
complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
course..
  - Original Message -
  From: Nick Wagner
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
   
   
  rumor has it that this course is not going to be
  offered/modified
for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
   
  Nick
   
  p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
  back
extremely pleased with it.
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
   
   
   
  Scott is the instructors's instructor
   
  he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
  instructors so
   
  they can teach them to you
   
  I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
  years
ago
  as well. He's a great teacher.
   
  If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
  HIM
   
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
  Scott
flies
   through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
  extra
   material to
   spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class
 how
  the
   
   developers
   documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
  keeps
a
   database
   

RE: Scheduling software

2002-10-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Oxford is using maestro and it is a good software. 

 -Original Message-
 From: BALA,PRAKASH (HP-USA,ex1) [mailto:prakash.bala;hp.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:09 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: Scheduling software
 
 
 I have heard that 'Maestro' is pretty good. I have not used it so far.
 
 Prakash
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 15:56
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Dick - We've ended up using a variety: Built-in Unix cron, 
 our ERP package
 has a built-in scheduler, and on a home-grown development project the
 developers wrote their own scheduler so it has the same GUI 
 interface as
 their application. It is just another screen their users can 
 select. But we
 are more of a medium-sided site.
 
 Dennis Williams
 DBA, 40%OCP
 Lifetouch, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:04 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 To ALL,
 
 About a week ago I asked if anyone had an opinion of CA's AutoSys
 product. 
 Thanks to those who replied, but that was a pretty SMALL 
 number.  Therefore
 the
 boss is asking what product(s) are the most used, especially 
 in a PeopleSoft
 environment where jobs have dependencies on each other.  OH, 
 BTW the why
 would
 also be appreciated.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Dick Goulet
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RE: Table Size

2002-10-29 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Prem - Simple way to get in the ballpark with table size. Figure out how
large your average row is and multiply by the number of rows. This is only
approximate and you'll want to size larger for indexes and other effects
like the fact that your data blocks won't be 100% utilized. Better yet,
create a test table, insert some data, ANALYZE the table, and then get the
average row length from USER_TABLES view.
How large the entire database will be depends on many factors. If you
are just creating a simple test database and have a gig or so of space, then
you shouldn't have a problem. Oracle Installer is good today about sizing
everything for you. If you care to, look up the new feature Oracle Managed
Files, designed just for people like you. On the other hand, if you have a
special reason for being really, really concerned about precisely how much
space it will take, then welcome to the world of the Oracle DBA. We can help
you, but you need to provide more information. Hope this is what you were
asking.



Dennis Williams 
DBA, 40%OCP 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
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Dear List, 

I am using Oracle 9i database. I need to identify the space requirements for
our database for the production database. Can anybody suggest how to
calculate the size of a table. and also additionally how to calculate the
size of the whole database.? 

Regards 
Prem

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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
Rachel Carmichael wrote:
 Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK and
 Europe?
 
 Rachel

I am sure that Oracle UK has opted out of most of what is common fare on
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RE: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Magaliff, Bill
Title: sqlplus /nolog



it 
starts sqlplus without logging in to a database - 

  -Original Message-From: Daiminger, Helmut 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 
  2002 8:29 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: sqlplus /nolog
  Hi! 
  I was wondering what 
  sqlplus /nolog 
  actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing 
  username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else? 
  This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. 
  Thanks, Helmut 



Re: oracle client for linux

2002-10-29 Thread Ray Stell
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 08:58:32PM -0800, sonny e. supilanas wrote:
 hi, i'm totally new to oracle, we have a webserver running on mandrake
 and can make queries to mysql dbase using perl/cgi scripts on same unit 
 which works fine for our sites. but now, we have to connect to a remote
 oracle dbase w/c is on a remote server. i'm trying to install DBD:oracle
 module for perl connect string to oracle dbase, but compilation of this
 module aborts cause it looks for ORACLE_HOME parameters, where can i get
 a free oracle clients for linux or sources of these oracle libraries for
 linux so i can rebuild the Makefile.pl of the DBD:oracle module and set
 the required parameters...i've been trying to download it from OTN site
 (technet.oracle.com) but to no avail...any suggestions, thank you
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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem





Well,


Let me point out one thing  following is the original query ...


-- this returns no rows ... 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
 from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
 from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
 and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
 episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
 and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 


-- This DOES work ... returns all the right rows 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
 from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
 from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
 and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
 episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
-- and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 


Point to consider is that the commented out where clause is the same as the one used in the from clause query ... then why does it fail?

Tom: according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the string does get converted to a date ... 


The reason i am asking this I have to explain the developers on why this isn't working. They agree that explicit datatype conversion is a good idea but their managers want to know why ??

(yeah ... sure go ahead pity me ...)
Raj
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-Original Message-
From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:35 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: Jamadagni, Rajendra
Subject: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem



Raj,


you are forgetting how dates are stored internally vs. how they are displayed by sqlplus.


change your first query to:


select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
 from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
 from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
 and ea.est_dt between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-')
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
 episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
 and ea1.est_dt between between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-')


Your selection was not working properly because you ended up comparing string values with string values.


example: 21-Dec-2002 is not between 20-Dec-2002 and 01-Jan-2003 using string comparison 
 (21 is greater than 20 and 01 both).


hope this helps.


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Stand-by database implementation ...

2002-10-29 Thread Lizz Pena
Looks like I'm gonna implement a stand-by database on
Windows 2000 using Oracle 8.1.7.4

Anyone have any good article, how-tos, caviots I need
to consider or read up on?



Lizz

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RE: SPARC-III v Alpha

2002-10-29 Thread Jesse, Rich
If the TPCs can be believed, I guess this would make a good ruler, too:

http://www.top500.org/list/2002/06/

I don't even know what 3016 processors look like.  ;)

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 From: Hemant K Chitale [mailto:hkchital;singnet.com.sg]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:34 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: SPARC-III v Alpha
 
 
 
 Thanks for the link !
 
 Hemant
 
 At 06:33 AM 28-10-02 -0800, you wrote:
 Hemant K Chitale wrote:
  
   Does anyone have benchmark or comparative figures for Sun 
 SPARC v Compaq
   (thenewhp) Alpha
   for Oracle Databases ?   I found some benchmark figures 
 for Datawarehouses
   at the
   Oracle website but not for OLTP [then again, the machines 
 configured 
  for those
   benchmarks were extra-large machines !].
  
   Hemant K Chitale
   My web site page is :  http://hkchital.tripod.com
  
 
 Perhaps that
 
 http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_results.asp?orderby=hardware
 
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RE: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: sqlplus /nolog



Helmut,

It 
makes sqlplus act like svrmgrl. 

I use 
sqlplus this way, followed internally by a connect as sysdba command to start 
and shutdown the database on 9i.

Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

  -Original Message-From: Daiminger, Helmut 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 
  2002 8:29 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: sqlplus /nolog
  Hi! 
  I was wondering what 
  sqlplus /nolog 
  actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing 
  username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else? 
  This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. 
  Thanks, Helmut 



RE: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Gogala, Mladen
Title: sqlplus /nolog



It 
originates fromthe wonderful OS that used to have commands like "SET DEF", 
"MONITOR MODES",
"BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK SYS$ORACLE:[]*.* 
MU:" and alike. There is also an abomination
of 
this OS created by David Cuttler.


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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 
  2002 8:29 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: sqlplus /nolog
  Hi! 
  I was wondering what 
  sqlplus /nolog 
  actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing 
  username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else? 
  This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. 
  Thanks, Helmut 



Re: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jared Still

What does doesn't work mean?

Wrong data?

Error message?

etc...??

Also the trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY')) is not quite right 
most likely.

It should probably be:

  trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY'))

  to_date('01-Jan-03 23:59:59','DD-Mon-YY' HH24:MI:SS')

or if used with a variable:

  trunc(mydate+1) - (1/86400)

Jared


On Tuesday 29 October 2002 05:54, Jamadagni, Rajendra wrote:
 We have a query (please don't ask me why it is written this way)

 --Doesn't work:
 select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
   from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
  where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
  group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,
episode_airings ea1
 where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
   and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'

 vs.

 --Works:
 select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
   from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
  where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
  group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,
episode_airings ea1
 where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
   and ea1.est_dt between trunc(to_date('20-Dec-02','DD-Mon-YY'))
  and trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY'))

 Also if we comment and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' the
 non-working query runs fine.
 Does anyone know what could be wrong? The est_dt is a date column. This is
 9201 ...

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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Tom Pall
No.  Scott said he's been to a number of Pacific Ocean countries to teach
the course.  I suspect those courses where hosted by a company which had
offered enough internal enrollment.  As I recall, there's another instructor
who also teaches the Internals, Crashes/Dump/Traces and Backup/Recovery
seminars.  Be careful of all Oracle courses.  Some of them are subcontracted
out.  I don't warn you to put down consultants.  But this thread has been
about Scott and his internals course.  Scott's the star.

If you really want to make sure Scott's going to teach your course, phone
him up or drop him an email.  Don't expect him to respond the same day you
try to contact him.  When he's teaching, he's tied up through lunch and
dinner and sometimes even on the ride to the airport.  Many people go to the
course with specific questions they want answered.  Scott often handles
those during out of class hours.
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:58 AM


Are these Internals classes only available in the US?

 -Original Message-
Carmichael
Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Tom,

I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!

I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
I'd share my luck.

I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if they
made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!

Rachel

--- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless about
 the
 details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
 course by
 searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that I
 just
 managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
 mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
 registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
 publicizing the course.
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 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM


  I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
 
  you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
 find,
  but it IS there
 
 
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
 versions
   now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
   course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
 non-disclosure
   forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to Customer
   Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses?
 Surely
   not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty with
 a
   two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit from
 the
   course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
  
   The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
 version
   of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
   initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
   itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
 lost
   their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
 because
   a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and 3,
 huh?
I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle I
 had
   that came on a single diskette.
  
   Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have to
   call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
 registered
   for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up then
   complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
   course..
 - Original Message -
 From: Nick Wagner
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
 Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
 rumor has it that this course is not going to be
 offered/modified
   for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
  
 Nick
  
 p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
 back
   extremely pleased with it.
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  
 Scott is the instructors's instructor
  
 he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
 instructors so
  
 they can teach them to you
  
 I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
 years
   ago
 as well. He's a great teacher.
  
 If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
 HIM
  
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
 Scott
   flies
  through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots 

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oracle 8i CD

2002-10-29 Thread oracle prep
can someone provide me with a link to get a oracle 8i
CD ? 
there was one available from the oracle store for
around $40 (for 8i). i don't find that link there any more.

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RE: variables in reports

2002-10-29 Thread Naveen Nahata
If the value is not dependent on the parameters entered by the user then you
can have it a user parameter not displayed in  the parameter form.

Alternatively, you can also use a placeholder column to achieve the same. You
can place it outside of any group.

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hello to everybody

has somebody ever had the problem of accessing a variable in reports - need
one that i can store a value on, retrieve a value from, that is accessible
globally and can be displayed in the body part, regardless of frequency of
group by's ecc. - something like a user parameter but without the ugly side
effect of appearing every time the report is invoked.

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Re: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Philip Douglass
Title: sqlplus /nolog



sqlplus /nolog starts sqlplus, but does not connect 
you to any database, nor does it prompt you for a 
username/password.

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  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 
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  Subject: sqlplus /nolog
  
  Hi! 
  I was wondering what 
  sqlplus /nolog 
  actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing 
  username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else? 
  This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. 
  Thanks, Helmut 



RE: Scheduling software

2002-10-29 Thread Mark Leith
Dick,

We've looked at another scheduling tool that's paticularly good at cross platform job 
dependancies etc. that has support for Peoplesoft. The product is called OpCon/xps 
from a US based company called SMA. 

Before you ask, no, I receive no commisions from this company.. ;) We did in fact look 
in to taking on a distribution agreement (we knew one of the developers from a past 
life), but decided it wasn't an area we wanted to be in at the moment.. 

http://www.smausa.com/products/platforms.htm

Very good product by all accounts..

HTH

Mark

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Mladen
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Oxford is using maestro and it is a good software. 

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 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:09 PM
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 I have heard that 'Maestro' is pretty good. I have not used it so far.
 
 Prakash
 
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Dick - We've ended up using a variety: Built-in Unix cron, 
 our ERP package
 has a built-in scheduler, and on a home-grown development project the
 developers wrote their own scheduler so it has the same GUI 
 interface as
 their application. It is just another screen their users can 
 select. But we
 are more of a medium-sided site.
 
 Dennis Williams
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 To ALL,
 
 About a week ago I asked if anyone had an opinion of CA's AutoSys
 product. 
 Thanks to those who replied, but that was a pretty SMALL 
 number.  Therefore
 the
 boss is asking what product(s) are the most used, especially 
 in a PeopleSoft
 environment where jobs have dependencies on each other.  OH, 
 BTW the why
 would
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Re: List of Rows Updated

2002-10-29 Thread Tom Pall
Title: RE: List of Rows Updated



Gosh. I wish I worked in your shop. I'm 
typically asked to produce an audit report for yesterday on a table I didn't 
even know existed. "What do you mean you can't do that? Aren't you 
an Oracle DBA?"

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jamadagni, Rajendra 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:58 
  AM
  Subject: RE: List of Rows Updated
  
  Auditing is much simpler and usable than logminer for *this 
  purpose*. 
  Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni 
   MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com Any 
  opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. 
  QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion 
  is an art! 
  -Original Message- From: Tom 
  Pall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: List of Rows Updated 
  Logminer comes to mind. - Original 
  Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 
  October 28, 2002 10:23 PM 
   Hi,  I want to get the list of rows which 
  were updated(then commited) in a  particular table 
  say X on a specific date e.g yesterday.  Is this 
  possible and how ?   
  Thanks  Manoj. 



RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem





http://technet.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/release2/server.920/a96540/sql_elements2a.htm#54201


Look up for table 2-10 and then below the table look for 4th bullet ... that's where I found it out ...


At-least Tom you know my pain. but hey in this downturn economy along with saving money we are in a process of saving keystrokes (there-by saving electrons-electricity-company_bill-eventually_saving_company_money).

I have just about given up explaining this issue to developers and have asked them to open a tar with Oracle. They will believe it when OWS tells them this is wrong, what I say doesn't matter.

Raj
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From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:53 AM
To: Jamadagni, Rajendra; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem



Raj,


you said:


according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the string does get converted to a date ... 


This has got to be wrong. If you compare a varchar2 column with a number, Oracle try's to convert the varchar2 to a number, and we end up with an invalid number error. Oracle has not choice but to attempt to convert a database column to a literal - it can *never* go in the other direction because it cannot make the correct assumption. At least I would not try and provide that service.

I would explain to the developers and the managers that this is the way it works. And it will always work correctly if they do explicit date conversion in their Sql. Once they begin coding this correctly, they will always be happy - it will always work consistently. 

The manuals have been known to be wrong in the past, and if you and they have found the above quote in a manual, it is wrong. At least I have *never* seen Oracle act like this.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Stand-by database implementation ...

2002-10-29 Thread Thomas Day

Look out for the Pentium 4 bug.

Other than that I've found it to be pretty straightforward.

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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Tom Pall
Title: Message



Oracle didn't start offering instruction directly 
at your desktop or urge you to open up an iTAR instead of talking to a Customer 
Service person for nothing. People are expensive.

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  Metelsky 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:33 
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  Subject: RE: Oracle Internals 
course
  
  It 
  is just me or does 500-2000 per day seem a little "steep"? 

  
  
  Oracle8i: Everything You Always Wanted to Know 
  about the Optimizer 
  


  
  
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Re: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Ray Stell
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 06:58:49AM -0800, Gogala, Mladen wrote:
 It originates from the wonderful OS that used to have commands like SET
 DEF, MONITOR MODES,
 BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK SYS$ORACLE:[]*.*  MU: and alike. There is also
 an abomination
 of this OS created by David Cuttler.


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Re: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?

2002-10-29 Thread Jared Still

In addition to BIshop's excellent response, be sure to install
the latest version of Tie:Registry.  The one that comes with
ActiveState Perl doesn't work properly.

The current version (as installed from ActiveState via PPM) 
is I believe 1.24.  Just reinstall it.

Jared

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:53, Bishop Lewis wrote:
 Here's something to read registry keys I used a while back. Obviously needs
 the win32 module installed.

 use Win32::Registry;

 $terminal = $ARGV[0];

 $HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-Connect ($terminal, $hNode) || die Cannot connect to
 $node;
 $hNode-Open (SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows NT\\CurrentVersion\\Winlogon,
 $hKey) || die Cannot open registry !;
 $hKey-GetValues (\%values);
 $hKey-Close ();
 $hNode-Close ();

 foreach $value (keys(%values)) {
   $RegType = $values{$value}-[1];
   $RegValue = $values{$value}-[2];
   $RegKey = $values{$value}-[0];
   if ($RegKey eq DefaultUserName) {$username = $RegValue;
 print $RegValue\n;
   }
 }


 exit;

 Modify accordingly. HTH.

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RE: SQL*Plus COPY error solved (sort of)

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Baumgartel
Hadn't thought of trying that; makes sense.  Thanks.

--- Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 When you tried under NT, did you use sqlplus.exe or sqlplusw.exe?
 
 If you used sqlplusw.exe, this sounds like Bug No. 1504702
 
 The workaround is to use the copy command from the character version
 of sqlplus (sqlplus.exe) rather than the GUI version.
 
 HTH,
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RE: Stand-by database implementation ...

2002-10-29 Thread John . Hallas
One of the best sources of information is a white paper  by Lawrence To
called Graceful Switchover and Switchback for Standby Databases
(Metalink note 90817.1)
Another one under the White papers sectiopn is note 91570.1 but I have not
looked at that

John

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Looks like I'm gonna implement a stand-by database on
Windows 2000 using Oracle 8.1.7.4

Anyone have any good article, how-tos, caviots I need
to consider or read up on?



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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Scott Heisey taught the New Features for 8i administrators class that
I took.

Yeah, he's in my top ten of Oracle instructors. 

A not at all complete, in no particular order list is:

Scott Gossett
Scott Heisey
Sue Jang
John Hough

Please note, I have NOT taken classes from all the Oracle instructors,
nor have I taken a class in recent years, so if there are new and/or as
good, instructors, I don't know of them.

Rachel
--- Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, he isn't. There is another guy, named Scott Heisey, who
 teaches
 an OPS/RAC version of this course. He is also supposed to be one of
 the 
 great sages of the Oracle Corp. I've attended Scott Gossett's course
 and it 
 was fabulous. I've only heard about Scott Heisey and it is my great
 wish to 
 go to his course.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:24 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
  
  
  that I know of yes unfortunately, because I believe Scott is the
 only
  one teaching the classes.
  
  Is there a separate and distinct Oracle education site for the UK
 and
  Europe?
  
  Rachel
  --- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 
   
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   Carmichael
   Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
   To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
   Subject:  Re: Oracle Internals course
   
   Tom,
   
   I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
   
   I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars 
  and figured
   I'd share my luck.
   
   I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is 
  the only one
   teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if
   they
   made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
   
   Rachel
   
   --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless
   about
the
details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the
 internals
course by
searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott 
  said that
   I
just
managed to luck out when I searched for the course and 
  found it.  I
mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed 
  from online
registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and
 not
publicizing the course.
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 I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com

 you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult
 to
find,
 but it IS there


 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
versions
  now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week
 internals
  course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
non-disclosure
  forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to
   Customer
  Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these
 courses? 
Surely
  not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A
 difficulty
   with
a
  two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to
 benefit
   from
the
  course are the ones least likely to be let free for two
 weeks.
 
  The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a
 new
version
  of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
  initialization parameters and the database maintains and
 tunes
  itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle 
  DBAs have
lost
  their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his
 job
because
  a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2
 and
   3,
huh?
   I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of
 Oracle
   I
had
  that came on a single diskette.
 
  Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You
 have
   to
  call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
registered
  for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up
   then
  complained that they weren't about to get anything out of
 the
  course..
- Original Message -
From: Nick Wagner
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
 
 
rumor has it that this course is not going to be
offered/modified
  for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny
 it?
 
Nick
 
p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also
 came
back
  extremely pleased with it.
 
-Original Message-
From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 

Re: oracle client for linux

2002-10-29 Thread Jared Still

otn.oracle.com is the right place. 

Jared

On Monday 28 October 2002 20:58, sonny e. supilanas wrote:
 hi, i'm totally new to oracle, we have a webserver running on mandrake
 and can make queries to mysql dbase using perl/cgi scripts on same unit
 which works fine for our sites. but now, we have to connect to a remote
 oracle dbase w/c is on a remote server. i'm trying to install DBD:oracle
 module for perl connect string to oracle dbase, but compilation of this
 module aborts cause it looks for ORACLE_HOME parameters, where can i get
 a free oracle clients for linux or sources of these oracle libraries for
 linux so i can rebuild the Makefile.pl of the DBD:oracle module and set
 the required parameters...i've been trying to download it from OTN site
 (technet.oracle.com) but to no avail...any suggestions, thank you
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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: Implicit Date conversion problem



Raj,

you 
are forgetting how dates are stored internally vs. how they are displayed by 
sqlplus.

change 
your first query to:

select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, 
veas.est_dt  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
 from 
v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = 
ea.ep_number  
and ea.est_dt betweento_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') andto_date('01-Jan-2003','dd-mon-') 
group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,  
episode_airings ea1 where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number  and 
ea1.est_dt between betweento_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') andto_date('01-Jan-2003','dd-mon-')
Your 
selection was not working properly because you ended up comparing string values 
with string values.

example: 21-Dec-2002 is not between 20-Dec-2002 
and 01-Jan-2003 using string comparison 
 
(21 is greater than 20 and 01 both).

hope 
this helps.

Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

  -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 
  8:54 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  Implicit Date conversion problem
  We have a query (please don't ask me why it is 
  written this way) 
  --Doesn't work: select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
   from 
  v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea  where 
  a.ep_number = ea.ep_number  
  and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'  group by 
  a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,  episode_airings 
  ea1 where veas.ep_number = 
  ea1.ep_number  and ea1.est_dt 
  between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
  vs. 
  --Works: select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
   from 
  v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea  where 
  a.ep_number = ea.ep_number  
  and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'  group by 
  a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,  episode_airings 
  ea1 where veas.ep_number = 
  ea1.ep_number  and ea1.est_dt 
  between trunc(to_date('20-Dec-02','DD-Mon-YY'))  
  and trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY')) 
  Also if we comment "and ea1.est_dt between 
  '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'" the non-working query runs fine. Does anyone know what could be wrong? The est_dt is a date 
  column. This is 9201 ... 
  Raj __ Rajendra Jamadagni 
   MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot com 
  Any opinion expressed here is personal and 
  doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, but having an opinion is an art! 
  


RE: Flat file generation integrity ideas...

2002-10-29 Thread Grabowy, Chris
Actually, I am sending and receiving files.

They will be handling the FTP of the files, and making sure it has FTPed
correctly.

I just have to have a sanity check of the file.  Basically, I decided to
prefix each data line with 'DAT', and the CRC line with 'CRC'.  The
flat file is read into the database via an external table.  I query
the CRC record, get the expected record count and then count how many
rows were actually sent.  And then if there is a number column, then I
sum that up and check it against the CRC expected sum.  

Perhaps all this is overkill, but I know that the odds of data
corruption are slim to none. I don't like making assumptions, and I
can't assume the file is ok.

Many thanks to everyone that responded!!!

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


But he was talking about sending, not receiving.
and he says that the ftp is assured to work ok.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:48 AM


 Unfortunately it is a trust issue...

 Trust me when I say a file can get scrambled.  I have seen it happen.

 In our wierdest scenario two received files appeared to be merged into

 a single file - on the source system they had two intact files, on our
system
 1.5 files merged into a single file and .5 of a file missing.

 We could never replicate it, we had extensive testing on ftp 
 processes, etc, all we know is that it happened and our validation 
 techniques saw it and saved us a lot of greif.





 Yechiel Adar
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 I do not see how the file can get scrambled.
 You write it out ok.
 The ftp is guaranteed.
 So what is the problem.

 I will go along with the suggestion to zip it. It saves on the ftp 
 time
and
 also gives you some protection.

 Yechiel Adar
 Mehish
  - Original Message -
  From: Grabowy, Chris
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:34 PM
  Subject: Flat file generation integrity ideas...



  I have to create packages that will generate several flat files of 
 data  from tables that will be sent to other systems to be processed.


  I am looking for ideas on how to ensure data integrity in the flat 
 files.


  For example, the expected record count is stored on the first line of

 the  file to ensure that the correct amount of records was received.


  The systems group is chartered to ensure the flat files are correctly

 FTPed between systems, so that's covered.


  I just worry that if somehow a flat file is scrambled then the
scrambled
  data is loaded into the database, therefore corrupting it.


  At this phase, XML is not an option


  I keep thinking that some sort of CRC should be stored with each line

 in  the flat file.  And then before the line is loaded into the 
 database, the  CRC is compared against the generated CRC of the just 
 read line.  Has  anyone done anything like this?  Any examples out 
 there?


  Many TIA!!










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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem





Sorry about that ... I am working on a sev-1 problem with Oracle (ora-904 error if anyone is interested).


Doesn't work means it doesn't return any data  the working query returns correct number of rows. the trunc() syntax is right ... est_dt column stored date with hh:mi:ss set to 00:00:00. It has a companion column called est_tm that stores time as number of seconds since midnight.

Raj
__
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Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't reflect that of ESPN Inc. 
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-Original Message-
From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jamadagni, Rajendra
Subject: Re: Implicit Date conversion problem




What does doesn't work mean?


Wrong data?


Error message?


etc...??


Also the trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY')) is not quite right 
most likely.


It should probably be:


 trunc(to_date('01-Jan-03','DD-Mon-YY'))


 to_date('01-Jan-03 23:59:59','DD-Mon-YY' HH24:MI:SS')


or if used with a variable:


 trunc(mydate+1) - (1/86400)


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Re: net8 for linux

2002-10-29 Thread Ray Stell
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 01:48:38AM -0800, sonny e. supilanas wrote:
 hi, i learned that i need net8 for linux to rebuild the DBD-Oracle perl
 module. where can i download one for free


otn.oracle.com, you have to download oracle for linux and install it.
The installer gives you the option to install the client only.
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RE: RAID5+

2002-10-29 Thread Vergara, Michael (TEM)
Russ:

We're using EMC Clariion disk arrays.  These are using EMC's version
of RAID-5;  they call it RAID-S.  There is 2GB of cache if front of
the disks.  They claim that the cache is write guaranteed so that 
we'll never lose an update.  So far, so good, and the performance
has been acceptable, except (you knew this was coming, huh?) when
we do large file moves from one tray to another, or when doing a
refresh of our SAP stage system.  This activity kinda buries the
internal bus as well as the fiber, so that other users suffer.

I guess to make a short answer even longer, this RAID-S technology
seems to work a lot better than RAID-5 used to.

Remember, though, YMMV.

Cheers,
Mike

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Hi,
  I just got forwarded a whitepaper from Hitachi and Oracle, that compairs
raid 5+ and raid 1 using the TPC-C benchmark test suite.  The claim is that
raid 5 is as fast or faster.  While I'm waiting for a comparison or raid 5+
with raid 0+1, I thought I'd take a poll with the list.  The benchmark is
using the Hitachi 7700E.
  Has anyone heard other recommendations attributed to Oracle that are
pushing raid 5+ as the configuraton for unrivaled performance?  Has new
disk technology changed the general conception that raid 0 or 0+1 provides
better performance than other raid levels?
 
Thanks,
Russ

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Re: Joseph Testa has sent you a 10% discount]

2002-10-29 Thread Paul Baumgartel
What a guy that Joe is.  ;-)

But Joe, I thought you were getting out of the DBA business.  


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analyze table takes forever

2002-10-29 Thread Andrey Bronfin
Dear gurus !

We are trying to analyze a table partition (estimate 2 %) and it takes
forever.
analyze table ... partition (P20021022) estimate statistics sample 2
percent;
For instance, select count(*) from the same partition takes 10 minutes , but
the analyze takes literally infinite amount of time , once i left it to run
for half a day and killed it since it did not finish.
Even when i do analyze ... estimate statistics sample 100 rows; , it takes
almost 2 minutes to ananlyze 100 rows.
Any ideas ?
It's Oracle 8.1.6 on an expensive 6 CPUs HP machine with EMC storage.
Thanks a lot in advance.


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Re: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
Mark Leith wrote:
 
 What is shown to you on the Oracle Ed site, is actually based upon where you are 
located, within your login profile. I don't see any mention of Seminars what so 
ever (being UK based).. Can anyone else in the UK confirm this?
 
 Cheers
 
 Mark
 

Nothing of the sort visible from the other side of the Channel either.
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RE: Oracle Internals course

2002-10-29 Thread Rachel Carmichael
Some guy in the Netherlands   uh huh


--- Anjo Kolk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 No I have given them for Oracle in Holland, Belgium, Norway,
 Singapore
 and Malaysia. 
 
 Anjo.
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:58 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 Are these Internals classes only available in the US? 
 
  -Original Message-
 Carmichael
 Sent: 29 October 2002 11:04
 To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject:  Re: Oracle Internals course
 
 Tom,
 
 I didn't mean to imply that you were going into damagement!
 
 I was lucky enough to have someone point me to seminars and figured
 I'd share my luck.
 
 I think the reason they don't publicize it is that he is the only one
 teaching it and it's full without publicizing. Can you imagine if
 they
 made it generally available? He'd have time to do nothing else!
 
 Rachel
 
 --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rachel, I'm not bucking for a management slot by being clueless
 about
  the
  details.  Really I'm not.  I registered online for the internals
  course by
  searching for it.  I just kind of assumed from what Scott said that
 I
  just
  managed to luck out when I searched for the course and found it.  I
  mistakenly assumed the course was quietly being removed from online
  registration after hearing Scott's statements about hiding and not
  publicizing the course.
  - Original Message -
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:58 PM
  
  
   I registered for it online, at education.oracle.com
  
   you have to search on seminars, not classes. It's difficult to
  find,
   but it IS there
  
  
   --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RE: Oracle Internals courseThat rumor's been going on for
  versions
now.  As has been Scott's desire to offer a two week internals
course.  Course participants would sign all sorts of
  non-disclosure
forms then get a scaled down version of what's taught to
 Customer
Support. Wait a minute! Customer Support takes these courses? 
  Surely
not all the Silver Support people I've called.  A difficulty
 with
  a
two week course is that the very DBAs most likely to benefit
 from
  the
course are the ones least likely to be let free for two weeks.
   
The internals course is slated to be yanked every time a new
  version
of Oracle comes out.  Why teach internals when there are no
initialization parameters and the database maintains and tunes
itself?  There's been an economic downturn and Oracle DBAs have
  lost
their jobs.  But anybody know an Oracle DBA who lost his job
  because
a later version doesn't require a DBA?  Oracle on CDs 1,2 and
 3,
  huh?
 I think if I dig enough I can find that old version of Oracle
 I
  had
that came on a single diskette.
   
Scott says the internals course is purposely hidden.  You have
 to
call Oracle directly and ask for it.  A number of people
  registered
for the course from the paper or online catalogs, showed up
 then
complained that they weren't about to get anything out of the
course..
  - Original Message -
  From: Nick Wagner
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Oracle Internals course
   
   
  rumor has it that this course is not going to be
  offered/modified
for the 9.2 release of Oracle.  Can anyone confirm or deny it?
   
  Nick
   
  p.s. Had a close friend take this class, and they also came
  back
extremely pleased with it.
   
  -Original Message-
  From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100;yahoo.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:19 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: Re: Oracle Internals course
   
   
   
  Scott is the instructors's instructor
   
  he learns the new features, then teaches them to the
  instructors so
   
  they can teach them to you
   
  I had the pleasure of taking those classes with Scott a few
  years
ago
  as well. He's a great teacher.
   
  If he is ever presenting at any conference you go to, GO SEE
  HIM
   
  --- Tom Pall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I took that very course with Scott a few years ago.  Yup,
  Scott
flies
   through the Internals and Dump/Traces courses with lots of
  extra
   material to
   spare.  It's really refreshing to hear him tell the class
 how
  the
   
   developers
   documented something then tell how it's actually built.  He
  keeps
a
   database
   running in his notebook to prove what he says.  Scott's one
  great
   
   teacher.
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   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
   Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:53 PM
  
  
   I just wanted to say...
  
   If you have a chance to 

Re: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Reginald . W . Bailey

Raj:

The date column has a timestamp value as well.  By using the TRUNC
function, you are getting all dates regardless of the time value (i.e.
12:01 AM, etc.) . When dealing with DATE datatypes it is always a good
practice to use the TRUNC function on the columns to prevent the time of
day portion of the date from being considered in the query.
You can also make the TRUNC function part of a constraint or trigger, or
create a general trigger,  to ensure that only the date is placed in the
column, and if a time is inserted, then it will be uniform time of , say
12:00AM.

RWB


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Re: Stand-by database implementation ...

2002-10-29 Thread Ray Stell
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:23:33AM -0800, Lizz Pena wrote:
 Looks like I'm gonna implement a stand-by database on
 Windows 2000 using Oracle 8.1.7.4
 
 Anyone have any good article, how-tos, caviots I need
 to consider or read up on?
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I think the oracle docs cover it well, amazingly.  
leave it to you to manage the archivelogs, so you need
to write some scripts. 
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RE: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Toepke, Kevin M
Title: sqlplus /nolog



It 
doesn't?

$ 
sqlplus "/ as sysdba"

SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production on Tue Oct 29 10:39:53 
2002

Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation. All rights 
reserved.

Connected to:Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.1.0 - 
ProductionWith the Partitioning, Oracle Label Security, OLAP and Oracle Data 
Mining optionsJServer Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production

SYS@hydra@fins SQL 


  -Original Message-From: Rodd Holman 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:54 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  sqlplus /nologIt opens up a sqlplus session session/shell 
  on the server without logging into a database. The 9i version of sqlplus 
  does not allow for a command line: sqlplus / as sysdba command. You have 
  to login to sqlplus and when prompted for the username then add / as 
  sysdba. The /nolog allows you to script running sqlplus and then having 
  the connect / as sysdba as the first line in your sqlscript ie: sqlplus 
  /nolog @myscript.sql myscript.sql:  connect / as 
  sysdba  select name from v$database;   
  Rodd On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 07:29, Daiminger, Helmut wrote: 
  Hi! 
I was wondering what 
sqlplus /nolog actually does on Unix? Is it only used 
for not listing username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything 
else? This is 
8.1.7 on Sun Solaris. Thanks, Helmut 
  


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O/S Authentication

2002-10-29 Thread Turner, Christine
Greetings ALL..

I have been assigned a security research project by my boss. Really simple
topic, o/s authentication vs. password file authentication. Currently we use
a password file, and the boss wants to know what it would take to convert to
o/s authentication instead. However, I'm not familiar with o/s
authentication. Can anyone assist?

Currently we are using Oracle 81730 - Standard edition - on a windows
platform. Suggestions are welcome.

thanks,
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Re: RE: oracle or mssql

2002-10-29 Thread Tom Pall
It's these readers-blocks-writers and dirty reads that makes people migrate
their data to Oracle.  Blocking writers kills performance.  Of course
constantly rolling back blocks to give queries consistent views uses i/o and
cpu.  But that extra overhead rarely impacts overall performance as badly as
blocking readers/writers does.   The typical impetus to migrate is that
Oracle's redo/rollback/undo allows it to scale a lot better than MSSQL.   It
happens all the time.  MSSQL was cheap, easy to set up and manage, ran as an
integral part of WinTel, handled the low transaction rate.  The transaction
rate increases.  Eventually all attempts to distribute the data amongst
multiple boxes to handle the increased transaction rate fails.  Exit MSSQL,
enter Oracle.
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List,
I'm always keen to refresh on database comparisons so thanks for
everyone's pointers.

I'm surprised Oracle doesn't make more of an issue about their locking and
concurrency methods (i.e. redo/rollback/undo).

MSSQL seems to deal with it in two ways:
Default: readers and writers prevent writers from accessing data until they
are finished with it!
Other method: no control, you just get dirty reads!

Anyone got anything to add to this? Or am I wrong?

- Mike.


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As I said, use mssql ONLY if your boss is willing to be strapped into a
MicroSlop only platform.  If he's even remotely thinking of using a
different OS
then you can't use mssql.

Dick Goulet

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goodmorning
everybody who responded to my basic question : thanks

summary

professional : use oracle enterprise edition
semi professional : use oracle standard edition / mssql enterprise edition
in all other cases mssql standard edition



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 Xenix is history now...SCO itself stopped it sometime in 1990






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 XENIX maybe.

 : )

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 Is MSSQL server available on UNIX?

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Re: imp/exp question

2002-10-29 Thread Adrian Ciocildau
Hi,

what do you mean with to export in system user with two user tables ?

Regards,

Adrian Ciocildau

Oracle wrote:


Dear

	One of the solution is you can export in system user with two
user tables. You can exp/ imp blob column also. Later you can imp thru
system, but use from user and to user options. 

I think it will help u.


Thanks and Regards
V.Baskaran 

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Hello,

I have a problem and I hope you can help me.

We have a Oracle 9 installation two users with two different default 
tablespaces. The problem is to move data between theese two users with 
imp/exp.

I'll try to explain it a little bit more.

we have userA with the default tablescape tabA and userB with tablB.

first we want to do something like:

exp userA/passA owner=(userA) file=dump.dmp

and after:

imp userB/passB fromuser=(userA) touser=(userB) file=dump.dmp


If we do not have BLOB columns everything works fine. I think the 
problem resides in the fact that in the case of a BLOB column the 
STORAGE clause specifies in which tablespace the BLOB column
should be stored and this is not handled by the imp program (not 
relocated in the tablespace B).

I'm sure there should be a way to handle this but I was not able
to find it.

Please help.


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RE: Installing iAS 9.0.2.0.1

2002-10-29 Thread Gene Sais
Thanks for all the replies.  It makes me rethink going to iAS 9.0.2.0.1.  Does iAS 
1.0.2 require all the same dependencies, i.e. infrastructure install?

Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/02 07:53AM 
made the same experiences with iAS 92 and ended up
using 9iAS 1.0.2.2 for various reasons.

but we will try again, when oracle - hopefully - does provide a more comfortable way 
of installation. we use portal, single sign on in connection with novel ldap. was 
quite a toil to get it up and running but now it works fine. 
did the same with iAS 9.2.0 but response time and performance were horrible so we 
removed it again and ...see above.

good luck 

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If you only want it to do web apps it's not a
problem. We installed the OC4J and web cache
portion on Solaris in an hour. Very easy.
Needed it for version 1.3 of Java.
Next we will tackle the full install with the
infrastructure which will allow the use of Portal,
Reports and Discoverer. Expecting big time headaches
based on the documentation and the fact that we want
to use iPlanet not the OID for our LDAP.

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Gene,

We tried it on HPUX and it was not pretty.  We ended up going back to 9iAS
1.0.2.2 for various reasons.  Good luck.

Scott Shafer
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 Has anyone installed iAS 9.0.2.0.1 on Intel Linux?  I have downloaded the
 reams of documentation and this is a beast, much different than OAS 4.0.8.
 It requires a 9i db, Oracle Single SignOn, OID, OEM Server, 9i Listener w/
 port 1521 free for iAS, etc.  So many dependencies for iAS and I haven't
 even looked at deploying forms yet :).  I can't wait til 10i when DBA's
 are no longer required, *HA!*

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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Title: RE: Implicit Date conversion problem



Raj,

you 
said:

"according to Oracle, when comparing a 
varchar2 to a date column, the string does get converted to a date ... 
"

This 
has got to be wrong. If you compare a varchar2 column with anumber, 
Oracle try's to convert the varchar2 to a number, and we end up with an "invalid 
number" error. Oracle has not choice but to attempt to convert a database 
column to a literal - it can *never* go in the other direction because it cannot 
make the correct assumption. At least I would not try and provide that 
service.

I 
would explain to the developers and the managers that this is the way it 
works. And it will always work correctly if they do explicit date 
conversion in their Sql. Once they begin coding this correctly, they will 
always be happy - it will always work consistently. 

The 
manuals have been known to be wrong in the past, and if you and they have found 
the above quote in a manual, it is wrong. At least I have *never* seen 
Oracle act like this.

Hope 
this helps.

Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

  -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 
  10:42 AMTo: 'Mercadante, Thomas F'; 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Implicit Date conversion 
  problem
  Well, 
  Let me point out one thing  following is the original 
  query ... 
  -- this returns no rows ... select 
  ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt  from 
  (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt  from 
  v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea  where a.ep_number = 
  ea.ep_number  and 
  ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'  group by a.ep_number, 
  ea.est_dt) veas,  
  episode_airings ea1 where veas.ep_number = 
  ea1.ep_number  and ea1.est_dt between 
  '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
  -- This DOES work ... returns all the right rows 
  select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
   
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea  where a.ep_number = 
  ea.ep_number  and 
  ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'  group by a.ep_number, 
  ea.est_dt) veas,  
  episode_airings ea1 where veas.ep_number = 
  ea1.ep_number -- and ea1.est_dt between 
  '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
  Point to consider is that the "commented out where clause" is 
  the same as the one used in the from clause query ... then why does it 
  fail?
  Tom: according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date 
  column, the string does get converted to a date ... 
  The reason i am asking this I have to explain the developers 
  on why this isn't working. They agree that explicit datatype conversion is a 
  good idea but their managers want to know why ??
  (yeah ... sure go ahead pity me ...) Raj __ Rajendra 
  Jamadagni 
  MIS, ESPN Inc. Rajendra dot Jamadagni at ESPN dot 
  com Any opinion expressed here is personal and doesn't 
  reflect that of ESPN Inc. QOTD: Any clod can have 
  facts, but having an opinion is an art! 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:35 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Jamadagni, 
  Rajendra Subject: RE: Implicit Date conversion 
  problem 
  Raj, 
  you are forgetting how dates are stored internally vs. how 
  they are displayed by sqlplus. 
  change your first query to: 
  select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt  from 
  v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea  where a.ep_number = 
  ea.ep_number  and 
  ea.est_dt between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and 
  to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-')  group by a.ep_number, 
  ea.est_dt) veas,  
  episode_airings ea1 where veas.ep_number = 
  ea1.ep_number  and ea1.est_dt between between 
  to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and to_date('01-Jan-2003' 
  ,'dd-mon-') 
  Your selection was not working properly because you ended up 
  comparing string values with string values. 
  example: 21-Dec-2002 is not between 20-Dec-2002 and 
  01-Jan-2003 using string comparison  
  (21 is greater than 20 and 01 both). 
  hope this helps. 
  Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified 
  Professional 


RE: Data guard

2002-10-29 Thread Seema Singh
Solaris 5.7


From: Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Data guard
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:43:33 -0800

What platform are you on?
If UNIX, make sure your i/o settings for reads and writes (asynch or synch)
are set to the same value and they agree with the system configuration.
There was a known bug in 7.3 that corrupted archive logs that was 
supposedly
fixed in 7.3.4. Do a search on metalink for 'alter system switch logfile'.

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Hi
I have setup dataguard on 8.1.7.4 and have been noticing corruption of
archive logs at standby end some times.What could be reason?
With regards
-Seema





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Re: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
 Jamadagni, Rajendra wrote:
 
 Well,
 
 Let me point out one thing  following is the original query ...
 
 -- this returns no rows ...
 select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
   from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
  where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
  group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,
episode_airings ea1
 where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
   and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
 
 -- This DOES work ... returns all the right rows
 select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt
   from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt
   from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea
  where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number
and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
  group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas,
episode_airings ea1
 where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number
 --  and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03'
 
 Point to consider is that the commented out where clause is the same
 as the one used in the from clause query ... then why does it fail?
 
 Tom: according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column,
 the string does get converted to a date ...
 
 The reason i am asking this I have to explain the developers on why
 this isn't working. They agree that explicit datatype conversion is a
 good idea but their managers want to know why ??
 
 (yeah ... sure go ahead pity me ...)
 Raj

Raj,

   I think I've got it. In the in-line view the implicit conversion
going on is a to_date() applied to the string constants (since it
works). Outside it must be a to_char() applied to the date column. Why
it is so escapes my understanding but it may have something to do with
getting the column directly from a well known table in the first case,
and from a built-on-the-fly view in the second one.
  Talking about the developers and their managers, perhaps you could
hint that having a GROUP BY without any aggregate function is probably
their way to program SELECT DISTINCT, and that since they are using only
a single column from  (which by the way happens to also be in
episode_airings, since it's used for the join) is a bit weird (unless
you have simplified the query for testing purposes?). I am sure that the
query would be better directly working on the tables 'below'
v_episode_avail_summary_break.
-- 
Regards,

Stephane Faroult
Oriole Software
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9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Mark Leith
A quick question out to the masses..

How many of you out there are ACTUALLY USING 9i RAC technology? 

If not already using it - how many have plans to use it (or at least plan to 
investigate it)?

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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Jared . Still
Tom,

If the string matches the NLS_DATE_FORMAT, Oracle will convert it to  a 
date.

Try this:

create table d( d date );

alter session set nls_date_format = 'dd-mon-yy';

insert into d values('21-dec-02');
insert into d values('22-dec-02');
insert into d values('23-dec-02');
insert into d values('24-dec-02');

commit;

select *
from d
where d.d between '22-dec-02' and '23-dec-02'
/

Jared





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Raj,
 
you said:
 
according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the 
string does get converted to a date ...  
 
This has got to be wrong.  If you compare a varchar2 column with a number, 
Oracle try's to convert the varchar2 to a number, and we end up with an 
invalid number error.  Oracle has not choice but to attempt to convert a 
database column to a literal - it can *never* go in the other direction 
because it cannot make the correct assumption.  At least I would not try 
and provide that service.
 
I would explain to the developers and the managers that this is the way it 
works.  And it will always work correctly if they do explicit date 
conversion in their Sql.  Once they begin coding this correctly, they will 
always be happy - it will always work consistently. 
 
The manuals have been known to be wrong in the past, and if you and they 
have found the above quote in a manual, it is wrong.  At least I have 
*never* seen Oracle act like this.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Tom Mercadante 
Oracle Certified Professional 
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Well, 
Let me point out one thing  following is the original query ... 
-- this returns no rows ... 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
  and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
-- This DOES work ... returns all the right rows 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
--  and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
Point to consider is that the commented out where clause is the same as 
the one used in the from clause query ... then why does it fail?
Tom: according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the 
string does get converted to a date ... 
The reason i am asking this I have to explain the developers on why this 
isn't working. They agree that explicit datatype conversion is a good idea 
but their managers want to know why ??
(yeah ... sure go ahead pity me ...) 
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Raj, 
you are forgetting how dates are stored internally vs. how they are 
displayed by sqlplus. 
change your first query to: 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and 
to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-') 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
  and ea1.est_dt between between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and 
to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-') 
Your selection was not working properly because you ended up comparing 
string values with string values. 
example:  21-Dec-2002 is not between 20-Dec-2002 and 01-Jan-2003 using 
string comparison 
(21 is greater than 20 and 01 both). 
hope this helps. 
Tom Mercadante 
Oracle Certified Professional 


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RE: Convert DM TSP to LM TSP w/ lots of data

2002-10-29 Thread Govind . Arumugam
This is what we have in mind.

For the partitioned tables that are going to have the 'rotation' logic,
we will convert them to LMT when they become empty.  We drop the
'oldest' partition and create a new one for next month. This will be
carried out every month. Partition for November data is empty now and is
being converted to use LMT as of this week;  Next month we will do the
same for December partition;  This way, we would convert all our 5
CALLDETAIL tablespaces to use LMT in 5 months time.

Now, for other tablespaces that contain data and indexes, we need to
decide whether we should create corresponding LMT tablespaces and move
the existing objects to it or change them using the procedure that
Oracle recommends; Some of these tablespaces are sized anywhere from 5Gb
to 60Gb and we do not have much of freespace as buffer. Our database
size is about 1.2 tera bytes.  Also for this we might have to ask for a
bigger maintenance window which will be hard to get.  So we are toying
up with the idea of converting them from DMT to LMT using 'in place'
mechanism and rebuild the tables/indexes eventually as time permits.
Obviously, we are not trying cause any outage knowingly.  Hence these
questions to the forum.

Thanks,
Govind

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Govind - I agree with Tom. Since you phrased your original question
asking
for those who had done the conversion, the silence was your answer. If
you
had also asked for replies from those who had decided to build new
tablespaces and convert the data ourselves, then more of us could have
replied. My reason for not using the conversion utility has to do with
the
smell test. After you've been a DBA for awhile, you realize you have
limited
time and you lose your eagerness to pursue things that will eat up
enormous
amounts of time and come to nothing. In my situation, I was able to move
a
table at a time to LMT as time permitted, and somehow I felt that the
resulting data situation would be better. I believe some of the new
nologging options may allow you to perform this while the table is still
available for DML. When first introduced, the conversion routines had
some
bugs. I don't think the conversion routines are bad today, so they may
work
just fine.


Dennis Williams 
DBA, 40%OCP 
Lifetouch, Inc. 
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I tried having Oracle convert DMT to LMT out a few times on 10 GB
tablespaces.  Whether or not that's a lot of data depends on you.
Worked
like a champ.  And this was in the early days of LMT.  People who pay a
lot
of attention to the internals will warn you that converting a DMT to LMT
is
not optimal.  Your bitmaps wind up at the end of the files instead of
the
headers.
 
I've read posts here and elsewhere where people worried about the same
issues as they did with DMT.  They wanted to limit the number of extents
segments grew to by creating tablespaces with different sized fixed
extents.
A DBA I worked with pointed out how very easy and quickly things worked
with
letting Oracle automatically size the next extent.  I've gone that way
whenever possible and have never regretted it.  I've not done a rigorous
benchmark but can tell you from casual observation dropping an object
with
lots of extents doesn't happen in the blink of an eye but doesn't lock
out
all other space allocation as UET/FET weren't constantly in use and the
ST
enque wasn't locked for exclusive use.
 
It's prudent to follow Oracle's recommendations if conditions permit.
Create a new LMT and move your data to it.

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I am reposting this. Has anyone tried to convert a dictionary managed
table
space containing lots of data to locally managed? We have tried this out
successfully on empty table spaces or created a new LMT tablespace and
moved
the existing objects to it. 
 
Thanks, 
Govind

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RE: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?

2002-10-29 Thread Cary Millsap
Jared:

PPM search Tie::Registry
PPM search Win32::Registry
Packages available from
http://ppm.ActiveState.com/cgibin/PPM/ppmserver.pl?urn:/
PPMServer:
Win32-Registry-File [1.09] Perl interface to MS-Windows registry files.
PPM

Is 1.09 really what I want to install?


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In addition to BIshop's excellent response, be sure to install
the latest version of Tie:Registry.  The one that comes with
ActiveState Perl doesn't work properly.

The current version (as installed from ActiveState via PPM) 
is I believe 1.24.  Just reinstall it.

Jared

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:53, Bishop Lewis wrote:
 Here's something to read registry keys I used a while back. Obviously
needs
 the win32 module installed.

 use Win32::Registry;

 $terminal = $ARGV[0];

 $HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-Connect ($terminal, $hNode) || die Cannot
connect to
 $node;
 $hNode-Open (SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows
NT\\CurrentVersion\\Winlogon,
 $hKey) || die Cannot open registry !;
 $hKey-GetValues (\%values);
 $hKey-Close ();
 $hNode-Close ();

 foreach $value (keys(%values)) {
   $RegType = $values{$value}-[1];
   $RegValue = $values{$value}-[2];
   $RegKey = $values{$value}-[0];
   if ($RegKey eq DefaultUserName) {$username = $RegValue;
 print $RegValue\n;
   }
 }


 exit;

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Re: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Connor McDonald
I run it at home on the laptop if that counts :-)

But seriously, I'm working with a client who are
migrating from a large Sun box to a 4node Tru64 RAC
architecture on 9.2

Do I think it will workprobably not

Cheers
Connor 

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 How many of you out there are ACTUALLY USING 9i RAC
 technology? 
 
 If not already using it - how many have plans to use
 it (or at least plan to investigate it)?
 
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Logon Trigger

2002-10-29 Thread mkb
Sorry in advance, but I didn't think I'd need this.

There was a discussion about 4 weeks ago if memory
serves correct, about denying users logging on to
Oracle directly either through SQL*Plus or other tools
such as TOAD.  Tried searching the archives but
getting too many hits.

Someone posted trigger code that did this.  Anyone
have a copy of this?

Thanks

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Re: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Reginald . W . Bailey

I beg to differ Mr. Holman.  The sqlplus command should work if the / as
sysdba is enclosed in quotes.  So , the command would be
sqlplus / as sysdba .  This works in Oracle9i on Unix and Windows NT/2000
environmnents.  At least it does so in my environments.

RWB




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It opens up a sqlplus session session/shell on the server without logging
into a database.  The 9i version of sqlplus does not allow for a command
line: sqlplus / as sysdba command.  You have to login to sqlplus and when
prompted for the username then add / as sysdba.  The /nolog allows you to
script running sqlplus and then having the connect / as sysdba as the first
line in your sqlscript ie:  sqlplus /nolog @myscript.sql

myscript.sql:
   connect / as sysdba
   select name from v$database;
   

Rodd

On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 07:29, Daiminger, Helmut wrote: Hi!

I was wondering what

sqlplus /nolog

actually does on Unix?  Is it only used for not listing username/password
when doing a ps ? Or anything else?

This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.

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RE: Installing iAS 9.0.2.0.1

2002-10-29 Thread Scott . Shafer
No, 1.0.2 is a leaner product - no infrastructure required.

Scott Shafer
San Antonio, TX
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 Thanks for all the replies.  It makes me rethink going to iAS 9.0.2.0.1.
 Does iAS 1.0.2 require all the same dependencies, i.e. infrastructure
 install?
 
 Gene
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/29/02 07:53AM 
 made the same experiences with iAS 92 and ended up
 using 9iAS 1.0.2.2 for various reasons.
 
 but we will try again, when oracle - hopefully - does provide a more
 comfortable way of installation. we use portal, single sign on in
 connection with novel ldap. was quite a toil to get it up and running but
 now it works fine. 
 did the same with iAS 9.2.0 but response time and performance were
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Re: BLOB Storage

2002-10-29 Thread Reginald . W . Bailey

The BLOB  can be in line if the size is less than 4k, otherwise it is
stored as out-of-line.

RWB




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I have a 1tb db w/ 95% of it inline blobs, same tbs as data.  No
performance degradation.  However, if I were to do it again, I would have
separated the blobs out as B/R is a nightmare, soon to be better w/ RMAN.
I haven't received my RF RMAN book yet, amazon  must be backfilling orders.

hth,
Gene

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/28/02 09:18PM 

We've got a table with a BLOB column that is currently at 3+ Gig (400,000
records). The max value in the BLOB column is 3k (average (1.5 K). We are
currently
storing the BLOB out of line (in a separate tablespace). The cache size
for the BLOB is 8k (also the block size). Each BLOB is taking up 8K (at
the least twice the space required by the BLOB). This table is expected
to grow to 10+ million records in the next year.


First of all, we're trying to convince the vendor to agree to partition
the table.
In addition (FINALLY the question :-) !!!), we're trying to decide
whether we would gain anything (space being a constraint right now),
from a storage standpoint in making the BLOB in line.
Obviously we're not going to going to risk performance in order to save
space :-) !!!


I'm hoping someone in this list would have had some goog or bad
experience in this regard.  Would there be a major performance hit if I
change
the BLOB to be in line  

Thanks,


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RE: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Molina, Gerardo
We are planning to use it on Solaris.

Gerardo

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A quick question out to the masses..

How many of you out there are ACTUALLY USING 9i RAC technology? 

If not already using it - how many have plans to use it (or at least plan to
investigate it)?

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RE: sqlplus /nolog

2002-10-29 Thread Rodd Holman
Title: sqlplus /nolog




Ah ha. It's the double quotes you use. These were not necessary with svrmgrl



Rodd



On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 09:49, Toepke, Kevin M wrote:

It doesn't?



$ sqlplus / as sysdba



SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production on Tue Oct 29 10:39:53 2002



Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.



Connected to:

Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production

With the Partitioning, Oracle Label Security, OLAP and Oracle Data Mining options

JServer Release 9.2.0.1.0 - Production



SYS@hydra@fins SQL 



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It opens up a sqlplus session session/shell on the server without logging into a database. The 9i version of sqlplus does not allow for a command line: sqlplus / as sysdba command. You have to login to sqlplus and when prompted for the username then add / as sysdba. The /nolog allows you to script running sqlplus and then having the connect / as sysdba as the first line in your sqlscript ie: sqlplus /nolog @myscript.sql 



myscript.sql: 

 connect / as sysdba 

 select name from v$database; 

  



Rodd 



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Hi!



I was wondering what



sqlplus /nolog



actually does on Unix? Is it only used for not listing username/password when doing a ps ? Or anything else?



This is 8.1.7 on Sun Solaris.



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Mixing OLTP with DSS

2002-10-29 Thread Rick Stephenson








Am I looking for trouble by mixing an OLTP type database
with a DSS type database?



I currently have a relatively small database that is used
for quick lookup type actions. The company wants to add a much bigger and
constantly growing application for historical reporting on the same
machine. Should I create another instance or keep it in the same
instance?



Keeping it in the same instance would seem to defeat having
anything cached seeing that the large reports will flush out the cache each and
every time.



I am running Oracle 8.1.7, on Solaris 2.8.



Any suggestions would be helpful.



Thanks,



Rick Stephenson










Re: RV: Nuestra Profesión Ing. Sistemas

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen Andert
Esto me dio mucha risa.  Alguien lo va a traducir al ingles para el
resto de la lista?

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RE: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread John Kanagaraj
Mark,

If you read the latest Oracle Mag (Peer-to-Peer), you will find that a
(sometime?) list member Murali Vallath is using RAC and is actually planning
a book sometime later. Maybe you can address the question to him? Murali
presents/attends IOUG and I know for sure that he 'speakes from the
trenches' (unlike a lot of the bull from Oracle marketing).

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RE: analyze table takes forever

2002-10-29 Thread Nick Wagner
Title: RE: analyze table  takes forever 





what's the structure of the table? 


And try taking an export of this partition and import it into it's own table in a development box... see if you can analyze it there. 

Nick


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Dear gurus !


We are trying to analyze a table partition (estimate 2 %) and it takes
forever.
analyze table ... partition (P20021022) estimate statistics sample 2
percent;
For instance, select count(*) from the same partition takes 10 minutes , but
the analyze takes literally infinite amount of time , once i left it to run
for half a day and killed it since it did not finish.
Even when i do analyze ... estimate statistics sample 100 rows; , it takes
almost 2 minutes to ananlyze 100 rows.
Any ideas ?
It's Oracle 8.1.6 on an expensive 6 CPUs HP machine with EMC storage.
Thanks a lot in advance.



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RE: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Rick Stephenson
We are currently running 8i OPS and having serious issues with global cache
request waits that kill the performance on the machines.  Because of this
issue, we are almost being forced to upgrade to 9i RAC.

I hope and pray that this will work out, but I've learned to not count on
much until you actually see it running in your environment.

I'm not concerned though because the sales people tell me it's the best
thing since sliced bread. :)

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I run it at home on the laptop if that counts :-)

But seriously, I'm working with a client who are
migrating from a large Sun box to a 4node Tru64 RAC
architecture on 9.2

Do I think it will workprobably not

Cheers
Connor 

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RE: Implicit Date conversion problem

2002-10-29 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Jared,

Of course, I have been corrected!  

Woo-hoo!  I win!  I learned something new today!  I get to go home early!

Wow.  This was really a shocker to me. I tried a little test myself on an
817 database and it works as Raj (and the documentation) said it would.

Does this mean I will change my coding-ways and depend on it to work in the
future?  Of course not!  I like explicitly coding things so that I'm not
surprised!  Old Dog.

Tom Mercadante
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Tom,

If the string matches the NLS_DATE_FORMAT, Oracle will convert it to  a 
date.

Try this:

create table d( d date );

alter session set nls_date_format = 'dd-mon-yy';

insert into d values('21-dec-02');
insert into d values('22-dec-02');
insert into d values('23-dec-02');
insert into d values('24-dec-02');

commit;

select *
from d
where d.d between '22-dec-02' and '23-dec-02'
/

Jared





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Raj,
 
you said:
 
according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the 
string does get converted to a date ...  
 
This has got to be wrong.  If you compare a varchar2 column with a number, 
Oracle try's to convert the varchar2 to a number, and we end up with an 
invalid number error.  Oracle has not choice but to attempt to convert a 
database column to a literal - it can *never* go in the other direction 
because it cannot make the correct assumption.  At least I would not try 
and provide that service.
 
I would explain to the developers and the managers that this is the way it 
works.  And it will always work correctly if they do explicit date 
conversion in their Sql.  Once they begin coding this correctly, they will 
always be happy - it will always work consistently. 
 
The manuals have been known to be wrong in the past, and if you and they 
have found the above quote in a manual, it is wrong.  At least I have 
*never* seen Oracle act like this.
 
Hope this helps.
 
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Well, 
Let me point out one thing  following is the original query ... 
-- this returns no rows ... 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
  and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
-- This DOES work ... returns all the right rows 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
--  and ea1.est_dt between '20-Dec-02' and '01-Jan-03' 
Point to consider is that the commented out where clause is the same as 
the one used in the from clause query ... then why does it fail?
Tom: according to Oracle, when comparing a varchar2 to a date column, the 
string does get converted to a date ... 
The reason i am asking this I have to explain the developers on why this 
isn't working. They agree that explicit datatype conversion is a good idea 
but their managers want to know why ??
(yeah ... sure go ahead pity me ...) 
Raj 
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Raj, 
you are forgetting how dates are stored internally vs. how they are 
displayed by sqlplus. 
change your first query to: 
select ea1.ep_number, ea1.est_dt, veas.est_dt 
  from (select a.ep_number, ea.est_dt 
  from v_episode_avail_summary_break a, episode_airings ea 
 where a.ep_number = ea.ep_number 
   and ea.est_dt between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and 
to_date('01-Jan-2003' ,'dd-mon-') 
 group by a.ep_number, ea.est_dt) veas, 
   episode_airings ea1 
where veas.ep_number = ea1.ep_number 
  and ea1.est_dt between between to_date('20-Dec-2002','dd-mon-') and 

RE: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra
Title: RE: 9i RAC





forget 9201 ... 9202 has about 20+ fixes that are related to RAC code. ...


Raj
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We are currently running 8i OPS and having serious issues with global cache
request waits that kill the performance on the machines. Because of this
issue, we are almost being forced to upgrade to 9i RAC.


I hope and pray that this will work out, but I've learned to not count on
much until you actually see it running in your environment.


I'm not concerned though because the sales people tell me it's the best
thing since sliced bread. :)


Rick Stephenson
Oracle Database Administrator
Ovid Technologies, Inc.
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I run it at home on the laptop if that counts :-)


But seriously, I'm working with a client who are
migrating from a large Sun box to a 4node Tru64 RAC
architecture on 9.2


Do I think it will workprobably not


Cheers
Connor 


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RE: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?

2002-10-29 Thread Jared . Still
Cary,

Here's what my search of Registry revealed:

PPM search Registry
Packages available from 
http://ppm.ActiveState.com/cgibin/PPM/ppmserver.pl?urn:/PPMServer:
Win32-Registry-File [1.09] Perl interface to MS-Windows 
registry
   files.
Win32-TieRegistry   [0.24] Powerful and easy ways to 
manipulate a
   registry [on Win32 for now].
Win32-TieRegistry-Dump  [0.03] dump Win32 registry tree
Win32-TieRegistry-PMVersionInfo [0.2 ] store in Win32 Registry PM $VERSION 
info
XML-Registry[0.02] Perl module for loading and saving 
an
   XML registry.
PPM


The version that usually comes with ActiveState Perl is 0.23, not 1.23 as 
I implied before.

The version you want is version 0.24.

HTH

Jared






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Subject:RE: Win2k Perl accessing Oracle Parameters?


Jared:

PPM search Tie::Registry
PPM search Win32::Registry
Packages available from
http://ppm.ActiveState.com/cgibin/PPM/ppmserver.pl?urn:/
PPMServer:
Win32-Registry-File [1.09] Perl interface to MS-Windows registry files.
PPM

Is 1.09 really what I want to install?


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Still
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:35 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


In addition to BIshop's excellent response, be sure to install
the latest version of Tie:Registry.  The one that comes with
ActiveState Perl doesn't work properly.

The current version (as installed from ActiveState via PPM) 
is I believe 1.24.  Just reinstall it.

Jared

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 01:53, Bishop Lewis wrote:
 Here's something to read registry keys I used a while back. Obviously
needs
 the win32 module installed.

 use Win32::Registry;

 $terminal = $ARGV[0];

 $HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE-Connect ($terminal, $hNode) || die Cannot
connect to
 $node;
 $hNode-Open (SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows
NT\\CurrentVersion\\Winlogon,
 $hKey) || die Cannot open registry !;
 $hKey-GetValues (\%values);
 $hKey-Close ();
 $hNode-Close ();

 foreach $value (keys(%values)) {
   $RegType = $values{$value}-[1];
   $RegValue = $values{$value}-[2];
   $RegKey = $values{$value}-[0];
   if ($RegKey eq DefaultUserName) {$username = $RegValue;
 print $RegValue\n;
   }
 }


 exit;

 Modify accordingly. HTH.

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 Hello All,
 I am writing an perl script. I cann't figure out and have been going
 through the docs, but cann't find exactly what I need.
 A way to access Oracle Parameters as they are set up in the Win2k
 registary. I am specifically thinking of ORACLE_HOME. I do know how to
 obtain an environmental variable/parameter with $ENV{}.
 But the ORACLE_HOME is not an environmental parameter per se.
 I have a workaround by setting it up in the enviroment, however I
would
 like to write this script with the aim at it being machine unspecific.
 (Jared, hope you can answer me on this. Want to get a copy of your
book,
 unfortunately with the exchange rate and import taxes etc it will cost
me
 R590,00. Quiet a chunk of the ole budget, maybe early next year.)
 Regards
 Denham Eva
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genius
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Re: 9i RAC

2002-10-29 Thread Stephane Faroult
John Kanagaraj wrote:
 
 Mark,
 
 If you read the latest Oracle Mag (Peer-to-Peer), you will find that a
 (sometime?) list member Murali Vallath is using RAC and is actually planning
 a book sometime later. Maybe you can address the question to him? Murali
 presents/attends IOUG 

  What is more relevant, perhaps, to Mark is that Murali should be in
Brum in december.

 and I know for sure that he 'speakes from the
 trenches' (unlike a lot of the bull from Oracle marketing).
 
 John Kanagaraj
 Oracle Applications DBA
 DBSoft Inc
 (W): 408-970-7002
 
 What would you see if you were allowed to look back at your life at the end
 of your journey in this earth?
 
 ** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my
 employer or clients **
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Leith [mailto:mark;cool-tools.co.uk]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:30 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: 9i RAC
 
 
  A quick question out to the masses..
 
  How many of you out there are ACTUALLY USING 9i RAC technology?
 
  If not already using it - how many have plans to use it (or
  at least plan to investigate it)?
 
  Cheers
 
  Mark
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