Re: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Jack Silvey

my last gig was senior DBA at an internet travel shop,
and we used LDAP to authenticate users. Since it is
really just a glorified list sitting in memory, it is
perfectly suited to small, straightforward uses such
as this.

We did not use oracle LDAP, but another vendor that I
can't remember.

The LDAP was accessed by the Java processes and
gathered the password and username from it to login to
the database.

hth,

jack silvey


--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 One of the users here came to me to talk about
 setting up user
 authentication and wanted to know what I knew about
 LDAP and Oracle.
 since  the sum total of my knowledge on the subject
 consists of Oracle
 Internet Directory is a pain to set up I thought I
 might ask for
 advice from some who are more familiar with the
 subject.
 
 
 We will have something on the order of a million
 hits a day, this is
 definitely ONLY user authentication. We are not
 wedded to the idea that
 it has to be part of Oracle, if there is another,
 better
 (easier/stable) way to handle this, we are open to
 using that.
 
 Any suggestions on places to look? A search on LDAP
 in the 9.2 docs got
 me over 1300 matches... a bit overwhelming!
 
 I'm going to be reading through the OID admin
 manual, but that's
 somewhat prejudiced towards Oracle :)
 
 Rachel
 
 
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Re: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Rachel Carmichael

thanks! that's pretty much the way we want to use it as well, for a
universal login across any of our websites. Sun has an LDAP that we are
looking at as well. The plus is, it's free. and we don't need another
oracle license etc etc etc

and even better, it wouldn't be MY responsibility to maintain :)

Rachel

--- Jack Silvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 my last gig was senior DBA at an internet travel shop,
 and we used LDAP to authenticate users. Since it is
 really just a glorified list sitting in memory, it is
 perfectly suited to small, straightforward uses such
 as this.
 
 We did not use oracle LDAP, but another vendor that I
 can't remember.
 
 The LDAP was accessed by the Java processes and
 gathered the password and username from it to login to
 the database.
 
 hth,
 
 jack silvey
 
 
 --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  One of the users here came to me to talk about
  setting up user
  authentication and wanted to know what I knew about
  LDAP and Oracle.
  since  the sum total of my knowledge on the subject
  consists of Oracle
  Internet Directory is a pain to set up I thought I
  might ask for
  advice from some who are more familiar with the
  subject.
  
  
  We will have something on the order of a million
  hits a day, this is
  definitely ONLY user authentication. We are not
  wedded to the idea that
  it has to be part of Oracle, if there is another,
  better
  (easier/stable) way to handle this, we are open to
  using that.
  
  Any suggestions on places to look? A search on LDAP
  in the 9.2 docs got
  me over 1300 matches... a bit overwhelming!
  
  I'm going to be reading through the OID admin
  manual, but that's
  somewhat prejudiced towards Oracle :)
  
  Rachel
  
  
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Re: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Jack Silvey

free is good, especially when it comes to ldap and
beer.

;)

jack


--- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 thanks! that's pretty much the way we want to use it
 as well, for a
 universal login across any of our websites. Sun has
 an LDAP that we are
 looking at as well. The plus is, it's free. and we
 don't need another
 oracle license etc etc etc
 
 and even better, it wouldn't be MY responsibility to
 maintain :)
 
 Rachel
 
 --- Jack Silvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  my last gig was senior DBA at an internet travel
 shop,
  and we used LDAP to authenticate users. Since it
 is
  really just a glorified list sitting in memory, it
 is
  perfectly suited to small, straightforward uses
 such
  as this.
  
  We did not use oracle LDAP, but another vendor
 that I
  can't remember.
  
  The LDAP was accessed by the Java processes and
  gathered the password and username from it to
 login to
  the database.
  
  hth,
  
  jack silvey
  
  
  --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   One of the users here came to me to talk about
   setting up user
   authentication and wanted to know what I knew
 about
   LDAP and Oracle.
   since  the sum total of my knowledge on the
 subject
   consists of Oracle
   Internet Directory is a pain to set up I
 thought I
   might ask for
   advice from some who are more familiar with the
   subject.
   
   
   We will have something on the order of a million
   hits a day, this is
   definitely ONLY user authentication. We are not
   wedded to the idea that
   it has to be part of Oracle, if there is
 another,
   better
   (easier/stable) way to handle this, we are open
 to
   using that.
   
   Any suggestions on places to look? A search on
 LDAP
   in the 9.2 docs got
   me over 1300 matches... a bit overwhelming!
   
   I'm going to be reading through the OID admin
   manual, but that's
   somewhat prejudiced towards Oracle :)
   
   Rachel
   
   
  
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RE: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Larry Elkins

Jack,

What was the internet travel company?

Regards,

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RE: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread MacGregor, Ian A.

Oracle LDAP is free if you have purchased the full-blown version of iAS.

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One of the users here came to me to talk about setting up user
authentication and wanted to know what I knew about LDAP and Oracle.
since  the sum total of my knowledge on the subject consists of Oracle
Internet Directory is a pain to set up I thought I might ask for
advice from some who are more familiar with the subject.


We will have something on the order of a million hits a day, this is
definitely ONLY user authentication. We are not wedded to the idea that
it has to be part of Oracle, if there is another, better
(easier/stable) way to handle this, we are open to using that.

Any suggestions on places to look? A search on LDAP in the 9.2 docs got
me over 1300 matches... a bit overwhelming!

I'm going to be reading through the OID admin manual, but that's
somewhat prejudiced towards Oracle :)

Rachel


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RE: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Rachel Carmichael

we aren't using iAS.


--- MacGregor, Ian A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Oracle LDAP is free if you have purchased the full-blown version of
 iAS.
 
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 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 One of the users here came to me to talk about setting up user
 authentication and wanted to know what I knew about LDAP and Oracle.
 since  the sum total of my knowledge on the subject consists of
 Oracle
 Internet Directory is a pain to set up I thought I might ask for
 advice from some who are more familiar with the subject.
 
 
 We will have something on the order of a million hits a day, this is
 definitely ONLY user authentication. We are not wedded to the idea
 that
 it has to be part of Oracle, if there is another, better
 (easier/stable) way to handle this, we are open to using that.
 
 Any suggestions on places to look? A search on LDAP in the 9.2 docs
 got
 me over 1300 matches... a bit overwhelming!
 
 I'm going to be reading through the OID admin manual, but that's
 somewhat prejudiced towards Oracle :)
 
 Rachel
 
 
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RE: ldap info

2002-06-11 Thread Jack Silvey

XXtra online, owner of powertrip and MyTrip. Yet
another failed dotcom in the vast wasteland of free
money and no management to speak of.


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Re: LDAP deployment

2001-12-20 Thread Connor McDonald

Very briefly, we found:

a) it works fine
b) its a pain to setup since the doco (at 8i) was
scant to say the least
c) the error handling was poor, namely, every kind of
error gave a generic An error has occurred type of
message

So there is some short term pain, but once its done,
it works well

hth
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Re: LDAP and Oracle

2001-08-15 Thread DBarbour


No, but I'd also be mighty interested to hear about the details.  My
problem here is that I've got a couple of applications (heck, most of the
applications - including all the Oracle ones) that are not LDAP compliant.
Most have their own internal security setup.

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RE: LDAP

2001-06-21 Thread Guy Hammond

iPlanet are what's left of Netscape Corporation's server products group,
after they were eaten by the unholy alliance of Sun and AOL. They had an
application server (Netscape App Server, nee Kiva plus LiveWire) which
used a mysterious combination of C++ and JavaScript to create
AppLogic(tm). It was an OK product, if a little quirky but it
rapidly fell out of favor (at least at the consulting shop I was working
at at the time)  when WebLogic matured, since that was a lot more
reliable and standards-compliant (J2EE). And they liked Cold Fusion too,
because it was cheap and let people with minimal experience develop
database-backed web sites, but I've never thought of Cold Fusion as
anything more than a toy.

Having said that, I've used Oracle Application Server versions 2 to 4.
Version 2 was pretty good relative to what else was available in the
market, but 3 and 4 really slipped behind unless you were 100% Oracle,
for example deploying Forms and Reports on the web. If you wanted a
general-purpose app server for, say, a JSP based web site, you would be
better off with WebLogic or Sapphire or something. OAS 4 on NT was
dreadful, it really was the nail in the coffin as far as I was
concerned, which is odd because Oracle RDBMS on NT is very good, so it's
not as if Oracle don't know what they're doing on that platform.

My current favorite, for the last year or so, is ATG Dynamo. This app
server is fast, powerful, easy to use and very reliable. But it should
be, for what you pay for it!

Cheers,

g

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competition with Oracle's app server product. Does anyone
know if this is true?

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RE: LDAP

2001-06-20 Thread Mohan, Ross

Stephane, 

This was very interesting...I am still
perking on this...i have looked at
the dbmsldap package, and admit to some
ignoranceit seems that this PL/SQL
package is good for making calls to
OID (Oracle's LDAP) but I do not
see how these package calls could be
used to access the Netscape/iPlanet
tool. Is this via the OpenLDAP libraries
you cited?

Have you the time to illuminate further?

With thanks, and apologies for thick-headedness, 

- Ross

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Mohan, Ross wrote:
 
 Anyone have any idea when/if the Net8 clients will
 support/interface with Netscape/iPlanet LDAP offerings?
 
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Ross,

   I don't know if this has anything to do with your problem but I was
looking for a way to make Oracle applications access the contents of a
Netscape LDAP server. The idea was to map pseudo-tables upon PL/SQL
tables (using the object option) so as to enable applications to issue
SELECT * FROM LDAP$... types of queries. The problem is of course first
to map the essentially hierarchical structure of a LDAP directory into
relational tables (Back to the Future IV), and to create 'derived' views
to hold multivalued attributes, and, as I am lazy, to do it
automatically. I have a program (currently very ugly) written using
OpenLDAP libraries which connects to the Netscape server and 'shows'
(text mode, yek) the contents. You select the information you want to
map with Oracle and it generates code to do it. Charlie Mengler has
pointed me to the DBMS or UTL LDAP package, which can be used to fill
the PL/SQL tables with the proper info. In my case, there was a snag,
which is that it cannot work with MTS - and I have MTS. So I also
generate C code for a daemon. I have a prototype in which the daemon
writes a file used as cache which is then read with UTL_FILE by the
PL/SQL function which fills the tables. Not very smart but it works. I
am putting the last touch to another daemon which gets requests and
sends info through an Oracle pipe, thus acting as a kind of proxy for
the LDAP server. Would like to turn this into a true product, but still
very far from it.

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Re: LDAP

2001-06-20 Thread Jonathan Gennick

I wouldn't look for it anytime soon. I recently spoke to the
OID product manager about this issue, and he not only held
out no hope for this, he asserted that the correct
approach was to use meta-directory technology to sync OID
with iPlanet.

He also told me that the LDAP standards are a bit loose, and
that each LDAP directory vendor tends to go their own way a
bit, and that consequently, interoperability is not easy to
achieve.

Related to this, I seem to recall reading something the
other day that led me to believe that iPlanet is somewhat in
competition with Oracle's app server product. Does anyone
know if this is true?

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Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 1:21:14 PM, you wrote:
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Re: LDAP

2001-06-20 Thread Joe Raube

I work for a consulting firm that specializes
in iPlanet offerings.

iPlanet offers a web server, application server,
and LDAPand more.

See http://www.iplanet.com/

Somewhat in competition? At my firm, they
are in direct competition. I am presenting 
Oracle 9iAS this Friday to the group, to see
if they will even consider an in-house 9iAS
trial.

-Joe

 Related to this, I seem to recall reading something the
 other day that led me to believe that iPlanet is somewhat in
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Re: LDAP

2001-06-13 Thread Stephane Faroult

Mohan, Ross wrote:
 
 Anyone have any idea when/if the Net8 clients will
 support/interface with Netscape/iPlanet LDAP offerings?
 
 Any thoughts welcome...!
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Ross,

   I don't know if this has anything to do with your problem but I was
looking for a way to make Oracle applications access the contents of a
Netscape LDAP server. The idea was to map pseudo-tables upon PL/SQL
tables (using the object option) so as to enable applications to issue
SELECT * FROM LDAP$... types of queries. The problem is of course first
to map the essentially hierarchical structure of a LDAP directory into
relational tables (Back to the Future IV), and to create 'derived' views
to hold multivalued attributes, and, as I am lazy, to do it
automatically. I have a program (currently very ugly) written using
OpenLDAP libraries which connects to the Netscape server and 'shows'
(text mode, yek) the contents. You select the information you want to
map with Oracle and it generates code to do it. Charlie Mengler has
pointed me to the DBMS or UTL LDAP package, which can be used to fill
the PL/SQL tables with the proper info. In my case, there was a snag,
which is that it cannot work with MTS - and I have MTS. So I also
generate C code for a daemon. I have a prototype in which the daemon
writes a file used as cache which is then read with UTL_FILE by the
PL/SQL function which fills the tables. Not very smart but it works. I
am putting the last touch to another daemon which gets requests and
sends info through an Oracle pipe, thus acting as a kind of proxy for
the LDAP server. Would like to turn this into a true product, but still
very far from it.

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Re: LDAP/OID

2001-06-01 Thread Stephane Faroult ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Dave Morgan wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 OID is not worth the hassle of installing, but, has
 anyone used  a regular LDAP server to hold Oracle
 database information? Details would be appreciatted.
 
 TIA
 Dave
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What do you mean, holding Oracle database information ? Storing TNS
aliases? They would still need to be mapped to port/host/sid. Or for
authentification ? I have been working on this very recently, but it
still need to be polished a little. Basically, the idea is to map
pseudo-views over information collected from a (Netscape) LDAP server.
Applications can then access information from the LDAP server through
SQL. I am not madly happy with my current implementation (which uses a
flat file, regularly refreshed, as cache. Uh.) but it's promising.
e-mail me privately if you want some details.
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Re: LDAP/OID

2001-06-01 Thread SuzyV


Four years ago, I worked on a project to publish employee/people data sourced in
Oracle to Netscape LDAP.  We first mapped our relational data to V3
objectclasses  attributes, and defined our own objectclasses  attributes as
needed.  Then we created a table that held: primary_key table_name
transaction_type transaction_date ldap_update_status.  Change events were logged
to this table using triggers, and a PERL script generated LDIF changes based on
events in this table.  PERL used DBD/DBI to Oracle, and CL utilities
ldapsearch/ldapmodify to LDAP.  Not exactly elegant, but for a low-volume
transaction database (approx 6000 changes per day) it worked well.  We did this
back when LDAP was relatively new, and we had experience with X500 so it was
considered a huge improvement.

Oracle remained the data source for employee/people published to LDAP, and LDAP
was the data source for other data like passwords, certificates and
preferences.  LDAP served the needs of 70,000+ employees who used it for
directory lookups, password  certificate authentication, e-mail and calendar
prefs, group lists, etc.  We also integrated LDAP authentication and access
control for hundreds of web-based applications.  

LDAP is definately worthwhile, good planning on schema design is must.  Haven't
done anything yet with OID except install and look at it.

Suzy

Dave Morgan wrote:
 
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 OID is not worth the hassle of installing, but, has
 anyone used  a regular LDAP server to hold Oracle
 database information? Details would be appreciatted.
 
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