RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Sure it IS a crime. At 01:27 PM 6/7/01 -0800, you wrote: As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
WOW! I come in and find this thread.. Well, what can I say? My links section seems to be going down the pan :) Can I clarify something then please guys - it IS illegal to post an authors paper to your web page with out their prior permission.. Got that.. Wasn't planning to do it either - yet :) What about posting a link from our page to a page on somebody else's site that holds the paper (legally or not)? -- what I WAS planning on doing. What about posting links to peoples SITES without their permission? I usually do ask the authors of the sites whether they mind a link being posted to their site from ours, and am in fact about to start this exercise off the list, for those site owners on my list - beware :) But again I shouldn't see a problem with this - as it is essentially promoting that persons site (and in MY opinion anybody complaining about this must be a moron). I guess all I really want to know (without consulting our solicitor or anything ridiculous like that :) is what can I post on our site? We want something that will really benefit a surfing DBA! As many of you know, you visit a site looking for something, you surf the site, and a lot of people then see what kind of links they have - to carry on surfing for what you are looking for.. That's the direction I'm going in.. To get to our site, people are going to be searching for /Oracle admin/performance/tuning/sql tuning/archiving/same for sybase and sqlserver/ kind of key words - so essentially I have to follow this trend to link people out of the site also - IMHO. Your opinions? Cheers Mark -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 08:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sure it IS a crime. At 01:27 PM 6/7/01 -0800, you wrote: As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed snip- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Hi! I've removed all papers, You can test it ;) I do agree that it maybe is a sort of crime, but if You have read about Open Source, then You know their world outlook about how to get known in the Internet world. I think this is one of the reasons many people don't like M$ and like Linux. Ok, ok these are Your rights to ask to withdraw these docs and I've done it. On the other hand if somebody reads Your doc and gets more familiar with Oracle, I think we all may benefit from that, don't You think so? And if You and (our organization also) have enough money to buy necessary books and materials, it doesn't mean all other world has. Oh, but this is a big political issue and this list isn't for that. I would like also to mention that something like it's still illegal. Period, end of story. leads to nothing. Such politics only lead to ever deeper conflict in every case. All things in world isn't only white or black. We have other colors, too. P.S. I hadn't any direct or indirect profit from posting these papers, at least till today. Gints Plivna Rachel Carmichael To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] carmichr@hotcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail.comSubject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. 01.06.07 23:00 Steve, Thank you for the explanation. And I am adding my voice and vote to yours to have the link removed. Rachel From: Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED],Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:40:51 +1000 Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel Now, does anybody have anything to add to this? Papers that you have found to be invaluable? ] Thanks again Mark
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
I would input that you can put a link to any site on your own without worries of law breaking unless it could be deemed defamatory. eg Click 'here' for Joe Smiths's site is fine, whereas Click 'here' for the socially dysfunctional pervert Joe Smith's site (apologies if anyone called Joe Smith is on the list) would probably be open for debate :-) Cheers Connor --- Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW! I come in and find this thread.. Well, what can I say? My links section seems to be going down the pan :) Can I clarify something then please guys - it IS illegal to post an authors paper to your web page with out their prior permission.. Got that.. Wasn't planning to do it either - yet :) What about posting a link from our page to a page on somebody else's site that holds the paper (legally or not)? -- what I WAS planning on doing. What about posting links to peoples SITES without their permission? I usually do ask the authors of the sites whether they mind a link being posted to their site from ours, and am in fact about to start this exercise off the list, for those site owners on my list - beware :) But again I shouldn't see a problem with this - as it is essentially promoting that persons site (and in MY opinion anybody complaining about this must be a moron). I guess all I really want to know (without consulting our solicitor or anything ridiculous like that :) is what can I post on our site? We want something that will really benefit a surfing DBA! As many of you know, you visit a site looking for something, you surf the site, and a lot of people then see what kind of links they have - to carry on surfing for what you are looking for.. That's the direction I'm going in.. To get to our site, people are going to be searching for /Oracle admin/performance/tuning/sql tuning/archiving/same for sybase and sqlserver/ kind of key words - so essentially I have to follow this trend to link people out of the site also - IMHO. Your opinions? Cheers Mark -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 08:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sure it IS a crime. At 01:27 PM 6/7/01 -0800, you wrote: As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed snip- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Just an opinion: This thread is really interesting, so I just wanted to say something. I have never written a book or published a paper so I won't begin to try and say I understand where all of the anger is coming from. But I will say this, if I had ever written a book/paper and was surfing the web one day and saw a link to it on some persons web site, I would be pretty honored. That would mean to me that someone believes what is flowing out of my brain. If they called me bad names and such, yeah, I'd be pissed and I would let them know, if they were in the US I might go after them. On the other hand, if I was surfing the net and found one of my papers on someones web sight, a part of me would be pissed and a part would be happy too. I would definately contact the person and tell them to at least give me credit for the paper if they hadn't. If it was a technical web sight by a respectible person in the field, (not a big name, just someone working hard for a living) I wouldn't care, it's the internet, people all over the world go there for information. Just as some of the members of this list have said, not everyone has the ability to afford technical books and manuals, they 'need' the inernet for this type of information. People are going to find the information somewhere from somebody, and some of the people on this list are some of the best DBA's around, I think it's better that their papers and publications be found. It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
erm. lights the blue touchpaper and stands back. I feel this one may go on for sometime now.. Lee It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
hehe -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L erm. lights the blue touchpaper and stands back. I feel this one may go on for sometime now.. Lee It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Wasn't meant to be offensive, hope it wasn't if it was, sincere aplogies. KK -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L erm. lights the blue touchpaper and stands back. I feel this one may go on for sometime now.. Lee It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Do you need local support? I can arrange something. And a dinner - Bulgarian cuisine is good. BTW, it seems that this guy (don't know him personally) is a 24-25 years old student. It seems also that the pages in question are removed. Dr. Nikolay Kumanov MIS Manager, Zeitungsgruppe Bulgarien GmbH 47, Tsarigradsko chaussee, Sofia 1504, Bulgaria phone: +(359-2)4339-643, fax: +(359-2)946-1286 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Show me a completely smooth operation and I'll show you someone who's covering mistakes. Real boats rock. - Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse: Dune -Original Message- Posted At: Friday, June 08, 2001 12:59 AM Posted To: Oracle Conversation: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. goof on Don't you understand, Waleed? It's theft! Info Theft! I suggest we take up a collection to fly Alex and Mladen over their to kick his *ss. Ok, they may run into trouble. So send Lisa along as The Fixer. So...Alex, Mladen, and Lisa, do you want to fly to Bulgaria to kick some Info-Stealing Commie Butt? goof off -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Nikolay Kumanov INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
If your refering to my site, Anita emailed the paper and asked me to post it up there, which is where the article Gaja mentioned resides. Although, I will admit I was not familar with legal issues of posting papers on a site as long as I gave full credit to the author, I see alot of these articles all over the place on many sites. I didn't think there was anything wrong with posting them online as long as I didn't assume credit for creation of the document. I just got back in and just reading through the thread now. I will more than happily remove the list of articles off my site if anyone is offended by me putting on my site. I did not intend to offend anyone by putting people's article on my site. I basically wanted to have a repository of information for everyone rather than having to go all over the place to find them. I gave due credit to the authors. I have no gain from this site and not even advertise consulting services. I have not gotten any emails from any author complaining about their papers are on my site, but reading this thread certainly makes things apparent. If I have offended anyone by placing their article on my site please forgive me and just send me an email. I will be happy to remove it. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Rachel, Thanks for thinking of me, but I gave the paper to Christopher to put on his site. -- Anita --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Anita, I forgot to thank you for sending me the paper (Replication)! Thanks Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 2:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rachel, Thanks for thinking of me, but I gave the paper to Christopher to put on his site. -- Anita --- Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
All, Like Steve Adams mentioned yesterday, it is just a matter of common courtesy to ask before publishing on one's website. Authors usually will be more than happy to share the information and make it available to everyone. After all most of the information are in white papers. That is all that is being asked here, we know nobody is making money out of it, but just shooting out a one-line e-mail to the author, would go a long way. Thanks for your support and understanding, Gaja --- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your refering to my site, Anita emailed the paper and asked me to post it up there, which is where the article Gaja mentioned resides. Although, I will admit I was not familar with legal issues of posting papers on a site as long as I gave full credit to the author, I see alot of these articles all over the place on many sites. I didn't think there was anything wrong with posting them online as long as I didn't assume credit for creation of the document. I just got back in and just reading through the thread now. I will more than happily remove the list of articles off my site if anyone is offended by me putting on my site. I did not intend to offend anyone by putting people's article on my site. I basically wanted to have a repository of information for everyone rather than having to go all over the place to find them. I gave due credit to the authors. I have no gain from this site and not even advertise consulting services. I have not gotten any emails from any author complaining about their papers are on my site, but reading this thread certainly makes things apparent. If I have offended anyone by placing their article on my site please forgive me and just send me an email. I will be happy to remove it. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/l/locke.htm --- excerpt --- Since it is the understanding that sets man above the rest of sensible beings, and gives him all the advantage and dominion which he has over them; it is certainly a subject, even for its nobleness, worth our labour to inquire into. The understanding, like the eye, while it makes us see and perceive all other things, takes no notice of itself; and it requires art and pains to set it at a distance and make it its own object. But whatever be the difficulties that lie in the way of this inquiry; whatever it be that keeps us so much in the dark to ourselves; sure I am that all the light we can let in upon our minds, all the acquaintance we can make with our own understandings, will not only be very pleasant, but bring us great advantage, in directing our thoughts in the search of other things. _Essay_, John Locke excerpt: ...In Two Treatises of Government he has two purposes in view: to refute the doctrine of the divine and absolute right of the Monarch, as it had been put forward by Robert Filmer's Patriarcha, and to establish a theory which would reconcile the liberty of the citizen with political order. ... Although there is little direct reference to Hobbes, Locke seems to have had Hobbes in mind when he argued that the doctrine of absolute monarchy leaves sovereign and subjects in the state of nature towards one another. The constructive doctrines which are elaborated in the second treatise became the basis of social and political philosophy for generations. ***Labor is the origin and justification of property***; contract or consent is the ground of government and fixes its limits. Behind both doctrines lies the idea of the independence of the individual person. The state of nature knows no government; but in it, as in political society, men are subject to the moral law, which is the law of God. Men are born free and equal in rights. Whatever a man mixes his labour with is his to use. Or, at least, this was so in the primitive condition of human life in which there was enough for all and the whole earth was America. Locke sees that, when men have multiplied and land has become scarce, rules are needed beyond those which the moral law or law of nature supplies. But the origin of government is traced not to this economic necessity, but to another cause. The moral law is always valid, but it is not always kept. In the state of nature all men equally have the right to ***punish transgressors***: civil society originates when, for the better administration of the law, men agree to delegate this function to certain officers. Thus ***government is instituted by a social contract***; its powers are limited, and they involve reciprocal obligations; moreover, they can be modified or rescinded by the authority which conferred them. Locke's theory is thus no more historical than Hobbes's. It is a rendering of the facts of constitutional government in terms of thought, and it served its purpose as a justification of the Revolution settlement in accordance with the ideas of the time. ... The business of laws, is not to provide for the truth of opinions, but for the safety and security of the commonwealth, and of every particular man's goods and person. And so it ought to be. For truth certainly would do well enough, if she were once left to shift for herself. She seldom has received, and I fear never will receive, much assistance from the power of great men, to whom she is but rarely known, and more rarely welcome. She is not taught by laws, nor has she any need of force, to procure her entrance into the minds of men. Errors, indeed, prevail by the assistance of foreign and borrowed succors. But if truth makes not her way into the understanding by her own light, she will be but the weaker for any borrowed force violence can add to her. _Treatise of Civil Power in Ecclesiastical Causes_(?), John Locke ... --- end --- more from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Property rights: http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/p/property.htm - Social contract: http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/s/soc-cont.htm On 8 Jun 2001, at 9:40, Khedr, Waleed wrote: If any one is having a problem with that then I guess they want to be the center of the universe and I'd suggest them to get help! ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
didn't bother me, I thought you meant the author of the OTHER Oracle DBA 101 book (yes, there is one. It's a self-publish one. No I have not, nor do I intend to, bought it) From: Kevin Kostyszyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:06:10 -0800 Wasn't meant to be offensive, hope it wasn't if it was, sincere aplogies. KK -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L erm. lights the blue touchpaper and stands back. I feel this one may go on for sometime now.. Lee It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
greatly look forward to hearing about that when it happens! ep On 7 Jun 2001, at 17:26, Rachel Carmichael wrote: Date sent: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 17:26:55 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eric, they may have taken it down, it was an older conference.. in that case I will make sure a copy of it is posted on the NYOUG website (www.nyoug.org) Rachel From: Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:25:46 -0700 R- there appear to be several references to your dba 101 refresher paper in other people's material, but (so far) I can't find a link to the actual paper itself. ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
My apologies. If Anita emailed the paper to you then of course you have her permission to post it on your site. From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:41:59 -0800 If your refering to my site, Anita emailed the paper and asked me to post it up there, which is where the article Gaja mentioned resides. Although, I will admit I was not familar with legal issues of posting papers on a site as long as I gave full credit to the author, I see alot of these articles all over the place on many sites. I didn't think there was anything wrong with posting them online as long as I didn't assume credit for creation of the document. I just got back in and just reading through the thread now. I will more than happily remove the list of articles off my site if anyone is offended by me putting on my site. I did not intend to offend anyone by putting people's article on my site. I basically wanted to have a repository of information for everyone rather than having to go all over the place to find them. I gave due credit to the authors. I have no gain from this site and not even advertise consulting services. I have not gotten any emails from any author complaining about their papers are on my site, but reading this thread certainly makes things apparent. If I have offended anyone by placing their article on my site please forgive me and just send me an email. I will be happy to remove it. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Oh jeez, no I wasn't referring to any real people, authors, animals, anything, all fake!! -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 3:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L didn't bother me, I thought you meant the author of the OTHER Oracle DBA 101 book (yes, there is one. It's a self-publish one. No I have not, nor do I intend to, bought it) From: Kevin Kostyszyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 07:06:10 -0800 Wasn't meant to be offensive, hope it wasn't if it was, sincere aplogies. KK -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L erm. lights the blue touchpaper and stands back. I feel this one may go on for sometime now.. Lee It's that or we read DBA 101 written by someone who has just read a lot of things and never touched a db in their life. I don't know, just thinking outloud. KK -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 8:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Folks, Just my opinion but : Hosting a document on your site without the author's express or implied permission is bad. Providing a 'deep' link direct to a document within another site is OK if you check with the site owner. It's plain bad manners if you don't OK it first. Linking to the home page of the site containing the document is fine (unless, as mentioned, the link is along the lines of 'This bloke is a total arse and his paper is pitiful - here it is'). Another thing I hate to see is links to sites which pop the target site into a frame within the source site. Also, I'm no lawyer but contrary to an earlier post I'm sure that posting copyrighted material on your own site without gaining permission IS a crime. Perhaps someone can correct me there = ) Regards, Mike Hately -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L
Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
On Friday 08 June 2001 12:30, Rachel Carmichael wrote: Now as for Steve Adams, he HAS written a book: Oracle8i Internal Services for Waits, Latches, Locks and Memory for O'Reilly You have such a gift for understatement. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
you would have preferred I sent up skyrockets? :) From: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:01:08 -0800 On Friday 08 June 2001 12:30, Rachel Carmichael wrote: Now as for Steve Adams, he HAS written a book: Oracle8i Internal Services for Waits, Latches, Locks and Memory for O'Reilly You have such a gift for understatement. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
thanks for sharing, dude. || -Original Message- || From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:42 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few || already - namely the || Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a || way :) But there || were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || Jared Still's Website || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html || || Thomas Cox's Website || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ || || Evergreen Database Technologies || http://www.evdbt.com/ || || OraBugFinder || http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html || || Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) || www.vampired.net || || Johnathan Lewis's excellent site || http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk || || Lazy DBA || www.lazydba.com || || DBA Village || www.dba-village.com || || UK Oracle Users Group || www.ukoug.co.uk || || K Gopalakrishnan's site || http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish || || http://www.oraclenotes.com/ || || http://www.orafaq.org || || http://www.oracle-dba.com || || http://www.orafans.com || || http://www.oracle-users.com || || http://www.oracleguru.com || || http://www.oramag.com/ || || http://www.oraperf.com/ || || http://www.oraxcel.com || || PAPERS- || || Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf || || Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc || || Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf || || Database Tuning Methodology - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc || || SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf || || Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf || || Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf || || Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc || || Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc || || Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc || || Oracle DBA Checklist || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf || || DBA101: A Refresher Course || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc || || Thomas Cox's DBA Checklist. || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc || || || Now, does anybody have anything to add to this? Papers that || you have found || to be invaluable? ] || || Thanks again || || Mark || || -Original Message- || Spence || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 05:01 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || That is a great site, I added it to my links as well, been a || little slow || adding all the right links into my site as well. || || || Walking on water and developing software from a || specification are easy if || both are frozen. || || Christopher R. Spence || Oracle DBA || Fuelspot || || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Just to add || || http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk || || for Johnathan Lewis's excellent site || || Cheers || Connor || || --- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || This list is by far incomplete, but it is the links || i have on my site || currently. || I have about 50-100 different sites, I only put the || ones I most frequently || use or like on my site. || I am going to go through the rest and finishing || adding links as well. I || left out some good ones here I know, but my list is || currently at home not || here as I just cleaning up my machine. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || || Jared Still's Website || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Mark, I wouldn't expect you to know the ins and outs of the US legal system! I will need to check on a link, I can't remember if we presented that to OpenWorld or IOUG. I'm pretty sure it was OpenWorld. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:02:06 -0800 Rachel, You are an angel for pointing all of this out to me - Legalities are not my strong point I can tell you :) I will refrain from posting that link - though do you have a valid link that I CAN post to? It is a great little doc.. Cheers Mark -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 06:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc Oracle DBA Checklist http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Thomas Cox's DBA Checklist. http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc Now, does anybody have anything to add to this? Papers that you have found to be invaluable? ] Thanks again Mark -Original Message- Spence Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 05:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That is a great site, I added it to my links as well, been a little slow adding all the right links into my site as well
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc Oracle DBA Checklist http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Thomas Cox's DBA Checklist. http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc Now, does anybody have anything to add to this? Papers that you have found to be invaluable? ] Thanks again Mark -- Please see
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
LoL! NOW, we have a Dream Team || -Original Message- || From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:21 PM || To: Mohan, Ross || Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || On Thu, 7 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in || glitter crayon: || || -goof on || - || -Don't you understand, Waleed? It's theft! Info Theft! || - || -I suggest we take up a collection to fly Alex and Mladen || -over their to kick his *ss. || - || -Ok, they may run into trouble. So send Lisa along as The Fixer. || - || -So...Alex, Mladen, and Lisa, do you want to fly to Bulgaria to || -kick some Info-Stealing Commie Butt? || || no need, i'm still well connected.;-) || || -- || Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA || Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] || ~~ || You gotta program like you don't need the money, || You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, || You gotta run like there's nobody watching, || It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. || ~~ || The program is absolutely right; therefore the computer must || be wrong. || -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohan, Ross INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Khedr, Waleed wrote: As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed Not if it is the original author. I have had the bad surprise of finding a lot of stuff pumped out of our site supposedly submitted by myself - embarrassing, isn't it? It actually depends on why people put interesting stuff on a site. If it's for self-promotion (consulting, etc.) I fully agree with you, although I also agree with (who was it? Rachel? Gaja?) that it would be nicer to ask. If the purpose is to bring people to the site to sell them something, it's a different matter and it would be fairer to put a link to the site. That said, I do not see a bulgarian or latvian site as primarily a 'copyright haven' but as a site in a country where the usual 40/50 $ you have to pay for a computer book in the US are an unaffordable luxury, and where good papers have all the more value. I think that more effort should be done to translate good papers in the most spoken languages (Spanish, Chinese, Hindi, Russian), and anybody willing to do this with papers from our site would have my blessing. All the more or less fluent English speakers (or scribblers) from this list may not realise it, but many DBAs have a lot of trouble making sense of the doc, even when it's not about global prefixed partitioned indexes. And the Oracle support policy? Bye-bye hotline, help yourself on Metalink. Ah, yes, just a snag: it's all in English (or something looking like it). Regards, Stephane Faroult Oriole Corporation Voice: +44 (0) 7050-696-269 Fax:+44 (0) 7050-696-449 Performance Tools Free Scripts -- http://www.oriole.com, designed by Oracle DBAs for Oracle DBAs -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Stephane Faroult INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Hi Ethan, To me, the difference is that Google always points you to the site where the original document is to be found, and if an author updates or withdraws a paper from their web site, Google will revisit the site within a few weeks and either update their cached copy or drop the item from their index as appropriate. Also, authors can ask the search engines not to spider stuff using a robots.txt file. People who put illegal copies on their own web sites probably don't check for a robots.txt file or equivalent meta tags, generally don't have links to the original content, and are most unlikely to have spiders continually checking the validity of their copies. I think that the search engines are mostly OK on both ethics and copyright law. However, I would not be surprised if Google's serving of cached copies were to be regarded as technically illegal by the courts. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 7:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Google also stores the text of a lot of these .pdfs in cache. - E -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc Oracle DBA Checklist http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Thomas Cox's DBA Checklist. http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc === message truncated === -- This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
I guess they'd never be cached if they weren't on http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php or the originating author's site, right? || -Original Message- || From: Post, Ethan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || Google also stores the text of a lot of these .pdfs in cache. - E || || -Original Message- || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:28 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Hi Steve and list, || || While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on || multiple sites including this site : || http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and || I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission || from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not || mirror what is done on Marin's site? || || Gaja || || || And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to || the NY user group web || page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that || sponsored it and the ECO || conference, does not exist anymore. || || Rachel || || || From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle || related URL's. || Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 || || Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a || few already - namely the || Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film || title in a way :) But there || were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || Jared Still's Website || || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html || || Thomas Cox's Website || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ || || Evergreen Database Technologies || http://www.evdbt.com/ || || OraBugFinder || || http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfi || nder.html || || Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's || Site) || www.vampired.net || || Johnathan Lewis's excellent site || http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk || || Lazy DBA || www.lazydba.com || || DBA Village || www.dba-village.com || || UK Oracle Users Group || www.ukoug.co.uk || || K Gopalakrishnan's site || http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish || || http://www.oraclenotes.com/ || || http://www.orafaq.org || || http://www.oracle-dba.com || || http://www.orafans.com || || http://www.oracle-users.com || || http://www.oracleguru.com || || http://www.oramag.com/ || || http://www.oraperf.com/ || || http://www.oraxcel.com || || PAPERS- || || Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview || || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf || || Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc || || Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production || environment - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf || || Database Tuning Methodology - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc || || SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf || || Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf || || Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your || Application - || || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf || || Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc || || Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc || || Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc || || Oracle DBA Checklist || || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf || || DBA101: A Refresher Course || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc || || Thomas Cox's DBA Checklist. || || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/dba_checklist13.doc || || || === message truncated === || || || || - || - || This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only || and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary || information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If || you have received this message in error, please inform us || promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy || any printed copy. Thank you
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
yes it does. And anita's paper is there and I know she didn't even know it was there. From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:55 -0800 Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
goof on Don't you understand, Waleed? It's theft! Info Theft! I suggest we take up a collection to fly Alex and Mladen over their to kick his *ss. Ok, they may run into trouble. So send Lisa along as The Fixer. So...Alex, Mladen, and Lisa, do you want to fly to Bulgaria to kick some Info-Stealing Commie Butt? goof off || -Original Message- || From: Khedr, Waleed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:28 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I || do not believe || it's a big crime. || || Regards, || || Waleed || || -Original Message- || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Hi Rachel and list, || || The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov || [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. || Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including || one of mine). I || once || asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His || explanation was that the || collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he || removed the index || to || make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the || net, but it appears || to || have come back! It can also be seen at || http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and || an || older version is mirrored at || http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. || || I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the || mirror site) on this || mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, || but I would || prefer || the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes || to Rachel's and || mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be || immune to || international copyright law, but individuals are seldom || immune to community || disapprobation. || || @ Regards, || @ Steve Adams || @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ || @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the || fact that the paper || is on his site) bothers me... || || DBA101: A Refresher Course || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc || || Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which || is copyrighted) || to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the || fact that this is || illegal doesn't count. || || For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a || link to a legal || copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted || information without the express permission of the copyright holder. || || Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the || paper to anyone who || asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. || || And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY || user group web || page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored || it and the ECO || conference, does not exist anymore. || || Rachel || || || From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 || || Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few || already - namely the || Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a || way :) But there || were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || Jared Still's Website || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html || || Thomas Cox's Website || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ || || Evergreen Database Technologies || http://www.evdbt.com/ || || OraBugFinder || http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfi || nder.html || || Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) || www.vampired.net || || Johnathan Lewis's excellent site || http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk || || Lazy DBA || www.lazydba.com || || DBA Village || www.dba-village.com || || UK Oracle Users Group || www.ukoug.co.uk || || K Gopalakrishnan's site || http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish || || http://www.oraclenotes.com/ || || http://www.orafaq.org || || http://www.oracle-dba.com || || http://www.orafans.com || || http://www.oracle-users.com || || http://www.oracleguru.com || || http://www.oramag.com/ || || http://www.oraperf.com/ || || http://www.oraxcel.com || || PAPERS
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
You need to read some books about what is considered a protected private intellectual property and see if this falls in this category or not. Having a paper about Oracle tuning tips on many other sites without changing the authors is not the end of the world! Having the internet (devil) and open world of info, people have to be more easy! Regards, Waleed Khedr === These statements are personal only and are not to be attributed in any way to any Fidelity Investments company. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L goof on Don't you understand, Waleed? It's theft! Info Theft! I suggest we take up a collection to fly Alex and Mladen over their to kick his *ss. Ok, they may run into trouble. So send Lisa along as The Fixer. So...Alex, Mladen, and Lisa, do you want to fly to Bulgaria to kick some Info-Stealing Commie Butt? goof off || -Original Message- || From: Khedr, Waleed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:28 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I || do not believe || it's a big crime. || || Regards, || || Waleed || || -Original Message- || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || Hi Rachel and list, || || The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov || [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. || Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including || one of mine). I || once || asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His || explanation was that the || collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he || removed the index || to || make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the || net, but it appears || to || have come back! It can also be seen at || http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and || an || older version is mirrored at || http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. || || I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the || mirror site) on this || mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, || but I would || prefer || the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes || to Rachel's and || mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be || immune to || international copyright law, but individuals are seldom || immune to community || disapprobation. || || @ Regards, || @ Steve Adams || @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ || @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the || fact that the paper || is on his site) bothers me... || || DBA101: A Refresher Course || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc || || Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which || is copyrighted) || to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the || fact that this is || illegal doesn't count. || || For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a || link to a legal || copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted || information without the express permission of the copyright holder. || || Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the || paper to anyone who || asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. || || And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY || user group web || page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored || it and the ECO || conference, does not exist anymore. || || Rachel || || || From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 || || Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few || already - namely the || Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a || way :) But there || were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || Jared Still's Website || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html || || Thomas Cox's Website || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ || || Evergreen Database Technologies || http://www.evdbt.com/ || || OraBugFinder || http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfi
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Just so all are clear...I was just mentioning that all this stuff is cached on google, I did not mean to imply that it somehow makes it alright. In fact I'm glad to see so many other moral absolutists on the list :) - Ethan -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Ethan, To me, the difference is that Google always points you to the site where the original document is to be found, and if an author updates or withdraws a paper from their web site, Google will revisit the site within a few weeks and either update their cached copy or drop the item from their index as appropriate. Also, authors can ask the search engines not to spider stuff using a robots.txt file. People who put illegal copies on their own web sites probably don't check for a robots.txt file or equivalent meta tags, generally don't have links to the original content, and are most unlikely to have spiders continually checking the validity of their copies. I think that the search engines are mostly OK on both ethics and copyright law. However, I would not be surprised if Google's serving of cached copies were to be regarded as technically illegal by the courts. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -- This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee(s) only and may contain privileged, confidential, or proprietary information that is exempt from disclosure under law. If you have received this message in error, please inform us promptly by reply e-mail, then delete the e-mail and destroy any printed copy. Thank you. == -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
R- there appear to be several references to your dba 101 refresher paper in other people's material, but (so far) I can't find a link to the actual paper itself. other stuff: http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=search select Any from select track and select Any from select level The following papers shows up with Carmichael as the search criteria: http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=sessionp_id=801 title: Congratulations! You're the New DBA. Don't Panic! - http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=sessionp_id=370 title: Dealing With Users: A Guide to the DBA_Views - questions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.osborne.com/oracle/toc_samples/0072121203_Fm.pdf On 7 Jun 2001, at 11:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote: I will need to check on a link, I can't remember if we presented that to OpenWorld or IOUG. I'm pretty sure it was OpenWorld. From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:02:06 -0800 Rachel, You are an angel for pointing all of this out to me - Legalities are not my strong point I can tell you :) I will refrain from posting that link - though do you have a valid link that I CAN post to? It is a great little doc.. --- I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Authors, and List, I do agree that it is wrong to post papers without permissions etc. etc., but lets not be so harsh. I come from a Third world country (BOLIVIA) where getting up to-date Literature is almost impossible, most all documentation that people work with is obsolete, and this people heavily rely on papers posted somewhere. As far as books you could forget it, the cost of a book here is around $50.oo (101) series that is about 1/3 of their monthly salary. Some of the people that are benefited from this Piracy are college students that one day may become the next GAJA , RACHEL, or KEVIN. Lets remember that the NET's intent was to ease the sharing of information. Please, please lets not be to harsh on the people that post this materials, but lets ask them to give all the credit to the authors and if possible try to get their permission. We are lucky to live in a Country where we can afford to pay for this materials or to pay for conferences etc. other nations are not so lucky. I just had to let it out. Sorry Regardless Friend 4 ever Tavo Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha wrote: Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
I have ambitions of building yet another resource for DBA's and my take on all of this is I am going to promote those other guys sites. Why? Many of them are consultants, self employed and sure many are probably making a comfortable living. But if I ever want to start a consultancy I want to be able to work with these guys wherever they are in the world. That is so my customers can get localised support in overseas locations or even here in Australia. You cant be everywhere at once. I will probably want to call on these people for services I cant provide for what ever reason. Remember whatever you dish out will eventually come back to you some day both good and bad My 0.02c worth Peter -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 11:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Eric, they may have taken it down, it was an older conference.. in that case I will make sure a copy of it is posted on the NYOUG website (www.nyoug.org) Rachel From: Eric D. Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rachel Carmichael [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:25:46 -0700 R- there appear to be several references to your dba 101 refresher paper in other people's material, but (so far) I can't find a link to the actual paper itself. other stuff: http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=search select Any from select track and select Any from select level The following papers shows up with Carmichael as the search criteria: http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=session p_id=801 title: Congratulations! You're the New DBA. Don't Panic! - http://www.oracle.com/pls/oow/oow_user.show_public?p_event=3p_type=session p_id=370 title: Dealing With Users: A Guide to the DBA_Views - questions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.osborne.com/oracle/toc_samples/0072121203_Fm.pdf On 7 Jun 2001, at 11:25, Rachel Carmichael wrote: I will need to check on a link, I can't remember if we presented that to OpenWorld or IOUG. I'm pretty sure it was OpenWorld. From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 10:02:06 -0800 Rachel, You are an angel for pointing all of this out to me - Legalities are not my strong point I can tell you :) I will refrain from posting that link - though do you have a valid link that I CAN post to? It is a great little doc.. --- I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc ... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Peter McLarty INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding the Performance Bottlenecks in Your Application - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N067_performance.pdf Inside the Oracle Cost Based Optimizer - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N080_optimizer.doc Seven Deadly SQL Traps and How to Avoid Them - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N082_tuning.doc Secrets of SQL and Application Tuning - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N108_tuning.doc Oracle DBA Checklist http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N008_dba_checklist.pdf DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Gaja, Are you asking for the Golden Rule to be applied? My gosh, how revolutionary. Yer gonna get crucified. ;- Ross || -Original Message- || From: Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] || Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:28 PM || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. || || || Hi Steve and list, || || While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on || multiple sites including this site : || http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and || I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission || from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not || mirror what is done on Marin's site? || || Gaja || || || --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: || Hi Rachel and list, || || The person responsible for that site is Marin || Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. || Almost all the papers there are illegal copies || (including one of mine). I once || asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His || explanation was that the || collection was for his personal use only. At the || time, he removed the index to || make the collection largely invisible to the rest of || the net, but it appears to || have come back! It can also be seen at || http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an || older version is mirrored at || || http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. || || I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for || the mirror site) on this || mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the || indexes again, but I would prefer || the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add || their votes to Rachel's and || mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and || Latvia may be immune to || international copyright law, but individuals are || seldom immune to community || disapprobation. || || @ Regards, || @ Steve Adams || @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ || @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ || || || -Original Message- || Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || || || I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually || the fact that the paper || is on his site) bothers me... || || DBA101: A Refresher Course || http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc || || Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper || (which is copyrighted) || to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, || so the fact that this is || illegal doesn't count. || || For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to || post a link to a legal || copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to || post copyrighted || information without the express permission of the || copyright holder. || || Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of || the paper to anyone who || asked or given permission to post it. But I would || prefer to be ASKED. || || And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to || the NY user group web || page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that || sponsored it and the ECO || conference, does not exist anymore. || || Rachel || || || From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] || To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle || related URL's. || Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 || || Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a || few already - namely the || Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film || title in a way :) But there || were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. || || IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) || http://ixora.com.au/ || || Oracle Technet || http://technet.oracle.com || || OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) || www.orapub.com || || DBA Support || http://www.dbasupport.com/ || || Thomas Kyte's Website || http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ || || Connor McDonald's Web Site || http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ || || Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) || www.hotsos.com || || Jared Still's Website || || http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html || || Thomas Cox's Website || http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ || || Evergreen Database Technologies || http://www.evdbt.com/ || || OraBugFinder || || http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfi || nder.html || || Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's || Site) || www.vampired.net || || Johnathan Lewis's excellent site || http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk || || Lazy DBA || www.lazydba.com || || DBA Village || www.dba-village.com || || UK Oracle Users Group || www.ukoug.co.uk || || K Gopalakrishnan's site || http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish || || http://www.oraclenotes.com/ || || http://www.orafaq.org || || http://www.oracle-dba.com || || http://www.orafans.com || || http://www.oracle-users.com || || http://www.oracleguru.com || || http://www.oramag.com
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Tavo, I don't object to someone listing a link to an authorized copy of the paper on the net, just that they downloaded the paper without permission and posted it on their site Rachel From: Luis DeUrioste [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:55:59 -0800 Authors, and List, I do agree that it is wrong to post papers without permissions etc. etc., but lets not be so harsh. I come from a Third world country (BOLIVIA) where getting up to-date Literature is almost impossible, most all documentation that people work with is obsolete, and this people heavily rely on papers posted somewhere. As far as books you could forget it, the cost of a book here is around $50.oo (101) series that is about 1/3 of their monthly salary. Some of the people that are benefited from this Piracy are college students that one day may become the next GAJA , RACHEL, or KEVIN. Lets remember that the NET's intent was to ease the sharing of information. Please, please lets not be to harsh on the people that post this materials, but lets ask them to give all the credit to the authors and if possible try to get their permission. We are lucky to live in a Country where we can afford to pay for this materials or to pay for conferences etc. other nations are not so lucky. I just had to let it out. Sorry Regardless Friend 4 ever Tavo Gaja Krishna Vaidyanatha wrote: Hi Steve and list, While we are on the subject, I found my RAID paper on multiple sites including this site : http://www.vampired.net/articles/php/concepts.php and I know for a fact that no one has gotten permission from me or IOUG-A, in this regard. Does this not mirror what is done on Marin's site? Gaja --- Steve Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
it's still illegal. Period, end of story. I have no control over what he does with the paper he posts. he could keep name on it and change it completely. A crime is a crime. Period. From: Khedr, Waleed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:59 -0800 As long he is keeping the names of authors on the paper, I do not believe it's a big crime. Regards, Waleed -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Rachel and list, The person responsible for that site is Marin Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]. Almost all the papers there are illegal copies (including one of mine). I once asked Marin to explain himself on the matter. His explanation was that the collection was for his personal use only. At the time, he removed the index to make the collection largely invisible to the rest of the net, but it appears to have come back! It can also be seen at http://harbinger.sirma.bg/Oracle/ and an older version is mirrored at http://www.itsystems.lv/gints/files/oracle/oracle.htm. I have copied Marin (and the person responsible for the mirror site) on this mail. Hopefully they will at least remove the indexes again, but I would prefer the papers to disappear too. Maybe if others add their votes to Rachel's and mine they'll take the stuff down. Bulgaria and Latvia may be immune to international copyright law, but individuals are seldom immune to community disapprobation. @ Regards, @ Steve Adams @ http://www.ixora.com.au/ @ http://www.christianity.net.au/ -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 8 June 2001 3:01 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I hate to be a spoilsport -- but this link (actually the fact that the paper is on his site) bothers me... DBA101: A Refresher Course http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N092_dba.doc Neither Marlene nor I gave permission for this paper (which is copyrighted) to be posted there. Of course, he is not in the US, so the fact that this is illegal doesn't count. For what it's worth: it is only legal in the US to post a link to a legal copy of this sort of information. It is NOT legal to post copyrighted information without the express permission of the copyright holder. Having said that, I would have gladly sent a copy of the paper to anyone who asked or given permission to post it. But I would prefer to be ASKED. And Mark -- www.oracle-users.com now points you to the NY user group web page, as the company (Oracle User Resources) that sponsored it and the ECO conference, does not exist anymore. Rachel From: Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's. Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 06:41:43 -0800 Thanks for your input guys - a great help! I had a few already - namely the Guru's of the list (That reminds me of a film title in a way :) But there were a few I didn't have. Here is my list so far.. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Johnathan Lewis's excellent site http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Lazy DBA www.lazydba.com DBA Village www.dba-village.com UK Oracle Users Group www.ukoug.co.uk K Gopalakrishnan's site http://www.geocities.com/kgkrish http://www.oraclenotes.com/ http://www.orafaq.org http://www.oracle-dba.com http://www.orafans.com http://www.oracle-users.com http://www.oracleguru.com http://www.oramag.com/ http://www.oraperf.com/ http://www.oraxcel.com PAPERS- Oracle Performance and Tuning: Overview http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N014_p%26t_overview.pdf Performance Tuning - Now You are the V8 Expert http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N023_tun_all.doc Identifying Resource Intensive SQL in a production environment - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N026_tuning2.pdf Database Tuning Methodology - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N027_DB_Tune.doc SQL Tuning for the Oracle DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N050_tuning.pdf Practical Tuning Advice for the Oracle8 DBA - http://pillango.sirma.bg/oracle/N064_tuning.pdf Finding
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
This list is by far incomplete, but it is the links i have on my site currently. I have about 50-100 different sites, I only put the ones I most frequently use or like on my site. I am going to go through the rest and finishing adding links as well. I left out some good ones here I know, but my list is currently at home not here as I just cleaning up my machine. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ Biju's Web Site http://www.bijoos.com/oracle/index.htm OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone. I am currently finishing off our company website, and am putting together the links section. This is going to be used to link to COOL resources for Oracle, Sybase -aahem- SQLServer DBAs. I was wondering if any of you have, like me, a list of URLs that you swear by for your needs with Oracle - and of course Sybase and SQLServer (hell and DB2) if you use them. If so would you mind either posting them to the list (I'm sure others would benefit from this) or sending them directly to me? I have my own list of links, but this site is for DBAs at the end of the day, so I thought I would get your input :) Also, are there any HTML/Web experts out there that would mind giving our site the once over when I publish it to the web? I have put a fair bit of work in to it, but feedback is always extremely helpful (the site is for RDBMS tools, but this is not a plug - I'm only interested in design and usage). If so contact me off the list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Mark -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
Just to add http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk for Johnathan Lewis's excellent site Cheers Connor --- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is by far incomplete, but it is the links i have on my site currently. I have about 50-100 different sites, I only put the ones I most frequently use or like on my site. I am going to go through the rest and finishing adding links as well. I left out some good ones here I know, but my list is currently at home not here as I just cleaning up my machine. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ Biju's Web Site http://www.bijoos.com/oracle/index.htm OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone. I am currently finishing off our company website, and am putting together the links section. This is going to be used to link to COOL resources for Oracle, Sybase -aahem- SQLServer DBAs. I was wondering if any of you have, like me, a list of URLs that you swear by for your needs with Oracle - and of course Sybase and SQLServer (hell and DB2) if you use them. If so would you mind either posting them to the list (I'm sure others would benefit from this) or sending them directly to me? I have my own list of links, but this site is for DBAs at the end of the day, so I thought I would get your input :) Also, are there any HTML/Web experts out there that would mind giving our site the once over when I publish it to the web? I have put a fair bit of work in to it, but feedback is always extremely helpful (the site is for RDBMS tools, but this is not a plug - I'm only interested in design and usage). If so contact me off the list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Mark -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: LOT (Little OT): Interesting Oracle related URL's.
That is a great site, I added it to my links as well, been a little slow adding all the right links into my site as well. Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Just to add http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk for Johnathan Lewis's excellent site Cheers Connor --- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is by far incomplete, but it is the links i have on my site currently. I have about 50-100 different sites, I only put the ones I most frequently use or like on my site. I am going to go through the rest and finishing adding links as well. I left out some good ones here I know, but my list is currently at home not here as I just cleaning up my machine. IXOra.com (Steve Adam's Site) http://ixora.com.au/ Oracle Technet http://technet.oracle.com OraPub (Craig Shallahamer's Website) www.orapub.com DBA Support http://www.dbasupport.com/ Thomas Kyte's Website http://osi.oracle.com/~tkyte/ Connor McDonald's Web Site http://www.oracledba.co.uk/ Hotsos (Cary Millsap's Site) www.hotsos.com Jared Still's Website http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/util_master.html Thomas Cox's Website http://www.geocities.com/tbcox23/ Evergreen Database Technologies http://www.evdbt.com/ Biju's Web Site http://www.bijoos.com/oracle/index.htm OraBugFinder http://www.unal-bilisim.com/products/iorabugfinder/iorabugfinder.html Vampire D's Oracle Den (Christopher R. Spence's Site) www.vampired.net Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 7:56 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hello everyone. I am currently finishing off our company website, and am putting together the links section. This is going to be used to link to COOL resources for Oracle, Sybase -aahem- SQLServer DBAs. I was wondering if any of you have, like me, a list of URLs that you swear by for your needs with Oracle - and of course Sybase and SQLServer (hell and DB2) if you use them. If so would you mind either posting them to the list (I'm sure others would benefit from this) or sending them directly to me? I have my own list of links, but this site is for DBAs at the end of the day, so I thought I would get your input :) Also, are there any HTML/Web experts out there that would mind giving our site the once over when I publish it to the web? I have put a fair bit of work in to it, but feedback is always extremely helpful (the site is for RDBMS tools, but this is not a plug - I'm only interested in design and usage). If so contact me off the list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Mark -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
