RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
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Re: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
I think Oracle9i went into GA, on a limited set of platforms, in June 2001. The 9i beta program hadn't even started two years ago. Anyone with two years experience with it was likely on the Oracle development team. The requirement probably came from some HR person who simply adds requires two years experience to anything mentioned in the posting. The recruiters, with their astounding knowledge of the IT industry, simply typed it up and submitted it to the web sites. (That is what those big commissions are for isn't it? ;-) Don Granaman [OraSaurus] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:18 PM i rather suspect you are right Don considering that Oracle 9i was released when ? summer of 2001 ? how can one have 2 years of experience on 9i ? they probably meant to say 2 years of Oracle DBA experience or something to that effect , but have no idea what the hell that means anyway. also , the 9i certification program just started a last fall so unless you are upgrading from a previous certification i doubt anyone has completly finished this process. oh well , were just dba's , what the hell do we know anyway ? Peace ! Mike -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Don Granaman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Lisa, What you said about Atlanta and the New York of the south is correct in my opinion. 12 years ago it was different when I moved here from Conn. The cost of housing has doubled and the cost of the produce has caught the Conn. prices for food staples. Granted the cost of gasoline is cheaper in GA but the cost of utilities far surpasses that of utilities in Conn. $200 a month is normal for gas and electric and you have to look had to find fuel oil being used anyplace. And I only have a 2000 sq ft home on a slab. Next month the electric cost will almost double because of the demand created by the usage of A.C. allows the utilities to raise their rates and we are now deregulated on gas prices for the winter needs. Windows work great in our home but the pollen turns everything a funny yellowish/green hue. In our county the town fathers/bubba have approved 42 housing developments for this year and the infrastructure is not built to handle the extra load. The average size lot is 5/8 of an acre. The school construction is almost matching the housing construction and the taxes are keeping pace too. People are moving out of the Atlanta proper the get away from the traffic and crime. I live 38 miles door to door and it takes 1 1/4 hours to get to and from work. The northern area of Atlanta is nicknamed the silicon valley of the east and you can find a lot of housing in that area that compares with New York in city prices. Million dollar loft townhouses are being built all over the place. Good luck with the increase in your family and the relaxing time off from work. Ron ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/29/02 04:48PM I have been told that Atlanta is the New York of the south. The cost of living in Atlanta is NOT cheap due to the cost of utilities (mostly power) and housing. And don't let anyone tell you that about Florida, either. They will tell you that not paying state tax is like getting a 8% pay raise. Bull. Dade and Broward county are so built up that the cost of housing is skyrocketing, even with yards the size of a half postage stamp. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Lisa - Its all relative, FL may not be as cheap as MN, but it sure is cheaper than NY :-). Never again, would I live in NY, but don't ask my wife (she misses her roots). [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/29/02 04:48PM I have been told that Atlanta is the New York of the south. The cost of living in Atlanta is NOT cheap due to the cost of utilities (mostly power) and housing. And don't let anyone tell you that about Florida, either. They will tell you that not paying state tax is like getting a 8% pay raise. Bull. Dade and Broward county are so built up that the cost of housing is skyrocketing, even with yards the size of a half postage stamp. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Michael - EDS [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Yeah, pass me a sweet tea and a piece of straw to pick my teeth with! There's just as much stress here in the Atlanta area as anywhere else I've ever lived. And, NO, the cost of living is not any lower than anywhere else contrary to what recruiters and hiring managers will tell you. Since the profit margin on groceries is about 2% I suspect we all pay about the same amount unless you shop in a Kwikie Mart. The only bright spot is gasoline costs $1.109 at Kroger! Money is as money does. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oh come on! Things are so much more relaxed in the deep south. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
You've hit the nail on the head there. They're looking for something for nothing. If they get somebody at this price I suspect that the town is near and dear to them. I wonder what the relo is? 2k? -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jenkins, Michael - EDS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Try being the same thing, and being the primary one resposible for the implimentation as well... with an end to end time line of 10 weeks... =) Stress doesn't begin to describe it! -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 4/29/02 1:38 PM This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Oh come on! Things are so much more relaxed in the deep south. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
I don't know...I would think $100,000 in Manhattan you would be sharing a studio apartment with 10 others. Conboy, Jim Jim.Conboy@tTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] rw.com cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina root@fatcity. com 04/29/2002 02:48 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
The only problem with this line of thinking is the federal government. They seem to take out the same amount for federal taxes as well as social security no matter where I live. If this is truly reflective of the cost of living there then I better automatically receive a check just for being a resident (which is actually the case in Alaska). Doubtful at best. Does anybody know if SC is a tax-free state like Texas and Tennessee? I can see using a salary calculator to convince your spouse that it is a good idea to move. Otherwise I don't they relect real life. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Yeah, pass me a sweet tea and a piece of straw to pick my teeth with! There's just as much stress here in the Atlanta area as anywhere else I've ever lived. And, NO, the cost of living is not any lower than anywhere else contrary to what recruiters and hiring managers will tell you. Since the profit margin on groceries is about 2% I suspect we all pay about the same amount unless you shop in a Kwikie Mart. The only bright spot is gasoline costs $1.109 at Kroger! Money is as money does. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oh come on! Things are so much more relaxed in the deep south. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Here in Nova Scotia years ago I worked in a lab where the lab techs (who all had B.Scs in chemistry and organic chemistry) were getting paid less per hour than the factory workers who stuffed pies across the street. The lab techs kept coming to work though, because they didn't want to leave the rural area they were from. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You've hit the nail on the head there. They're looking for something for nothing. If they get somebody at this price I suspect that the town is near and dear to them. I wonder what the relo is? 2k? -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested in the posiition described above- if it is not a match for your skills. Thanks, Bill Law -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: OraStaff INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Freeman, Robert INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jenkins, Michael - EDS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to:
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Robert et:all Have you noticed a trend in the hiring today? The potential employer wants All phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. What happened to the need for a DBA instead of an IT shop in one person? Ron ROR mª¿ªm -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Robert, Sounds like a Catch-22. If you take this job, the frequency of your job changes has increased therefore you can't have this job. They want someone who doesn't change jobs to change jobs. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: Freeman, Robert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Title: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina From: http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20011231.html According to the Federation of Tax Administrators, the following states impose no income tax on state residents: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming. In addition, New Hampshire and Tennessee limit state income tax to dividends and interest income only. In these two states, the bulk of most people's income -- i.e., salary or wages -- goes untaxed. ---Chris -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Michael - EDS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina The only problem with this line of thinking is the federal government. They seem to take out the same amount for federal taxes as well as social security no matter where I live. If this is truly reflective of the cost of living there then I better automatically receive a check just for being a resident (which is actually the case in Alaska). Doubtful at best. Does anybody know if SC is a tax-free state like Texas and Tennessee? I can see using a salary calculator to convince your spouse that it is a good idea to move. Otherwise I don't they relect real life. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think. Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Michael- 'Taint no tax free states, sometimes they just hide it better how they get you (sales tax, property tax, personal property tax, gasoline tax, etc.) Except for maybe Alaska, as long as the oil keeps flowing. But I know what you mean. Anybody who moves based solely on these calculators needs their head examined. But they can in fact provide useful information. $75K in Spartanburg doesn't look to be below-market. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The only problem with this line of thinking is the federal government. They seem to take out the same amount for federal taxes as well as social security no matter where I live. If this is truly reflective of the cost of living there then I better automatically receive a check just for being a resident (which is actually the case in Alaska). Doubtful at best. Does anybody know if SC is a tax-free state like Texas and Tennessee? I can see using a salary calculator to convince your spouse that it is a good idea to move. Otherwise I don't they relect real life. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Conboy, Jim INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
I have been told that Atlanta is the New York of the south. The cost of living in Atlanta is NOT cheap due to the cost of utilities (mostly power) and housing. And don't let anyone tell you that about Florida, either. They will tell you that not paying state tax is like getting a 8% pay raise. Bull. Dade and Broward county are so built up that the cost of housing is skyrocketing, even with yards the size of a half postage stamp. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Michael - EDS [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Yeah, pass me a sweet tea and a piece of straw to pick my teeth with! There's just as much stress here in the Atlanta area as anywhere else I've ever lived. And, NO, the cost of living is not any lower than anywhere else contrary to what recruiters and hiring managers will tell you. Since the profit margin on groceries is about 2% I suspect we all pay about the same amount unless you shop in a Kwikie Mart. The only bright spot is gasoline costs $1.109 at Kroger! Money is as money does. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oh come on! Things are so much more relaxed in the deep south. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
I'm sure it's cheaper than here in Boston! Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have been told that Atlanta is the New York of the south. The cost of living in Atlanta is NOT cheap due to the cost of utilities (mostly power) and housing. And don't let anyone tell you that about Florida, either. They will tell you that not paying state tax is like getting a 8% pay raise. Bull. Dade and Broward county are so built up that the cost of housing is skyrocketing, even with yards the size of a half postage stamp. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 -Original Message- From: Jenkins, Michael - EDS [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Yeah, pass me a sweet tea and a piece of straw to pick my teeth with! There's just as much stress here in the Atlanta area as anywhere else I've ever lived. And, NO, the cost of living is not any lower than anywhere else contrary to what recruiters and hiring managers will tell you. Since the profit margin on groceries is about 2% I suspect we all pay about the same amount unless you shop in a Kwikie Mart. The only bright spot is gasoline costs $1.109 at Kroger! Money is as money does. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oh come on! Things are so much more relaxed in the deep south. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L This job sounds like a nightmare! A one-person show. I can't think of a situation that could possibly be more stressful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Try out the Silicon valley, people! An *old* 3 bedroom townhome will start around 380/400k, with new ones going all the way upto the high 400s. *Not-new* single family homes start around 500s And add the 8% sales tax as well as the State Income tax, and your take home packet looks pretty meek. It was a shock for me, not having paid Rent/Utilities/Income Tax for the last 10 years (5 in the mid-east and 5 in Brunei :) The only bright spot was getting back some tax returns from your friendly IRS! John -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:49 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina I have been told that Atlanta is the New York of the south. The cost of living in Atlanta is NOT cheap due to the cost of utilities (mostly power) and housing. And don't let anyone tell you that about Florida, either. They will tell you that not paying state tax is like getting a 8% pay raise. Bull. Dade and Broward county are so built up that the cost of housing is skyrocketing, even with yards the size of a half postage stamp. Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
Something is horribly wrong with that calculator! From San Francisco or Manhattan to some small town in western Nebraska, salaries for DBAs only vary about 15-30%. These posts from OraStaff always seem to be for low-paying jobs, wanting significant experience in a number of technologies, demanding long tenure, no H1B, no relocation, ad nauseum... Of course, Monster, Dice, et cetera aren't much better. They are dominated by headhunters mindessly spewing out tens of thousands of opportunities each. In my opinion, the only opportunity in the vast majority of them is for the recruiter to make a commission. I saw several recently that absolutely required two years production experience with Oracle9i and Oracle9i certification. Four different recruiters here in town called me about one of these positions - with exactly the same requirements as the web site(s). If that isn't *totally* clueless, then what might be? I tried to explain to them that anyone who said they were qualified should be disqualified - as blatantly dishonest. Don Granaman [OraSaurus] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:48 PM As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing SQL*Plus and Reports 2.5. Experience upgrading to ORACLE 11i is desirable. Will also manage outside contractors/consultants for technical ORACLE projects. -U.S. citizens and candidates from SC or surrounding states preferred. The base salary range depends on experience...range is 65K-75K + bonus For immediate consideration, please send your resume as a Word attachment to: OraStaff, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please use job code: One/Spartanburg/Fin. Sys Admin/David ph: 1-800 -549-8502 All Submissions are handled in confidence. *We pay referral fees. So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be qualified/interested
RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina
i rather suspect you are right Don considering that Oracle 9i was released when ? summer of 2001 ? how can one have 2 years of experience on 9i ? they probably meant to say 2 years of Oracle DBA experience or something to that effect , but have no idea what the hell that means anyway. also , the 9i certification program just started a last fall so unless you are upgrading from a previous certification i doubt anyone has completly finished this process. oh well , were just dba's , what the hell do we know anyway ? Peace ! Mike -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:13 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Something is horribly wrong with that calculator! From San Francisco or Manhattan to some small town in western Nebraska, salaries for DBAs only vary about 15-30%. These posts from OraStaff always seem to be for low-paying jobs, wanting significant experience in a number of technologies, demanding long tenure, no H1B, no relocation, ad nauseum... Of course, Monster, Dice, et cetera aren't much better. They are dominated by headhunters mindessly spewing out tens of thousands of opportunities each. In my opinion, the only opportunity in the vast majority of them is for the recruiter to make a commission. I saw several recently that absolutely required two years production experience with Oracle9i and Oracle9i certification. Four different recruiters here in town called me about one of these positions - with exactly the same requirements as the web site(s). If that isn't *totally* clueless, then what might be? I tried to explain to them that anyone who said they were qualified should be disqualified - as blatantly dishonest. Don Granaman [OraSaurus] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:48 PM As evidence of this, HomeFair.com's salary calculator says a salary of $100,000 in Manhattan is equivalent to $32,000 in Spartanburg. Doubt this is accurate to the penny, but if even close it sounds like $75K has you living like a king (or queen) in Spartanburg. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Geographic region affects pay scale just as much as years of experience, I think.Especially on the extreme ends of the scale such as a small town in a rural region or say Manhattan or San Fransisco. I think it's very difficult to judge pay scales in areas where you haven't been monitoring the job market for a while. It's like comparing apples and oranges because there are too many variables. My two cents. Cherie Machler Oracle DBA Gelco Information Network Minneapolis, Minnesota Freeman, Robert To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert_Freema cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Financials Sys Admin. Needed in South Carolina Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 04/29/02 12:58 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. I'm wondering what frequent means...? Am I the only one that thinks the pay scale is a bit low, with this caveat? To me, the paradigm seems to be the new guys out there change jobs frequently, for better money and experience and then, a bit later on, they find a place that appreciates them for who they are, pays them what they are worth and doesn't want to let them go. Granted, the current economic downturn may have changed that picture a bit... With what they are offering in pay, I'm not sure they will find anyone with any long term experience. What does anyone else think? RF -Original Message- Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Company located in Spartanburg, South Carolina with a small IT shop needs an Oracle Financials System Adminsitrator to join its IT team. Relocation Assistance is provided. PLEASE Do Not send your resume for this position UNLESS you have the qualifications for this position. Please Do Not send your resume unless you have a stable work history. Candidates whose work history includes frequent job changes connot be considered. If you are employed by a consulting company you must have a long term project history. This is a full time staff position so no sub-contractors or third parties please. No H-1B candidates please. Description: The Systems Administrator will be responsible for co-ordinating support of all phases of ORACLE FINANCIALS including system administration, RDBMS tuning, application tuning, DBA/Unix back-up administration, user training, report development utilizing
