RE: Training courses
Rachel, Yes , I worked at JPL in Pasadena California for 8 years and we had all these PHDs running around. Very smart people who could never apply their knowledge and produce work. They would let you know how smart they were though. Since I have not taken every oracle class it was unfair of me to generalize the way I did. Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L heck, anything (presentations, classes, books) are all good or bad depending on the knowledge of the person presenting the information and their ability to teach sometimes the ability to teach is more important than how much they know. I've known really smart people who can't make anyone understand what they know --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alright ... Ill buy that explanation. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
Re: Training courses
If I had that oppurtunity, I would lap up Cary Millsap's Hot clinic to be conducted in NYC around July 9-11. You should be able to get more information from www.hotsos.com. Raj Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] hgrum.comcc: Sent by: Subject: Training courses [EMAIL PROTECTED] June 20, 2002 02:51 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Training courses
I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Training courses
not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Training courses
Peter - Do you have a particular objective in mind? For example, would you like to eventually complete the OCP? The normal progression (using Oracle Education classes as a basis) would be: 1. SQL PL/SQL 2. DBA 3. Advanced topics (check education.oracle.com for descriptions of the other 3 courses) This will help lead to the OCP. With your experience, you may feel that you can skip the SQL and DBA classes. Or not, depending on whether you feel you would like a thorough coverage to make sure you have no gaps. There may be other areas that would be productive, depending on what future projects you have going at work. If you will be moving to Oracle9i soon, you might take a 9i New Features class. We are implementing RMAN, and I found the Backup Recovery class to be very helpful. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Training courses
I agree with Rachel. I had to ditch one class after the 1st day. But I got re-registered for the same class when Scott Gossett taught it. And it was worth it. Trust me. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
RE: Training courses
The Internals classes are not to be missed! I go to user group meetings, attend conferences and hang out on this list to learn these days. Once in a while I take a new features class, but that's rare. Conferences teach me more. Cary is teaching a clinic in NYC in July... I don't think I can get off work (we've got two very high priority projects, both with very short timelines) but I'll try. Steve Adams is planning on teaching a class in NYC in the fall... oh do I want to go to that one too! Rachel --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I concur. I received incorrect information in the beginning DBA classes, but the time spent in the 8i Data Server Internals Seminar with Scott Gossett was incredibly valuable (and I paid for it and the travel to Bethesda myself). For my money, I would rather attend the top notch user group meetings and attend sessions by Craig, Cary, Tim, Gaja. And spend time talking and trading stories with my fellow DBAs. I'd rather learn from those in the trenches. Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
RE: Training courses
alright ... Ill buy that explanation. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET:
RE: Training courses
Dennis, Excellent point! We discussed Oracle training without asking Peter what he wanted to learn! So...Peter, What would you like to learn? If it is advanced Oracle DBA stuff, I'll stand by my recommendation. Otherwise, I will defer to the list on other areas. Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dan, and others It is very useful to see how the top-notch people keep themselves up to speed. But of course, any advice must be suited to the advisee. For example, for some of us a little lower on the food chain, maybe acquiring the OCP might be a first step. Now Peter isn't exactly a novice, but then he didn't mention that he had the OCP, so I'm assuming not. I can see myself in a future job interview (hopefully years from now) being asked why don't you have an OCP?. Of course, working on the OCP myself naturally makes me a convert. Probably the only way to make it through. And while a lot of it is just memorization, there have been a few things I learned from it. Dennis Williams DBA, 20% OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I concur. I received incorrect information in the beginning DBA classes, but the time spent in the 8i Data Server Internals Seminar with Scott Gossett was incredibly valuable (and I paid for it and the travel to Bethesda myself). For my money, I would rather attend the top notch user group meetings and attend sessions by Craig, Cary, Tim, Gaja. And spend time talking and trading stories with my fellow DBAs. I'd rather learn from those in the trenches. Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and
RE: Training courses
heck, anything (presentations, classes, books) are all good or bad depending on the knowledge of the person presenting the information and their ability to teach sometimes the ability to teach is more important than how much they know. I've known really smart people who can't make anyone understand what they know --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alright ... Ill buy that explanation. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?paquette=20stephane?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Johnson, Michael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet
RE: Training courses
I almost never took an Oracle course. Read docs, went to conferences, spoke with (phone) and wrote to (snail mail) other DBAs asking questions, and what-ifs. TRYING things on my own. How do you think the top-notch people got to BE top-notch? I seriously doubt it was from taking Oracle classes but rather from asking themselves questions about how the database worked and then going and TRYING it. People like Gaja, Cary, Mogens, Dan, Anjo live and breath this stuff (okay, not totally but they spend a LOT of their free time on I wonder what would happen if...) to me, THAT is the mark of a master DBA, not Oracle's OCM I've taken the OCP tests to prove that you don't need to either study for them or even to have worked with the version of the database (I passed 8 and 8i without ever having seen a database running them) --- DENNIS WILLIAMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, and others It is very useful to see how the top-notch people keep themselves up to speed. But of course, any advice must be suited to the advisee. For example, for some of us a little lower on the food chain, maybe acquiring the OCP might be a first step. Now Peter isn't exactly a novice, but then he didn't mention that he had the OCP, so I'm assuming not. I can see myself in a future job interview (hopefully years from now) being asked why don't you have an OCP?. Of course, working on the OCP myself naturally makes me a convert. Probably the only way to make it through. And while a lot of it is just memorization, there have been a few things I learned from it. Dennis Williams DBA, 20% OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I concur. I received incorrect information in the beginning DBA classes, but the time spent in the 8i Data Server Internals Seminar with Scott Gossett was incredibly valuable (and I paid for it and the travel to Bethesda myself). For my money, I would rather attend the top notch user group meetings and attend sessions by Craig, Cary, Tim, Gaja. And spend time talking and trading stories with my fellow DBAs. I'd rather learn from those in the trenches. Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L not totally worthless, but the value of the class is directly related to the quality of the instructor. I have had the good fortune to take classes with several of the best of Oracle instructors. I have also had the misfortune to take classes with some of the less best --- Johnson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second these selections below Stay away for the Oracle provided training, It is worthless. fwiw ! Peace and Love Mike -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Check on www.orapub.com or www.hotsos.com --- Schauss, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : My manager has told me that he has budget to send me for a training course of my choice, 4 to 5 days, preferably in the local area (Long Island or NYC). A bit of background on myself: Current position: Oracle DBA, right now, mostly supporting development, including data modeling. 20+ years total experience in software development, system administration (mostly UNIX), Database Administration (including about 8 years work with Oracle 7.0.x to 8.1.7). My DBA work has included both development and production, mostly on small to medium sized databases. Programming languages: C, C++, Java I have gained most of my knowledge of Oracle on the job, from reading documentation and books like Rachel's _DBA 101_, from attending user's group meetings, or from reading this list. What course would you suggest? Thanks, Peter Schauss -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Schauss, Peter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Stéphane Paquette DBA Oracle, consultant entrepôt de données Oracle DBA, datawarehouse consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Do You
