Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Well, they did not come straight out and say we invented the grid. They did say we can help you to use and manage grid computers and our software can use the grid. They will have software to add/remove computers from a grid, clone computers, propagate changes etc. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:39 PM I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego,
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I know, I know, it's a bit of a stretch, but I think the idea's the same -- subsets of work divided between multiple machines. It's just that distcc is implemented at a much higher level than what's probably considered grid. The benefit is that it's much easier to implement. The downside is that it's usefulness is much more limited. But in this case, I think it works well, at least according to my co-workers who use it. Perhaps grid-wise Matt would care to comment? Gridfullessnessly yours, Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Jared Still [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Rich, That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. GC essentially makes a network look like one great big box, with the cross platform functionality included. In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: The network is the computer. :) Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely the first to get the concept in print. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:39 PM Rich, That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. GC essentially makes a network look like one great big box, with the cross platform functionality included. In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: The network is the computer. :) Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely the first to get the concept in print. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing. Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: AK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I don't know... It's definitely an interesting concept though, isn't it? Check this out: http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=1560024 2 -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:39 PM Rich, That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. GC essentially makes a network look like one great big box, with the cross platform functionality included. In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: The network is the computer. :) Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely the first to get the concept in print. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: AK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Cunningham, Gerald INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Title: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle confirmed at the road show event I went to yesterday that "pricing will not change". Let's see how many people are happy to buy 100's of EE CPU licences :-) And my favourite bit? The new OEM is all singing, all dancing ... but must be hosted by 10gAS. (Though that's probably the case with EM under 9i .. just don't use it often enough to know). Ciao Fuzzy :-) --The contents of this post are my opinions only If swallowed seek medical advice -Original Message-From: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2003 03:00To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Oracle will probably think so with their per CPU pricing. Jerry Whittle ASIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 -Original Message- From: AK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S Does it mean that a network with 100 computers of 1 cpu each is almost equivalent to 100 cpu giant computer ?? -ak
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
And if your nose is raw from having nothing better to do with your time, (Remember: You can pick your friends; and you can pick your nose; but you cannot pick your friend's nose.) you can tune in to some of Sun's marketing on the subject. (from a Sun e-mail) Whatever your business, it makes good economic sense to use the IT infrastructure you've already got to raise productivity, maintain availability, and minimize downtime. Learn how and why customers are deploying over 7,000 Sun Grids, from local clusters to global solutions. REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITy041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF TITLE: Grid Computing: Put All of Your IT Infrastructure to Work DATE: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TIME: 9-10am PT/12-1pm ET AGENDA -Joerg Schwarz, Senior Group Manager, Science Engineering, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -David Simmons, Manager, Grid Solutions, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -Dr. Steven Newhouse, Technical Director, London e-Science Centre, Imperial College REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITx041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF Unable to attend? Register for the replay information, Sun will send you information on how to view the event archive at your convenience. Thank You, Sun Microsystems -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
The way things are happening now, I have a feeling that we might soon witness the total eclipse of the SUN and that the darkness will rule. One browser to rule them all, one browser to find them One browser to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the land of Redmond where the shadows lay. On 10/27/2003 12:19:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if your nose is raw from having nothing better to do with your time, (Remember: You can pick your friends; and you can pick your nose; but you cannot pick your friend's nose.) you can tune in to some of Sun's marketing on the subject. (from a Sun e-mail) Whatever your business, it makes good economic sense to use the IT infrastructure you've already got to raise productivity, maintain availability, and minimize downtime. Learn how and why customers are deploying over 7,000 Sun Grids, from local clusters to global solutions. REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITy041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF TITLE: Grid Computing: Put All of Your IT Infrastructure to Work DATE: Tuesday, November 4, 2003 TIME: 9-10am PT/12-1pm ET AGENDA -Joerg Schwarz, Senior Group Manager, Science Engineering, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -David Simmons, Manager, Grid Solutions, Sun Microsystems, Inc. -Dr. Steven Newhouse, Technical Director, London e-Science Centre, Imperial College REGISTER TODAY! http://see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=70041$EQ47ezI0120003ITx041$EQ0mSCYaSCzF Unable to attend? Register for the replay information, Sun will send you information on how to view the event archive at your convenience. Thank You, Sun Microsystems -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Other companies are in the mix, also... Check out: http://www.savantis.com/product/ -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
From a first glance, that seems like a pile of wasted money. Knowing Savantis you'd be better off with RAC. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Other companies are in the mix, also... Check out: http://www.savantis.com/product/ -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, it is marketing hype from Oracle's perspective but the Linux supercomputing stuff is a reality and grid is not too far from that conceptually. I supose one of these days, say around, Oracle 15X, they may actually get it all down. The show and tell I went too talked about bundled clustering software, automagic storage management, automagic sql tuning, automagic automagic. I suspect it will take a few releases to get all that stuff working lickety split and sort of bug free. Allan -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Well said. It I believe is a HYPE and NOT a paradigm shift. Heck, look at from a marketing perspective. If we can't sell you a few high priced computers maybe we can sell you a lot of cheap computers with high priced, grid enabled (Namely higher priced), software. End result, more money in our bank and less in yours. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would imagine that the perspectice of grid computing offered at OOW would be somewhat Oracle centric. Grid computing does not require Oracle - it is, here comes an overused buzzword, a paradigm shift. There, I've said it. I think this is the first time I've ever used that term, and it may have even been properly used. That said, grid computing is the latest hype cycle, and time will tell if there's anything to it. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 00:59, Yechiel Adar wrote: Hello Tom From my limited understanding in OOW in Paris, the Grid is a BIG RAC, with options to add or remove servers as you go along. It can be used for web servers, applications servers, database servers etc. There is a lot more in 10g that can help you manage also separated databases. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:54 PM If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Haven't you ever heard of things like modular programming, object oriented approach, divide and conquer and alike? What in the Wall's name are you doing when you need a distributed compiler? Linux kernel compiles on my box in 10 minutes, modules need another 10 and I'm good to go. On 10/27/2003 01:09:25 PM, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Kernel schmernel, KDE takes something like 18 hours to compile (and I think KDE sucks -- Enlightenment all the way!). Knock that down by two-thirds or a half with a couple of more boxes with a 'net connection. Building an A/V Gentoo box takes many days. Damn tight when you're done, but it takes a while. distcc would definitely help. That being said, I haven't used distcc yet. I've been spending my time figuring out the ATAPI crap under 2.4 (I've been told that 2.6 cleans it up) and kernel patches to sync a Treo with USB. I don't need to add another variable into the list by grid'ing with co-workers boxes who may be running different versions of stuff. :) Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Haven't you ever heard of things like modular programming, object oriented approach, divide and conquer and alike? What in the Wall's name are you doing when you need a distributed compiler? Linux kernel compiles on my box in 10 minutes, modules need another 10 and I'm good to go. On 10/27/2003 01:09:25 PM, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Rich, That really isn't 'grid', but I think you know that. GC essentially makes a network look like one great big box, with the cross platform functionality included. In the immortal words of Scott McNeally: The network is the computer. :) Don't know if he said if first. John Brunner was likely the first to get the concept in print. Jared On Mon, 2003-10-27 at 10:09, Jesse, Rich wrote: Some of us here at work have been using grid computing to compile programs... http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml Standard disclaimers apply (e.g. all machines must have same versions of copmiler, same architecture, etc. to avoid problems). Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dick, Jared If you look at the big picture, 20 years ago the idea of a PC with the throughput of a mainframe was laughable. Not so laughable today. Large systems use many of the same components as PCs. Whether this means the grid is more than hype remains to be seen. But I suspect Larry would prefer you spent your money on Oracle licensing instead of hardware. And this may be an area where Oracle can keep ahead of the open-source folks. Dennis Williams -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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First feedback is that it is not rac but a step up.. brian -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:34 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle. There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www. Simply google for it and you will be inundated. Jared "Mercadante, Thomas F" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/2003 05:54 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly OracleParallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example ofOracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like*doing this.Tom MercadanteOracle Certified Professional-Original Message-Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LActually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework isthat you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across theenterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, youwould have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, youcould share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid.Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financialrequirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think moreabout the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank YouStephen P. KarniotisTechnical Alliance ManagerCompuware CorporationDirect: (313) 227-4350Mobile: (248) 408-2918Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message-Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LBut that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids,don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off.Tom MercadanteOracle Certified Professional-Original Message-Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LI think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid areattached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable?Dennis WilliamsDBALifetouch, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LFor database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handledby CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairlyrecent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matchingparticle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the otherparticle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the gridbecomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matchingparticles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved.Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall thatLarry is God.-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Stephen LeeINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMSINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: Mercadante, Thomas FINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051
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If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051
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Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an i or a g to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an i or a g to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com
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the big question is how useful will it be in 10g. Will anyone want to use it? I think I saw a post somewhere that says wait until oracle version 12 before anyone uses it. From: Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/20 Mon AM 10:44:25 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an i or a g to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I have the impression that Oracle has a grid running from Texas somewhere, that they used it to test 10g, and that they also are using w.r.t the Collaboration Suite. In their case, if they can allocate resources like people used to be able to allocate disk from an NAS to servers that require it, as they require it, then I can see the benefit for large centers. can the grid span multiple racks? Can Oracle RAC rely on as many racks as 10g? Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an i or a g to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Tom Your perception is correct. Think about grid in very simple terms as a collection of database servers (clearly there's more to it than that, but for the point I'm trying to make this makes it easier to understand), and you'll quickly see that a RAC database can be part of that BUT so can other databases. Hence grid is bigger than just RAC. A grid environment can include multiple databases, some of which may be RAC'ed and others may not. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Mercadante, Thomas F Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dennis, I guess this is the crux of my question. My impression was that it was *not* just another implementation/release of OPS/RAC, that it was indeed something brand new. I guess I need to wait and see what it actually does. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tom I would suspect that you are correct. I suppose we won't know until the 10g manuals are released. I do understand that parallel server was pretty much rewritten to create RAC. However, I would argue that what you see as an irritation is part of Oracle's marketing success. By changing the name of a feature, one can subtly change how it is perceived. How much does it cost to add an i or a g to a product's name? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
From what little I know about it, I would say that RAC is simply a piece of the Grid enabling infrastructure. Grid computing is much larger than just Oracle. There is no dearth of grid computing literature available on the www. Simply google for it and you will be inundated. Jared Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/20/2003 05:54 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? If this is true, then what is the difference between RAC (formerly Oracle Parallel Server) and Grid computing? Is this just another fine example of Oracle taking an existing product and renaming it yet again? they *like* doing this. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Ah. now I understand. It involves Quantum Physics. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Had to chime in here. Carly Fiorina put this in simple terms. Grid implementations for most organizations is a 5-9 year plan and must be started and well thought out BEFORE you do the work. Larry is assuming that you just change over and all is well. Larry forgot to mention the capital investments required for Grid. 10g does have MANY new features, however, only a small amount of the organizations will leverage them. And for reference, any organization that played with 10g's grid/rac implementations has had SIGNIFICANT support from Oracle. IOW: don't do this alone I have submitted a paper discussing Grid, its requirements, etc. for IOUG Live! 2004. Let's see if this gets approved. If so, is should shed some light on the reality of the Grid Kool-AID Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients (not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group in Oracle Consulting has worked with, but I won't name them because I'm not sure if they're referenceable. I think one thing that a lot of people are missing around the 10g message is that an important part of any grid technology is self management capabilities (autonomics in grid terms). 10g makes huge strides in the manageability area, and that's useful to ANY Oracle customer, not just those who are looking at the grid side. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Bingo! That's how we will make Larry the richest man in the World... - Kirti --- Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Actually Dennis is quite correct. Part of the architectural framework is that you treat disk like a service. All disk storage is sharable across the enterprise grid you configure. If you have multiple grids in place, you would have multiple disk architecture frameworks in place. Alternately, you could share the disk architectures to create a common, scalable grid. Unfortunately, Oracle has been very lax in discussing the financial requirements for the grid. Forget Oracle pricing folks -- think more about the cost to reconfigure your entire data center. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (313) 227-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Karniotis, Stephen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Think really, really, really fast network. Check out http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html Henry -Original Message- Mercadante, Thomas F Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L But that would require Oracle software to be installed on all the grids, don't you think? I'm really curious how they are going to pull this off. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Henry Poras INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that asked the same question. - As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it being useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers can be used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to apps as needed. It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to effectively administer and monitor this aren't available yet. I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin buying computing power from a utility computing company on an as needed basis, much as they do electricity. The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is really overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford to purchase and maintain it. 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I thought that they might ask for billions to help neutralize Microsoft's weapons of mass deception. Such is the reputation of the place, I guess. On 10/16/2003 11:04:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/gDefinition/0,294236,sid7_gci770169,0 0.html Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Blade servers are computers designed to hunt vampires. -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Odland, Brad INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
1 or 2 CPU's on a card with a hard drive and an ethernet port or two connected to a very high speed backplane. They hot-plug into a card cage, or chassis if you prefer. They put a lot of cpu's into a relatively small space. Allan -Original Message- [mailto:Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ This email is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Copying, forwarding or distributing this message by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. This email may have been monitored for policy compliance. [021216] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nelson, Allan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Ain't necessarily so. We already have some customers using grid technology with 9iR2 and 9iAS, along with the toolkit that's available on OTN (whose name escapes me at the moment). These are very high end business clients (not government or academia) that the Advanced Technology Solutions group in Oracle Consulting has worked with, but I won't name them because I'm not sure if they're referenceable. I think one thing that a lot of people are missing around the 10g message is that an important part of any grid technology is self management capabilities (autonomics in grid terms). 10g makes huge strides in the manageability area, and that's useful to ANY Oracle customer, not just those who are looking at the grid side. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid computing is not like Oracle Failover. It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has *not* been installed on these machines. You have a database running on another machine. As load increases, Oracle will spawn off work onto the other free servers somehow. How the data gets there, and everything works is a mystery to me. But this is what was said by an Oracle technical rep. So it sounds like a true electical power grid, where a server can draw upon other capability as it needs it, and then releases it as it doesn't need it. Sounds awesome if it's true and if it works. Please please please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I can take the body-blows. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
We had Sun's N1 architect here a few months ago to brief us on N1. ( grid) In a nutshell, all of your servers go in a pool, the administrative software doles out the resources as needed, simple as that. Of course, it is not that simple. Very interesting stuff, though I think the current buzz about 'utility computing' based on the grid will be just as successful as ASP was supposed to be. Should be very interesting in large organizations. Mr. Strong acknowledged that this is still vaporware - not really to alpha stage yet. Jared Mercadante, Thomas F [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2003 11:14 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? I think it's more than that. I've got a meeting with the Oracle folks tomorrow for an overview of other stuff, but he did mention that grid computing is not like Oracle Failover. It's more like you have a group of servers at your disposal. Oracle has *not* been installed on these machines. You have a database running on another machine. As load increases, Oracle will spawn off work onto the other free servers somehow. How the data gets there, and everything works is a mystery to me. But this is what was said by an Oracle technical rep. So it sounds like a true electical power grid, where a server can draw upon other capability as it needs it, and then releases it as it doesn't need it. Sounds awesome if it's true and if it works. Please please please somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I can take the body-blows. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L im not 100% certain. I believe has to do with using 'of the shelf parts' to slap together your own servers instead of paying for expensive ones. You set them up as a 'grid' like structure, so if one CPU fails you can failover to others. I think thats what it is... From: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:40 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | | | | | | | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM| | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | | | |-+ --- ---| | | |To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |cc: | |Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ:
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic cartoon :) - Kirti --- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that asked the same question. - As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it being useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers can be used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to apps as needed. It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to effectively administer and monitor this aren't available yet. I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin buying computing power from a utility computing company on an as needed basis, much as they do electricity. The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is really overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford to purchase and maintain it. 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
The grid is presently at version 1.0, and like any 1.0 release is fraught with problems. One doesn't just install the grid, but installs several packages which have interdependencies to the extent that upgrading one will almost certainly cause failures somewhere else. I digress... A developer wanted to use a materialized view for data aggregation. I explained what he needed had to be done on the database containing the data to be summarized, that he would need to have a count of the records as part of the aggregation, and added that the wind must be due west at a steady 10 knots, and there must be exactly five clouds visible in the sky. This has become known here as the five-cloud rule. The grid today is very much governed by the five-cloud rule. However, like anything new technology with proper effort it will improve. Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Current issue of ComputerWorld has an article on Grid, but I enjoyed the fantastic cartoon :) - Kirti --- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a recently curmudgeonly reply to a friend that asked the same question. - As for 10g itself: the 'g' stands for 'grid' as you probably know. The 'grid' is really the infrastructure for 'utility computing', the latest plot to make IT folks obsolete. Personally I see it being useful in large organizations where large numbers of servers can be used in a grid, and computing power being doled out to apps as needed. It's still very much vaporware, as the tools to effectively administer and monitor this aren't available yet. I don't agree with the prognostications that businesses will begin buying computing power from a utility computing company on an as needed basis, much as they do electricity. The whole 'utility' part of the moniker is a pretty poor analogy IMO. Oracle's last big push was RAC. Reading the news makes it pretty obvious why they're pushing it: revenue is down, few new customers, gotta sell new stuff to existing ones. The hype for RAC was/is really overblown, not many people actually need it, nor can afford to purchase and maintain it. 10g will help Larry run in the America's Cup again. :) On Thu, 2003-10-16 at 08:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Kirtikumar Deshpande INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: MacGregor, Ian A. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
Low end servers, usually running Linux, 1 or 2 CPU's, 2 Gb of memory, that can easily be racked (or even RAC'ed). Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA -Original Message- Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What are blade servers? Could the listers please shed some light on it thanks, Murali. |-+ | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | | | | Sent by: | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | .com | | || | || | | 10/16/2003 11:04 | | | AM | | | Please respond to| | | ORACLE-L | | || |-+ --- ---| | | | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'? | --- ---| I was at the Wash DC Oracle conference yesterday and the key note address was about the future direction of Oracle. It was pretty positive about Grid technology and blade servers. Anyone out there have any opinions? It seems like this technology is probably several years away from being used in the business and government contracting world. Most places you see it are in academia. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: Murali_Pavuloori/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: anyone have opinions on the future of the 'grid'?
So, what exactly is the difference between a grid and RAC/OPS? The associations that I get when somebody mentions the word grid are I-95 in Norwalk/Stamford area around 8:30 AM or LIE at the approximately the same time. That can be used to demonstrate gridlock computing. On 10/16/2003 06:29:33 PM, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: I think the assumption must be that all the computers on the grid are attached to a SAN. Does that seem reasonable? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L For database type stuff, one must wonder how the data itself can be handled by CPU resources scattered hither and yon. The answer comes from the fairly recent knowledge that, in our universe, every particle has a matching particle; and changing one of the particles results in a change in the other particle. Well, the solution to trying to shove data all over the grid becomes obvious: One need only establish central management of the matching particles that make up the CPU and memory of all the computers involved. Initially, this would seem to be a daunting task ... until we recall that Larry is God. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephen Lee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
