subject:"Re\: decrease initial extent"

RE: decrease initial extent

2003-12-04 Thread Adams, Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130)

Title: RE: decrease initial extent





Mladen,


Keep reading, it's further down.



From the 8.1.7 SQL Reference Manual, under the ALTER TABLE entry
(top of page 8-36):


"If you specify KEEP, then the specified amount of space is kept
and the remaining space is freed. When the remaining
number of extents is less than MINEXTENTS, then
MINEXTENTS is adjusted to the new number of extents. If the
initial extent becomes smaller than INITIAL, then INITIAL
is adjusted to the new size."





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-Original Message-
From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: decrease initial extent



I don't understand. Here is what manual says:


deallocate_unused_clause


Use the deallocate_unused_clause to explicitly deallocate unused space at the end of the table,
partition or subpartition, overflow data segment, LOB data segment, or LOB index and make the 
space available for other segments in the tablespace.


It's not supposed to change the characteristics of the initial extent. Funny. I'll test it
at home.



On 12/03/2003 04:44:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Since I agreed with Mladen that it wouldn't work, I just had to test this.
>  
> On 8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep # " shrinks the initial
> extent.
> It shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why it chose 8k.
> (db_block_size=4k, default initial_extent for the tablespace=64k)
>  
> I assume it would work on SYS tables as well.
> (No sacrificial database that I'm willing to try it on.)
>  
> Nelson
> 
> -Original Message-
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> If you use "keep " it will. 
> 
> Alex. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM 
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> 
> 
> That will not do anything for the initial extent. 
> You may try with 
> 
> alter table  pray intensely for the desired change; 
> 
> 
> On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > alter table  deallocate unused keep 1; 
> > 
> > Alex. 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM 
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> > 
> > 
> > Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. 
> > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate 
> > it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field 
> > so I can not do alter table move. 
> > 
> > Yechiel Adar 
> > Mehish 
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-04 Thread Yechiel Adar

Title: RE: decrease initial extent



You are right, but:
In 8.1.6 doc the line next to the KEEP parameter 
say:
KEEP: specify the number of bytes above the high water 
mark the table will have after deallocation. 
This let me to believe the deallocate will not shrink the 
first extent.
 
The text you found is in sub paragraph 3 under 
it.
 
Yechiel AdarMehish

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Adams, 
  Matthew (GECP, MABG, 088130) 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:04 
  PM
  Subject: RE: decrease initial 
extent
  
  Mladen, 
  Keep reading, it's further down. 
  From the 8.1.7 SQL Reference Manual, under the ALTER TABLE 
  entry (top of page 8-36): 
  "If you specify KEEP, then the specified amount of space is 
  kept and the remaining space is freed. When the 
  remaining number of extents is less than MINEXTENTS, 
  then MINEXTENTS is adjusted to the new number of 
  extents. If the initial extent becomes smaller than 
  INITIAL, then INITIAL is adjusted to the new 
  size." 
   Matt Adams - GE Appliances - 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] Their fundamental design flaws 
  are completely hidden by their superficial design 
  flaws.   - Douglas 
  Adams 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 5:19 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: decrease initial extent 
  I don't understand. Here is what manual says: 
  deallocate_unused_clause 
  Use the deallocate_unused_clause to explicitly deallocate 
  unused space at the end of the table, partition or 
  subpartition, overflow data segment, LOB data segment, or LOB index and make 
  the space available for other segments in the 
  tablespace. 
  It's not supposed to change the characteristics of the initial 
  extent. Funny. I'll test it at home. 
  On 12/03/2003 04:44:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: > Since I agreed with Mladen that it 
  wouldn't work, I just had to test this. >  
  > On 8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep 
  # " shrinks the initial > extent. > It shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why 
  it chose 8k. > (db_block_size=4k, default 
  initial_extent for the tablespace=64k) >  
  > I assume it would work on SYS tables as 
  well. > (No sacrificial database that I'm willing 
  to try it on.) >  > 
  Nelson > > -Original 
  Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:09 PM 
  > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  > > > > If you use "keep " it 
  will. > > Alex. 
  > > > -Original Message- > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] 
  > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM 
  > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  > > > That will not do anything for the initial extent. > You may try with > > alter table  pray intensely for the desired change; 
  > > > On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: > > alter table  
  deallocate unused keep 1; > > > > Alex. > > > > > > -Original Message- 
  > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM 
  > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  > > > > 
  > > Is there any way to decrease the initial 
  extent allocated to a table. > > It is one of 
  the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate > > it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has 
  long field > > so I can not do alter table move. 
  > > > > Yechiel 
  Adar > > Mehish > 
  > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L 
  FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > <http://www.orafaq.net>  
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-04 Thread Yechiel Adar

Thanks to all who replied.

Alter table/index deallocate keep 64k worked like a charm.
I did not checked it in depth but I think that it keep 64k from the actual
end of the data, not the high water mark.

When I read the manual about keep nk I was sure that it means above the high
water mark.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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> I don't understand. Here is what manual says:
>
> deallocate_unused_clause
>
> Use the deallocate_unused_clause to explicitly deallocate unused space at
the end of the table,
> partition or subpartition, overflow data segment, LOB data segment, or LOB
index and make the
> space available for other segments in the tablespace.
>
> It's not supposed to change the characteristics of the initial extent.
Funny. I'll test it
> at home.
>
>
> On 12/03/2003 04:44:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Since I agreed with Mladen that it wouldn't work, I just had to test
this.
> >
> > On 8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep # " shrinks the
initial
> > extent.
> > It shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why it chose 8k.
> > (db_block_size=4k, default initial_extent for the tablespace=64k)
> >
> > I assume it would work on SYS tables as well.
> > (No sacrificial database that I'm willing to try it on.)
> >
> > Nelson
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:09 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > If you use "keep " it will.
> >
> > Alex.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >  ]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > That will not do anything for the initial extent.
> > You may try with
> >
> > alter table  pray intensely for the desired change;
> >
> >
> > On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > alter table  deallocate unused keep 1;
> > >
> > > Alex.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table.
> > > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate
> > > it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field
> > > so I can not do alter table move.
> > >
> > > Yechiel Adar
> > > Mehish
> > > --
> > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> > 
> > > --
> > > Author: Yechiel Adar
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Mladen Gogala

I don't understand. Here is what manual says:

deallocate_unused_clause

Use the deallocate_unused_clause to explicitly deallocate unused space at the end of 
the table,
partition or subpartition, overflow data segment, LOB data segment, or LOB index and 
make the 
space available for other segments in the tablespace.

It's not supposed to change the characteristics of the initial extent. Funny. I'll 
test it
at home.


On 12/03/2003 04:44:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Since I agreed with Mladen that it wouldn't work, I just had to test this.
>  
> On 8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep # " shrinks the initial
> extent.
> It shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why it chose 8k.
> (db_block_size=4k, default initial_extent for the tablespace=64k)
>  
> I assume it would work on SYS tables as well.
> (No sacrificial database that I'm willing to try it on.)
>  
> Nelson
> 
> -Original Message-
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 4:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> 
> If you use "keep " it will. 
> 
> Alex. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
>  ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM 
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> 
> 
> That will not do anything for the initial extent. 
> You may try with 
> 
> alter table  pray intensely for the desired change; 
> 
> 
> On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > alter table  deallocate unused keep 1; 
> > 
> > Alex. 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM 
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
> > 
> > 
> > Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. 
> > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate 
> > it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field 
> > so I can not do alter table move. 
> > 
> > Yechiel Adar 
> > Mehish 
> > -- 
> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
>   
> > -- 
> > Author: Yechiel Adar 
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Daniel Fink



For tables/indexes, the minimum initial extent size is 2 blocks (8k = 2*
4k). Block 0 contains the segment header, block 1 contains the data/index
entries.
Daniel Fink
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since
I agreed with Mladen that it wouldn't work, I just had to test this.On
8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep # " shrinks the initial
extent.It
shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why it chose
8k.(db_block_size=4k,
default initial_extent for
the tablespace=64k)I
assume it would work on SYS tables as well.(No
sacrificial database that I'm willing to try it on.)Nelson

RE: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread nelson . petersen

Title: RE: decrease initial extent



Since 
I agreed with Mladen that it wouldn't work, I just had to test 
this.
 
On 
8.1.7.3 on OpenVMS the "deallocate unused keep # "  shrinks the initial 
extent.
It 
shrank a test table from  1m to 8k.  I'm not sure why it chose 
8k.
(db_block_size=4k, default initial_extent 
for the tablespace=64k)
 
I 
assume it would work on SYS tables as well.
(No 
sacrificial database that I'm willing to try it on.)
 
Nelson

  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 
  03, 2003 4:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-LSubject: RE: decrease initial extent
  If you use "keep " it will. 
  Alex. 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: decrease initial extent 
  That will not do anything for the initial extent. 
  You may try with 
  alter table  pray intensely for the desired 
  change; 
  On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: > alter table  deallocate 
  unused keep 1; > > 
  Alex. > > 
  > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Is there 
  any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and 
  recreate > it. I can not export/import as it appear 
  in noexp$. It has long field > so I can not do 
  alter table move. > > 
  Yechiel Adar > Mehish > 
  -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net 
  > -- > Author: Yechiel 
  Adar >   INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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RE: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Alexander . Feinstein

Title: RE: decrease initial extent

If you use "keep " it will.

Alex.

-Original Message-
From: Mladen Gogala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re: decrease initial extent

That will not do anything for the initial extent.
You may try with 

alter table  pray intensely for the desired change;

On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> alter table  deallocate unused keep 1;
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. 
> It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate 
> it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field 
> so I can not do alter table move.
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
> --
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> -- 
> Author: Yechiel Adar
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Mladen Gogala

That will not do anything for the initial extent.
You may try with 

alter table  pray intensely for the desired change;

On 12/03/2003 03:34:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> alter table  deallocate unused keep 1;
> 
> Alex.
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> Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. It is
> one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate it. I can
> not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field so I can not do
> alter table move.
> 
> Yechiel Adar
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Tanel Poder

Title: RE: decrease initial extent



Just for note, 10g has alter table shrink opportunity 
:)
 
Tanel.
 

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  alter table  deallocate unused keep 1; 
  
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  it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field so I can 
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RE: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Alexander . Feinstein

Title: RE: decrease initial extent





alter table  deallocate unused keep 1;


Alex.



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Subject: decrease initial extent



Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table. It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate it. I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$. It has long field so I can not do alter table move.

Yechiel Adar
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Mladen Gogala

Yechiel, I thought that the mantra of oracle sales people was 
"disks are cheap", which i very correct, especially when they
don't pay for the disks from their own pockets. What is measly
130M today? My son stores music in GB, not MB. Surely, you 
company can afford an iPod sized disk?

On 12/03/2003 02:39:24 PM, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> Thank you.
> OK. Another 130MB down the drain.
> 
> Yechiel Adar
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> > You can move it after you convert the long field to LOB. As it is one
> > of the system tables which appears in noexp$, it's not guaranteed that
> > your database will work afterward. OK, let me restate it: it's guaranteed
> > that it will not work. Other then that, it's only exp/imp of the full
> > database, and after editing sql.bsq (not for fainthearted)
> >
> > On 12/03/2003 01:09:28 PM, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> > > Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table.
> > > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate
> it.
> > > I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$.
> > > It has long field so I can not do alter table move.
> > >
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Yechiel Adar

Thank you.
OK. Another 130MB down the drain.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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> You can move it after you convert the long field to LOB. As it is one
> of the system tables which appears in noexp$, it's not guaranteed that
> your database will work afterward. OK, let me restate it: it's guaranteed
> that it will not work. Other then that, it's only exp/imp of the full
> database, and after editing sql.bsq (not for fainthearted)
>
> On 12/03/2003 01:09:28 PM, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> > Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table.
> > It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate
it.
> > I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$.
> > It has long field so I can not do alter table move.
> >
> > Yechiel Adar
> > Mehish
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Re: decrease initial extent

2003-12-03 Thread Mladen Gogala

You can move it after you convert the long field to LOB. As it is one
of the system tables which appears in noexp$, it's not guaranteed that
your database will work afterward. OK, let me restate it: it's guaranteed
that it will not work. Other then that, it's only exp/imp of the full
database, and after editing sql.bsq (not for fainthearted)

On 12/03/2003 01:09:28 PM, Yechiel Adar wrote:
> Is there any way to decrease the initial extent allocated to a table.
> It is one of the system tables, so I do not want to drop and recreate it.
> I can not export/import as it appear in noexp$.
> It has long field so I can not do alter table move.
> 
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
> -- 
> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net
> -- 
> Author: Yechiel Adar
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