[OGD] RE: cuitlauzinia
I have a dozen or so plants, also have seen lot of them in the wild. Some plants are indeed subjected to intense drying in spring, nevertheless the majority have morning moisture and ocasional rain in winter/spring. They grow with Oncidium reichenheimii, epidendrum parkinsonianum, etc. In cultivation some of them are reluctant to flower until strong leads are formed. Never have problems with bud blasting, but I accept that my RH at that time of the year is below 40% (Mexico City). I water them two times a week in spring, but they usually dry by noon. Summer and autum they are exposed to rain. All are mounted. Hope this helps Jorge Melendez Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:42:51 -0700 From: Peter Tobias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] Re: Cuitlazinia pendula Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Reply-To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message: 11 C. pendula in my backyard (coastal southern CA) gets regular watering all year round and blooms dependably every year. Where I have seen it in Mexico, there does seem to be a dryer season early in the year, say for 2-3 months before easter, but totally dry is not the case. The wild plants do get somewhat dehydrated. However, while this may be something the plants can tolerate, I see no reason to think it is what they prefer. Peter S. Tobias Encinitas, CA -- ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids End of Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 421 *** _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re;Vol6-420-message-8-orchids in the wild conservation
With reference to george Cleveland's query ("Is there any group that is
working towards this goal?")
about people trying to conserve wild orchid habitats, may I suggest that
http://www.riotrust.org is a website worth a visit. Like many valid
conservation activities, this small organisation (The Rio-Atlantic Forest
Trust - RAFT) is involved in trying to acquire and preserve a vestige of a
once very extensive species-rich orchid-related habitat against great odds.
Not only is RAFT actively conserving, but through a programme of educational
activities including field studies in the area for both professionals and
non-professionals with specialist or generalist interests, they are trying to
spread knowledge, interest and enthusiasm as widely as possible.
I am 'Newletter' editor of Cheshire and North Wales Orchid Society (CANWOS)
UK, a society proud to have been supportive of RAFT and that is fortunate to
have one if its close associates as a member. Others of CANWOS have visited
the location and returned with mouth-watering tales of their experiences.
Forgive me if this sounds like a 'commercial' but if members of this forum
were unaware of RAFT then I have no conscience at all about sounding a small
trumpet for them!
John Stanley
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[OGD] RE: Bert's attitude
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding Kathy Barrett's assertion that import authorities in Miami are lax, what is the evidence? Bert - On the Face of it: Norris and Arias were sucessful in their crime BECAUSE THE PORT OF MIAMI WAS LAX IN PERFORMING INSPECTIONS. It says so in their guilty pleas. FULL STOP. Everything else Bert says is his opinion only. I've already written my congressman asking for a full investigation of the Port of Miami. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Norris
I guess I know as much about all this as anyone and I can tell you that George (nor Manuel) had anything to do with Kovachii...And believe you me I know plenty about that too...To tell the truth George was screwed all the way down the line. SOMEONE sent him an Email offering Kovachii..Carnivore...the Patriot Act snoop on the internet..caught the name and used a partial piece of what they got to get a search warrant..never showing the last page where by George turned down the offer (As did a lot of us) They searched his house and took away his computer and ten boxes of orders etc. From that they found incriminating info as to changing plant names to get through the Ag insp. The bit about Florida was just incidental...Houston is hell no matter what...Manuel skipped using names to get out on bail..None of them was guilty (at least then) of anything..but he needed to be sprung to flee. George then was left hanging..The hope was to reduce charges to enable him to get a light sentence or probation..which SHOULD have been indicated...The judge was a hanging judge..all because of other things...I will not go into that..I believe Kovach got off with little or nothing to hurt him..So go figure..I have not yet heard as to a retrial..but that too is indicated..the thing is out of hand..People who have committed manslaughter have gotten lighter sentences...In my mind, though, this goes back to Carnivore and the Patriot Act...plus the conniving with the email to get the search papers under bogus facts...If you had half the paper trails that I have kept on this type of actions against us Orchid folk, you would agree...The CITES act..as written, is a farce and hurting a lot of people for no good reason...And it is enforced differently at every turn...I have enough stuff piled up to make Eric Hanson a terrific book...George made a mistake..no doubt of it..I would not thought it of him..but the penalty is out of line..I saw all the charges..many of them trumped up and exaggerated to a huge degree..I figure the judge just would not really go over all of it impartially...If he had it would have been a fine...Bill Bergstrom Sent via web mail at hialoha.net ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 421--Cuitlauzina pendula
I would agree that the dry period I give does not sound right. After I first obtained this plant I grew it like my other odonts, and it did not flower. Subsequently, for me, it did not set an inflorescence if watered after the new growth; and the buds blasted if watered after the buds appeared. It never did well until I kept it dry from new growth to flowering-usually about 6 months. I have since obtained an AM, and 9 years later a CCM, so it has done fairly well. Although it did not win the final award, it was the official nominee from the Northeast Judging Center for the Duggar Award (best Odontoglossum) for 2003. Wilford Neptune ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Cuitlazinia pendula
C. pendula in my backyard (coastal southern CA) gets regular watering all year round and blooms dependably every year. Where I have seen it in Mexico, there does seem to be a dryer season early in the year, say for 2-3 months before easter, but totally dry is not the case. The wild plants do get somewhat dehydrated. However, while this may be something the plants can tolerate, I see no reason to think it is what they prefer. Peter S. Tobias Encinitas, CA ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: What triggers for autogamy in orchids
Peter O'Byrne who said: >I suspect that many (most ? all ?) orchid species produce a small >percentage of autogamous-form seeds every time they set a capsule. >I think it would be fairly easy for a plant to evolve a single gene that >leads to autogamy; almost any deficiency in the material of the >rostellum would result in the necessary outcome. Such a gene would >give the species a valuable evolutionary advantage ... the ability to >colonise fresh territory from just one seed, even in the absence of pollinators. Thanks Peter, Your hypothesis makes a lot more sense than external triggers being responsible for autogamy, though I have heard it more than ones portrayed as such. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Fw: USDOJ news release does not mention Phrag. kovachii in the Norris/Arias case
Viateur who asked:
>I have heard, a couple of times at my orchid society, comments that Manuel
>Arias Silva was sentenced for exporting Phragmipedium kovachii.
>Did I miss something at some point or the species was never actually
>mentioned in the prosecution against Manuel Arias Silva nor George Norris ?
IMHO, those comments are false and not based on USDOJ news releases.
The USDOJ news release does not mention what species. It mentions shipments
between Jan 1999
and Oct 2003, thus species other than Phragmipedium kovachii had to be
involved, whether Pk
was, or not, can not be gained from the document.
note:
{Certainly, George DID NOT OFFER Phrag. kovachii for sale in his now
(in)famous flyer, he simply
mentioned that he might have some in the near future. I read that flyer and
concluded that
George was talking about legal Phrag. kovachii plants, artificially propagated
by one of the
two designated and licensed nurseries in Peru.}
Here is the news release:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ENRD
THURSDAY MARCH 11, 2004 t(202) 514-2007
WWW.USDOJ.GOV TDD (202) 514-1888
TWO INDIVIDUALS INDICTED IN MIAMI FOR SMUGGLING
PROTECTED PERUVIAN ORCHIDS
WASHINGTON, D.C. - A federal grand jury in Miami, Florida, has
returned an indictment charging Manuel G. Arias Silva, a Peruvian national,
and George W. Norris, a resident of Spring, Texas, with conspiring to smuggle
into the United States protected orchid specimens, including specimens of the
genus Phragmipedium, commonly known as Tropical lady's slipper orchids. All
species of orchid are protected under the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).
According to the indictment, Arias sold several shipments of
orchids to Norris between January of 1999 and October of 2003. Arias would
allegedly obtain a CITES permit for the shipment from Peruvian authorities
that authorized the export of certain numbers of artificially-propagated
specimens of particular species of orchids. Arias, at the instruction of
Norris, would then allegedly include in the shipment specimens of species not
included on the CITES permit. To conceal the allegedly illegal activity, he
would falsely label the protected species as a species listed on the permit.
Arias would allegedly provide to Norris a code or "key" that would provide
Norris a means for deciphering the false labels and identifying the true
species of the orchids. In some instances Arias allegedly shipped orchids
that were wild collected rather than artificially propagated. One shipment in
February of 2003 allegedly included some 1,145 specimens, of which
approximately 490 were of species not authorized for export by the
accompanying CITES permit.
In addition, Arias is charged with two counts and Norris with
one count of making a false statement to federal authorities in violation of
18 U.S.C. ' 1001(a). Norris faces an additional two counts of smuggling
related to alleged sales and domestic shipments of orchids that he knew had
been imported contrary to law. If convicted, the maximum penalty for each of
the counts of the indictment is up to five years in prison and a $250,000
fine.
The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of
Wild Fauna and Flora is a treaty to which the United States and Peru, along
with over 160 other nations, are parties. The United States implements CITES
through the Endangered Species Act. Certain species of orchids are listed on
Appendix I of CITES, including all species of the genus Phragmipedium.
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[OGD] Re: What triggers for autogamy in orchids
Peter, Epipactis helleborine is not a tropical S.E.Asian plant; I know nothing about it. Maybe someone else on the list has some answers. I'm not enthusiastic about the idea that a growing plant can throw an internal switch and suddenly become autogamous because of some external stimulus and I'm even more sceptical that this can be triggered by the lack of an external stimulus. How would the plant know it is growing in a place where there will never be any pollinators ? It would be easy enough to test your hypothesis all you'd need is some non-autogamous E. helleborine plants and a greenhouse or large plastic bag. I suspect that many (most ? all ?) orchid species produce a small percentage of autogamous-form seeds every time they set a capsule. I think it would be fairly easy for a plant to evolve a single gene that leads to autogamy; almost any deficiency in the material of the rostellum would result in the necessary outcome. Such a gene would give the species a valuable evolutionary advantage ... the ability to colonise fresh territory from just one seed, even in the absence of pollinators. Peter O'Byrne Singapore - Original Message - From: peter croezen To: OGD ; Peter O'Byrne Sent: 09 October 2004 10:43 PM Subject: What triggers for autogamy in orchids Peter who said: > Many authors have noted that when an orchid species progressively > colonises its way from island to island across the ocean, an > autogamous form often leads the way. Very interesting, Peter!! Epipactis helleborine, a European species, can be found in many locations in North America and it is autogamous. Assuming that these plants started from seeds carried on the belongings or shoes of immigrants, did these seeds come from autogamous plants in Europe, or from non-autogamous plants and the total absence of pollinators in NA triggered them into autogamy? Is it known what exactly triggers autogamy? Would total absence of pollinators be a trigger? Are both, autogamous and pollinator dependent, forms of Epipactis helleborine found in European habitats or colonies where pollinators are still plenty? How about other species? What is the natural pollinator of Epipactis helleborine in Europe? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] news - CITES - Bangkok
"The Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) ... Thailand's proposal on ... the hybrid orchid is ... being discussed and a final decision is expected by 13-14 October." source : http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=31600 *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Triana - articles on orchids ?
Thanks Peter (Croezen) for the links about Jose Jeronimo Triana (1828-1890). One did not work and the other is about Triana's writings : 'Manuscritos. Documentos botanicos de J.J. Triana' by Angulo Mendez, Sandra / Biblioteca Nacional de Colombia. ** Of course, before posting my query to the OGD I did 'google' the internet. I have found interesting biographical info about Triana and quite a few titles by that author. What I am actually looking for is in any writing by Triana about orchids. I suspect that in 'Prodromus florae Novo-granatensis' published by Triana, some orchids are possibly mentioned but, unfortunately, I do not have access to that publication. Thanks for references to publications by Triana about orchids. Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 420--Cuitlauzina pendula
The sentence is correct. This species receives the longest dry spell of any in my collection. The mature pseudobulbs end up with severe crenation, and do not plump up until about the following October. The new inflorescence does not appear until about April, from the new growth which started in Dec-Jan, and this new growth does not really enlarge until after flowers are gone, and this becomes mature in time for the next new growth in Dec-Jan. Wilford Neptune ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] OGD V6 # 420: Norris
Regarding Don's question about who informed on Norris, no one knows for sure, although earlier suspicions about Eric Christenson seem entirely unfounded. Perhaps no one informed. Attention could have been drawn to Norris simply by the fact that he offered the tainted species, Phragmipedium, for sale. In the wake of the prior P. kovachii scandal, a zealous USF&WL agent might have noticed this and started the ball rolling. There would have been nothing illegal if Norris and Arias could have established that the Phrags were propagated legally and not collected, but Norris' seized computer records [Oh, Brave New World!] indicated otherwise. You will recall that previously an overly zealous USF&WL agent attempted to win brownie points with his superiors by entrapping Pepe Portilla of Ecuagenera, Ecuador, into selling him illicit Cycads. It seems that USF&WL is driven by bureaucratic motivation to compile a record of publicized convictions, regardless of their relevance to plant conservation. Regarding Kathy Barrett's assertion that import authorities in Miami are lax, what is the evidence? A Homeland Security issue? Hardly! Do illicit plants, unlike legitimate imports, harbor human disease or do they explode in crowded places? The entire CITES convention, as it applies to orchids is a farce, since no orchid species is truly in danger of extinction. Does Kathy really think that each inspector can simply look at each orchid and tell what species it is, whether that species is Appendix I or II and whether it has been collected or has been artificially propagated? What is within the realm of reason is that Ag Inspection examine imported plants for insects and disease and either pass them or determine appropriate resolution of problems. On what basis does Kathy state that local authorities here let "boxes cross the border unopened and unchallenged?" As one who has imported several shipments of orchids through Miami, this charge is simply untrue, although I suspect her baseless assertion will be picked up and repeated by others as evidence of laxity in Miami. I have brought orchids through LA twice and shudder to think of other inspection stations operating in the same manner. The first time they held my plants for later inspection, promising to ship them the next day by Fed Ex. When they failed to arrive I inquired about them from Miami and was told they couldn't ship them COD because I did not give them a Fed Ex account number and they were not going to risk the possibility that I would refuse them and they would end up with the bill. They intended to hold them for me indefinitely until I had guessed what had happened to them, without comprehending that orchids are perishable! A friend of mine under similar circumstances received about half the orchids he left for inspection. He concluded that at least some of the LA inspectors used inspection as a means of supplementing their own private collections. When I passed through LA after the last WOC, two sterile flasks were confiscated from me because they had no Phytosanitary certificates. Perhaps Kathy thinks it is unfair that all inspectors outside of LA are not numbskulls. Bert Pressman ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] kovachii and Norris
Hello OGDers : In a press release, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida indicates : "defendant, George Norris, a resident of Spring, Texas, was sentenced to seventeen (17) months' imprisonment and two (2) years of supervised release at a hearing in Miami, Florida, Federal District Court today in connection with a conspiracy to smuggle into the United States protected orchid specimens, including specimens of the genus Phragmipedium" source : http://www.lawfuel.com/index.php?page=press_releases&handler=focus&pressreleaseid=1696&category=&return=list-publications&sortby=timestamp&screen=1 I have heard, a couple of times at my orchid society, comments that Manuel Arias Silva was sentenced for exporting Phragmipedium kovachii. Did I miss something at some point or the species was never actually mentioned in the prosecution against Manuel Arias Silva nor George Norris ? Thanks in advance for straightening out the facts. Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] What triggers for autogamy in orchids
Peter who said: > Many authors have noted that when an orchid species progressively > colonises its way from island to island across the ocean, an > autogamous form often leads the way. Very interesting, Peter!! Epipactis helleborine, a European species, can be found in many locations in North America and it is autogamous. Assuming that these plants started from seeds carried on the belongings or shoes of immigrants, did these seeds come from autogamous plants in Europe, or from non-autogamous plants and the total absence of pollinators in NA triggered them into autogamy? Is it known what exactly triggers autogamy? Would total absence of pollinators be a trigger? Are both, autogamous and pollinator dependent, forms of Epipactis helleborine found in European habitats or colonies where pollinators are still plenty? How about other species? What is the natural pollinator of Epipactis helleborine in Europe? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Pollination of Entomophobia
In a message dated 10/9/04 6:46:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have now seen a considerable number of these plants in Central Sulawesi, > where it is fairly common and quite widespread. I have never seen capsules on > the inflorescences. > My hypothesis is: E. kinabaluensis is a Sulawesi species, and that a > pollinator exists for this species in Sulawesi. An outrider population consisting of > an autogamous form of the species has established itself on Mount Kinabalu. > <> How utterly fascinating! Ask a simple question & you get more than you bargained for. Is this the explanation for the cleistogamous forms of C. aurantiaca? And how do you explain the very annoying behavior of the genus Viola, which produces pretty flowers when it is too cold to enjoy them, & silly green balls all summer? Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
