[OGD] walking in England
The CRoW Act provides an outstanding opportunity for walkers to explore England's fantastic wildlife habitats. For example, Old Winchester Hill, a spotlight reserve, supports superb downland with seven species of orchid... from a news release : http://www.gnn.gov.uk/content/detail.asp?NewsAreaID=2ReleaseID=139212 *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] ... Jesus himself often quoted from the Old Testament, therefore I believe it is safe to assume that he believed it, literally!
QUOTE: The Being (I think it much, much to limiting to say He or She and especially It) posses(ed)(es) - all at the same time - perfect/whole/complete Knowledge. The Being gifted this created but formless universe with a set of rules. Some choose to call them the Natural Law but I like to think of them as The Master 'Do-It-Yourself/Put-It-Together' Manual. An assembly manual so complete; but, at the same time imaginative and flexible, that the universe was, in time and over time, free to form all sorts of things/creatures. Things and creatures that we (The Arrogant Human) can only guess about. I find this concept TRULY awesome and APPROPRIATELY respectful of the sublime limitlessness of The Being. The whole idea is exciting! Talk about WISDOM. Jerry in Indiana Thanks Jerry, that's great. Mr. Ikea of Sweden would be greatly touched, and I, as his handmaid who constructed some of his masterplans in my own living room this weekend(out of the constraints of a student budget) owe him much worship and devotion. Actually, he owes me quite a bit of money... and the rest of the world, too. But hey... those willy orchids got all the benefit: now they have gotten themselves more habitat. M ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46
That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Darwin, Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown) An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an orchid discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various philosophical/religious discussion groups. With the exception of Darwin, whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et al have little bearing on this subject. Mike ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46
Dear Mike, For Freud: In the form of memories, thought splinters, retained dream images, associations of ideas and other mental states, the world of a person was visualized in the setting and put into words that Freud, who was sitting outside of the field of vision of his analysand, registered with evenly suspended attention. It was not the floral motifs in the waiting room and not a bouquet of lilacs given as a present that constituted the object of psychoanalyic relations, but only the thought of floral motifs, of bouquets of lilacs, of a morphologically unusual cattleya orchid (with which Parcel Proust lets seductions occur in A la recherche du temps perdu)-- or the heavy odor of cauliflower... ... Freud wrote to Madame Doolittle on 20 December 1933 Now as for your flowers, it is true I admire orchids, especially some queer and atrociously looking odorous ones like Stanhopea, but I like no flower better than the frail and charming Gardenia. This is an extract on the botanical qualities of Freud, who dreamed of writing a botanical monograph on his wife's favorite flowers. For the full article: http://www.freud-museum.at/pdf/NL1_2001.pdf As to Proust: He climbed after her into the carriage which she had kept waiting, and ordered his own to follow. She was holding in her hand a bunch of cattleyas, and Swann could see, beneath the film of lace that covered her head, more of the same flowers fastened o a swandown plume. She was dressed, beneath her clak, in a flowing gown of black velvet, caught up on one side to reveal a large triangle of white silk skirt, and with a yoke, also of white silk, in the cleft of the low necked bodice, in which were fastened a few more cattleyas. She had scarcely recovered from the shock which the sight of Swann had given her, when some obstacle made the horse start to one side. They were thrown forward in their seats; she utered a cry, and fell back quivering and breathless. It's all right, he assured her, dont be frightened. And he slipped his arms around her shoulder, supporting her body against his own. Then he went on: whatever you do, don't uter a word, just make a sign, yes or no, or you'll be out of breath again. You won't mind if I strighten the flowers on your bodice? The jolt has disarranged them. I'm afraid of their dropping out, so I'd just like to fasten them a little more securely. She was not used to being made so much fuss of by men, and she smiled as she answered: No, not at all; I don't mind in the least. But he, daunted a little y her answer, and also, herpaps, to bear ou the prtence that he had been sincere in adopting the strategem, o even because he was already beginning to believe that he had been, exclaimed, No, no, you musn't speak. You'll get out of breath again. You can easily answer in signs; I shall understand. Really and ruly now, you don't mind my doing this? Look, there's a little-- I think it must be pollen, spilt over your dress. Do you mind if I brush it off with my hand? That's not too hard? I'm not hurting you, am I? Perhaps I am tickling you a bit? I don't want to touch the velvet in case I crease it. But you see, I really had to fasten the flowers; they would have fallen out if I hadn't. Like that, now; if I just tuck them a litle further down... Seriously, I'm not annoying you, am I? And if I just sniff them to see wether they've really got no scent? I don't believe I ever smelt any before. May I? Tell the truth now. Still smiling, she shrugged her shoulders ever so slightly, as who should say, You are quite mad; you know very well that I like it And so the seduction continues. Isn't that just delicious? M - Original Message - From: Mike Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46 Marianne, If you will send me quotes from Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Freud ... bearing a significant relationship to orchids. Mike Hi Mike, Would you please send me a list of orchid publications under 10 lines each? Photos will be counted in bites or pixels. They will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Marianne - Original Message - From: Mike Candy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46 That means we have to toss out the Bible, Kant, Hegel, Dickens, Darwin, Freud, Vasari, (even Mr. Brown) An excellent suggestion Marianne, since this is supposed to be an orchid discussion group and those authors/books are aptly covered in various philosophical/religious discussion groups. With the exception of Darwin, whose work has direct bearing on orchids - the works of Kant, Freud et al have little bearing on this subject. Mike ___ the OrchidGuide
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 48
Dear list members, Marianne (from France) made an interesting comment. ... That makes the discussion very easy, since most of the fuel for disagreement would be eliminated and discarded. Yes, I agree. Why spend a lot of lines to create a source of disagreement? That's more for politics and religions. Again, keep it (as) short (as possible) and stick with orchids. OK, give or take a line or 2. Yours Sincerely, MöhltiMedia Gustaaf R. Möhlmann http://www.mohltimedia.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 46
Marianne You have provided proof positive that this contributes nothing significant to the OGD forum. This would be good on a literary forum, not a horticultural forum. Positive contributions are queries and replies like the recent thread on Paph pollinating. Mike ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Hillerman-90
In a message dated 12/10/04 8:00:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.theunion.com/article/20041210/TODAYSFEATURE/112100080 Thank you Viatur! That was worth reading/scrolling the last several days of drivel! Kathy in cold MN ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Encyclia tripunctata (Lindl.) Dressler
corradoerina... wrote : Encyclia tripunctata. It lost all the leaves recently... Is it normal? The plants of E. tripunctata usually lose their leaves during the winter months, an unusual feature in Encyclia. source: Dressler Pollard, The Genus Encyclia in Mexico, page 52. * additional reference : Hagsater, E. G. A. Salazar 1990Orchids of Mexico, pt. 1, Icones Orchidacearum, 1: plates 1-100 * Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Paphiopedilum pollinating
Hi All. Many thanks for the info supplied. Troy Meyers had a lovely page with photos. the other sites were all very helpfull Ron Is there a web site avaible that shows with photographs, how to pollinated Paphiopedilum orchids. Thanks in advance. Ron Boyd in sunny NSW Austrailia ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Gods Goddesses
In a message dated 12/15/04 11:36:25 AM, Marianne writes: Ok... lets have it once and for all: what about Goddess? According to the great Medieval philosopher Maimonides, G-d is neither male nor female, since He has no corporeal form. We use the masculine gender simply as a grammatical convenience. End of problem. Iris ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Evolution of Ludisia
I have to agree with one of my colleagues when he said, I agree that religion is important in society but I reject the underlying premises. Go Darwin. Speaking of the evolution of orchids, I am familiar with the co-evolutionary pollination strategies which account for the structures of many orchid flowers. However, I have never seen an explanation for the twisting of the anther and lip in Ludisia discolor. I assume this is also a co-evolutionary feature relating to a pollination strategy. Could anybody explain the uncommon lack of symmetry in the flower of this species? Dave ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Evolution of Ludisia
At 03:37 PM 12/15/2004 -0600, you wrote: I have to agree with one of my colleagues when he said, I agree that religion is important in society but I reject the underlying premises. Go Darwin. Speaking of the evolution of orchids, I am familiar with the co-evolutionary pollination strategies which account for the structures of many orchid flowers. However, I have never seen an explanation for the twisting of the anther and lip in Ludisia discolor. I assume this is also a co-evolutionary feature relating to a pollination strategy. Could anybody explain the uncommon lack of symmetry in the flower of this species? Dave while I cannot speak to the advantage of having an off-axis lip in Ludisia, I can speak to the fact that there are other orchids with asymmetrical flowers...many Mormodes have twisted flowers. Also, Tipularia discolor, native to the eastern United States, has asymmetrical flowers with the lip askew one direction and the dorsal sepal and petals skewed the other direction. ---Prem www.premdesign.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchids and literature
Thanks Marianna for your post with quotes by Kant, Freud and Proust about orchids. If I was familiar with Proust's La Memoire du Temps Perdu / Un amour de Swann, the other authors' quotes are new to me. Did you find them with a Google query ? You could find additional quotes by Colette and Huysmans in a book (actually an exhibition catalogue) titled Vanilles Orchidees. I presume you are familiar with the book written by Luigi Berliocchi, The Orchid in Lore and Legend. The author discusses the place of orchids in the arts from literature and magic to cuisine... see : http://www.timberpress.com/books/isbn.cfm/0-88192-616-7 *** Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 6, Issue 49 (Encyclia tripunctata)
Encyclia tripunctata. This Mexican species does lose all of its leaves. Please don't worry as this is normal. Should flower when bulbs are leafless. Flowers are perfumed slightly. Peter Fowler, Alton, UK. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Encyclia tripunctata
Dear friend, we are growing for the first time an Encyclia tripunctata. It lost all the leaves recently. The pseudobulbs look fine. We know it is deciduous, but did not know was SO deciduous. Is it normal? Does anyone have photograph of encyclia tripunctata in the same situation? Thanks in advance. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: twisted flowers (was Evolution of Ludisia)
Prem wrote: Also, Tipularia discolor, native to the eastern United States, has asymmetrical flowers with the lip askew one direction and the dorsal sepal and petals skewed the other direction. I seem to recall reading that T. discolor is pollinated by moths, and the skewed flower ensures that the pollinia are deposited on the insect's compound eye. A symmetrical flower would lead to the pollen being deposited on the moth's scaley forehead, where it would not stick well. Can't recall where I read it, so I don't know if it is true. I'd be curious to know if Tipularia flowers always skew the same direction. If not, and if the direction is under genetic control, it could be a mechanism for reproductive isolation and, ultimately, speciation. Nick -- Nicholas Plummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
