Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
Since I had a problem with the mailserver at our new location this mail got sent a little late, yesterday refers to April 5. Johan - Original Message - From: "Johan Fredriksson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I met Karl Avedal yesterday at a Java forum in Stockholm. They're 3 employees as of today, and probably two more joining up shortly. He spoke of an organic expansion of Ironflare AB. The main effort is to build partner ships with other companies regarding support of the product, and to start selling support packs. The license fee for Orion will remain the same. The support pack is of course another issue. The reason for partners is that the employees of Ironflare today are technicians and like to keep doing what they do - programming on the server. Keeping the license fee low will enable developers to bundle the AS, keeping the costs low. regards Johan - Original Message - From: "Dan North" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Nice analogy :o) And one day I'll be able to say that I had all their early albums before they became famous... Dan/tastapod At 13:02 05/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. -Original Message- From: Matthew E. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Software Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
Thanks for the wonderful update, and for three fellows from Sweden, they are doing a great job of building a low-cost, application server. I do hope they can build some great partnerships with other companies to provide support contracts, and maybe a technical writer to enhance the documentation. Personally, I like to see this technology as accessible to as many people as possible. Great low cost initiatives like Orion, or open source efforts, like Jboss, make that possible, and give some good alternatives to the high priced server initiatives. -Original Message- From: Johan Fredriksson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I met Karl Avedal yesterday at a Java forum in Stockholm. They're 3 employees as of today, and probably two more joining up shortly. He spoke of an organic expansion of Ironflare AB. The main effort is to build partner ships with other companies regarding support of the product, and to start selling support packs. The license fee for Orion will remain the same. The support pack is of course another issue. The reason for partners is that the employees of Ironflare today are technicians and like to keep doing what they do - programming on the server. Keeping the license fee low will enable developers to bundle the AS, keeping the costs low. regards Johan - Original Message - From: "Dan North" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Nice analogy :o) And one day I'll be able to say that I had all their early albums before they became famous... Dan/tastapod At 13:02 05/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. -Original Message- From: Matthew E. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Software Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
I met Karl Avedal yesterday at a Java forum in Stockholm. They're 3 employees as of today, and probably two more joining up shortly. He spoke of an organic expansion of Ironflare AB. The main effort is to build partner ships with other companies regarding support of the product, and to start selling support packs. The license fee for Orion will remain the same. The support pack is of course another issue. The reason for partners is that the employees of Ironflare today are technicians and like to keep doing what they do - programming on the server. Keeping the license fee low will enable developers to bundle the AS, keeping the costs low. regards Johan - Original Message - From: Dan North [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Nice analogy :o) And one day I'll be able to say that I had all their early albums before they became famous... Dan/tastapod At 13:02 05/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. -Original Message- From: Matthew E. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that nice fuzzy feeling that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on life-support - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's rush] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Software Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
Nice analogy :o) And one day I'll be able to say that I had all their early albums before they became famous... Dan/tastapod At 13:02 05/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. -Original Message- From: Matthew E. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Software Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
where you from, I know it isn't a one hit wonder. Definitely not the ORION phenomena... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fink, Paul Sent: 06 April 2001 15:21 To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Or like a rock band that had one hit single and are never heard from again. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:02 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. For further information visit http://www.messagelabs.com/stats.asp
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
Or like a rock band that had one hit single and are never heard from again. -Original Message- From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:02 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2.
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
I'd confirm the concerns listed below. We are considering migrating from Tomcat + JOnAS to Orion - however we have concerns with the lack of feedback or site updates this year, and are not prepared to purchase and deploy a product without at least some indication that it will receive ongoing support (ie up-to-date website, product updates, support, mailing list postings, further compliance with EJB 2.0). That being said, we are very impressed with the product and activity on this mailing list. Regards, Liam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 1:06 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -Original Message- From: Karl Avedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hello everyone, Time is well overdue for some information from us about the release schedule and when you can see your bugs fixed. I'm sorry to say that I can't give any information now either about when the next release can be available and when the different bugs can be fixed. We have been pretty silent lately and things have moved much slower than we hoped. We understand very well that many of you are in tough positions with bugs standing in the way of using Orion for your projects. The silence from us has provoked a discussion about whether we are dead like so many other IT companies, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that we are not. We will provide more information and I sincerely hope that we will soon get back on track with the release schedule. More information will be sent to this list later this week. Regards, Karl Avedal
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
We paid for a license. All of our emails / calls / faxes went unanswered until I complained on this mailing list. I would suggest not buying a license, unless you are prepared to "go it alone". Orion is a great product, but customer support is horrible! I would develop the app on Orion and then deploy on either JBoss or Enhydra Enterprise. I don't think we should give IronFlare anymore money until they start supporting their customers correctly. The part that is killing me, is Orion is a great product and could be a great competitor to the big guys in the J2EE app server market. However, by not providing the bare-bones customer support needed, IronFlare will eventually fail since they are now making a very bad name for themselves in the eyes of alot of J2EE developers. Just my 2 cents worth Good Luck, Tom Pridham -Original Message- From: elephantwalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:06 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -Original Message- From: Karl Avedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hello everyone, Time is well overdue for some information from us about the release schedule and when you can see your bugs fixed. I'm sorry to say that I can't give any information now either about when the next release can be available and when the different bugs can be fixed. We have been pretty silent lately and things have moved much slower than we hoped. We understand very well that many of you are in tough positions with bugs standing in the way of using Orion for your projects. The silence from us has provoked a discussion about whether we are dead like so many other IT companies, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that we are not. We will provide more information and I sincerely hope that we will soon get back on track with the release schedule. More information will be sent to this list later this week. Regards, Karl Avedal
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: I have thought deeply about Orion, and I feel they are affected by the same problems as Jboss, which is lack of funding or capital. This is a wonderful product, build by some very intelligent people, with excellent advice from the user community, but there are three bottlenecks they need to address: 3. Providing hooks to other popular servers, such as Apache and IBIS. What?! While I can see this this would make it more 'sellable' and feel more comfortable to paranoid old-fashioned folk, it's certainly not a good idea for people who are performance sensitive. The more interfaces you have, the more of a performance hit you take. I don't think lack of funding is the issue, JBoss is opensource so they have to find their money in ways other than by selling their product. Orion sells itself, and that will keep the developers fed and clothed and active! Incidentally, I'm a happy Orion customer, and have had pretty good experience in terms of support...you just have to know how to ask! Hani
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
guys, as someone who has been dealing with theses issues for over 1 1/2 years of using orion (1 year in production for a number of applications) I would just advise you to save your breath and make your decision based on what's there now. several people (including myself) have made pleas like you a number of times and not much has changed but I (or better we) have decided that orion has reached a level of maturity that is ok for us and that it is an unbeatable deal for certain requirements if you can live the risks that are certainly there. we now know, which features are reliable and we stick to using those only. there are probably a number of major bugs still waiting to be discovered which might cause serious problems in your projects without any guarantee when they will be fixed. my advice is, set up your system, test extensively and then decide whether to buy or not (if you can afford that approach, of course). if you cannot live without that extra bit of security, you'll have to spend a heck of a lot more money for similar features. it's a trade-off but don't bet on anything happening at ironflare that hasn't happened yet. best regards, robert At 22:48 05.04.2001 , you wrote: I'd confirm the concerns listed below. We are considering migrating from Tomcat + JOnAS to Orion - however we have concerns with the lack of feedback or site updates this year, and are not prepared to purchase and deploy a product without at least some indication that it will receive ongoing support (ie up-to-date website, product updates, support, mailing list postings, further compliance with EJB 2.0). That being said, we are very impressed with the product and activity on this mailing list. Regards, Liam. (-) Robert Krger (-) SIGNAL 7 Gesellschaft fr Informationstechnologie mbH (-) Brder-Knau-Str. 79 - 64285 Darmstadt, (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373 (-) [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.signal7.de
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
I have thought deeply about Orion, and I feel they are affected by the same problems as Jboss, which is lack of funding or capital. This is a wonderful product, build by some very intelligent people, with excellent advice from the user community, but there are three bottlenecks they need to address: 1. Documentation 2. Support 3. Providing hooks to other popular servers, such as Apache and IBIS. If they could get a company to believe in their product (and certainly not a competitor trying to remove them), and fund the development, then the sky is the limit. Of course, I like the nice pictures and biography you find with the core staff at such projects as Jobs, Myself, and Postgresql. Randy -Original Message- From: elephantwalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:06 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -Original Message- From: Karl Avedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hello everyone, Time is well overdue for some information from us about the release schedule and when you can see your bugs fixed. I'm sorry to say that I can't give any information now either about when the next release can be available and when the different bugs can be fixed. We have been pretty silent lately and things have moved much slower than we hoped. We understand very well that many of you are in tough positions with bugs standing in the way of using Orion for your projects. The silence from us has provoked a discussion about whether we are dead like so many other IT companies, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that we are not. We will provide more information and I sincerely hope that we will soon get back on track with the release schedule. More information will be sent to this list later this week. Regards, Karl Avedal
Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on...
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
How many people are actually working on Orion, and what is their forte? Most likely, it is probably developed and maintain by a small number (maybe under six). Sure, they are successful, and sell, but they could sell more. Think up them as an up and coming rock group. Add a good manager (CEO with a good business plan) and a promoter (a great technical writer working the documentation), and suddenly you have U2. -Original Message- From: Matthew E. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 11:57 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! I also would like to here from someone at Ironflare/Orion concerning the status of the company. My company is currently planning to build our internal infrastructure on the Orion server. -matthew porter elephantwalker wrote: I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on...
RE: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well!
I have tried to schedule phone calls with Orion by sending emails and faxes to ironflare, nothing seems to work. We are going to deploy soon, but if I can't talk to these guys at least once, there's no way we are forking over any money. We need that "nice fuzzy feeling" that you get by talking to a warm body. Are there any paying customers on the news service that are getting prompt and reliable service for Orion, either by email or phone? Regards, Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:27 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: WE NEED NEWS! We need to know Orion is alive well! Its been around 4 months since Orion went on "life-support" - ie - the website went on hold ... - Karl Magnus went silent on company futures except for rare emails promising news soon - the software development slowed to a crawl [by comparison to last year's "rush"] - bug fixes slowed to a crawl - my email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] went unanswered Please Karl, Magnus, give us some news, even if its only to understand whats happened in the last 4 months -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 11:48 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet?? Wasn't this from *WAY* back in January... I know that Orion 1.4.5 was released around January 22nd, there has been the updates to 1.4.7, *AND* there were rumors about 1.4.8. But, there really hasn't been any news about the goings on of Evermind/IronFlare. How are you guys doing? Whats the state of IronFlare? It would be nice to hear whats going on... -Original Message- From: Karl Avedal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:15 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet?? Hello everyone, Time is well overdue for some information from us about the release schedule and when you can see your bugs fixed. I'm sorry to say that I can't give any information now either about when the next release can be available and when the different bugs can be fixed. We have been pretty silent lately and things have moved much slower than we hoped. We understand very well that many of you are in tough positions with bugs standing in the way of using Orion for your projects. The silence from us has provoked a discussion about whether we are dead like so many other IT companies, and I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that we are not. We will provide more information and I sincerely hope that we will soon get back on track with the release schedule. More information will be sent to this list later this week. Regards, Karl Avedal
