Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Michael Herman via OSList]

After 30 years of people sharing their questions, stories, practice
materials and more, all of which ultimately traces back to the original
practice and User's Guide... and... after many guides and papers,
Harrison's and many others, have been freely available for reading,
downloading, sharing, etc for many years, what exactly is this
accomplishing?  How would anyone know that they are deriving something from
this Ref Def vs. some other materials?   Why would it matter?  Seems this
just imposes some new rules on something that has worked pretty wonderfully
for a long time?  But why?


--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org




On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:05 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> "Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons,
> Open Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
> away..with due credit of course?"
>
> Who knows? Who cares? I don't.
>
> ho
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Birgitt Williams 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 6:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>
> Thank you Harrison, I have understood that even though a copyright is in
> place for the book, that since you are the copyright holder you then had
> the freedom to 'give OST away'. A gift that I among countless many
> appreciate.
>
> Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open
> Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
> away..with due credit of course?
>
> As for breathing, I personally am giving it my best go.
>
> Birgitt
>
> *Birgitt Williams*
> *Supporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will Lead"*
> Author, Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc
> 
> Founder Genuine Contact Program
> 
> Co-owner Genuine Contact Group, LLC
> 
> Founder Extraordinary Leadership Network
> 
>
> *Learn with us for your growth and development for the new leadership
> paradigm *
>
> Genuine Contact Summer Academy
>  theme is
> Genuine Contact: a holistic approach to change June 22-28, 2019
> Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario, Canada--early bird registration price still in
> effect. Approximately 30 participants from many countries taking a deep
> dive into working with change, learning more about thriving in today's
> performance environment of constant change.
>
> *Trail-Blazing Membership to the International Community of Practice
> Available Now --*the
> international community of practice working with the Genuine Contact
> program since 2001 is now evolving itself as a membership organization.
> Trail Blazing members have the opportunity from now through August 2019 to
> help develop the membership model. I hope that you will become a
> Trail-Blazing Member, adding your support to the growth of Genuine Contact
> in the world...and there are membership benefits that are sure to make this
> worth your commitment.
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:07 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused  as you are. Open Space (OST) is
> and has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that
> was just a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When
> Berrett-Koehler took over my books, being a commercial operation they
> covered their investments with copyright. As they should. The book WAS
> copyrighted. Open Space was not, could never be, and was as always FREE.
> Birthright of every creature on the planet. It's who we are, how we are,
> what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't patent, can't copy write, Of
> course you could just STOP (breathing).
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Birgitt Williams 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>
> Hi all,
> I would appreciate some clarification please.
>
> 1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer,
> seven times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to
> those interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently
> comments about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived
> experience was different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for
> having had the benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. 

Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

"Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open 
Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it 
away..with due credit of course?"
Who knows? Who cares? I don't.
ho


-Original Message-
From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Cc: Birgitt Williams 
Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

Thank you Harrison, I have understood that even though a copyright is in place 
for the book, that since you are the copyright holder you then had the freedom 
to 'give OST away'. A gift that I among countless many appreciate.
Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open 
Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it 
away..with due credit of course?
As for breathing, I personally am giving it my best go.
Birgitt
Birgitt WilliamsSupporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will 
Lead"Author, Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc
Founder Genuine Contact ProgramCo-owner Genuine Contact Group, LLCFounder 
Extraordinary Leadership Network
Learn with us for your growth and development for the new leadership paradigm 
Genuine Contact Summer Academy theme is Genuine Contact: a holistic approach to 
change June 22-28, 2019 Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario, Canada--early bird 
registration price still in effect. Approximately 30 participants from many 
countries taking a deep dive into working with change, learning more about 
thriving in today's performance environment of constant change.
Trail-Blazing Membership to the International Community of Practice Available 
Now--the international community of practice working with the Genuine Contact 
program since 2001 is now evolving itself as a membership organization. Trail 
Blazing members have the opportunity from now through August 2019 to help 
develop the membership model. I hope that you will become a Trail-Blazing 
Member, adding your support to the growth of Genuine Contact in the world...and 
there are membership benefits that are sure to make this worth your commitment.
PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613Phone: 01-919-522-7750

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:07 PM Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:

Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused  as you are. Open Space (OST) is and 
has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that was just 
a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When Berrett-Koehler took over 
my books, being a commercial operation they covered their investments with 
copyright. As they should. The book WAS copyrighted. Open Space was not, could 
never be, and was as always FREE. Birthright of every creature on the planet. 
It's who we are, how we are, what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't 
patent, can't copy write, Of course you could just STOP (breathing).
Harrison





-Original Message-
From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Cc: Birgitt Williams 
Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

Hi all,I would appreciate some clarification please.
1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer, seven 
times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to those 
interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently comments 
about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived experience was 
different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for having had the 
benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. Have we recreated the 
story line to say that Harrison did not do training and why? the training was 
life changing and we learned OST, not some variation of OS.
2. The books written by Harrison, both the original versions and the books 
thereafter published by Berrett-Kohler are all copyrighted. Of particular 
interest to me is that Open Space Technology:the User's Guide, is copyrighted. 
It is a wonderful handbook of how to go through the form of facilitating an OST 
meeting. Via this copyrighted book, Harrison made it possible to read the book 
and go ahead and follow what is said and have OST meetings. Does this not mean 
that via the copyrighting of the book, that the process of OST is copyrighted?
3. Assuming that the copyrighting took place via copyrighting the User's Guide, 
what is it that is currently placed within Open Source etc? Is it only the 
definition of OST that is on the US OS Institute website and if so, what is the 
implication? I have read the footnote on that reference "©2016 Harrison Owen 
and the Open Space Institute U.S. Offered for license under the Attribution 
Share-Alike licenseof Creative Commons, accessible at 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode and also described 
insummary form at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/. By utilizing 
this Open Source OST ReferenceDefinition you 

Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Thank you Harrison, I have understood that even though a copyright is in
place for the book, that since you are the copyright holder you then had
the freedom to 'give OST away'. A gift that I among countless many
appreciate.

Why then was there a need for this 'copyright' with Creative Commons, Open
Source that affirms definition and ownership as well as also giving it
away..with due credit of course?

As for breathing, I personally am giving it my best go.

Birgitt

*Birgitt Williams*
*Supporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will Lead"*
Author, Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc

Founder Genuine Contact Program

Co-owner Genuine Contact Group, LLC

Founder Extraordinary Leadership Network


*Learn with us for your growth and development for the new leadership
paradigm *

Genuine Contact Summer Academy
 theme is Genuine
Contact: a holistic approach to change June 22-28, 2019 Kitchener-Waterloo,
Ontario, Canada--early bird registration price still in effect.
Approximately 30 participants from many countries taking a deep dive into
working with change, learning more about thriving in today's performance
environment of constant change.

*Trail-Blazing Membership to the International Community of Practice
Available Now --*the international
community of practice working with the Genuine Contact program since 2001
is now evolving itself as a membership organization. Trail Blazing members
have the opportunity from now through August 2019 to help develop the
membership model. I hope that you will become a Trail-Blazing Member,
adding your support to the growth of Genuine Contact in the world...and
there are membership benefits that are sure to make this worth your
commitment.

PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
Phone: 01-919-522-7750


On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:07 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused  as you are. Open Space (OST) is
> and has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that
> was just a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When
> Berrett-Koehler took over my books, being a commercial operation they
> covered their investments with copyright. As they should. The book WAS
> copyrighted. Open Space was not, could never be, and was as always FREE.
> Birthright of every creature on the planet. It's who we are, how we are,
> what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't patent, can't copy write, Of
> course you could just STOP (breathing).
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Birgitt Williams 
> Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>
> Hi all,
> I would appreciate some clarification please.
>
> 1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer,
> seven times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to
> those interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently
> comments about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived
> experience was different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for
> having had the benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. Have we
> recreated the story line to say that Harrison did not do training and why?
> the training was life changing and we learned OST, not some variation of OS.
>
> 2. The books written by Harrison, both the original versions and the books
> thereafter published by Berrett-Kohler are all copyrighted. Of particular
> interest to me is that Open Space Technology:the User's Guide, is
> copyrighted. It is a wonderful handbook of how to go through the form of
> facilitating an OST meeting. Via this copyrighted book, Harrison made it
> possible to read the book and go ahead and follow what is said and have OST
> meetings. Does this not mean that via the copyrighting of the book, that
> the process of OST is copyrighted?
>
> 3. Assuming that the copyrighting took place via copyrighting the User's
> Guide, what is it that is currently placed within Open Source etc? Is it
> only the definition of OST that is on the US OS Institute website and if
> so, what is the implication? I have read the footnote on that reference "
> ©2016 Harrison Owen and the Open Space Institute U.S. Offered for license
> under the Attribution Share-Alike license of Creative Commons, accessible
> at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode and also
> described in summary form at
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/. By utilizing this Open
> Source OST Reference Definition you 

Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Birgitt, I guess I am about as confused  as you are. Open Space (OST) is and 
has been free ever since. True, the book(s) were copyrighted, but that was just 
a matter of custom, so far as I was concerned. When Berrett-Koehler took over 
my books, being a commercial operation they covered their investments with 
copyright. As they should. The book WAS copyrighted. Open Space was not, could 
never be, and was as always FREE. Birthright of every creature on the planet. 
It's who we are, how we are, what we do ... rather like breathing. Can't 
patent, can't copy write, Of course you could just STOP (breathing).
Harrison





-Original Message-
From: Birgitt Williams via OSList 
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Cc: Birgitt Williams 
Sent: Wed, Jun 12, 2019 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

Hi all,I would appreciate some clarification please.
1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer, seven 
times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to those 
interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently comments 
about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived experience was 
different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for having had the 
benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. Have we recreated the 
story line to say that Harrison did not do training and why? the training was 
life changing and we learned OST, not some variation of OS.
2. The books written by Harrison, both the original versions and the books 
thereafter published by Berrett-Kohler are all copyrighted. Of particular 
interest to me is that Open Space Technology:the User's Guide, is copyrighted. 
It is a wonderful handbook of how to go through the form of facilitating an OST 
meeting. Via this copyrighted book, Harrison made it possible to read the book 
and go ahead and follow what is said and have OST meetings. Does this not mean 
that via the copyrighting of the book, that the process of OST is copyrighted?
3. Assuming that the copyrighting took place via copyrighting the User's Guide, 
what is it that is currently placed within Open Source etc? Is it only the 
definition of OST that is on the US OS Institute website and if so, what is the 
implication? I have read the footnote on that reference "©2016 Harrison Owen 
and the Open Space Institute U.S. Offered for license under the Attribution 
Share-Alike licenseof Creative Commons, accessible at 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode and also described 
insummary form at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/. By utilizing 
this Open Source OST ReferenceDefinition you acknowledge and agree that you 
have read and agree to be bound by the terms of the Attribution ShareAlike 
license of Creative Commons. The URL to the original must be included: 
http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition;. It seems to me that it is only this 
reference that is in the S-A Creative Commons.
Clarification please.
Birgitt
Birgitt WilliamsSupporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will 
Lead"Author, Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc
Founder Genuine Contact ProgramCo-owner Genuine Contact Group, LLCFounder 
Extraordinary Leadership Network
Learn with us for your growth and development for the new leadership paradigm 
Genuine Contact Summer Academy theme is Genuine Contact: a holistic approach to 
change June 22-28, 2019 Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario, Canada--early bird 
registration price still in effect. Approximately 30 participants from many 
countries taking a deep dive into working with change, learning more about 
thriving in today's performance environment of constant change.
Trail-Blazing Membership to the International Community of Practice Available 
Now--the international community of practice working with the Genuine Contact 
program since 2001 is now evolving itself as a membership organization. Trail 
Blazing members have the opportunity from now through August 2019 to help 
develop the membership model. I hope that you will become a Trail-Blazing 
Member, adding your support to the growth of Genuine Contact in the world...and 
there are membership benefits that are sure to make this worth your commitment.
PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613Phone: 01-919-522-7750



On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:03 AM Daniel Mezick via OSList 
 wrote:

Greetings to All, 
I am very happy that Open Space Technology is now published under a truly 
open-source license. What this means in practical terms is that anyone can 
derive from OST and even commercialize that derivation, so long as two very 
important conditions are met: 
1. The derived work is **also** published and made freely available, free to 
the world, under that same CC-BY-SA (truly open-source) license, and
2. The person creating the new work provides very clear and distinct 
attribution back to the source, in this case clearly referring-back to the link 

Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Hi all,
I would appreciate some clarification please.

1.I remember taking/sponsoring OST training with Harrison as the trainer,
seven times, in those early days of helping OST get better understood to
those interested in better understanding it. I see on this list frequently
comments about Harrison not doing training in OST and yet my lived
experience was different...and I am much better off in oh so many ways for
having had the benefit of that time with Harrison and the training. Have we
recreated the story line to say that Harrison did not do training and why?
the training was life changing and we learned OST, not some variation of OS.

2. The books written by Harrison, both the original versions and the books
thereafter published by Berrett-Kohler are all copyrighted. Of particular
interest to me is that Open Space Technology:the User's Guide, is
copyrighted. It is a wonderful handbook of how to go through the form of
facilitating an OST meeting. Via this copyrighted book, Harrison made it
possible to read the book and go ahead and follow what is said and have OST
meetings. Does this not mean that via the copyrighting of the book, that
the process of OST is copyrighted?

3. Assuming that the copyrighting took place via copyrighting the User's
Guide, what is it that is currently placed within Open Source etc? Is it
only the definition of OST that is on the US OS Institute website and if
so, what is the implication? I have read the footnote on that reference "
©2016 Harrison Owen and the Open Space Institute U.S. Offered for license
under the Attribution Share-Alike license of Creative Commons, accessible
at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode and also
described in summary form at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/.
By utilizing this Open Source OST Reference Definition you acknowledge and
agree that you have read and agree to be bound by the terms of the
Attribution ShareAlike license of Creative Commons. The URL to the original
must be included: http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition;. It seems to
me that it is only this reference that is in the S-A Creative Commons.

Clarification please.

Birgitt
*Birgitt Williams*
*Supporting Next Level Leadership "Leading So People Will Lead"*
Author, Senior Consultant, President Dalar International Consultancy, Inc

Founder Genuine Contact Program

Co-owner Genuine Contact Group, LLC

Founder Extraordinary Leadership Network


*Learn with us for your growth and development for the new leadership
paradigm *

Genuine Contact Summer Academy
 theme is Genuine
Contact: a holistic approach to change June 22-28, 2019 Kitchener-Waterloo,
Ontario, Canada--early bird registration price still in effect.
Approximately 30 participants from many countries taking a deep dive into
working with change, learning more about thriving in today's performance
environment of constant change.

*Trail-Blazing Membership to the International Community of Practice
Available Now --*the international
community of practice working with the Genuine Contact program since 2001
is now evolving itself as a membership organization. Trail Blazing members
have the opportunity from now through August 2019 to help develop the
membership model. I hope that you will become a Trail-Blazing Member,
adding your support to the growth of Genuine Contact in the world...and
there are membership benefits that are sure to make this worth your
commitment.

PO Box 19373, Raleigh, NC, USA 27613
Phone: 01-919-522-7750




On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:03 AM Daniel Mezick via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Greetings to All,
>
> I am very happy that Open Space Technology is now published under a truly
> open-source license. What this means in practical terms is that anyone can
> derive from OST and even commercialize that derivation, so long as two very
> important conditions are met:
>
> 1. The derived work is **also** published and made freely available, free
> to the world, under that same CC-BY-SA (truly open-source) license, and
>
> 2. The person creating the new work provides very clear and distinct
> attribution back to the source, in this case clearly referring-back to the
> link to the open-source OST Reference Definition and license per the terms
> of that license:
>
> http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You may wonder where I stand on open source licensing. Or, maybe not.
> Probably not!
>
> But, just for the record, here is where I stand on open-source licensing
> for social technologies like OST:
>
>
>
>
> Protocols for interactions, frameworks for organizing teams, and meeting
> designs are inherently social technologies.  Social technologies have the
> potential 

Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

I think God will be happy! Always good to give credit where credit is due.

 

ho

 

From: Daniel Mezick [mailto:d...@newtechusa.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 4:33 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Harrison Owen
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

 

Greetings to All, 

 

I am very happy that Open Space Technology is now published under a truly 
open-source license. What this means in practical terms is that anyone can 
derive from OST and even commercialize that derivation, so long as two very 
important conditions are met: 

 

1. The derived work is **also** published and made freely available, free to 
the world, under that same CC-BY-SA (truly open-source) license, and

 

2. The person creating the new work provides very clear and distinct 
attribution back to the source, in this case clearly referring-back to the link 
to the open-source OST Reference Definition and license per the terms of that 
license:  


  
http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may wonder where I stand on open source licensing. Or, maybe not. Probably 
not!

 

But, just for the record, here is where I stand on open-source licensing for 
social technologies like OST:

 

 

 





Protocols for interactions, frameworks for organizing teams, and meeting 
designs are inherently social technologies.  Social technologies have the 
potential to advance the progress and functioning of teams, communities and the 
wider society at large. Social technology can improve organizations, 
communities and even civilization itself. 

 

For social technologies to rapidly advance human progress, they must be 
published in a way that allows for their free derivation, innovation and 
combination. The open source licensing of social technology allows this, and 
thereby encourages genuine and lasting human progress.

Social technologies such as interaction protocols, organizing frameworks, and 
meeting designs carry with them the great potential to improve human conditions.

Human progress is impeded when promising social technologies are closed to 
derivation and commercialization into new, innovative and useful forms, 
combinations and designs.

Innovation and human progress is encouraged when social technologies are 
published in an open way, under a true open source license.

The publication of promising social technology under open-to-innovate licensing 
arrangements represents a very large opportunity to rapidly accelerate human 
progress.





 

 

 

 

 

 

In light of the foregoing, I plan to immediately incorporate a reference to 
open-source OST into my own designs, to get aligned 100% with this.

 

 

I have developed some social technology that builds upon and in fact derives 
from Open Space Technology. Here they are: 

 

1. http://www.Prime-OS.com: PRIME/OS, an Engagement Model.  Prime/OS is 
published open-source.

 

2. http://www.OpenSpaceAgility.com: OPENSPACE AGILITY is also open-source 
because it based on and refers to open-source Prime/OS. OpenSpace Agility is 
published open-source per the terms of the Prime-OS license.

 

 

 

What I plan to do in light of this OST Reference Definition is the following: 

 

1. Update the Prime/OS Reference Definition so that it derives from the OST 
Reference Definition on the proper way. I also plan to add the link from OSI-US 
to the definition of Prime/OS, and make it clear that Prime/OS is using OST and 
is based upon it. And that Prime/OS ***derives from** OST.

 

 

 

 

REFERENCE  LINKS:

 

Here are some reference links for those who want to dig deeper on this subject 
of open licensing: 

 

Freedom Defined: 

https://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/CC-BY-SA

 

Link to the CC-BY-SA license: 

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

 

Link to Prime/OS Reference Definition (I plan to update this document soon): 

https://openspaceagility.com/prime/download-prime/

 

 

So, there you go, I am happy that OST is published under an open source 
license, and I hope anyone and everyone with some kind of derivation of Open 
Space Technology refers back to this license and publishes their derivations 
open and free.

 

 

This is a big deal !

 

 

I hope you find all of this interesting. 

 

 

Have a nice day!

 

-Daniel 

 

Daniel Mezick
Phone: 203 915 7248
Bio & Contact Info: http://www.DanielMezick.com
Latest Book: http://www.InvitingLeadership.com

 

Business Agility Leadership event May 14-15 Boston: 

The Open Leadership Symposium  










On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:

 

Well said!

 

Harrison

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Barry 
Owen via OSList
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:41 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: Barry Owen
Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

 

Harold - What you wrote is great. 

Re: [OSList] Current Success with OST in K-12?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Jake,

I do not have experience with open space being employed in classrooms.

I do have a lot of memories of open space events that I facilitated in 
after school Kindergarten (6 to 11 year old kids), elementary school (in 
Berlin thats grade 1 through 6), high school (grade 7 to 13), vocational 
training schools (16 through 18 years old)... and in subsystems of these 
organisations (such as student representatives in highschool) and larger 
systems (project exchanges between schools from throughout Germany that 
attempted to have "Democratic Schools" (these were os events for 
professionals from schools and government departments) or "Schools 
without Racism"(this was for 50 elementary schools with 3 students from 
each school... a very joyous event with 150 kids that none of the 
educators watching it could believe).


Among those taking part in these various os events there was recurring 
interest of somehow working with os in the classroom. But I have no 
stories on what actually happend.
It seemed to me  that it would require some twisted ost approach (see 
the current discussion on this list).
However, I remember that the student body representatives in one 
highschool (Beethoven Oberschule in Berlin-Steglitz) decided to use ost 
for their weekly meetings. They selforganised  it and were overwhelmed 
by the productive fun they had.
Anna Carolina Türk (see World Map) was a student at Beethoven at that 
time and active in the student body... she could tell you a lot more on 
this story from her own experience. I will cc to her.


Checking on Chris Weaver of Evergreen Community Charter School in 
Asheville, NC (Birgitt pointed to his work) I also ran into a Book 
"Redesigning America's Schools, a systems approach to improvement" with 
a number of references to OST in schools, but not in classrooms. It 
seemed to me that Chris also wrote on this topic, could not find a 
reference, though.


I have heard of schools employing ost as a basic approach in their 
schools (in Israel) but have no sources. Maybe Tova would know about 
this (see Tova Averbuch in the World Map). I cc this to her.


I have also heard of using ost in graduate programmes where students and 
everyone else involved designed and implemented and ran graduate 
programmes (one University in Seattle if I remember correctly, Ann 
Stadler and Peggy Holman are likely to know more).


Even though I no longer work as a facilitator, I would love to hear of 
ost in the classroom with its challenges (non-voluntary attendance, 
teacher as facilitator, fairly homogeneous groups...).


Oh yes, there are a number of facilitator  colleagues in Germany with 
experience in school settings... for instance Christian Kemper in Bonn.


On reading through our email exchange (Chris and I) I found these notes 
from December 2015:


"I am on a writing retreat, close to publishing a book of a new school 
design, in which OST figures prominently.  Back to work!k"


and a little bit later, in January 2016, after I asked him to be put on 
the list of buyers:


" I'd be honored to share my work with you as soon as it is in a 
finished-ENOUGH form, which is maybe only a few short weeks away.  I am 
most interested to hear if the school design I propose, and the 
philosophy underlying it, makes sense to you, is useful, and suggests a 
potential German-language audience."


And a few days after that:

" the book deals some with the physical space, but that is only a very 
small part.  the word "design" in the title connotes the design of 
process and structures of interaction.  a lot of the book is devoted to 
more than 50 principles and the educational philosophy behind themi 
need to keep in mind harrison's mantra about "one less thing"!


I wonder what happened to this project.

In "About the author" of his book "The Heart of the Canoe..."
it says: "Chris is the author of "Living School Design & Practice" (to 
be published early in 2017, which shares a comprehensive design for a 
new kind of school."


Anybody seen this book?

Greetings from Berlin
mmp


Checking for Books by Chris I found
Am 12.06.2019 um 01:12 schrieb Jake Yeager via OSList:

Hi everyone,

My wife is a journalist who writes about education, and she is curious 
if anyone is currently having success employing Open Space in K-12 
classrooms.


Please let me know if you are and would be willing to speak with her.

Thanks!

All the best,
Jake


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and 
you will be free of problems.

  - Robert Adams 

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Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Greetings to All, 

I am very happy that Open Space Technology is now published under a truly 
open-source license. What this means in practical terms is that anyone can 
derive from OST and even commercialize that derivation, so long as two very 
important conditions are met: 

1. The derived work is **also** published and made freely available, free to 
the world, under that same CC-BY-SA (truly open-source) license, and

2. The person creating the new work provides very clear and distinct 
attribution back to the source, in this case clearly referring-back to the link 
to the open-source OST Reference Definition and license per the terms of that 
license:  

http://osius.org/ost-reference-definition 







You may wonder where I stand on open source licensing. Or, maybe not. Probably 
not!

But, just for the record, here is where I stand on open-source licensing for 
social technologies like OST:




Protocols for interactions, frameworks for organizing teams, and meeting 
designs are inherently social technologies.  Social technologies have the 
potential to advance the progress and functioning of teams, communities and the 
wider society at large. Social technology can improve organizations, 
communities and even civilization itself. 


For social technologies to rapidly advance human progress, they must be 
published in a way that allows for their free derivation, innovation and 
combination. The open source licensing of social technology allows this, and 
thereby encourages genuine and lasting human progress.

Social technologies such as interaction protocols, organizing frameworks, and 
meeting designs carry with them the great potential to improve human conditions.

Human progress is impeded when promising social technologies are closed to 
derivation and commercialization into new, innovative and useful forms, 
combinations and designs.

Innovation and human progress is encouraged when social technologies are 
published in an open way, under a true open source license.

The publication of promising social technology under open-to-innovate licensing 
arrangements represents a very large opportunity to rapidly accelerate human 
progress.







In light of the foregoing, I plan to immediately incorporate a reference to 
open-source OST into my own designs, to get aligned 100% with this.


I have developed some social technology that builds upon and in fact derives 
from Open Space Technology. Here they are: 

1. http://www.Prime-OS.com: PRIME/OS, an Engagement Model.  Prime/OS is 
published open-source.

2. http://www.OpenSpaceAgility.com: OPENSPACE AGILITY is also open-source 
because it based on and refers to open-source Prime/OS. OpenSpace Agility is 
published open-source per the terms of the Prime-OS license.



What I plan to do in light of this OST Reference Definition is the following: 

1. Update the Prime/OS Reference Definition so that it derives from the OST 
Reference Definition on the proper way. I also plan to add the link from OSI-US 
to the definition of Prime/OS, and make it clear that Prime/OS is using OST and 
is based upon it. And that Prime/OS ***derives from** OST.




REFERENCE  LINKS:

Here are some reference links for those who want to dig deeper on this subject 
of open licensing: 

Freedom Defined: 
https://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/CC-BY-SA

Link to the CC-BY-SA license: 
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

Link to Prime/OS Reference Definition (I plan to update this document soon): 
https://openspaceagility.com/prime/download-prime/


So, there you go, I am happy that OST is published under an open source 
license, and I hope anyone and everyone with some kind of derivation of Open 
Space Technology refers back to this license and publishes their derivations 
open and free.


This is a big deal !


I hope you find all of this interesting. 


Have a nice day!

-Daniel 


Daniel Mezick
Phone: 203 915 7248
Bio & Contact Info: http://www.DanielMezick.com 
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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well said!
>  
> Harrison
>  
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
> Barry Owen via OSList
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:41 AM
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Cc: Barry Owen
> Subject: Re: [OSList] open message to Nick Martin
>  
> Harold - What you wrote is great. Thank you!
>  
> Bhavish, I could copy and paste your comments @ Massacre of Open Space and 
> send them to a group that does an annual event here in Nashville.
>  
> This event began with me doing an Open Space event. I invited REALTORS to 
> come together to talk about issues and opportunities we were facing as a 
> direct result of the