Re: [OSList] this is a test

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Received here as well.
Sending love back to all of you
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Il giorno mar 21 dic 2021 alle ore 03:54 doug via OSList <
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> Tova--
>
> Got it!
>
> Doug. Germann
>
> On 12/20/21 3:22 PM, Tova Averbuch via OSList wrote:
>
>
>
> *I have changed my mail address a while ago and had some challenges with
> posting.*
>
> *This is a test*
>
> *Please let me know if this comes through*
>
>
>
> Love
>
> Tova
>
> Please update to : t...@tovaaverbuch.com
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Re: [OSList] A phenomenal new book by one of our own: Initiating and Inviting Generative Change

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Dear all,

following Peggy's message, I want to thank Tova for writing this book.
It is really interesting, her work helped me to become aware of the
dynamics we put in place with clients.
Have a nice Christmas if you celebrate it
All the best
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Il giorno gio 16 dic 2021 alle ore 23:23 Peggy Holman via OSList <
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> Hi my OS list friends,
>
> I want to “out” Tova Averbuch, who has given us all a gift. She recently
> published the brilliant Initiating and Inviting Generative Change: Entry
> and Contracting for Emergent Outcomes in Results Driven Organizations
> 
> .
>
> Full disclosure: I’m biased because I had the joy and honor of being a
> sounding board as the book was born. It gave me a ring side seat to
> witnessing emerge the best framing of how to work with leaders and
> organizations seeking change that I’ve seen. Tova provides stories and a
> jaw-droppingly elegant framework that is simplicity on the other side of
> complexity. It captures a nuanced, multi-dimensional view of consulting
> work for introducing and integrating self-organization into an organization.
>
> In the process, she also drops gems, like offering the most cogent,
> myth-busting explanation of that oh-so-frustrating complaint that so many
> of us hear: yes, it was a great meeting but nothing happened afterwards.
> I’ll just leave that as a teaser to say if you want to know more, get the
> book. (It’s in a section called Endings and outcomes in Chapter 3.
> Beginnings and Endings.)
>
> Give yourself or a friend a gift for the new year.
>
> Best of the season,
> Peggy
>
>
> 
> Peggy Holman
> Co-founder
> Journalism That Matters
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> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
> Opportunity 
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Re: [OSList] I just had an Idea: How About We Nominate Harrison Owen for the Nobel Peace Prize?

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Me too.
Let's do it
Ge


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Il mar 2 feb 2021, 07:21 marianella sclavi via OSList <
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> I agree, the Nobel Peace Prize is absolutely deserved by Harrison Owen.
>
> And it would be a way to put the emergence of "collective intelligence",
> empowered by OST
>  under the world's eyes.
>
> I am thrilled and in.
>
> Marianella Sclavi ( Rome,Italy )
>
>
>
> Il giorno mar 2 feb 2021 alle ore 00:46 Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:
>
>>   ABSOLUTELY! I'm IN!
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 5:36 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I know university faculty who might be thrilled to submit such a
>>> nomination with team support. I am curious if any OS Institute leadership
>>> want to step in.
>>>
>>> The website says these nominations are kept confidential for 50 years.
>>> So maybe a focused small private endeavor is a way to proceed. Rather than
>>> any campaign toward a groundswell of support.
>>>
>>> Warmly
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 8:31 AM Romy Shovelton via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
 Great idea ! If we miss this year… we can take this next year to
 prepare for the nominations in 2022….

 Romy


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 On 31 Jan 2021, at 20:55, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

 Nominations are due in two hours (midnight CET.)  : )

 Seems like a call for a plan to nominate by Jan 31, a year from now.

 On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:31 PM Jeff Aitken 
 wrote:

> Maybe an OS Institute can be considered a Peace Research Institute! We
> are studying the Practice of Peace are we not? The case to make on this is
> also a case for HHO...
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:26 PM Jeff Aitken 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, this great idea led me to the website that shows how to send a
>> nomination online.
>>
>> The deadline each year is January 31 -which is today! - for this
>> year's prize.
>>
>> The limited list of those who are eligible to submit a nomination is
>> also on the site.
>> https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination/Criteria-for-nominators
>>
>> Unless any of us are members of a national assembly, or on the board
>> of a Peace Prize winning organization, the most obvious eligible group 
>> (to
>> me) is this below. Anyone fit the bill?
>>
>>
>>- University professors, professors emeriti and associate
>>professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and
>>religion; university rectors and university directors (or their
>>equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign 
>> policy
>>institutes
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Who Better?  Who is more deserving?  No one in my humble opinion.
>>> If the world becomes open to peace and human understanding, then our 
>>> dearly
>>> beloved Harrison Owen CREATED the way...for the world to follow.  The 
>>> list
>>> serve could provide the documentation of the history of Peacemaking as
>>> proof, for the Nobel Peace Prize application...
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Re: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my Mach Mail programme

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Michael lucky you - thanks for the invitation.

Dear Doug,

having not received any Economic Impact Payment from the Donald,
I have donated only 30 dollars.
Thanks so much for this precious service
all the best
ge

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Il giorno gio 28 gen 2021 alle ore 09:56 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Dear Doug,
>
> just received my Economic Impact Payment of 600$ signed by the former
> President of the USA.
>
> Well, your email came just in time to send a 100$ donation to the Open
> Space Institute-USA that they can use as they wish and I would love to
> see it go into a retirement fund of our overworked colleague in Montana.
> Here is the PayPal transfer note
>
> "Hallo Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> Sie haben eine Zahlung über $100,00 USD an Open Space Institute (US)
> (i...@osius.org) gesendet"
>
> For those of you who forgot their highschool German:
>
> "Hello Michael M Pannwitz!
> PayPal
> You donated $ 100.00 USD to the Open Space Institute (US)
> (i...@osius.org) "
>
> Sending donations to OSI USA is easy, go here
> > https://osius.org/content/about
>
> scroll down a  bit and look right.
>
> If 100 of us that received an Economic Impact Payment divert 100 bucks
> to OSI USA the retirement fund for Harold could snap up to 10.100,00
> (tenthousandonehundred) in a jiffy... or for whatever the wise elders at
> OSI USA want to use it.
>
> Greetings from Berlin where I am pondering what to do with the other 500.
> Yes, I can add some to the "Revolving Credit Fund" of the Open Space
> World Map.
> In case anyone of you is not a member of the WorldMap, join (by the way,
> contributing financially to the Map is not a prerequisite for being
> listed in the Map)
> Just go here
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>
> Now, having blown the horn for the glorious OSI USA and the very fine
> World Map I expect responses galore. Now.
>
> mmp
>
>
>
> Am 28.01.2021 um 02:52 schrieb doug via OSList:
>  > Hey folks, be kind. This list is managed by one overworked person
>  > (Harold), and the cost to maintain it is paid by the Open Space
>  > Institute-USA. They could use your help in the way of donations to pay
>  > for it, so everyone can use it for free.
>  >
>  > :- Doug.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 1/27/21 8:27 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>  >> holding a space big enough for the oslist requires really GIANT naps.
>  >> expect, and celebrate, apparent delays!
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> --
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> arbeiten.
> Weltweit sind es 510 aus 77 Ländern, die in 142 Ländern os verbreiten.
> Mal reinschauen:  http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>
> Bei Westkreuz gibts Bücher/e-Bücher, Kärtchensätze und Schätze auf
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Re: [OSList] Are we bugged?

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

I love OSLIST.
However my machine seems to have
some problems with it - most of the messages go into the spam folder.
ge





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Il giorno dom 25 ott 2020 alle ore 21:15 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> My machine loves OSLIST. Everything here ok.
> love and peace
> mmp
> Am 25.10.2020 um 15:03 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList:
> > My Norton goes crazy if I get near OSLIST. What's up?
> >
> > Harrison
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> countries and active in 142 countries worldwide: www.openspaceworldmap.org
>
> And see books/ebooks and task cards on open space and other related
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Re: [OSList] Where is Lisa? Here she is.

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Lovely Lisa,

fabulous access queen, thanks so much for your email.
A little gift for you - the dancing queen at Belgrade wosonos in 2014

Jon brought on behalf of you for the Silent Auctions
All the best
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Il giorno sab 13 giu 2020 alle ore 00:02 Lisa Heft via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Hello, OSLIST friends -
>
> I have not written anything here since 2016 - although I am still sitting
> in the circle and listening in.
> Some of you are dear friends from across the years (note my new email, by
> the way). A few of you have mentioned that it might be nice if I wrote to
> the list about how I am doing.
>
> This message is long, because a) I have not visited in awhile, b) I am
> having a conversation with you here in my head over time, and c) in Open
> Space, even a group of 1 can have a rich conversation for an entire session
> or longer - and can then share their documentation of that exploration back
> to the rest of the group in their Book of Proceedings. Of course you have a
> choice to read it or delete it.
>
> Those of you who know me extra-well know that - since you have known me -
> I have while working as a facilitator and educator also been very involved
> in the care of elderly parents. What just a few of you know is that I have
> also been living with a health condition called ME/CFS
> . That condition has
> progressed. I am fortunate that I am still able to care for myself,
> although here is one way to describe this particular invisible-to-others
> disability: I have to rest in-between putting on my right shoe and my left
> shoe. But I can still put on my shoes ;o)(and hey, who needs shoes in
> COVID quarantine??)  To understand the impact of this health issue (for
> people who have it much much worse than I do), perhaps your country offers
> access to a sobering yet beautiful documentary called Unrest
> .  A few years ago I realized that true,
> radical wellness meant that I must release even those things I love (love
> love love facilitation and teaching about facilitation - love it). I did
> not feel sad releasing my client work - I felt lighter. I still grieve not
> being able to teach and facilitate, and in so many diverse settings,
> countries and cultures. But I knew immediately that it was the right thing
> to do. Last year my amazing father died, this year my amazing mother-in-law
> died, and after two decades of parental care, now my wife and I have more
> time and energy to care for our selves.
>
> Interestingly, I never thought of myself as disabled until recent years,
> because I simply lived my life. However, since my parents raised me in
> a richly-diverse world, I have always had a passion for seeing / imagining
> / designing with a priority of and focus on access and inclusion. So here I
> am in an embodied experience exploring things I always imagined might be
> someone else's experience. Fascinating.
>
> I write this next part simply to share my background, with those of you
> who have not yet met me: I have facilitated for 40-something years. My
> interest area is dialogic methods that scale up (only one facilitator
> needed for a group of 5 or 3000+), that work across country and culture
> (without requiring participants to learn someone else’s vocabulary; without
> working through the facilitators’s own cultural filter), and in which
> participants frame their own experience (rather than the facilitator doing
> so). When I say 'dialogic', I mean those processes which engage
> participants in internal and external dialogue (conversation with self,
> conversation with others). And when I say conversation, I do not mean
> everyone has to speak aloud. Witnessing - fully listening - is
> participation just as much as speaking. I use existing and custom-designed
> processes which engage participants in silent reflection, kinesthetic and
> graphic thinking, improv, role play, poetry creation, movement, and (no
> surprise!) such methods as Open Space, World Cafe and Focused Conversation
> Method. Here is another  way of showing who
> I am (there are so very many different ways of seeing / naming / showing
> one's self).
>
> And now I write this part to share what I feel so proud of - and because
> 

Re: [OSList] Law of Mobility, reimiagined

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

That's how I introduce the law of two feet:

It's a natural law. It's something that happens all the time. It's not a
rule you have to follow, it just happens.
All the time we find ourselves in a situation in which our body is in one
place, our head in another.
When this happens to you in an open space you have two feet and you are
invited, as far as possible, to use them to reconnect your body with your
mind.
You can join another group, you can stay at the coffee break and keep
drinking and eating, you can even go home or back to the office if that's
there your head is.

ciao

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Il giorno lun 6 apr 2020 alle ore 18:10 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Looking at the two clicks that Gerardo mentions it takes to leave an
> online group, I think thats also the two things implied by the Law: if
> you neither learn nor contribute, look for a more productive place.
>
> Now, as far as I can see, this also applies to analog groups of two that
> some of us are confined to. If you neither learn nor contribute, make
> sure to leave that group. It does not imply looking for another group, I
> could turn into a butterfly, for instance,and be all by myself for a
> while or forever.
>
> The version that Chris has in his blog
> “if you find yourself in a place where you are not learning or
> contributing, find somewhere where you can.”
> is new to me.
> If you neither learn nor contribute (2 things), look for a more
> productive place, not a place "where you can". The more productive place
> might be on a dancefloor, in the swimming pool, gardening all by
> yourself, fishing is also great, reading in a book, walk in the forest
> or even join another group or something else, there is no prescription.
>
> Thanks to the virus I have all the time in the world for these
> musings... and love to read blogs which I never did before even
> considering getting another book...
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
> Am 06.04.2020 um 06:35 schrieb Tonnie Van Der Zouwen via OSList:
> > Great blog Chris, thanks Artur for Responding late, I missed the email
> > from Chris before.
> > Best,
> > Tonnie
> >
> > Van der Zouwen Organisatieadvies
> > Dr. Tonnie van der Zouwen MCM
> > www.tonnievanderzouwen.nl
> > 06 50 69 79 82
> >
> >> Op 5 apr. 2020 om 10:55 heeft Artur Silva via OSList
> >>  het volgende geschreven:
> >>
> >> 
> >> Sorry for the delay in answering, but I am late reading the OSLIST.
> >>
> >> Marvelous blog entry, Chris.
> >>
> >> Congratulations!
> >>
> >> Artur
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> On Monday, March 16, 2020, 07:07:20 PM GMT, Chris Corrigan via OSList
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all.  Just published a piece looking at COVID-19 and complexity.
> >> <
> http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot/complexity-in-the-time-of-covid-19/>
>
> >> One of the heuristics I am using is a reimagination of the Law of
> >> Mobility:
> >>
> >> “If you find yourself in a group of four or more people, go somewhere
> >> where you aren’t.”
> >>
> >> Good luck friends.
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Re: [OSList] Law of Mobility, reimiagined

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

In these days I am hosting here in Italy an ongoing online open space using
QIQOchat.
We meet every week Saturday afternoon. Next Saturday we will have our
fourth online gathering.
The law of two feet has become
*the law of *
*two clicks* (you need two clicks to move from one breakout to the other)
Greetings from Milano
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Il giorno lun 6 apr 2020 alle ore 06:36 Tonnie Van Der Zouwen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Great blog Chris, thanks Artur for Responding late, I missed the email
> from Chris before.
> Best,
> Tonnie
>
> Van der Zouwen Organisatieadvies
> Dr. Tonnie van der Zouwen MCM
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> Op 5 apr. 2020 om 10:55 heeft Artur Silva via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> 
> Sorry for the delay in answering, but I am late reading the OSLIST.
>
> Marvelous blog entry, Chris.
>
> Congratulations!
>
> Artur
>
> --
>
> On Monday, March 16, 2020, 07:07:20 PM GMT, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all.  Just published a piece looking at COVID-19 and complexity.
> 
> One of the heuristics I am using is a reimagination of the Law of Mobility:
>
> “If you find yourself in a group of four or more people, go somewhere
> where you aren’t.”
>
> Good luck friends.
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Re: [OSList] A VIRTUAL OPEN SPACE EXPERIMENT

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

I will be using QIQOchat for the second time tomorrow for hosting a 1,5
hour open space with the italian community of facilitators.
Happy to share my learnings if needed
ciao
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Il giorno ven 27 mar 2020 alle ore 01:50 Csaba Lengyel via OSList <
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> I've just posted an article on LinkedIn about our experience with running
> a fully online Open Space event. It went pretty well! :-)
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/on-line-open-space-meeting-vialto-case-study-csaba-lengyel
>
> christine koehler via OSList  ezt írta
> (időpont: 2020. márc. 24., K, 8:05):
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I just participated in another virtual open space experiment, with Nancy
>> White community of practice, hosted by Birgit and Ruben, using Zoom
>> see here :
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zvHZYvA-4q2bxrxsYqI2CUa4h_bYXWfgXvEU5aEWSQE/edit#.
>> if you are interested, you will find a link there to be informed of further
>> experiments.
>> it was a lot of fun, with the limit of 100 participants being reached
>> within minutes.
>> The plan was to use Zoom breakout sessions for co-hosts but due to Zoom
>> particularities, it didn’t work, so we end up creating other Zoom rooms.
>> Here are the links to the notes taken during the sessions I hosted about
>> other open space experiments :
>> session 1
>> 
>>  (in
>> this one you’ll find links to documents presenting other online OST)
>> session
>> 
>>  2
>> Looking forward to another experiment ;)
>>
>> Christine
>>
>> Le 23 mars 2020 à 19:18, JL Walker via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> a écrit :
>>
>> My dear Suzanne:
>>
>> Hope that you, your family and friends are safe, and that you are taking
>> much care of yourself.
>>
>> Fortunately that is in my case, here in Valencia and with all my family
>> that are in Santiago and Paris.
>>
>> I was a little bit sad Suzanne because of not knowing at time of this
>> inspired invitation that you have make in the Oslist, what happens is that
>> actually I don’t go frequently to the list and only I have seen it last
>> Saturday 21.
>>
>> Tell me please how was the experience and if you are thinking to repeat
>> it in the future so I can participate actively in it.
>>
>> Love and peace,
>>
>> Juan Luis Walker
>>
>> *De:* OSList  *En nombre de *Suzanne
>> Daigle via OSList
>> *Enviado el:* domingo, 15 de marzo de 2020 15:14
>> *Para:* OSLIST 
>> *CC:* Suzanne Daigle ; luis@beit.world; Suzanne
>> Daigle 
>> *Asunto:* [OSList] A VIRTUAL OPEN SPACE EXPERIMENT
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A huge leap, a bold move. Later today and this week, we are launching the
>> Virtual Agora Gardens as part of the World Happiness Fest activities. It
>> will be a self-organizing conversational space using the combined
>> technologies of QiQo Chat (where you can choose your garden and topic) and
>> Zoom (where you then engage directly in face-to-face conversations on
>> topics of your choice).  A unique feature of this Virtual Agora (gathering)
>> is that people will be hosting each other. No leaders, facilitators or
>> official hosts. Self-organizing like in nature!
>>
>> You can check out the space and concept here;
>> https://worldhappinessfest.qiqochat.com/cafe
>>
>> All are warmly invited to join this experiment, lending your passion and
>> skills as hosts and facilitators, helping us informally open and hold space
>> for others and with others.  It is free and lasts all week. You can drop in
>> anytime and stay as long as you want.
>>
>> As the planning for the World Happiness Fest was underway, there was no
>> way to predict the alarming and unfolding circumstances of the
>> coronavirus.  The Global Happiness Event is in its third year and has been
>> increasing exponentially. Over the past weeks and month, the planning team,
>> organizers and world hosts have been adjusting, creating and responding
>> with such sensitivity, generosity and heart.
>>
>> With this latest Virtual Garden initiative, it’s also been a race against
>> the clock. What was intended to be a small Open Space experiment,
>> 

Re: [OSList] help needed : a good talk/sparring partner

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Ciao Christine, there's an initiative here in Italy that may be interesting
for you. It is called caffè sospeso (in the neapolitan tradition a caffè
sospeso is a coffee that you offer anonimously to someone in need),
and it's basically a daily meetup on zoom for people that need to share
their emotions and feeling, but also their problems and needs with others.
If you want I can put you in touch with the person that has launched them
here.
All the best
take care
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Il giorno gio 26 mar 2020 alle ore 16:29 Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
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> Hello Christine!
>
> Please name a time and I can meet you in the OS Zoom/Qiqo garden:
> https://openspace.qiqochat.com
> Anyone else who is interested can join us too.  If this is a good
> conversation we can do it again next week and more people can join with
> more advance notice.
>
> Is there a time that works for you...
>
>- today (Thursday) 12:30pm-5pm Eastern / 4:30pm-9pm UTC?
>- or tomorrow (Friday) 10:30am-12:30pm Eastern / 2:30pm-4pm UTC?
>
> Lucas Cioffi
> Founder, QiqoChat.com
> Scarsdale, NY
> 917-528-1831
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM christine koehler via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I have an idea that need some more thinking. it’s about lunching a
>> dialogue mouvement over here (France) to help people dealing with anxiety
>> and prepare for social peace after the crisis (there will be social unrest
>> for sure over here, we can feel it already). it may involve online
>> conversation café and open space
>> I am looking for someone to help me take my idea a bit further , who
>> knows about Conversation Cafe/ NCCD  and can help me talk to the right
>> people in this community.
>> We could talk via Zoom/whatapp or whatever.
>>
>> Anyone willing to help me think this through ?
>>
>> Christine
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Re: [OSList] How do you "hold space?"

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

HI Jake.
I always leave the room right after closing the opening session. I am
normally away for some time - depending on the size of the event.
The biggest it is, the less I am away. Once back most of the time I am
focusing on keeping the space clean and in order, which means collecting
cups and glasses, moving chairs, caring for break out spaces when there's a
change in the sessions, doing this sort of thing. I walk a lot, always
avoiding to get involved in any group conversation. Sometimes I chat with
butterflies.
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Il giorno dom 9 feb 2020 alle ore 05:51 Chris Corrigan via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Harrison has described as being “totally invisible but completely
> present.”  I rarely leave the room. But I also never intervene. If asked to
> help I respond with “what would you like to do? Why don’t you take care of
> it?” It’s about radical return of passion and responsibility to the people.
> It is indeed risky. But the reward is immense.
>
> Chris.
>
> _
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> www.chriscorrigan.com
>
> On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Many questions these days. Thank you for entertaining them. :)
>
> This past week, I facilitated an eight-hour Open Space split across two
> half-days. The attendees were an Organizational Development team, of which
> I am a member. My AVP sponsored the event, because we had recently merged
> with another group, and there was lack of clarity. So, our theme was: "Who
> are we, and how do we collaborate to drive success?" Also, my AVP--who is a
> leader in Learning & Development--wanted to experience Open Space in order
> to understand it better as it is new to my firm.
>
> Since I am a fledgling facilitator, I chose not to participate in the
> breakout sessions, even though I am part of the group. I wanted to make
> sure that I provided the best experience for everyone, and participating
> would have dampened my focus. I shared this with my manager, after she
> inquired after the first day why I had not participated.
>
> Long story short, after the event, my manager had major concerns how I
> facilitated the event. I had gone for long walks while the group was
> working, and she felt that was very risky. I told her that the
> facilitator's role is to remain "invisible" to allow the group to build its
> capacity for self-management. She said that our firm's culture is very
> hierarchical and that "baby steps" are needed. She suggested even
> intervening in a group if it gets "stuck." I believe I mentioned that
> intervening is not part of Open Space facilitation.
>
> So my question is: how do you "hold space?" I found Chris's description on
> his website: "an Open Space Technology facilitator is neither seen nor
> heard, but his or her presence is 'felt.'" I guess by going for long walks
> and not being in the room, my presence was not "felt." One of my colleagues
> provided feedback that by not being there, it didn't seem like I cared.
> This is definitely not the case. I went on long walks as an act of love,
> not negligence.
>
> Anyway, would love your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> Jake
> 
>
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Re: [OSList] Recording Open Space notes from phone or tablet

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

I have been using several times a system called stormz - especially for
very large gatherings (up to 500 participants).
Each group receives an Ipad with a specific set up, everything is quite
easy to do - and the group can upload a selfie so you see the faces of the
people
that attended the session. The real benefit of this system is that it is
very reliable and you don't need an internet connection - run on a portable
server and uses its own wifi.
You need one Stormz "facilitator" in the venue, and what it is called a
Storm Box. Of course, this makes this way of making the proceedings more
expensive than other online tools.
Greetings from Milano
All the best
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Il giorno lun 6 gen 2020 alle ore 23:55 Patrick Schley via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Hi Ilan –
>
>
>
> My colleagues and I facilitate an Open Space event for our software users
> each year at our conference. We have as many as 1,000 people participating
> in the event with more than 150 discussion conveners.
>
>
>
> We have found much success using a product called WebMerge (now Formstack
> Documents, I believe), which allows you to build a form for notes that are
> then saved as a standardized PDF document to a shared drive (we use Box but
> Dropbox or Google Drive integrations are available as well). This has
> worked really well – we then take the PDF’s and combine them into a master
> Book of Proceedings document which is distributed to our community. The
> form is simple:
>
> · Convener’s name and email
>
> · Scribe’s name and email (if applicable)
>
> · Session topic
>
> · Session date/time/circle
>
> · Names of participants
>
> · Session notes
>
>
>
> An added benefit is we make fields available on the form where folks can
> upload pictures (e.g. a photo of a flipchart page from the discussion) that
> are then placed into the document automatically. We have actually strayed
> away from having people upload photos without first typing their notes,
> because we want the typed words in order to make the document more
> searchable. But if there is a drawing or something similar that needs to be
> captured then the image fields work great.
>
>
>
> WebMerge is a paid product based on how many individual submissions you
> have, but we simply increase our plan for the month of the conference and
> then push it back down to a free plan for the rest of the year.
>
>
>
> From a logistical standpoint, we publish a shortened URL to our attendees
> to encourage them to enter their notes. This URL is printed on the sheets
> of paper we leave in each discussion circle for note-taking, as well as on
> posters in the space. We still have laptops available in the News Room for
> people to type their notes in to the form right after their session, but we
> also allow them to take notes into the form “live” if they want, or take
> their written notes with them to submit later. We do a little bit of
> follow-up after the event and are usually able to publish proceedings
> within a month, with a majority of the sessions having at least some form
> of notes in the book.
>
>
>
> Happy to answer any further questions about this.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> -p.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D5542D.FA9025B0]
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>
>
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> *From:* OSList  *On Behalf Of *Ilan
> Kirschenbaum via OSList
> *Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 10:21 AM
> *To:* osl...@openspacetech.org
> *Cc:* Ilan Kirschenbaum 
> *Subject:* [OSList] Recording Open Space notes from phone or tablet
>
>
>
> Hi OSLISTers,
>
>
>
> Happy to join here, happy to find new friends as well as familiar names
> from the agile scene :-)
>
> I am also a student on Tova Averbuch's program (joining the recent spike
> in posts )
>
>
>
> I am toying with the idea of having a simple Google form that will
> auto-generate an Open Space summary to a Google Doc.
>
> The idea is to enable participants to record notes close to their session
> when 

Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Happy Birthday Harrison, whishing you all the best,
with deep gratitude and love
Ge



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Written with a mobile device.
Excuse brevity and typos.



Il Lun 2 Dic 2019, 20:45 Suzanne Daigle via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> Harrison, I wished you a Happy Birthday on Facebook but had to add it
> here, this special place called the OS list where we deliver the only thing
> you asked of us when you gifted us with Open Space: that we share our
> stories and learning.  Well now there's a treasure trove here with decades
> and decades of stuff. Including annual warm wishes to you on your
> birthday.  What a gift you are to all of us. *Happy Birthday *to you in
> Washington, this place that needs you and Open Space more than anyone can
> know.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
> Suzanne Daigle
> Open Space Facilitator
> NuFocus Strategic Group
>
> FL 941-359-8877
> Cell: 203-722-2009
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> Twitter @Daiglesuz
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:00 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Morning all,
>>
>> It’s that time of year. For most of us, it’s holiday season.
>>
>> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen’s
>> birthday.
>>
>> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of
>> the status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world
>> becomes ever more relevant.
>>
>> Thanks for being you.
>>
>> Love,
>> Peggy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> Opportunity 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSList] A few Tennesseans Going walk-about from Berlin to Rome

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Ciao Barry,

uahoo what a journey!!!. Considering the number of days you could spend in
Italy,
I suggest you reduce the time spent in Milano (unless you have other
reasons to be here like shopping, visiting a specific museum etc).
The city itself is nice, but nothing in comparison to the beauty of Rome,
Venice or Florence and it's surroundings (chianti, Siena).
And easter time is always a beautiful period here in Italy -spring is in
the air.
However, considering that Milano is where I live, I will be happy to see
you here!!!
All the best
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Il giorno lun 4 nov 2019 alle ore 22:49 Barry Owen via OSList <
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> Greetings all!
>
> A few months ago, my friend Buck mentioned that he would like to explore
> "Europe" in the Spring of 2020. The only international travel I've done was
> with the Army and was far from anything resembling "vacation", so I took
> the bait with a simple: "I'm IN!"
>
> Between then and now, we occasionally mentioned that we might want to do
> some research to figure out what that trip might look like. Neither of us
> is a fan of traditional "TourBus" exploring, and #WOSONOS2019 inspired us
> to start working on a plan beginning with flying into Berlin and then with
> a combination of planes, trains, and automobiles visiting as many of the
> "coolest" cities possible in @ 16 days. The idea is to "travel light" but
> not camping - spending nights in Inns or "Vacation Rentals" and also visit
> with many Open Space friends along the way.
>
> Last night, we studied the map and came up with a "LIVELY plan" which, of
> course, may change - We fully expect to be surprised. Perhaps a European
> version of Suzanne Daigle's "Open Space on the Open air/rail/road"
>
> So . . . who's out there who lives relatively close to our rambling path?
>
> Our "rough draft" for this journey looks something like this:
>
> April 5- in to Berlin
> April 5-8 Berlin
> April 9-10 Brussels
> April 11-12 Stuttgart (Porsche)
> April 13-15 Milan
> April 16-17 Venice
> April 18-19 Florence
> April 20-22 Rome and out
>
> I'd also love a little feedback . . . Is this too much to do in too little
> time?
> What is a MUST destination along our trek that we might not have
> considered.
>
> I'm not certain of our theme for this Open Space adventure . . . any ideas?
>
> We wish to learn and contribute everywhere we go :-)
>
> b
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Re: [OSList] A proposal for many worlwide OST events on "Climate Change and the Future of Earth"

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

I would love to be involved
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Il giorno lun 30 set 2019 alle ore 12:59 Dr. Christian Kemper via OSList <
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> Dear all,
>
> I will facilitate an open space right next to the "Kanzlerinamt" and the
> "Bundestag" in the center of Berlin on this issue Thursday Oct 10th
> 2-6pm and Saturday Oct 12th 11am-6pm (during the Extinction Rebellion
> Camp, https://rebellion.earth/).
>
> Hope to meet some of you there.
>
> Christian
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> Am 30.09.19 um 09:53 schrieb Royle, Karl via OSList:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I have one in embryonic planning with the Shrewsbury environment centre…
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > *From: *OSList  on behalf of
> > Karolina Iwa via OSList 
> > *Reply to: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > 
> > *Date: *Sunday, 29 September 2019 at 21:48
> > *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > 
> > *Cc: *Karolina Iwa 
> > *Subject: *Re: [OSList] A proposal for many worlwide OST events on
> > "Climate Change and the Future of Earth"
> >
> > We would be in too.
> >
> >
> > Karolina.
> >
> > *Karolina Iwa*
> > Social Innovation I Facilitation
> >
> > *Leadership Festival*
> > <
> https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1iEg7b-0004cM-3F=57e1b682=l-DakdPKPeXdVHw39DAxeQwwRdoBK-CwxQ_WR-G1rznc-Ugg85kuR4zz9pK5UE_JyCXRCl-2nhd8xsYqyRsT7tC1j67Twy3PZIOh2ZSTRMtratVAUHxQwZsAsZJmvGjc2EHwYgePM2yq182BiNwaCKvdTh6vh3ENQw5KR5CdjjMtAUfT9NFk34oS9WAixs6OQHqo00FcQ1wQODazPW0FKuuT8SGl4zAjXDhylPDrYDM
> >
> >
> > 3-6 Oct 2019, Berlin
> >
> > Join us!
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> >
> > Check out our podcast!
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> >
> >
> > Image removed by sender.
> >
> > On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 at 21:24, Bernd Weber via OSList
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Artur,
> >
> > The Right SPARK at the Right moment in time.
> >
> > Yes let us do it!
> >
> > Bernd “bodhi” WEBER
> >
> > web...@gmx.at 
> >
> >
> > Am 29.09.2019 um 20:06 schrieb Artur Silva via OSList
> >  > >:
> >
> > Dear friends,
> >
> > I reckon many remember that Harrison and many friends have
> > been doing for years a set of OST events under the theme "Open
> > Space for Peace and High Performance".
> >
> > You also know that the current UN Secretary-General, the
> > Portuguese António Guterres (who happens to have been my
> > companion in high school and at the University), recently
> > convened a UN climate summit.
> >
> > You, my friends, do not ignore too the dramatic situation of
> > the climate and the Earth, nor that our children and grand
> > children may not have a planet to live in, as, at least for
> > the moment, there is no other planet with the necessary
> > conditions for life...
> >
> > Today, in a private mail exchange, it occurred to me to
> > challenge you, based on what HO once did: to do, all over the
> > world where there are facilitators, public OST sessions on
> > climate change and what needs to be done to alleviate the
> > problems.
> >
> > Each of us will know better, in every concrete situation, who
> > to invite and what concrete goals to make 

Re: [OSList] Organizational Open Space and Agile Software Development

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Thanks Jake, very useful comparison. It helps to clarify the similarities
(and differences) between the two approaches
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Il giorno ven 27 set 2019 alle ore 03:09 Jake Yeager via OSList <
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> Hey everyone,
>
> I've drafted a presentation
> 
> comparing organizational Open Space to agile software development. Others
> have mentioned how similar they are, so I wanted to understand for myself.
>
> Feel free to use the presentation. Also, I enabled comments if you want to
> provide feedback. Feedback is definitely welcome!
>
> Also, thank you Birgitt and Marai for your responses regarding the case
> studies. Will respond this weekend.
>
> Much love,
> Jake
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> 
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2019 - Save the Date - Oct 25-27

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

* Same for me - need info about accommodation and travel to the venue*

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Il giorno lun 15 lug 2019 alle ore 09:46 Jon Harvey (Jon Harvey Associates
Ltd) via OSList  ha scritto:

> Hiya
>
> I am just looking into coming to this - but please can anyone direct me
> towards information about accommodation options. Thank you!
>
> sincerely yours
>
> Jon
> 
>
> Jon Harvey
> *Leadership & Organisational Development adviser*
>
> Have you read my new book *'Cracking QUESTIONS'* yet?
> ... it could just change the way you do business forever ...
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> Contact details: *jonharveyassociates.co.uk/contact
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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 18:57, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Sounds great! Hope to be there.
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
>> Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
>> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 1:47 AM
>> To: Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList
>> Cc: Michael M Pannwitz
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2019 - Save the Date - Oct 25-27
>>
>> Yes, grand, thanks, see you there...
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 24.03.2019 um 05:47 schrieb Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList:
>> > Save the Date! October 25-27, Friday through Sunday
>> >
>> > For the World Open Space on Open Space 2019
>> >
>> > In Cherry Hill Park, 980 Cherry Hill Road, College Park, Maryland
>> > (30-45 minutes from Washington, DC and both airports.)
>> >
>> > Thursday Evening Gathering and Story Telling
>> >
>> > More details (and invitations) to come...
>> >
>> > Your Truly,
>> >  From the Board of the Open Space Institute, U.S.
>> >
>> > Karen J. Davis, Suzanne Daigle, Barry Owen, Harold Shinsato,
>> > Kevin O'Brien, Mark Sheffield, Myriane Ouellette
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Re: [OSList] OST meeting for ca. 500 people

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Ciao Wojciech,

I did a coouple of 500 participants OS last year.
A lot of learnings about space, breakouts, reporting, ., if you like we
can have a skype call
in the next days on that
ciao
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Il giorno mer 26 giu 2019 alle ore 15:32 Wojciech Zawisz via OSList <
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> Hi.
> I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue requirements
> for OST event for ca. 500 people.
> How much space (m2) is minimum?
> What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration,
> so event would be safe and valuable for all participants?
> I would appreciate your thoughts.
> Thank you,
>
> Wojtek
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Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 97, Issue 13

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

CIao Allie, nice to read you here.
This is what I know

Save the Date! October 25-27, Friday through Sunday

For the World Open Space on Open Space 2019

In Cherry Hill Park, 980 Cherry Hill Road, College Park, Maryland
(30-45 minutes from Washington, DC and both airports.)

Thursday Evening Gathering and Story Telling

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Il giorno gio 16 mag 2019 alle ore 17:45 Allie Middleton via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:

> ola, greetings!
>
> could someone kindly post the DC/October OS on OS registration info here,
> pls?
>
>  thank you
>
> *Allie Middleton *
> *Create it! ...an extra miracle, extra and ordinary: the unthinkable can
> be embodied in action!*
>
> Vimeo short on Social Presencing Theatre: https://vimeo.com/314787723
>
> On May 16, 2019, at 11:31, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Wow. Boise. What prompted that move?
>
> C
>
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> On May 16, 2019, at 4:12 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mark,
>
>
> I assume that its not distraction that prevents people from listening.
>
> My observation is that the reaction time to stuff we hear or observe is so
> short that it can not come from the active brain. Its mostly a reflex,
> sometimes deeply conditioned, that triggers the inactive brain to suggest
> an answer at the speed of light (at least much faster than we can think).
> One might get some control over this mindless, thoughtless reflexive mode
> by  consciously counting to three (slowly), about the time needed for the
> active mind to come up with something other than a reflex which is not
> chosen by the active brain, but forced upon us.
>
>
> have a great day
>
> mmp
>
>
> Am 16.05.2019 um 02:41 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList:
>
> That is right Harrison Owen it IS in the book.  THE Bible  Of cooperation
> communication and collaboration the highest life forms of the human spirit.
> When I set the world record you know open space in 1993 for convening the
> largest conference in the world at that time of 700 people I was scared to
> death and I followed The Bible. Now 26 years later  Segments of our
> community school system have been transformed  Significantly for the better
> with incredible success stories by the people who acted to step up and take
> responsibility.   One of the problems in our world right now is people are
> so distracted they don't  Listen or try to understand. It's in the book.
>
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Re: [OSList] WOSonOS 2020 in Berlin

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

That's a great news Jo!!!
It will be great to see you all again
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Il giorno gio 25 ott 2018 alle ore 14:55 Jo Toepfer via OSList <
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> I just received a message from Iceland: Our invitation was accepted and
> WOSonOS 2020 will take place in Berlin, Germany. After 2000 and 2010 it
> will be the third time for Berlin to be the host city. This time Julia,
> Juliane, Dietmar and me will be the core host team and many others will
> assist to make this journey a fruitful experience for all participants. We
> hope to see you in Berlin in 2020.
>
> Greetings
> Jo
>
>
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Re: [OSList] Unfinished Business....

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Dear Harrison and all.

Back from holidays, I took the time to read the "attached".



The Bible as a piece of technology.

The recurring chaordic path of the Testaments.

The importance of the "editor", of setting the context and naming the
creatures.

The karma of our lives that links the Vanderbilt Master's Thesis to the two
Martinis,

the life of a single person to the one of an entire community.

The pure essence of life is to be an unfinished business



Thanks for sharing this.

With a deep sense of gratitude

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Il giorno mer 29 ago 2018 alle ore 03:09 Harrison Owen via OSList <
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> This summer, I have been thinking about what I have not been able to do.
> Turns out to be a lot, but two things in particular. I have pulled it all
> together in a paper (attached). Please feel free to jump in where you might
> be contributory, and pass it along to whomsoever.
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Re: [OSList] Lisa Heft?

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Thanks Michael,

that's a good news.
I miss her posts here on the list.
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Il giorno lun 9 lug 2018 alle ore 15:26 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Dear Harrison,
>
> I opened up her profile on the Open Space World Map, dialed her number
> and we talked a bit > http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/lisa-heft
>
> Seems she is not travelling much any more, just like me but alive and
> kicking.
>
> Have a great day in your summer office
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> Am 09.07.2018 um 13:29 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList:
> > Has anybody seen or heard from Lisa Heft?
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Re: [OSList] Exit, Voice, and Loyalty - Wikipedia

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

This is an excellent book Skye - actually is about consumers' behaviour but
of course exit, voice and loyalty are tyhigs that you see in an OST.
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2018-04-07 18:38 GMT+02:00 Skye Hirst via OSList <
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> Exit, Voice, and Loyalty - Wikipedia
>
> I love seeing this old book show up in Seth Godins blog check it out.
> Sounds a lot like OST; considerations competing needs to voice or exit or
> loyalty play on this dance of living open space
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit,_Voice,_and_Loyalty
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Re: [OSList] Love + detachment from outcome

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OSLEX in Iceland next november?
Please Kari and others let keep us posted!!!
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2017-09-05 7:59 GMT+02:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Liebe Anna,
>
> I know you will have a passionate involvement just as I have known you
> with your training crowd.
>
> In os speak its "fully present and utterly invisible" which translates
> also into passionately present and unattached to outcome.
>
> Love is it all the way down.
>
> Hugs from Berlin
> mmp
>
> PS: And let the crowd know that there is a European Open Space Learning
> Exchange in Iceland in November while the world crowd is gathering in
> Taiwan. More detail can be had from Kari Gunnarson and Hróbjartur Árnason
>
>> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/hrobjartur-arnason
>> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/kari-gunnarsson
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 05.09.2017 um 01:36 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList:
>
>> Anna – I think you may have misunderstood – at least me. Un-attached to
>> outcome (for sure), but PASSIONATELY attached to the freedom and dedication
>> to those who search for such an outcome. They alone, I believe, will ever
>> find the RIGHT conclusion for THEM.
>>
>> ho
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> 207 763-3261
>>
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>>
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>>
>> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Anna Caroline Türk via OSList
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 4, 2017 6:48 PM
>> *To:* OS international List
>> *Subject:* [OSList] Love + detachment from outcome
>>
>> Dear all!
>>
>> I am just picking my favorite part from the 'Open Space in
>> Charlottesville’ conversation - this part about LOVE, because I have been
>> contemplating this “love and detachment thing” in the last couple of weeks.
>>
>> It’s late at night here in Amsterdam, where I am getting ready to give an
>> open Space Training with Thomas Herrmann and Doris Gottlieb and should much
>> rather get some sleep. But hey, I am on fire.. ;)
>>
>> So let me share my thoughts:
>>
>> I have noticed, that even though Michael M Pannwitz, Yaari, Harrison you
>> have been so great teachers for me, standing for non attachment – I find
>> myself standing somewhere else.
>>
>> I am not detached. I am fiercely in love with Open Space and my clients,
>> I am engaged in helping them getting more aware of their limiting believes,
>> the ways how they sabotage themselves and others and how they think too
>> small, too negative, too positive, too lame.
>>
>> Yes, my love for Open Space and my clients is passionate, intense and
>> lasting. And yes, I will radiate that through my presence.
>>
>> That doesn’t mean that I  will talk more or louder or more intense.
>>
>> I don’t talk a lot at all - to be precise. But I will not leave my
>> passion outside the room. I will bring it all in and from that place of
>> total surrender to my passion for Open Space and my clients I will gently
>> and happily show up with all my love - for Open Space and the participants
>> who came to learn and remember and explore and discover more about Open
>> Space and themselves and the world and much much more…. including the power
>> of love and passion :)
>>
>> So yes, I am super excited and I hope to share more from the Open Space
>> Training - we’ll start on Wednesday.
>>
>> much Love
>>
>> Anna Caroline
>>
>> my inspiration from 'Open Space in Charlottesville’
>>
>> Birgitt Williams wrote:
>>
>> not so sure that there is such a thing as 'loving indifference'.
>>
>> Love ispassionate, creative, life force and more.
>>
>> Love plus detachment from outcome is a useful way for the facilitator to
>> be.
>>
>> However, there is nothing wrong with positive expectancy..for the
>> best possible outcomes, whatever they may be.
>>
>> I was picking up that it was not so useful to be in expectancy that
>> community OST may not lead to actions.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Birgitt
>>
>> photo
>>
>>
>>
>> *Anna Caroline Türk*
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>>
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>>
>>  > 

Re: [OSList] YES - IT'S ON - WOSONOS 2017!!

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Dear Gail. I would love to join WOSonOS but unfortunately I will not.
Have a great meeting and share share share
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2017-08-05 12:50 GMT+02:00 Gail West via OSList <
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> Lovely to meet and greet whoever comes!  How about you?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gail
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Gail,
>>
>> great invitation, warm, straight and simple.
>> Wishing you and everyone joining a wonderful time in October.
>>
>> I am sure there will be a participant from here to deliver the invitation
>> to the WOSonOS in 2020 in Berlin... as announced at the WOSonOS in Berlin
>> in 2010!
>>
>> Hugs and Peace
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 05.08.2017 um 09:59 schrieb Gail West via OSList:
>>
>>> YES - IT'S ON - WOSONOS 2017!!
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/ <
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/7189220743/>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's time to register for another annual gathering to explore the edges
>>> of Open Space -- and to push them out just a little bit further. Like
>>> Michael Herman, the 1999 Chicago host wrote, this is the place to laugh and
>>> learn -- with old friends and kindred spirits -- some of the most
>>> experienced Open Space practitioners on the planet and some of the most
>>> passionate new practitioners and explorers of Open Space. You needn't
>>> consider yourself an Open Space expert. It's enough to bring your passion,
>>> your experience and the story from just one place where you've opened the
>>> space -- or even a real situation where you are actively working now to
>>> open the space. But don't expect a training event, or conference, because
>>> that's not what this one is.
>>>
>>> WHERE
>>> The practitioners gathering will be at ShuiLiHui, right beside Tainan
>>> University and the 5 Concubines Temple, a 3 minute bike ride from Confucius
>>> Temple. This is Central Tainan in the historic area. On Google search
>>> "wosonos17."
>>>
>>> WHEN
>>> It'll be held Oct. 26-28.
>>> 9am to 6pm Thurs & Fri., and 9 to noon Saturday.
>>> The night before there'll be an informal gathering at a nearby sidewalk
>>> barbeque place.
>>>
>>> HOUSING
>>> Overseas visitors will have priority for on-site housing until September
>>> 15. There are 20 double rooms on site @ 500NTD/person. We held all rooms at
>>> the venue. (For reservations, email me) We've got a list of several other
>>> housing options. Trip Advisor & AirBnB work super well, too. The venue is a
>>> <100NTD taxi ride from every possible level of housing. We'll be happy to
>>> help folks find what works best for them. Easy peasy.
>>>
>>> Registration fee:
>>> This year the venue arrangements give us the space to offer a "pick your
>>> own price" registration. Price won't be an impediment for anyone. We
>>> recommend 150 USD. Each person tells us the price that works for them. Some
>>> people are joining our support team in exchange for free registration.We
>>> supply breakfast, lunch and snacks. For dinners, Tainan is FULL of great
>>> food. We'll hand out maps and lists.
>>>
>>> AGENDA
>>> Space opens 9am Thursday. Agenda Walls go from empty to full by about
>>> 10am. As usual, each person there is invited to host the topics that matter
>>> most to them, and we self-organize from there. It's fun. Be prepared to be
>>> surprised!
>>>
>>> It's the yearly "meeting of the tribe" - as several people in Manila
>>> last year expressed. We gather, we renew, we post and host topics, share
>>> stories and learnings, think through issues & opportunities in our
>>> practice. It's that simple.
>>>
>>> Please join us!
>>> ...and please do help spread the word to those people you know who will
>>> learn from and contribute to this worldwide open space gathering!
>>>
>>> Interested in coming?
>>> Say so here: https://goo.gl/forms/bVRV3ZAogKA5ZzD93 <
>>> https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2Fforms
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Re: [OSList] a substantial difference

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>> ParetoRealty.com <http://paretorealty.com/>
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>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Dan Mezick via OSList <oslist@lists.
>> openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait. Isnt the entire goal of inviting someone to go somewhere or do
>>> sometjing to engage them in the actvity? Perhaps a quick reference check on
>>> the definition of /invitation and /engagement might help?
>>>
>>> Do we really want people to show up and not engage or disengage?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:10 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList <
>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess one important point is the meaning of engagement itself - my
>>> personal feeling is that the word engagement incorporates a sort of
>>> judgement. Engagement in what? How can you say people is not engaged? And
>>> what does it mean engagement? Normally the translation of what a leader
>>> calls "lack of engagement" for me is "they are not doing what I think they
>>> should do".
>>>
>>> I think that the concept of engagement belongs to the traditional form
>>> of leadership and it's far away from the kind of leadership that can show
>>> up in an open space. It's a different paradigm based as MMP said on self
>>> organisation and on the invitation that as HO said is an invitation only if
>>> can be can be refused.
>>> ge
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>>> 2016-08-15 21:36 GMT+02:00 Birgitt Williams via OSList <oslist@lists.
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>>>
>>>> Great points about authentic invitation to engage...and cultural
>>>> differences. To this part of the conversation, I add the concept of
>>>> 'informed consent'. If I am extended an authentic invitation, and I reflect
>>>> about whether my energy feels in harmony with it or not, I have a certain
>>>> amount and quality of information that I need so that I am making an
>>>> authentic consent to show up and fully engage. What is the information that
>>>> I need so I can go beyond simply accepting the invitationto providing
>>>> informed consent? Even in cultures where there are reprisals for stepping
>>>> out as an individual, I may choose to participate based on informed consent
>>>> including of the risks to me.
>>>>
>>>> And to Michael's points about self organization...there is a
>>>> possibility of something that I don't call self organization. Within the
>>>> enabling conditions created for engagement, there are options for people to
>>>> feel inspired to access their personal leadership, alignment with the
>>>> collective vision, sense of being in community with each other and self
>>>> management. Spirit at workif through our personal leadership we allow
>>>> it to be so.
>>>>
>>>> There is a connection between authentic invitation, informed consent,
>>>> personal leadership for engagement, and allowing Spirit to do the work of
>>>> Spirit.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tha

Re: [OSList] a substantial difference

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

I guess one important point is the meaning of engagement itself - my
personal feeling is that the word engagement incorporates a sort of
judgement. Engagement in what? How can you say people is not engaged? And
what does it mean engagement? Normally the translation of what a leader
calls "lack of engagement" for me is "they are not doing what I think they
should do".

I think that the concept of engagement belongs to the traditional form of
leadership and it's far away from the kind of leadership that can show up
in an open space. It's a different paradigm based as MMP said on self
organisation and on the invitation that as HO said is an invitation only if
can be can be refused.
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2016-08-15 21:36 GMT+02:00 Birgitt Williams via OSList <
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> Great points about authentic invitation to engage...and cultural
> differences. To this part of the conversation, I add the concept of
> 'informed consent'. If I am extended an authentic invitation, and I reflect
> about whether my energy feels in harmony with it or not, I have a certain
> amount and quality of information that I need so that I am making an
> authentic consent to show up and fully engage. What is the information that
> I need so I can go beyond simply accepting the invitationto providing
> informed consent? Even in cultures where there are reprisals for stepping
> out as an individual, I may choose to participate based on informed consent
> including of the risks to me.
>
> And to Michael's points about self organization...there is a possibility
> of something that I don't call self organization. Within the enabling
> conditions created for engagement, there are options for people to feel
> inspired to access their personal leadership, alignment with the collective
> vision, sense of being in community with each other and self management.
> Spirit at workif through our personal leadership we allow it to be so.
>
> There is a connection between authentic invitation, informed consent,
> personal leadership for engagement, and allowing Spirit to do the work of
> Spirit.
>
> Warmly,
> Birgitt
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for this conversation.
>>
>> "*having the conditions for engagement*" is definitely about "*​an
>> authentic invitation to engage*" and I think it is much more than that
>> as well.
>>
>> For me it brings in the history and experience of the participants, and
>> what sort of experiences they have had. It also brings in culture and what
>> participants are used to. I live/work in a country where taking initiative
>> was a no-no for 60 years. I have also worked in countries where stepping
>> out as an individual is seen as very dangerous.
>>
>> So creating the conditions for engagement and personal leadership is a
>> really deep question!
>>
>>
>> Smiles Bhav...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 August 2016 at 22:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Birgitt, Harrison, Eva for this question!
>>>
>>> Engagement is considered very valuable. There's been an annual gallup
>>> poll around U.S. employee engagement levels, and the latest one shows it's
>>> only 32%. They're participating as employees, but they're not really
>>> showing up. http://www.gallup.com/poll/188144/employee-engagement-
>>> stagnant-2015.aspx
>>>
>>> Gallup has estimated the cost of this lack of engagement is "$450
>>> billion to $550 billion in lost productivity per year".
>>> http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/162953/tackle-
>>> employees-stagnating-engagement.aspx
>>>
>>> I'm not the origin of this story, and I doubt it really started with the
>>> formal use of Open Space in bringing Agile practices into software
>>> organizations (thank you Daniel Mezick!), but engagement is really
>>> considered critical in getting a successful and lasting shift towards agile
>>> processes and an agile mindset.
>>>
>>> Although Open Space doesn't guarantee engagement, it does prevent a
>>> critical factor in this lack of engagement. Which is enforced
>>> participation. Open Space helps show how space actually is open for people
>>> to step forward for what they love as an act of service (thank you Peggy
>>> Holman for showing me this way of thinking about Open Space).
>>>

Re: [OSList] Spanish Version of the Task Cards to set up an os-event

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

WOSonOS 2020 in Berlin!!! It sounds like a great appointment.
ciao
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2016-05-29 1:25 GMT+02:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Dear Jaime,
>
> it seems that there is no Spanish version of the Task Cards, yet.
>
> Maria in Donostia/San Sebastian is going to produce a Spanish version.
>
> Of course, you could also produce a Bolivian (and other countries in the
> vicinity) version. It would be neat to have one in your part of the
> Americas.
> In fact, I always suggest to colleagues wanting to do a translation to not
> do a "translation" but rather create Task Cards on the background of their
> experience in their concrete environment, also taking into account the
> local ressources.
> While the forces of selforganisation are universal the Task Cards (and the
> Users Guide) deal with many facets that are similar in various cultures and
> languages but still vary enough to make it worth while to have various
> versions.
>
> Of course, it does no harm to mention the origin of the Task Cards idea
> but that is not a prerequisite for taking them as a starting point in
> creating other versions as in Spanish, Basque, etc.
>
> As far as I can tell, there are now versions in Chinese, Dutch, English,
> German, Italian, Polish, Ukrainian... and probably some more (French?)...
> lets hear of them.
>
> At the WOSonOS in 2020 in Berlin (remember there have been WOSonOSes in
> Berlin in 2000 and 2010 with me inviting at the opening of the WOSonOS in
> 2010 to come and meet in Berlin again in 2020), ok. at that WOSonOS, I will
> convene a session on the theme "Task Cards around our planet" and set up an
> exhibition of all existing versions at that time and, of course, ask Lisa
> to lovingly auction them off.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> On 21.05.2016 01:57, Jaime Pedreros Fitzgerald Pedreros Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> My dear colleagues,
>>
>> I am not sure whether there is a Spanish version of the Task Cards; but
>> if you let me know where I can found them in English I will be more than
>> happy to translate them for all of you. Just give a me a reasonable
>> deadline starting by next Wednesday May 18th when I will finish my
>> present job assignment.
>>
>> Have a great hug from increasingly chilling La Paz.
>>
>> Jaime (Bolivia)
>>
>
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Re: [OSList] Spanish Version of the Task Cards to set up an os-event

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There should be an italian version somewhere as well in your office - for
sure one is in mine
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2016-05-20 22:20 GMT+02:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
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> Dear LIST,
>
> the Donostia crowd wants to bring the Task Cards into Spanish and Basque.
> Somehow I think there is a Spanish version.
> Anybody know of this?
> Let me know.
>
> The Polish, English and German version can be seen here
>
>> http://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
>>
>
> And if you come to my office, you will see the Chinese and the Ukrainian
> in my bookshelve (will definitely make you sit down and have some coffee
> and stay a while if you make it here).
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
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Re: [OSList] New Years Questions

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​
Sitting the question is the very heart of active listening, and certainly
the way to practice it.
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2016-01-07 17:27 GMT+01:00 Harrison Owen via OSList <
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> Sitting the Question is a wonderful approach, I've found. No rushing off to
> find the "answer" -- but just relish the question. Odd sounding, I guess,
> but my experience has been that if you sit the question, all those
> "answers"
> you first came up with look pretty trivial. And to cover another base --
> One
> way of describing what "holding space" might be is that we are "sitting the
> question" for the whole crowd.
>
> And oh... by the way, I guess a degree of senility helps.
>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 9:33 AM
> To: Harrison Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Subject: Re: [OSList] New Years Questions
>
> Dear HO,
>
> I am asking a question intrigued by "sitting".
> How come I tend to find answers to my questions when those asked by me just
> sit there and kind of look remote or something?
>
> cheers
> mmp
>
> On 07.01.2016 15:02, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
> > Bhavesh... I'm sure culture has something to do with the way we
> > handle, appreciate questions. But at the end of the day, I suspect it
> > has more to do with maturity (some might say antiquity) than culture.
> > In West Africa, the Elders' job is to ponder the question. And more
> > often than not, their "answer" is another question. Buddhism,  in
> > various forms seems to find real meaning in "sitting" the question.
> > Old and/or mature folks seem to do it "best." Or something.
> >
> > ho
> >
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> > 7808 River Falls Drive
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> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >
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> > 189 Beaucaire Ave.
> >
> > Camden, ME 04843
> >
> > 207-763-3261
> >
> > Websites
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> > *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *Bhavesh Patel via OSList
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2016 6:15 AM
> > *To:* Harold Shinsato; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] New Years Questions
> >
> > Hey Harold and World,
> >
> > Merry Orthodox Christmas from Moldova where it has been snowing all
> day!!!
> >
> > Your question triggered a different kind of questionING in me.
> > Personally I find questions/inquiry and Rilke's 'Live the questions now'
> > approach very useful.
> >
> > *However my increasing sensitivity to culture makes me wonder whether
> > this approach works for everybody, or whether it is a cultural thing,
> > fitting more an inquiring Western culture? Sometimes do we
> > overemphasise this approach, use it in a kind of universal way?*
> >
> > I have my own answers/experiences to the above questions but of course
> > won't share them because you asked for questions!
> >
> > Smiles Bhav...
> >
> > p.s. Harold, we met at the WOSonOS in London and talked a bit about
> > complexity and Cynefin...
> >
> > On 2 January 2016 at 23:58, Harold Shinsato via OSList
> >  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Beloved Open Space Community!
> >
> > Instead of sharing New Years Resolutions (which never seemed to have
> > worked for me), would you share your New Years Questions? In other
> > words, what are the most alive and juicy questions and inquiries you
> > might ask the Universe in 2016?
> >
> > As a part of this invitation, I'm specifically *not* asking for
> > answers, nor would it be appropriate for me or others to answer any of
> > these questions in this thread. If you want to ask a question and get
> > an 

[OSList] R: Re: Skye Solstice Sparks

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Happening and happiness.
Never thought about the similarity of this words
Thanks
Ge



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 Messaggio originale Da: Carmela Ariza via 
OSList  Data:22/12/2015  02:59  
(GMT+01:00) A: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
, Skye Hirst , World 
wide Open Space Technology email list  
Oggetto: Re: [OSList] Skye Solstice Sparks 
What a beautiful poem skye...

True happiness is a state of mind.
Happiness is not a consequence of things that happen. 
Do not pursue happiness - practice it. 
Sing, even if you do not sound good. 
Smile, even when things go wrong. 
Create happiness, and happy you will be.



From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList 
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
; Skye Hirst  
Sent: Monday, 21 December 2015, 18:25
Subject: Re: [OSList] Skye Solstice Sparks

Dear Skye, like a shining star, your poetry twinkles in the night. 
Wishing it will continue to brighten our days and open recesses in our heart by 
appearing here more often in 2016!
Suzanne
On this darkest day of Solstice as we turn  back to the light in this 
hemisphere, this poem popped out.  It speaks in some way to how I experience 
OST and the ever opening s(S)elf-knowing process it offers.  Thank you one and 
all for contributions/participations by those visible and invisible from far 
and wide in this grand open spacing process, of  being and becoming...
 
Dark, a spark
In the dark
Light knowing dark
Dark sensing light
Each recognizing
Other
Not as thing apart
One or other
Both being and becoming
Awareness
Knowing of full Self


-- 
Skye Hirst, PhD
President - The Autognomics Institute
Conversations in Radical Self-Knowing
www.autognomics.org
@autognomics 

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Re: [OSList] Mercedes China

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Thanks Yaari,

thanks a lot for all these information
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2015-11-11 12:47 GMT+01:00 yaari pannwitz via OSList <
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> yes, i believe this is the event this thread is about.
>
> also the picture gail west sent is the same event. the picture was also
> posted by narayan silva himself, who did the drawing (big picture in the
> back).
>
> on facebook he introduced the picture with the following text:
>
> Meet China's Premier, Mr. Li Keqiang, and behind him a drawing made by me
> and my amazing team!
>
> China never stops being full of crazy surprises. Here is the short version
> of this story: yesterday morning, while we were hosting an incredible 1 and
> 1/2 day Open Space for Daimler/Mercedes-Benz, the Mayor of Beijing showed
> up out of nowhere(!). He was walking around and saw the big Graphic
> Facilitation poster that was still being worked on. He not only loved it,
> but requested that the finished drawing should stay, so China's Premier
> could see it during his visit to the same "innovation café" on the next
> day. So this morning the people from the café decided that the drawing
> should be placed as the background while Li Keqiang was there. And now our
> drawing is all over the news in China!!
>
> So much love, respect and gratitude to Steve Ryman
> <https://www.facebook.com/sryman1>, Ann Wang
> <https://www.facebook.com/ann.wang.771>, Simon Kubski
> <https://www.facebook.com/simonkubski>, Miren Castilla
> <https://www.facebook.com/miren.castillaibarguren> and all the special
> people that keep holding space for us from every corner of the world!
>
> ***
>
> narayan and his friend and colleague from italy (marco valente) both
> dropped by during the open space harrison facilitated together with ms song
> in beijing.
>
> the open space was quite something and a good opportunity to meet ms song
> and harrison and to experience os as a participant yet again (… it has been
> a while) … apart from the 3 words of chinese that i barely speak.
>
> … and beijing is a very special place and an adventure itself.
>
> best
>
> yaari
>
>
>
> On 11.11.2015, at 08:48, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList wrote:
>
> Is this the event we are talking about
> <http://blog.daimler.de/2015/05/13/lets-land-on-open-space/>??
> ge
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>
>> Sorry Gerado... don’t remember the name. Never saw him before, but I do
>> recall that he came from the south – but where I don’t know. Nice fellow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Harrison
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Re: [OSList] Mercedes China

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Yes happy birthday Harrison - enjoy china.
Here in Italy I have photos of a former prime minister and of I guess three
different ministers moving in an open space
with the famous sign, but of course the Premier of chine is an abolute
world record.
 I'm also curious about the italian guy, do you know his name?
all the best
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2015-11-09 22:25 GMT+01:00 Christine Whitney Sanchez via OSList <
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> Happy birthday, Harrison
>
> Christine
>
> Christine Whitney Sanchez
> www.innovationpartners.com
> +1.480.882.8281
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> While I was having fun with Mrs. Song and all of her guests in Beijing, a
> funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes head office
> for China was having a big do and some significant part of it was all in
> Open Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn’t know,
> dropped by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were
> somehow responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I do know the
> Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of
> Beijing was present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because then
> the Premier of China showed up. And of course the Press was in attendance.
> Anyhow the evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier
> in Open Space, surrounded by the appropriate signs, I’m told. Of course I
> couldn’t read them, but I did see the pictures.
>
>
>
> Harrison
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Re: [OSList] Mercedes China

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Is this the event we are talking about
<http://blog.daimler.de/2015/05/13/lets-land-on-open-space/>??
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2015-11-10 20:47 GMT+01:00 Harrison Owen via OSList <
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> Sorry Gerado... don’t remember the name. Never saw him before, but I do
> recall that he came from the south – but where I don’t know. Nice fellow.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
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>
> 7808 River Falls Drive
>
> Potomac, MD 20854
>
> 301-365-2093
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>
>
> Summer Address
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> Yes happy birthday Harrison - enjoy china.
> Here in Italy I have photos of a former prime minister and of I guess
> three different ministers moving in an open space
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> funny thing was happening nearby. It seems that the Mercedes head office
> for China was having a big do and some significant part of it was all in
> Open Space. I only learned of it when two gentlemen, whom I didn’t know,
> dropped by. One was from Brazil, and the other from Italy and they were
> somehow responsible. Talk about not having all the facts! But I do know the
> Mercedes gathering was a pretty big deal, if only because the Mayor of
> Beijing was present. And that was just the tip of the iceberg because then
> the Premier of China showed up. And of course the Press was in attendance.
> Anyhow the evening news (Chinese TV version) was replete with the Premier
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Re: [OSList] CALL FOR ACTION

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Count me in as well.
I have heard that also future search community is going to do something on
this issue

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2015-09-09 10:49 GMT+02:00 Hege Steinsland via OSList <
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> I´m in as well, here in Norway!
> My next step here is to ask for a meeting with the people working with
> refuges in my municipality. I´ve talked to them about the opportunities in
> Open Space before, and I will check if NOW is THE RIGTH TIME for them to
> sponsor an Open Space meeting here to be abel to talk together, «prepare
> ourselves to be surprised», and also to start practicing Open Space - we
> might need it a lot in times to come.
>
> I´m glad you all are there - we are not alone in this!
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> Al the best
> Hege
> 9. sep. 2015 kl. 01:17 skrev Alan Stewart via OSList <
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> Congratulations Thomas on your initiative in inviting our worldwide OST
> community to grasp the opportunity to bring what we can to enable the
> integration of people from different countries and cultures constructively
> and joyfully.
>
>
> Likely it is that what you have sparked will take root in Sweden and in
> other countries, among them being those represented by participants – in
> person and virtually – at the WOSonOS in Krakow shortly.
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>
> Looking forward to seeing and being party to what emerges.
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> Go well all
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> See: Conversare  for a related way of hosting
> engaging among strangers.
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> On 9 September 2015 at 05:50, Thomas Herrmann via OSList <
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>> "Open Space people of the World", there is a big opportunity for us to
>> serve humanity. The current refugee crises in Europe/the World creates a
>> question:
>> *HOW CAN WE DO THE MOST FROM THIS OPPORTUNITY?*
>> We are the people who have been preparing for these times, having
>> received and nurtured the gift of Open Space Technology for many years. I
>> have made a decision. I do have the passion and I am ready to take
>> responsibility. I know that OST can bring out the best in people, so let's
>> do it!
>> My next step is to invite "Open Space people" in Sweden to explore what
>> and how we can do.
>>
>> I call for action in other countries too.
>>
>> Will you join me?
>>
>> 
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[OSList] Missing krakow

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My dear friends and polish colleagues.
I will not be in Krakow this year - too busy after a long summer to come to
poland. Enjoy, work, have good time and think that a lot of us will be in
spirit with you all. I will try on friday (tomorrow will not be possible
for me) to connect via the virtual channel - curious to see how it works
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Re: [OSList] Inviting non-invitation

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An invitation is "an invitation" if and only if you can refuse it.
This is the core of it's relation with things like boundaries, constraints,
power and control.
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2015-09-02 0:26 GMT+02:00 David Osborne via OSList <
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> Building on the constraints conversation.Another lens I look at this same
> dynamic through is control. When leaders are establishing constraints they
> are often doing so to try to control the situation or outcome. When control
> is to tight it inhibits the innovation and emergence that can flow form
> self-organization. Similarly no boundaries can leave a system to loose for
> self-organization to coalesce around emerging innovation and so cohesion is
> less likely.
>
> My thoughts along the way.
>
> Enjoying the conversation.
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> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Harrison via OSList <
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>> Here’s a thought... Space/time is infinite, defined by our minds, and
>> limited by our imagination. So “constraints” are only what you make them
>> out to be. AND... it is always nice to have as much “space/time” as
>> possible. A “genuine invitation” creates a LOT of space/time.
>>
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>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 01, 2015 1:15 PM
>> *To:* Chris Corrigan; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Inviting non-invitation
>>
>>
>>
>> People who write sonnets accept constraints.  monks and nuns accept
>> constraints.  Musicians accept constraints.  Athletes accept constraints.
>> People who live on islands accept constraints.  The idea here is that in
>> accepting sometimes extremely limiting constraints, you are forced to go
>> deeper in your work.  AS a manager if you also offer invitations into a
>> constrained space, you may indeed create the conditions for some amazing
>> things to happen.  “You have $3000 to work with on your prototype, but you
>> have to work with two other people and get it done in two days.  Do you
>> accept this invitation?  OK! Go!”
>>
>>
>>
>> yes!  and there is the chance to notice that there can be a difference
>> between a manager imposing random constraints versus clearly articulating
>> and/or translating the constraints that ARE already existing in the
>> environment.  there is also the possibility for managers to overreact in
>> the transmitting of environment to system, to editorialize and use outside
>> forces as excuses for imposing constraints.  people can opt in to
>> constraints that are randomly or otherwise badly articulated, but i think
>> the ideal to strive for is the very cleanest transmission of the bigger
>> picture environmental constraints.  the practice of invitation is a kind of
>> search for truth(s) about what is.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Chris Corrigan via OSList <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> My pithy statement about how self-organization works was not meant to be
>> a tossed off reduction, but rather it has important consequences for
>> managing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Enabling constraints can indeed be very rigid.  And in accepting the
>> invitation to step into that container, one can make a conscious choice to
>> confront the stress and see what comes of it.  Deadlines, limited
>> resources, restrictive mandates, policies and procedures are all
>> constraints that are “forced’ upon people at work.  As a manager you can
>> always frame these as an invitation: “your mission, should you choose to
>> accept it, is…”  As a participant you can choose to accept it. Or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> People who write sonnets accept constraints.  monks and nuns accept
>> constraints.  Musicians accept 

Re: [OSList] I appreciate your feedback

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Hi Augustin,

first of all a question: in your mail you talk about a 3 days event, than
the programme you drafted here it's 1 day and a half. Is anything missing
in the programme?

By the way my first simple comment is try to reduce the time for the 1
plenary - 1 hour can be enough (or maybe 1 hour 15) and give more time to
conversations. Second comment is that grief work is very unlikely to end
according to your schedule - it will last till it will be over by itself.
If I were you I will probably use day 1 for conversations, and morning of
day 2 for convergency - being aware that probably some more work will be
needed in the follow up of the event

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2015-05-05 6:23 GMT+02:00 agusj via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org:

 Hello,

 I would appreciate a lot your feedback about the design that I am working
 on for a 3-day OS event (115 pax) that will take place next week. The
 objective is to redesign the credit process of a Development Bank and
 defining the action plan to implement it. I have been thinking that the
 event should have two stages. The first 12 hours are for OS (1. stage), the
 next 10 hours for process redesign and action plan, and the last to hours
 for closing circle and celebration (2. stage). What I have observed and as
 far as I understand, the divergent process and the grief work happen during
 the first half of an Open Space, and over the next half of the event happen
 the convergent process and the creative work. Due to the time restriction I
 designed this schedule:

 Day 1Time


 Opening circle8:00 a.m.8:30 a.m.Agenda8:30 a.m.9:15 a.m.Markeplace9:15
 a.m.9:45 a.m.Conversation 19:45 a.m.10:30 a.m.
 Conversation 2
 10:35 a.m.11:20 a.m.
 Conversation 3
 11:25 a.m.12:05 p.m.
 Conversation 4
 12:10 p.m.12:55 p.m.Closing circle1:00 p.m.2:00 p.m.Lunch2:00 p.m.3:00
 p.m.Opening circle3:00 p.m.3:15 p.m.Agenda3:15 p.m.3:45 p.m.Marketplace3:45
 p.m.4:15 p.m.
 Conversation 5
 4:15 p.m.5:00 p.m.
 Day 2
 Time


 Opening Circle8:15 a.m.8:25 a.m.
 Conversation 6
 8:30 a.m.9:20 a.m.
 Conversation 7
 9:25 a.m.10:15 a.m.
 Conversation 8
 10:20 a.m.11:10 a.m.Closing circle11:15 a.m.
 12:30 p.m.
 Lunch

 Because I see the first 12 hours as only one process, the idea is to
 balance the time for divergence and convergence. The reason why I include a
 closing circle before the lunch of the first day is because my bet is to
 close the grief work at that time, in order to develop the creative work
 during the afternoon and the next morning. That's why I open the afternoon
 with an opening circle followed by agenda and marketplace, and I do not
 close the day with a closing circle in order to have time for one
 conversation before the end of the day. The reason why the opening circle
 of the second day is very short is because it is only for the news and the
 welcome.

 Best Regards,

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Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation

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Facts of life
I love it!!!
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2015-01-22 21:55 GMT+01:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
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 Dear Harold,

 One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than
 the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life).

 When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself:
 In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold
 more freely.

 Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my
 perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be.
 Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a
 totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess.

 My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or
 sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it
 being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found
 myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the
 facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other
 words my time to deal with my issues was decreased.

 I remember, however, that my own experience as a 
 participant/sponsor/facilitator
 (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was
 very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in
 English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without
 words and plenty of pantomine.

 In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in
 replicating it, that is I did not add any of it.

 In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but
 being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience
 in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until
 someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes
 and we practiced this many times.

 The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the
 WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in
 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK.
 At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring,
 non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control,
 with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as
 close to invisible and still with utter presence...

 Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in
 Krakow/Poland in September
 mmp

 On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:

 I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was
 delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had
 different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida
 WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014
 Opening Space for Peace  High Performance had different facilitators,
 and so did the one this year - including different people for the
 evening news.

 I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details
 of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But
 this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC
 Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles
 to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked
 brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a
 traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some
 spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked
 really well. Kudos to Tom Brown.

 Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual
 facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers
 or to the actual circle itself?

  Thanks!
  Harold

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Re: [OSList] Delegating Open Space Facilitation

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Facts of life
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2015-01-22 21:55 GMT+01:00 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
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 Dear Harold,

 One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than
 the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life).

 When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself:
 In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold
 more freely.

 Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my
 perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be.
 Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a
 totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess.

 My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or
 sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it
 being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found
 myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the
 facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other
 words my time to deal with my issues was decreased.

 I remember, however, that my own experience as a 
 participant/sponsor/facilitator
 (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was
 very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in
 English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without
 words and plenty of pantomine.

 In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in
 replicating it, that is I did not add any of it.

 In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but
 being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience
 in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until
 someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes
 and we practiced this many times.

 The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the
 WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in
 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK.
 At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring,
 non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control,
 with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as
 close to invisible and still with utter presence...

 Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in
 Krakow/Poland in September
 mmp

 On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:

 I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was
 delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had
 different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida
 WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014
 Opening Space for Peace  High Performance had different facilitators,
 and so did the one this year - including different people for the
 evening news.

 I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details
 of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But
 this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC
 Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles
 to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked
 brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a
 traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some
 spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked
 really well. Kudos to Tom Brown.

 Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual
 facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers
 or to the actual circle itself?

  Thanks!
  Harold

 --
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 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
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Facts of life
I love it!!!
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 Dear Harold,

 One Less Thing to do appears to me to be more of a principle than
 the 4 or 5 principles many of us invoke (I call them Facts of Life).

 When the isssue of whatever I want to NOT do any more, I ask myself:
 In which way does this support the force of selforganisation to unfold
 more freely.

 Asking that question myself, I might come to a conclusion that fits my
 perception of how effective not doing a particular whatever might be.
 Another facilitator (or participant or sponsor or) might come to a
 totally different conclusion. Also valid, is my guess.

 My own experience in the role of participant has been that delegation or
 sharing of tasks or having more than one facilitator (regardless of it
 being a 4 hour os or a multiple day event) destracted me in that I found
 myself trying to figure out why this was done. It did not shorten the
 facilitation nor did it make the facilitators more invisible, in other
 words my time to deal with my issues was decreased.

 I remember, however, that my own experience as a 
 participant/sponsor/facilitator
 (especially at the Practice of Peace event in Berlin with Harrison) was
 very positive at the time with Harrison doing the facilitation on Day 1 in
 English, Anna Gochtchinskaia on Day 2 in Russian, and me on Day 3 without
 words and plenty of pantomine.

 In the many years of my facilitation life thereafter, I never engaged in
 replicating it, that is I did not add any of it.

 In another setting, where I was sponsor/participant/facilitator but
 being together with others in the same role and everyone with experience
 in the various roles, we practiced sitting in silence in the circle until
 someone got up and announced the first issue. It took about 5 to 7 minutes
 and we practiced this many times.

 The facilitation that impressed me most was that of Larry Peterson at the
 WOSonOS (at that time those events had the name OSonOS) in Toronto in
 1997... one year after I had run into Harrison and Romy and OST in the UK.
 At first I felt that his facilitation was without charisma, non-inspiring,
 non-impressive... later I felt it had been non-invasive, without control,
 with no frills, humble, unattached, attentive, disciplined... simply as
 close to invisible and still with utter presence...

 Greetings from Berlin... looking forward to the next WOSonOS this year in
 Krakow/Poland in September
 mmp

 On 22.01.2015 15:01, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:

 I've been to several multi-day OST events where the facilitation was
 delegated. Peggy Holman's Journalism That Matters in Detroit had
 different facilitators that opened the space each morning. The Florida
 WOSonOS had different facilitators each morning as well. The 2014
 Opening Space for Peace  High Performance had different facilitators,
 and so did the one this year - including different people for the
 evening news.

 I, as facilitator for the opening and closing, had delegated the details
 of how you post sessions to a colleague for my Montana OST in 2013. But
 this year, Thomas Tom Brown, who opened the second day of the NYC
 Opening Space at International House 2015, delegated the five principles
 to the circle. I'd not seen that happen before, and it worked
 brilliantly. Beautifully. Some walked a circle in the middle, like a
 traditional OST facilitator. Some said something from their seats. Some
 spoke just a few seconds, some took a minute or two. But it worked
 really well. Kudos to Tom Brown.

 Will folks share how we can do one less thing, including the actual
 facilitation, and how it has worked to let that go to other organizers
 or to the actual circle itself?

  Thanks!
  Harold

 --
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 Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
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Re: [OSList] Open Space at Walt Disney Company

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Hi Harrison, the connection you did between Disney and Dalai Lama sounds
intriguing. Thanks for recalling me of the Accor case. It's interesting to
see what happened there with open space.
ciao
ge



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 I don’t know about Disney, but a friend who is writing a book with the
 Dali Lama’s brother recently told me, “You'll be happy to know that I
 introduced researchers at the Tibet Policy Institute in Dharamsala to Open
 Space.” I don’t know where this takes us... but...



 And it  did occur to me that the Disney folks might be interested in the
 ACCOR Hotels experience. Pretty ancient history, but fun for all of that,
 and ACCOR is one of the largest actors in the hospitality business. Details
 can be found in “Tales From Open Space” in the chapter by Christopher
 Schoch. For your very own copy click on
 http://openspaceworld.com/Tales.pdf  Good tale!



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 Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
 They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
 next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
 are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
 one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
 happened with me.
 Looking forward to hear from you
 have a nice day
 Ge



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Hi Harrison, the connection you did between Disney and Dalai Lama sounds
intriguing. Thanks for recalling me of the Accor case. It's interesting to
see what happened there with open space.
ciao
ge



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 I don’t know about Disney, but a friend who is writing a book with the
 Dali Lama’s brother recently told me, “You'll be happy to know that I
 introduced researchers at the Tibet Policy Institute in Dharamsala to Open
 Space.” I don’t know where this takes us... but...



 And it  did occur to me that the Disney folks might be interested in the
 ACCOR Hotels experience. Pretty ancient history, but fun for all of that,
 and ACCOR is one of the largest actors in the hospitality business. Details
 can be found in “Tales From Open Space” in the chapter by Christopher
 Schoch. For your very own copy click on
 http://openspaceworld.com/Tales.pdf  Good tale!



 Harrison



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 Potomac, MD 20854

 301-365-2093



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 Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
 They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
 next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
 are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
 one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
 happened with me.
 Looking forward to hear from you
 have a nice day
 Ge



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intriguing. Thanks for recalling me of the Accor case. It's interesting to
see what happened there with open space.
ciao
ge



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 I don’t know about Disney, but a friend who is writing a book with the
 Dali Lama’s brother recently told me, “You'll be happy to know that I
 introduced researchers at the Tibet Policy Institute in Dharamsala to Open
 Space.” I don’t know where this takes us... but...



 And it  did occur to me that the Disney folks might be interested in the
 ACCOR Hotels experience. Pretty ancient history, but fun for all of that,
 and ACCOR is one of the largest actors in the hospitality business. Details
 can be found in “Tales From Open Space” in the chapter by Christopher
 Schoch. For your very own copy click on
 http://openspaceworld.com/Tales.pdf  Good tale!



 Harrison



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 301-365-2093



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 Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
 They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
 next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
 are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
 one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
 happened with me.
 Looking forward to hear from you
 have a nice day
 Ge



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[OSList] Open Space at Walt Disney Company

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
happened with me.
Looking forward to hear from you
have a nice day
Ge

*Gerardo de Luzenberger*
*Mob: +39 3293281343*
*Tel: +39 02 89751746*
*Fax: +39 02 87151318 *
*Skype: gerardodeluz – *xge(at)loci.it x...@loci.it
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[OSList] Open Space at Walt Disney Company

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
happened with me.
Looking forward to hear from you
have a nice day
Ge

*Gerardo de Luzenberger*
*Mob: +39 3293281343*
*Tel: +39 02 89751746*
*Fax: +39 02 87151318 *
*Skype: gerardodeluz – *xge(at)loci.it x...@loci.it
*IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator*

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[OSList] Open Space at Walt Disney Company

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

Hi world. I have been contacted by Walt Disney company here in italy.
They are curious about open space and are thinking to use in one of the
next company gatherings in the next months. After some talks with me, They
are in the middle of their decision making process.  I'm wondering if some
one in our community has ever worked for them and would like to share what
happened with me.
Looking forward to hear from you
have a nice day
Ge

*Gerardo de Luzenberger*
*Mob: +39 3293281343*
*Tel: +39 02 89751746*
*Fax: +39 02 87151318 *
*Skype: gerardodeluz – *xge(at)loci.it x...@loci.it
*IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator*

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Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

YES Harold, you are doing a precious work for all of us
thank you
ge



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2014-09-24 22:27 GMT+02:00 karolina iwa via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org:

 thank you harold for your time, patience and persistence.
 it is very appreciated!

 karolina.

 

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 On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:22, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:

 Hi Harold,

 Thank you so much for all the work you are putting into this. In my inbox,
 the mail you sent was listed as coming from Harold Shinsato via OSList
 which I think is by all means acceptable.

 Koos

 Op 24 sep. 2014 om 22:06 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org het volgende geschreven:

 I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails, but
 it happened again.

 Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
 all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
 you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
 ... not much I say here will make any difference.

 But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
 inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
 Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
 and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
 them today. If you see this email - no action needed.

 The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
 called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
 http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690

 Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
 http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
 account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
 experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
 Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
 testing it.

 It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
 software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
 company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.

 Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.

 Regards,
 Harold


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 har...@shinsato.com
 http://shinsato.com
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Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

YES Harold, you are doing a precious work for all of us
thank you
ge



*Gerardo de Luzenberger*
*Mob: +39 3293281343*
*Tel: +39 02 89751746*
*Fax: +39 02 87151318 *
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*IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator*

*genius**loci *




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2014-09-24 22:27 GMT+02:00 karolina iwa via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org:

 thank you harold for your time, patience and persistence.
 it is very appreciated!

 karolina.

 

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 https://twitter.com/karolinaiwa I l
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 On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:22, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:

 Hi Harold,

 Thank you so much for all the work you are putting into this. In my inbox,
 the mail you sent was listed as coming from Harold Shinsato via OSList
 which I think is by all means acceptable.

 Koos

 Op 24 sep. 2014 om 22:06 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org het volgende geschreven:

 I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails, but
 it happened again.

 Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
 all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
 you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
 ... not much I say here will make any difference.

 But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
 inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
 Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
 and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
 them today. If you see this email - no action needed.

 The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
 called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
 http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690

 Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
 http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
 account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
 experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
 Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
 testing it.

 It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
 software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
 company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.

 Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.

 Regards,
 Harold


 --
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 har...@shinsato.com
 http://shinsato.com
 twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush

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Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

YES Harold, you are doing a precious work for all of us
thank you
ge



*Gerardo de Luzenberger*
*Mob: +39 3293281343*
*Tel: +39 02 89751746*
*Fax: +39 02 87151318 *
*Skype: gerardodeluz – *xge(at)loci.it x...@loci.it
*IAF: Certified Professional Facilitator*

*genius**loci *




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PROVINCIA DI MILANO **loci.it * http://www.loci.it– i...@loci.it*scrivici
i...@loci.it - le foto del nostro lavoro
http://www.flickr.com/photos/geniusloci/*

Scuola Superiore di Facilitazione http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it

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2014-09-24 22:27 GMT+02:00 karolina iwa via OSList 
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org:

 thank you harold for your time, patience and persistence.
 it is very appreciated!

 karolina.

 

 *karolina iwa*
 creativity  self-organisation
 blog http://www.karolinaiwa.com I twitter
 https://twitter.com/karolinaiwa I l
 http://de.linkedin.com/pub/karolina-iwa/58/9b6/403inkedin
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 D: +49 15774 932193
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 On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:22, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:

 Hi Harold,

 Thank you so much for all the work you are putting into this. In my inbox,
 the mail you sent was listed as coming from Harold Shinsato via OSList
 which I think is by all means acceptable.

 Koos

 Op 24 sep. 2014 om 22:06 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList 
 oslist@lists.openspacetech.org het volgende geschreven:

 I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails, but
 it happened again.

 Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
 all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
 you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
 ... not much I say here will make any difference.

 But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
 inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
 Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
 and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
 them today. If you see this email - no action needed.

 The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
 called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
 http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690

 Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
 http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
 account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
 experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
 Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
 testing it.

 It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
 software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
 company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.

 Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.

 Regards,
 Harold


 --
 Harold Shinsato
 har...@shinsato.com
 http://shinsato.com
 twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush

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