Hi Peggy. Thanks for sharing this article. In my experience tables like the IAP2 one are called "ladders of participation" and are referred to citizen participation. If you google ladder of participation <https://www.google.it/search?q=ladder+of+participation&num=30&safe=active&tbm=isch&imgil=1lrDg3QTd7YXfM%253A%253BkcKYsMubxkkFoM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Flithgow-schmidt.dk%25252Fsherry-arnstein%25252Fladder-of-citizen-participation.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=1lrDg3QTd7YXfM%253A%252CkcKYsMubxkkFoM%252C_&usg=__6juqIVMHCgWU3X80Ahn0Q46Euws%3D&biw=1280&bih=551&ved=0ahUKEwjog-X6j8jOAhUFBywKHeQhCRYQyjcIMg&ei=tyy0V6jMN4WOsAHkw6SwAQ#imgrc=4jdrehIgZpf8-M%3A> you will find several different versions of them. So my question at this point is: are participation and engagement the same things? ge
*PRIMA CONFERENZA ITALIANA FACILITATORI - MILANO 20 22 OTTOBRE 2016 <http://www.loci.it/?id=1795&s=2>* Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy Phone: +39 3293281343 - Fax: +39 02 87151318 - Skype: gerardodeluz *[email protected] <[email protected]>* - *www.loci.it <http://www.loci.it> * <http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it> *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), please notify it via e-mail at [email protected] <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:[email protected]> promptly 2016-08-16 20:31 GMT+02:00 Peggy Holman via OSList < [email protected]>: > The term engagement has entered into the world of journalism. About a year > ago, someone asked me to define what I thought it meant to journalists. So > I created a table with a continuum: https://medium.com/ > @PeggyHolman/what-do-journalists-mean-by-engagement-fc70d507d111#. > ie194m594 > > You’ll note something I stumbled across and reference in the table: a > spectrum of engagement developed by IAP2 - the International Association > for Public Participation. In short, they named five stops on their > spectrum: inform, consult, involve, collaborate, empower. I think their > hearts are in the right place, though I wouldn’t use the term empower > because it implies that someone is actually in a position to give power > away. I think it’s more about people remembering the power that they always > have should they choose to claim it. > > In any case, I was struck that what I found independently tracked with > what they had named. More on their spectrum is here > <http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/www.iap2.org/resource/resmgr/imported/IAP2%20Spectrum_vertical.pdf> > . > > Peggy > > > > _________________________________ > Peggy Holman > Executive Director > Journalism that Matters > 15347 SE 49th Place > Bellevue, WA 98006 > 425-746-6274 > www.journalismthatmatters.net > www.peggyholman.com > Twitter: @peggyholman > JTM Twitter: @JTMStream > > Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into > Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring via OSList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Reading your messages I have this questions > > And what means exactly to engage? > For me it is not a Yes or no answer, there are different levels and ways > to engage. > Just being present learning and listening is one of them... > Engagement with what exactly? It depends ...and is It normal, if you have > never been to an OS to decide first to go just to see what does that look > like? > Or how it works? > Just curiosity, at the beginning isn'it a first level of engagement?... > .And what if the level of trust is not high enough yet in that group? > > Adriana > > > 2016-08-16 8:09 GMT-05:00 Barry Owen via OSList <oslist@lists. > openspacetech.org>: > >> Of course, why would they show up if they had no intention to engage? >> >> and then there are bumblebees and butterflies who, by appearance, seldom >> seem to engage (with the group) at a deep level . . . >> >> yet they do have impact on the experience for everyone . . . >> >> So it's OK to show and engage - or not. >> >> I think . . . >> >> b >> >> >> *Barry Owen* >> *Real Estate Strategist* >> Founder/Principal Broker >> *Pareto Realty, LLC *\pə-ˈrā-(ˌ)tō\ >> <http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=bixpar02&word=Pareto&text=%5Cp%C9%99-%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%88%3C%2FSPAN%3Er%C4%81-(%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%8C%3C%2FSPAN%3E)t%C5%8D%5C> >> *The Vital Few* >> 4012 Hillsboro Pike #5 >> Nashville, TN 37215 >> Office: 615-502-2080 >> Connect: *615-568-2123* >> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#!/barryowen>, Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/barryo06>, Linkedin >> <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15553654&trk=tab_pro> >> WhyJoinParetoRealty.com <http://whyjoinparetorealty.com/> >> ParetoRealty.com <http://paretorealty.com/> >> *BarryOwensBlog.com <http://barryowensblog.com/>* >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Dan Mezick via OSList <oslist@lists. >> openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >>> Wait. Isnt the entire goal of inviting someone to go somewhere or do >>> sometjing to engage them in the actvity? Perhaps a quick reference check on >>> the definition of /invitation and /engagement might help? >>> >>> Do we really want people to show up and not engage or disengage? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:10 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I guess one important point is the meaning of engagement itself - my >>> personal feeling is that the word engagement incorporates a sort of >>> judgement. Engagement in what? How can you say people is not engaged? And >>> what does it mean engagement? Normally the translation of what a leader >>> calls "lack of engagement" for me is "they are not doing what I think they >>> should do". >>> >>> I think that the concept of engagement belongs to the traditional form >>> of leadership and it's far away from the kind of leadership that can show >>> up in an open space. It's a different paradigm based as MMP said on self >>> organisation and on the invitation that as HO said is an invitation only if >>> can be can be refused. >>> ge >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *PRIMA CONFERENZA ITALIANA FACILITATORI - MILANO 20 22 OTTOBRE 2016 >>> <http://www.loci.it/?id=1795&s=2>* >>> >>> Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy >>> Phone: +39 3293281343 - Fax: +39 02 87151318 - Skype: gerardodeluz >>> *[email protected] <[email protected]>* - *www.loci.it <http://www.loci.it/> * >>> >>> >>> >>> <http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it/> >>> >>> *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* >>> >>> This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use >>> only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), >>> please notify it via e-mail at [email protected] >>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:[email protected]>promptly >>> >>> 2016-08-15 21:36 GMT+02:00 Birgitt Williams via OSList <oslist@lists. >>> openspacetech.org>: >>> >>>> Great points about authentic invitation to engage...and cultural >>>> differences. To this part of the conversation, I add the concept of >>>> 'informed consent'. If I am extended an authentic invitation, and I reflect >>>> about whether my energy feels in harmony with it or not, I have a certain >>>> amount and quality of information that I need so that I am making an >>>> authentic consent to show up and fully engage. What is the information that >>>> I need so I can go beyond simply accepting the invitation....to providing >>>> informed consent? Even in cultures where there are reprisals for stepping >>>> out as an individual, I may choose to participate based on informed consent >>>> including of the risks to me. >>>> >>>> And to Michael's points about self organization...there is a >>>> possibility of something that I don't call self organization. Within the >>>> enabling conditions created for engagement, there are options for people to >>>> feel inspired to access their personal leadership, alignment with the >>>> collective vision, sense of being in community with each other and self >>>> management. Spirit at work....if through our personal leadership we allow >>>> it to be so. >>>> >>>> There is a connection between authentic invitation, informed consent, >>>> personal leadership for engagement, and allowing Spirit to do the work of >>>> Spirit. >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> Birgitt >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks all for this conversation. >>>>> >>>>> "*having the conditions for engagement*" is definitely about "*an >>>>> authentic invitation to engage*" and I think it is much more than >>>>> that as well. >>>>> >>>>> For me it brings in the history and experience of the participants, >>>>> and what sort of experiences they have had. It also brings in culture and >>>>> what participants are used to. I live/work in a country where taking >>>>> initiative was a no-no for 60 years. I have also worked in countries where >>>>> stepping out as an individual is seen as very dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> So creating the conditions for engagement and personal leadership is a >>>>> really deep question! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Smiles Bhav... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10 August 2016 at 22:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist@lists. >>>>> openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Birgitt, Harrison, Eva for this question! >>>>>> >>>>>> Engagement is considered very valuable. There's been an annual gallup >>>>>> poll around U.S. employee engagement levels, and the latest one shows >>>>>> it's >>>>>> only 32%. They're participating as employees, but they're not really >>>>>> showing up. http://www.gallup.com/poll/188144/employee- >>>>>> engagement-stagnant-2015.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> Gallup has estimated the cost of this lack of engagement is "$450 >>>>>> billion to $550 billion in lost productivity per year". >>>>>> http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/162953/tackle- >>>>>> employees-stagnating-engagement.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not the origin of this story, and I doubt it really started with >>>>>> the formal use of Open Space in bringing Agile practices into software >>>>>> organizations (thank you Daniel Mezick!), but engagement is really >>>>>> considered critical in getting a successful and lasting shift towards >>>>>> agile >>>>>> processes and an agile mindset. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although Open Space doesn't guarantee engagement, it does prevent a >>>>>> critical factor in this lack of engagement. Which is enforced >>>>>> participation. Open Space helps show how space actually is open for >>>>>> people >>>>>> to step forward for what they love as an act of service (thank you Peggy >>>>>> Holman for showing me this way of thinking about Open Space). >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless we offer >>>>>> >>>>>> an authentic invitation to engage, one that is welcoming as well as >>>>>> being an invitation we can safely decline, the most we can get is their >>>>>> butts into the room. We won't get their hearts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can we coerce engagement? Full engagement? My sense is no. Maybe we >>>>>> can trick people, but engagement by fraud isn't real engagement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harold >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/10/16 10:05 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Birgitt and al, >>>>>> great distinction, I so often experience that there are great >>>>>> engagement in an Open Space Technology meeting and also in the follow up >>>>>> meeting afterwards but when it comes to action planning people suddenly >>>>>> start to look down, the voices becomes more silent etc and it’s difficult >>>>>> to get the energy for actions. >>>>>> I will here after talk about both participation and engagement and >>>>>> what that means for the participants and the sponsors. >>>>>> :o) >>>>>> Eva >>>>>> >>>>>> Bästa hälsningar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Eva P Svensson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *EPS Human Invest AB* >>>>>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc* >>>>>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående >>>>>> företag och organisationer"* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA >>>>>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg >>>>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50 >>>>>> www.epshumaninvest.se >>>>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson >>>>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB >>>>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson >>>>>> >>>>>> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor >>>>>> till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 16:38 skrev Birgitt Williams via OSList < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Harrison...one of the aspects of you that I love is that when you >>>>>> participate, you engage. >>>>>> >>>>>> I witness many people participating and appearing engaged. And yet >>>>>> upon probing after a participatory meeting, engagement was not sufficient >>>>>> to create follow on action. I feel that this distinction between having a >>>>>> participatory meeting and having the conditions for engagement is >>>>>> important >>>>>> somehow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessings, >>>>>> Birgitt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:52 PM Harrison Owen <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Love to participate… and engage. So what so I do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ho >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winter Address >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 301-365-2093 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Summer Address >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 207 763-3261 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Websites >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.ho-image.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams via OSList >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:49 AM >>>>>>> *To:* OS list >>>>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] a substantial difference >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear friends and colleagues, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One important question is "do you want to participate?". Hence >>>>>>> participatory methods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another important question is "do you want to engage?". A totally >>>>>>> different question with a different energy, both in its inquiry and its >>>>>>> answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question that we align ourselves with as facilitators makes a >>>>>>> substantial difference in our approach. I am wondering about the impact >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> our outcomes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Make a great day! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Birgitt >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Birgitt Williams >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network http://www. >>>>>> extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine >>>>>> Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership http://www. >>>>>> genuinecontactway.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd. http://www. >>>>>> genuinecontact.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring >>>>>> agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Leadership development at your own pace? 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