Re: Version update ?

[Karl-Josef Adler]

Am Montag, 20. April 2020 12:28:35 UTC+2 schrieb Eugene zmeu:
>
> read more about function osmand.net/features
>

I can't see any list of features, splitted for Android and iOS
Does this mean, there are always all features in both systems,
with some delay may be?
Or is there a comparing overview of the features?

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Re: Description of ways

[Gavinx]

Other than long pressing on (some) objects and viewing details.
I would love to see more details but I suppose it is about making the data 
package too big.

Maybe someone might chime in with more information.



On Monday, 15 June 2020 07:29:54 UTC+10, Tom Crocker wrote:
>
> Is there any means of viewing the description key of a way, e.g. in 
> details?

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Description of ways

[Tom Crocker]

Is there any means of viewing the description key of a way, e.g. in details?

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Re: Desktop tools for custom waypoint-based planning of hiking&cycling routes

[Bob Gambrel]

I have recently started using OSMAND+ with OSMAnd Live running in an
emulator. (I run Windows 10 and am using the emulator BlueStacks)

I have not fully decided if this is the best approach, but so far I like
it. One nice thing (once I figured out how to get it to recognize my OSMAnd
Live subscription) is that I can update the map it uses to the very latest
version of the live OSM database (within an hour). I have used it to make
updates that look at the results in OSMAnd. I am going to try to use it to
print maps, so I am playing with rendering options and phone emulation
options. (e.g. resolution, DPI, ...)

For me I like the large PC screen, the ability to get live maps, the
ability to tweak rendering.





On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:42 PM Francesco Puccettone <
francesco.puccett...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does look very promising, will check it out. Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:46:27 PM UTC+2, Peter B wrote:
>>
>> Routeconverter.de
>> very powerful.
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[Harry van der Wolf]

I don't have it anymore. Next to that: Rendering has changed and over the
years rendering has become more complex. I can't make it in 10 minutes or
so.
It should now be made with a boolean statement like "hidePowerPolesLines"
(like "hideBuildings") and apply it to the several properties.

Op zo 14 jun. 2020 om 18:33 schreef Francesco Puccettone <
francesco.puccett...@gmail.com>:

> Thanks Harry. Could you maybe link me to that render file, if available?
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:12:08 PM UTC+2, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>>
>> You can't do that. It is not one of the options.
>> A couple of years ago I made a render file that did exactly this: not
>> showing these power lines and towers.
>> That is your only option.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Op zo 14 jun. 2020 om 18:09 schreef Francesco Puccettone <
>> francesco...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those distracting
>>> when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly distinguish
>>> between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no specific layers
>>> for power lines in the Hide/POI menus, and hiding all "Overground objects"
>>> is obviously overkill.
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Some GPX files for UK Rights of Way

[A Thompson]

Following my posting in another thread 
, you can 
find my simplified GPX files for rights of way in East & West Sussex, 
Brighton & Hove, and Co. Durham here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CZ3dx9nLj0YoxXbu3xIcjZuBN58qGALn?usp=sharing


For UK Rights of Way, another way to go is to make GPX files. RoW data for 
> most counties is freely available, and there's an excellent guide here:
> https://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/
>
> Using JOSM (maybe also QGIS if you go to the original source and discover 
> it is WFS or something peculiar) you can export as GPX. What I then do is 
> use GPSBabel's "crosstrack" simplification method with an error bound of 5m 
> to reduce the file size (actually I use the program "Viking" which is a 
> friendly front-end to GPSBabel and select filter>compress). All the tools I 
> have mentioned are free.
>
> For example, the GPX RoW for West Sussex is 12,463 kB but after 
> simplification with a 5m tolerance it's only 4,295 kB. And that's a big 
> county. On my old phone I have GPX RoW files for the three counties I visit 
> most without any trouble.
>
> OsmAnd gives great options for how a GPX is displayed - this is really 
> quite a nice way to do it!
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Re: Desktop tools for custom waypoint-based planning of hiking&cycling routes

[Francesco Puccettone]

Does look very promising, will check it out. Thanks!

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:46:27 PM UTC+2, Peter B wrote:
>
> Routeconverter.de
> very powerful.

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Re: Separate panels for "arrival time" and "remaining time"

[Francesco Puccettone]

Thank you Xavier! To me this seems like a feature others might like also, 
so I will go ahead and put in the feature request.

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:08:09 PM UTC+2, Xavier wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 09:20:19AM -0700, Francesco Puccettone wrote: 
> >During navigation (of any type), is it possible to have two separate 
> >panels visible in the top-right corner of the screen 
> >*simultaneously/separately*, for arrival time and remaining time?  By 
> >default these share a single panel that has to be tapped to toggle 
> >between arrival time and remaining time. 
>
> As Bart Eisenberg indicated, at the present time this is not an option 
> in OSMAnd. 
>
> If you would like to suggest this change as something for the 
> developers to add, then the way to make that suggestion to the 
> developers (those of us in this email list are merely users, not 
> developers) is to create an issue at the OSMAnd github issue tracker: 
>
> https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand/issues 
>
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Re: Separate panels for "arrival time" and "remaining time"

['Xavier' via OsmAnd]

On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 09:20:19AM -0700, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
During navigation (of any type), is it possible to have two separate 
panels visible in the top-right corner of the screen 
*simultaneously/separately*, for arrival time and remaining time?  By 
default these share a single panel that has to be tapped to toggle 
between arrival time and remaining time.


As Bart Eisenberg indicated, at the present time this is not an option 
in OSMAnd.


If you would like to suggest this change as something for the 
developers to add, then the way to make that suggestion to the 
developers (those of us in this email list are merely users, not 
developers) is to create an issue at the OSMAnd github issue tracker:


https://github.com/osmandapp/Osmand/issues

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Re: Github Issue Closed?

[David]

Thank you Harry,
I see now that my report appears added to the earlier report.
sorry for bothering you
David

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Re: Separate panels for "arrival time" and "remaining time"

[Bart Eisenberg]

It's one or the other.  

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 9:20:19 AM UTC-7, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>
> During navigation (of any type), is it possible to have two separate 
> panels visible in the top-right corner of the screen 
> *simultaneously/separately*, for arrival time and remaining time? By 
> default these share a single panel that has to be tapped to toggle between 
> arrival time and remaining time.
>

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Does osmand look at default access rights?

[mpotse]

hi,

The proposed OSM default tags (e.g. for per-country speed restrictions 
based on highway type) were discussed on this forum before. These defaults 
also allow access restrictions to be set 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions). 
This could be useful to indicate that "trunk" roads in about half of the 
countries are not accessible to cyclists and pedestrians (e.g. France, 
Germany), and in the other half they are (UK, USA, ...). But I wonder: *does 
osmand look at these default tags?* Either during map conversion or 
internally...

The background of my question is this: When I'm cycling in France and using 
a "shortest routes" profile, osmand sometimes wants to send me over a trunk 
road if this saves a lot of kilometers. Like in most of western Europe, the 
things that are tagged as trunk roads here are very much like motorways. 
Cycling on them is strictly prohibited and very dangerous. Even a "shortest 
routes" navigation profile should not allow this (maybe an "outlaw" profile 
would do). In Germany or the Netherlands trunk roads are systematically 
tagged with "motorroad" or "access:bicycle=no". In France this is not the 
case. When I started adding such tags in strategic places, I've been told 
it was redundant, because navigation apps should take the national rules or 
the proposed Defaults into account. It sounds indeed like a neat solution 
to me.

Of course I adapted my routing profile already: I replaced the useless 
"allow motorways" switch by an "allow trunk roads", which I might flip on 
in Tasmania or so.

Best regards,

Mark

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Re: Finding the exact type of 'surface'/'tracktype' of a given path

[Poutnik Fornntp]

This can be done on a phone as well, as the BRouter web is phone friendly.

Take it then as an alternative.

Dne 14. června 2020 18:36:05 Francesco Puccettone 
 napsal:
Thanks for your suggestion! I already know how to find out route type on a 
desktop computer (e.g. via 'query features', as I mentioned). My question 
was how I can find this out in OsmAnd, for a given point on the map.


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:12:51 PM UTC+2, Poutnik wrote:
You may try BRouter.de/BRouter-web/ with routing profile trekking (bike) or 
hiking-beta (foot) .


After interactive route creation along OSM highways of interest, you can 
review routing related way tags in the table, eventually even export them 
into CSV file.


Dne 14. června 2020 17:40:16 Francesco Puccettone  
napsal:
For a given point on the map (path/road), how can I find out its road 
category, that is, whether it is a paved street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
lane/bridleway/etc, in terms of the corresponding OSM key descriptions, 
namely surface and tracktype. Right now the only way I know to do this, is 
through a "query features" for that spot on osm.org, which shows the exact 
path/road type in terms of all these OSM properties.


However, opening up osm.org is not practical on a phone, and long-tapping 
on the point of interest in OsmAnd does not display any such property. On 
the other hand, comparing the line type you see on the map to the MapLegend 
in the Help is not convenient: too many taps back and forth, and even then, 
the different path categories are hard to distinguish for people who are 
colour-blind.


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Re: Finding the exact type of 'surface'/'tracktype' of a given path

[Francesco Puccettone]

Thanks for your suggestion! I already know how to find out route type on a 
desktop computer (e.g. via 'query features', as I mentioned). My question 
was how I can find this out in OsmAnd, for a given point on the map.

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:12:51 PM UTC+2, Poutnik wrote:
>
> You may try BRouter.de/BRouter-web/ with routing profile trekking (bike) 
> or hiking-beta (foot) . 
>
> After interactive route creation along OSM highways of interest, you can 
> review routing related way tags in the table, eventually even export them 
> into CSV file.
>
> Dne 14. června 2020 17:40:16 Francesco Puccettone  > napsal:
>
>> For a given point on the map (path/road), how can I find out its road 
>> category, that is, whether it is a paved street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
>> lane/bridleway/etc, in terms of the corresponding OSM key descriptions, 
>> namely surface 
>> and tracktype 
>> . Right now the only 
>> way I know to do this, is through a "query features" for that spot on 
>> osm.org, which shows the exact path/road type in terms of all these OSM 
>> properties.
>>
>> However, opening up osm.org is not practical on a phone, and 
>> long-tapping on the point of interest in OsmAnd does not display any such 
>> property. On the other hand, comparing the line type you see on the map to 
>> the MapLegend in the Help is not convenient: too many taps back and forth, 
>> and even then, the different path categories are hard to distinguish for 
>> people who are colour-blind.
>>
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[Francesco Puccettone]

Thanks Harry. Could you maybe link me to that render file, if available?

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:12:08 PM UTC+2, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
>
> You can't do that. It is not one of the options.
> A couple of years ago I made a render file that did exactly this: not 
> showing these power lines and towers.
> That is your only option.
>
> Harry
>
> Op zo 14 jun. 2020 om 18:09 schreef Francesco Puccettone <
> francesco...@gmail.com >:
>
>> How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those distracting 
>> when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly distinguish 
>> between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no specific layers 
>> for power lines in the Hide/POI menus, and hiding all "Overground objects" 
>> is obviously overkill.
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Re: "Driving style" options for walking directions

[Francesco Puccettone]

On second thought, I think walking routing by default tries to avoid main 
roads, so checking 'avoid motorways' does not appear to lead to much more 
hike-friendly routes. But you're right, setting intermediate points is an 
ok workaround (this is what I had been using).

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:00:12 PM UTC+2, Bart Eisenberg wrote:
>
> The built-in walking preferences (as opposed to creating your own 
> routing.xml 
> )
>  
>  are at settings > Walking > Navigation settings > Route parameters. But 
> I'm not sure there's a setting that gets you that level of specificity.  
> "Avoid roads", for example, just avoids Motorways, not decibels. 
>
> You can of course set intermediate points to avoid hiking-unfriendly 
> routes. But that's not so much a preference as a selection.  
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:10:29 AM UTC-7, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>>
>> For cycling directions, OsmAnd has a set of very useful "Driving style" 
>> options (e.g. to avoid main roads).
>>
>> Is it possible to define a similar set of preferences for computed *walking 
>> *routes? Preferences like trying as much as possible to avoid roads and 
>> prefer mountain paths, even if it means a detour. 
>>
>> Without such preferences, one has to constantly define "avoid" points 
>> along the route that happen to be hiking-unsuitable, like noisy roads.
>>
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Separate panels for "arrival time" and "remaining time"

[Francesco Puccettone]

During navigation (of any type), is it possible to have two separate panels 
visible in the top-right corner of the screen *simultaneously/separately*, 
for arrival time and remaining time? By default these share a single panel 
that has to be tapped to toggle between arrival time and remaining time.

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Re: Finding the exact type of 'surface'/'tracktype' of a given path

[Poutnik Fornntp]

You may try BRouter.de/BRouter-web/ with routing profile trekking (bike) or 
hiking-beta (foot) .


After interactive route creation along OSM highways of interest, you can 
review routing related way tags in the table, eventually even export them 
into CSV file.


Dne 14. června 2020 17:40:16 Francesco Puccettone 
 napsal:
For a given point on the map (path/road), how can I find out its road 
category, that is, whether it is a paved street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
lane/bridleway/etc, in terms of the corresponding OSM key descriptions, 
namely surface and tracktype. Right now the only way I know to do this, is 
through a "query features" for that spot on osm.org, which shows the exact 
path/road type in terms of all these OSM properties.


However, opening up osm.org is not practical on a phone, and long-tapping 
on the point of interest in OsmAnd does not display any such property. On 
the other hand, comparing the line type you see on the map to the MapLegend 
in the Help is not convenient: too many taps back and forth, and even then, 
the different path categories are hard to distinguish for people who are 
colour-blind.


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[Harry van der Wolf]

You can't do that. It is not one of the options.
A couple of years ago I made a render file that did exactly this: not
showing these power lines and towers.
That is your only option.

Harry

Op zo 14 jun. 2020 om 18:09 schreef Francesco Puccettone <
francesco.puccett...@gmail.com>:

> How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those distracting
> when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly distinguish
> between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no specific layers
> for power lines in the Hide/POI menus, and hiding all "Overground objects"
> is obviously overkill.
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Re: Rendering Based on Highway Designation

[A Thompson]

For UK Rights of Way, another way to go is to make GPX files. RoW data for 
most counties is freely available, and there's an excellent guide here:
https://www.rowmaps.com/datasets/

Using JOSM (maybe also QGIS if you go to the original source and discover 
it is WFS or something peculiar) you can export as GPX. What I then do is 
use GPSBabel's "crosstrack" simplification method with an error bound of 5m 
to reduce the file size (actually I use the program "Viking" which is a 
friendly front-end to GPSBabel and select filter>compress). All the tools I 
have mentioned are free.

For example, the GPX RoW for West Sussex is 12,463 kB but after 
simplification with a 5m tolerance it's only 4,295 kB. And that's a big 
county. On my old phone I have GPX RoW files for the three counties I visit 
most without any trouble.

OsmAnd gives great options for how a GPX is displayed - this is really 
quite a nice way to do it!


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:38:10 PM UTC+1, Edward Kimber wrote:
>
> Thanks! 
> It will be useful at the very least to gain some understanding by looking 
> at what you've done. Those online maps are great, but in fact I have never 
> used raster maps in OsmAnd, I guess it's the factor of knowing you can pull 
> it up and never have to think about network signal.
>
>>
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[Francesco Puccettone]

How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those distracting 
when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly distinguish 
between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no specific layers 
for power lines in the Hide/POI menus, and hiding all "Overground objects" 
is obviously overkill.

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Map not rotating to follow direction of movement, after turns

[Francesco Puccettone]

During cycling navigation, with the compass set to follow the direction of 
movement, I noticed that, after a turn, the map sometimes only partly 
rotates, such that instead of the direction of movement pointing upwards 
again after the turn, it is instead pointing at some other angle. 

I noticed also that a tap on the screen will rotate the map as 
expected(?!), however to keep doing that during cycling is unsafe and 
inconvenient. 

Is this a known bug?

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Customising intertap-duration for double-tap use, in single-fingered zoom

[Francesco Puccettone]

When using the single-fingered zoom (double tap + finger up/down to zoom 
in/out), OsmAnd will often act upon the first tap without "waiting" for the 
second tap that changes the screen action to *double*tap. This results in 
the selection of whatever POI happens to be under the first tap, which is 
frustrating, when one intended to zoom. 

Can the defining inter-tap duration be customised to make OsmAnd a bit more 
"patient" in what it interprets as a double tap? 

Also, whatever zoom type I use, the rendering is really slow on my phone 
(Galaxy S7) - what I can try to make it smoother? Perhaps by changing the 
renderer to make use of more than one CPU core available in the phone, if 
that's possible?

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Re: Github Issue Closed?

[Harry van der Wolf]

You should read what has been added to your bug-report, not only the closed
message. Your bug report is a duplicate of an earlier reported one.

Op zo 14 jun. 2020 om 17:59 schreef David :

> I put a bug report on Github (about the default coloring of favorites).
> wthin a day this issue was Closed
> with the remark:
> ---[image: @vshcherb]  vshcherb
>  closed this 2 days ago
> ---
>
> I am not experienced in Github.
> does this mean: consider it done, it will be fixed in the next update
> or:  do not bother us with this kind of nonsense
> or:   did someone inadvertendly close the subject
> or: ..
>
> David
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Toggling between the default and the 'route overview' zoom levels

[Francesco Puccettone]

A navigation feature I find important is being able to quickly toggle the 
zoom level between the default (zoomed in) level, and the zoom level just 
"high" enough to show an overview of the entire route. This is because 
sometimes one just needs to quickly check one detail of the route, which is 
only available at the "fit all" zoom level, and it is cumbersome to 
manually zoom all the way out, then all the way in. 

In Google Maps for instance, this 'route-overview' view is achieved by 
tapping the bifurcation icon in the bottom bar, which then creates a 
Recenter button for going back to the default zoom. 

Can such a feature somehow be achieved in OsmAnd?

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Re: "Driving style" options for walking directions

[Bart Eisenberg]

The built-in walking preferences (as opposed to creating your own 
routing.xml 
)
 
 are at settings > Walking > Navigation settings > Route parameters. But 
I'm not sure there's a setting that gets you that level of specificity.  
"Avoid roads", for example, just avoids Motorways, not decibels. 

You can of course set intermediate points to avoid hiking-unfriendly 
routes. But that's not so much a preference as a selection.  

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:10:29 AM UTC-7, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>
> For cycling directions, OsmAnd has a set of very useful "Driving style" 
> options (e.g. to avoid main roads).
>
> Is it possible to define a similar set of preferences for computed *walking 
> *routes? Preferences like trying as much as possible to avoid roads and 
> prefer mountain paths, even if it means a detour. 
>
> Without such preferences, one has to constantly define "avoid" points 
> along the route that happen to be hiking-unsuitable, like noisy roads.
>

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Github Issue Closed?

[David]

I put a bug report on Github (about the default coloring of favorites).
wthin a day this issue was Closed
with the remark:
---[image: @vshcherb]  vshcherb 
 closed this 2 days ago 
---

I am not experienced in Github.
does this mean: consider it done, it will be fixed in the next update
or:  do not bother us with this kind of nonsense
or:   did someone inadvertendly close the subject
or: ..

David

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Desktop tools for custom waypoint-based planning of hiking&cycling routes

[Peter B]

Routeconverter.de
very powerful.

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Re: Finding the exact type of 'surface'/'tracktype' of a given path

[Francesco Puccettone]

MOre generally, how can the QueryFeatures option (available when 
right-clicking a point in OSM desktop) be accessed in OsmAnd, to retrieve 
detailed information about surrounding POIs, roads etc? 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 5:40:11 PM UTC+2, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>
> For a given point on the map (path/road), how can I find out its road 
> category, that is, whether it is a paved street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
> lane/bridleway/etc, in terms of the corresponding OSM key descriptions, 
> namely surface 
> and tracktype 
> . Right now the only 
> way I know to do this, is through a "query features" for that spot on 
> osm.org, which shows the exact path/road type in terms of all these OSM 
> properties.
>
> However, opening up osm.org is not practical on a phone, and long-tapping 
> on the point of interest in OsmAnd does not display any such property. On 
> the other hand, comparing the line type you see on the map to the MapLegend 
> in the Help is not convenient: too many taps back and forth, and even then, 
> the different path categories are hard to distinguish for people who are 
> colour-blind.
>

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Finding the exact type of 'surface'/'tracktype' of a given path

[Francesco Puccettone]

For a given point on the map (path/road), how can I find out its road 
category, that is, whether it is a paved street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
lane/bridleway/etc, in terms of the corresponding OSM key descriptions, 
namely surface 
and tracktype . Right 
now the only way I know to do this, is through a "query features" for that 
spot on osm.org, which shows the exact path/road type in terms of all these 
OSM properties.

However, opening up osm.org is not practical on a phone, and long-tapping 
on the point of interest in OsmAnd does not display any such property. On 
the other hand, comparing the line type you see on the map to the MapLegend 
in the Help is not convenient: too many taps back and forth, and even then, 
the different path categories are hard to distinguish for people who are 
colour-blind.

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Re: Questions from new user of OsmAnd

[Bart Eisenberg]

That would be useful. And as with many tech forums, a non-response may 
simply mean that no one has an answer.  Or at least an affirmative one. 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 7:12:11 AM UTC-7, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>
> I guess this thread was too big so will put the most important of these 
> questions in separate threads that are hopefully less intimidating for 
> people to reply to :-}
>
> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 3:58:55 PM UTC+2, Francesco Puccettone 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello to all in this OsmAnd group!
>>
>> I have just discovered this app, and as a longtime Google- and Here-Maps 
>> enthusiast, I am keen to learn to use OsmAnd at a more advanced level, to 
>> be able to rely on it during my hikes.
>>
>> I have a bunch of questions that I was not able to clarify for myself, 
>> maybe people in here can help if they have time. Thank you! :-}
>>
>> --Francesco
>>
>>
>>1. Since OsmAnd does not have a desktop version, and openstreetmap.org 
>>does not allow customising navigation routes, what is the best tool for 
>>planning hiking/cycling routes with custom waypoints, and later navigate 
>>them in OsmAnd by loading the GPX file? Google Maps is no good as it 
>>(still) doesn't know many footpaths etc.  So far I only know of Komoot, 
>> but 
>>their desktop interface is not very advanced for routing - for instance, 
>>the autocomplete search is abysmal, and as soon as you add waypoints by 
>>name, it forgets that name and renames them Waypoint 1, 2, .. .
>>2. For cycling directions, OsmAnd has a set of very useful "Driving 
>>style" options (e.g. to avoid main roads), but is it possible to define a 
>>similar set of preferences for computed walking routes? Preferences like 
>>trying as much as possible to avoid roads and prefer mountain paths, even 
>>if it means a detour. Without such preferences, one has to constantly 
>>define "avoid" points along the route.
>>3. For a given point on the map (road), how can I see its exact road 
>>category (for instance, street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
>>lane/bridleway/etc)? Referring to the MapLegend is not very convenient 
>> (too 
>>many taps away), and even then, the different categories are hard to 
>>distinguish for people who are colour-blind.
>>4. Right-clicking on the map in the desktop version of OSM (osm.org) 
>>brings up the QueryFeatures options, which is great for seeing very 
>>detailed information about surrounding POIs. How can this feature be 
>>accessed in OsmAnd to see detail like that on demand, without having to 
>>turn on every possible layer of detail to be visible at all times?
>>5. A critical navigation feature is to quickly toggle the zoom 
>>between the default (zoomed in) level, and the zoom level just "high" 
>>enough to show an overview of the entire route. In Google Maps, 
>>route-overview is achieved by tapping the bifurcation icon in the bottom 
>>bar, which then creates a Recenter button. Can such a feature somehow be 
>>achieved in OsmAnd?
>>6. During cycling navigation, with the compass set to follow the 
>>direction of movement, I noticed that, after a turn, the map sometimes 
>> only 
>>partly rotates, such that instead of the direction of movement pointing 
>>upwards on the screen, it is instead pointing at some other angle. I 
>>noticed that a tap on the screen will rotate the map as expected, however 
>>to keep doing that during cycling is unsafe and inconvenient. Is this a 
>>known bug?
>>7. Many parts of my offline maps are rendered with what appear to be 
>>artefacts (see screenshot below). Is this an issue with my phone's GFX, 
>> or 
>>just the way the OSM map tiles are normally rendered?
>>8. How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those 
>>distracting when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly 
>>distinguish between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no 
>>specific layers for power lines in the Hide/POI menus (hiding all 
>>"Overground objects" is obviously overkill).
>>9. When tapping on certain POIs, the POI type is not displayed even 
>>in the details. For instance nowhere is the word 'tree' displayed when 
>>tapping on a tree symbol on the map. Some POI icons are obviously more 
>>arbitrary and harder to guess though.
>>10. During navigation, is it possible to have two separate panels for 
>>arrival time and remaining time in the top-right corner, rather than 
>> these 
>>always sharing a single panel that has to be tapped to toggle between 
>> them?
>>11. For a given point on the map, how can I see the exact steepness 
>>(in %) at that point, without having to define a navigation route?
>>12. How can I have my Hide configuration remembered between 
>>navigation routes, e.g. next time when I define a route, to have the 
>> "hide 
>>house nu

"Driving style" options for walking directions

[Francesco Puccettone]

For cycling directions, OsmAnd has a set of very useful "Driving style" 
options (e.g. to avoid main roads).

Is it possible to define a similar set of preferences for computed *walking 
*routes? Preferences like trying as much as possible to avoid roads and 
prefer mountain paths, even if it means a detour. 

Without such preferences, one has to constantly define "avoid" points along 
the route that happen to be hiking-unsuitable, like noisy roads.

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Desktop tools for custom waypoint-based planning of hiking&cycling routes

[Francesco Puccettone]

Since OsmAnd sadly does not have a desktop version (and none appears to be 
planned), and since openstreetmap.org does not at all allow customising 
navigation routes, what are some desktop (browser) tools that people use to 
plan hiking/cycling routes with custom waypoints, and later navigate them 
in OsmAnd by loading the GPX file? 

A few that I've considered:

   - the most obvious choice, Google Maps (MyMaps), is no good as it 
   (still) doesn't know many footpaths etc.
   - Komoot: its desktop interface is quite rudimentary:the autocomplete 
   search is abysmal, and waypoints along the route often have their names 
   lost (and replaced them "Waypoint 1, 2, ..") and are anyway not included 
   in  the exported GPX file (as I explain in another post 
   

   )
   - Bikemap.net: no hiking, no lat/long search, few searchable POIs
   - BRouter.de: very powerful, but couldnt find a way to define waypoints 
   based on OSM POIs 
   - Kurviger.de: again, VERY good tool, but only for motorbikes, not 
   cycling/hikes
   - cycle.travel: doesn't create waypoints lists, doesn't work well in 
   Chrome
   - GraphHopper.com: very buddy - sharing URL damages waypoints, no route 
   drag&drop
   - AllTrails: does not allow defining waypoints though search (only via 
   lat/lon), nor dragging start&end points
   - the desktop software Garmin BaseCamp seems to really be made for use 
   with Garmin external devices, and in either requires payment to buy mapping.

Thanks any opinions on this!

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Help around Lörrach/Freiburg

[Mike Hartmann]

Hallo,

ich bin neu hier und möchte in Zukunft gerne die Osmand App zum navigieren 
nutzen. Da ich grundsätzlich Neuling bin was das navigieren angeht, suche 
ich versierte Leute im Umgang mit dieser App und auch das erstellen von 
Routen bzw. GPX Dateien und deren Importieren zu Routingfähigen Karten.
Gibt es hier Jemanden aus dem Raum Lörrach/Freiburg oder auch Gruppen die 
mir helfen können?

Danke für Antworten.

Mfg,
Mike

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Re: Questions from new user of OsmAnd

[Francesco Puccettone]

I guess this thread was too big so will put the most important of these 
questions in separate threads that are hopefully less intimidating for 
people to reply to :-}

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 3:58:55 PM UTC+2, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
>
> Hello to all in this OsmAnd group!
>
> I have just discovered this app, and as a longtime Google- and Here-Maps 
> enthusiast, I am keen to learn to use OsmAnd at a more advanced level, to 
> be able to rely on it during my hikes.
>
> I have a bunch of questions that I was not able to clarify for myself, 
> maybe people in here can help if they have time. Thank you! :-}
>
> --Francesco
>
>
>1. Since OsmAnd does not have a desktop version, and openstreetmap.org 
>does not allow customising navigation routes, what is the best tool for 
>planning hiking/cycling routes with custom waypoints, and later navigate 
>them in OsmAnd by loading the GPX file? Google Maps is no good as it 
>(still) doesn't know many footpaths etc.  So far I only know of Komoot, 
> but 
>their desktop interface is not very advanced for routing - for instance, 
>the autocomplete search is abysmal, and as soon as you add waypoints by 
>name, it forgets that name and renames them Waypoint 1, 2, .. .
>2. For cycling directions, OsmAnd has a set of very useful "Driving 
>style" options (e.g. to avoid main roads), but is it possible to define a 
>similar set of preferences for computed walking routes? Preferences like 
>trying as much as possible to avoid roads and prefer mountain paths, even 
>if it means a detour. Without such preferences, one has to constantly 
>define "avoid" points along the route.
>3. For a given point on the map (road), how can I see its exact road 
>category (for instance, street/footpath/rough path/cycle 
>lane/bridleway/etc)? Referring to the MapLegend is not very convenient 
> (too 
>many taps away), and even then, the different categories are hard to 
>distinguish for people who are colour-blind.
>4. Right-clicking on the map in the desktop version of OSM (osm.org) 
>brings up the QueryFeatures options, which is great for seeing very 
>detailed information about surrounding POIs. How can this feature be 
>accessed in OsmAnd to see detail like that on demand, without having to 
>turn on every possible layer of detail to be visible at all times?
>5. A critical navigation feature is to quickly toggle the zoom between 
>the default (zoomed in) level, and the zoom level just "high" enough to 
>show an overview of the entire route. In Google Maps, route-overview is 
>achieved by tapping the bifurcation icon in the bottom bar, which then 
>creates a Recenter button. Can such a feature somehow be achieved in 
> OsmAnd?
>6. During cycling navigation, with the compass set to follow the 
>direction of movement, I noticed that, after a turn, the map sometimes 
> only 
>partly rotates, such that instead of the direction of movement pointing 
>upwards on the screen, it is instead pointing at some other angle. I 
>noticed that a tap on the screen will rotate the map as expected, however 
>to keep doing that during cycling is unsafe and inconvenient. Is this a 
>known bug?
>7. Many parts of my offline maps are rendered with what appear to be 
>artefacts (see screenshot below). Is this an issue with my phone's GFX, or 
>just the way the OSM map tiles are normally rendered?
>8. How can I hide overhead power lines and towers? I find those 
>distracting when hiking (alpine running), when I need instead to quickly 
>distinguish between useful lines (contour lines, paths etc). I saw no 
>specific layers for power lines in the Hide/POI menus (hiding all 
>"Overground objects" is obviously overkill).
>9. When tapping on certain POIs, the POI type is not displayed even in 
>the details. For instance nowhere is the word 'tree' displayed when 
> tapping 
>on a tree symbol on the map. Some POI icons are obviously more arbitrary 
>and harder to guess though.
>10. During navigation, is it possible to have two separate panels for 
>arrival time and remaining time in the top-right corner, rather than these 
>always sharing a single panel that has to be tapped to toggle between them?
>11. For a given point on the map, how can I see the exact steepness 
>(in %) at that point, without having to define a navigation route?
>12. How can I have my Hide configuration remembered between navigation 
>routes, e.g. next time when I define a route, to have the "hide house 
>numbers" tickbox still checked, as I had done for the previous route?
>
> [image: 1.jpg]
>
>

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Re: Rendering Based on Highway Designation

[Edward Kimber]

Thanks! 
It will be useful at the very least to gain some understanding by looking 
at what you've done. Those online maps are great, but in fact I have never 
used raster maps in OsmAnd, I guess it's the factor of knowing you can pull 
it up and never have to think about network signal.

Regards,
Ed

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 12:46:44 UTC+1, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> I did have a look at this earlier this year - the idea was/is to be a 
> second OSM diary entry to follow on from 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/391499 .  For 
> various reasons it didn't get finished - it may need a few steps backwards 
> first (removing options unused by me to make the replacement files easier 
> to understand) before going forward again.  The resulting "work in 
> progress" is at https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/osmand_files/tree/WIP2 
> but it is just that - an incomplete work in progress.  However, it might 
> still be useful to look at if you're trying to do something similar.  I 
> wasn't trying to add an "extra option" to the standard OsmAnd rendering 
> files, just to create a drop-in replacement.
>
> That's for offline maps of course - it's straightforward to do for online 
> maps - just use tiles from https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html 
> of the format https://map.atownsend.org.uk/hot/14/8158/5231.png .
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
> On 14/06/2020 12:31, Edward Kimber wrote:
>
> Hello, I was just thinking about doing this myself because none of the 
> rendering options currently available are suitable for walking in many 
> parts of the UK where there is a dense network of various designated and 
> other paths and features. It would be so good to have clearly highlighted 
> public rights of way. Did you put in a request to include the designation 
> tag? I don't think designated would be sufficient from what I have seen of 
> the underlying trail tagging. I will resort to building my own obf if 
> necessary. Is it just a question of adding entries such as this?
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:22:15 UTC, Jonathan Stuart wrote: 
>>
>> Thanks. I got my renderer working to show rights of way in different 
>> colours depending on what they are (footpath, bridleway, byway, etc) and on 
>> whether they're a public RoW or permissive, etc. Unfortunately, this 
>> requires me to generate my own obf files with a custom rendering_types.xml 
>> that includes "designated" values and the "designation" tag. It would be 
>> great if this data could be included in the standard obf files.
>>
>> On Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:48:23 UTC, A Thompson wrote: 
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone. I was just trying to do the same thing, got bored when 
>>> it didn't work, and instead decided to go browse this group's archive for 
>>> the first time in a while! 
>>>
>>> I agree with your motivation, Jonathan: in the UK people are starting to 
>>> mark legally designated footpaths with designation= and if a route looks 
>>> questionable but someone had taken the trouble to tag it as official, it 
>>> would be nice to be able to check that. I was thinking of adding some sort 
>>> of show/hide option to the renderer I use for walking (here 
>>> ).
>>>
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Re: Passing custom waypoints from Komoot to an OsmAnd navigable route (via GPX)

[Francesco Puccettone]

Thanks for sharing this! I did try Garmin BaseCamp, although I gave up on 
it as several times it gave errors about there being no external devices 
for bird's eye imagery or other types of layers, and also maps seem to be 
payable, which for now while I'm still shopping around I'd rather not pay 
for.

Just to clarify, what exactly is the difference between a GPX track and a 
GPX route? I thought the idea is you create the exact shape of the 
itinerary you want and then follow it with OSMand or some other software, 
as long as it sticks to your contour and not recompute directions between 
any two waypoints

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 12:16:44 PM UTC+2, HH P wrote:
>
> I plan GPX trails with waypoints very often. For planning, I use Garmin 
> BaseCamp and maps from Openstreetmap on my Windows PC. OK, Garmin BaseCamp is 
> a complex program, but in my opinion it is the best program for offline 
> planning. The GPX files (tracks, no routes) including the waypoints can be 
> easily imported into OsmAnd.
>
>
>
>
> Am Samstag, 13. Juni 2020 09:32:06 UTC+2 schrieb Francesco Puccettone:
>>
>> I've created a route containing custom waypoints based on lat/long, or on 
>> highlights in the desktop app Komoot. I then exported this route to GPX so 
>> as to navigate it in OsmAmd. 
>>
>> The problem is, the loaded GPX just shows the trail shape, with only the 
>> beginning and end points saved, but none of the intermediary waypoints. 
>> Thus, during navigation I cannot e.g. see how long till the next waypoint.
>>
>> I know I can manually re-add waypoints in the mobile app, but is there 
>> any way to keep the original waypoints? Looking at the GPX markup I see no 
>> trace of these being encoded in there, so maybe the question should really 
>> be: what other format should I use that keeps & passes along the waypoints?
>>
>> Thanks for any thoughts!
>>
>

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Re: Rendering Based on Highway Designation

[Andy Townsend]

I did have a look at this earlier this year - the idea was/is to be a 
second OSM diary entry to follow on from 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/391499 .  For 
various reasons it didn't get finished - it may need a few steps 
backwards first (removing options unused by me to make the replacement 
files easier to understand) before going forward again.  The resulting 
"work in progress" is at 
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/osmand_files/tree/WIP2 but it is just 
that - an incomplete work in progress.  However, it might still be 
useful to look at if you're trying to do something similar.  I wasn't 
trying to add an "extra option" to the standard OsmAnd rendering files, 
just to create a drop-in replacement.


That's for offline maps of course - it's straightforward to do for 
online maps - just use tiles from 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html of the format 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/hot/14/8158/5231.png .


Best Regards,

Andy

On 14/06/2020 12:31, Edward Kimber wrote:
Hello, I was just thinking about doing this myself because none of the 
rendering options currently available are suitable for walking in many 
parts of the UK where there is a dense network of various designated 
and other paths and features. It would be so good to have clearly 
highlighted public rights of way. Did you put in a request to include 
the designation tag? I don't think designated would be sufficient from 
what I have seen of the underlying trail tagging. I will resort to 
building my own obf if necessary. Is it just a question of adding 
entries such as this?

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/osmand/WyGJS0Dekrk/MjLn_ALTBQAJ>).

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Re: Rendering Based on Highway Designation

[Edward Kimber]

Hello, I was just thinking about doing this myself because none of the 
rendering options currently available are suitable for walking in many 
parts of the UK where there is a dense network of various designated and 
other paths and features. It would be so good to have clearly highlighted 
public rights of way. Did you put in a request to include the designation 
tag? I don't think designated would be sufficient from what I have seen of 
the underlying trail tagging. I will resort to building my own obf if 
necessary. Is it just a question of adding entries such as this?

> Thanks. I got my renderer working to show rights of way in different 
> colours depending on what they are (footpath, bridleway, byway, etc) and on 
> whether they're a public RoW or permissive, etc. Unfortunately, this 
> requires me to generate my own obf files with a custom rendering_types.xml 
> that includes "designated" values and the "designation" tag. It would be 
> great if this data could be included in the standard obf files.
>
> On Sunday, 10 March 2019 02:48:23 UTC, A Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, everyone. I was just trying to do the same thing, got bored when 
>> it didn't work, and instead decided to go browse this group's archive for 
>> the first time in a while!
>>
>> I agree with your motivation, Jonathan: in the UK people are starting to 
>> mark legally designated footpaths with designation= and if a route looks 
>> questionable but someone had taken the trouble to tag it as official, it 
>> would be nice to be able to check that. I was thinking of adding some sort 
>> of show/hide option to the renderer I use for walking (here 
>> ).
>>
>

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Re: Passing custom waypoints from Komoot to an OsmAnd navigable route (via GPX)

['HH P' via OsmAnd]

I plan GPX trails with waypoints very often. For planning, I use Garmin 
BaseCamp and maps from Openstreetmap on my Windows PC. OK, Garmin BaseCamp is a 
complex program, but in my opinion it is the best program for offline planning. 
The GPX files (tracks, no routes) including the waypoints can be easily 
imported into OsmAnd.




Am Samstag, 13. Juni 2020 09:32:06 UTC+2 schrieb Francesco Puccettone:
>
> I've created a route containing custom waypoints based on lat/long, or on 
> highlights in the desktop app Komoot. I then exported this route to GPX so 
> as to navigate it in OsmAmd. 
>
> The problem is, the loaded GPX just shows the trail shape, with only the 
> beginning and end points saved, but none of the intermediary waypoints. 
> Thus, during navigation I cannot e.g. see how long till the next waypoint.
>
> I know I can manually re-add waypoints in the mobile app, but is there any 
> way to keep the original waypoints? Looking at the GPX markup I see no 
> trace of these being encoded in there, so maybe the question should really 
> be: what other format should I use that keeps & passes along the waypoints?
>
> Thanks for any thoughts!
>

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Re: render.xml: change color based on speed limit?

[Damien]

I guess you're right and the rendering engine doesn't get to see that 
attribute!

In my case this would rather be to visually downgrade trunk roads with a 
speed limit of 30 mph or less to primary roads, eg:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52092342 -> not great for cycling
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38809713 -> just fine

As a workaround I've used the attributes "foot=yes" or "busway=lane" which 
seem to catch 80% of the cases...


On Sunday, 14 June 2020 03:58:36 UTC+1, A Thompson wrote:
>
> Interesting question. I looked at Topo and a few other built-in renderers 
> on github (here 
> ) 
> and they don't make any reference to maxspeed. So I suspect that maxspeed 
> is not supplied to the rendering engine.
>
> But... would that really have worked for you anyway? From your writing I 
> guess you might be in the UK. In which case you can have nice rural cycling 
> roads with maxspeed=60 mph The big distinction I can see is 70 mph allowed 
> only on dual carriageways (i.e. with a central barrier). Maybe you could 
> look at "type=dual_carriageway" or "lanes=" ? I don't know if either would 
> work, it's just an idea.
>
> On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 12:02:30 PM UTC+1, Damien wrote:
>>
>> I'm making a custom render.xml for cycling based on the Topo style. I was 
>> wondering if it was possible to apply styling based on the speed limit for 
>> a particular road? I've tried various selectors like 
>> additional="maxspeed=X", but that does not seem to work.
>>
>> The goal would be to disambiguate urban trunk roads (totally cyclable) 
>> from high speed trunk roads that are more like motorways.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights :)
>>
>

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