Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

2014-11-19 Thread Greg Keogh
Hi Ian, Stephen at al, FYI I was loaned an Intel Mac for this specific
phone job, and I put Windows 8.1 and VS2013.4 on it and the phone emulator
runs fine with Hyper-V. I didn't realise until a couple of days ago that
Windows Phone development is such a familiar experience if you already know
WPF or Silverlight. It's all familiar XAML and coding patterns and almost
all of the important class libraries are available and ready-to-go. All of
the phone specific stuff is nicely separated and you can reference it when
you feel the need. It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this
pleasantly across all the brands -- *Greg*

On 18 November 2014 17:17, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Greg - Yes, Windows 8 has the Hyper-V. But I know that a  few people
 have used the WP8 SDK on Windows 7. I think a requirement is 64-bit
 Windows? But the VS2012 Express version is suitable.

 I found this a good jump-off point - *Developing Apps for Windows 8*
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/ff402551(v=vs.105).aspx
 - possibly the topic about *requirements for the emulator* is what you
 needed to see first, though.

 I do have a Windows Phone, and after a long delay it was updated to WP8.1
 a few months ago (Australia followed later than many countries). A
 beginners tool is called Windows App Studio - I just found its tutorial
 location again, *here* http://appstudio.windows.com/en-us.

 Ian Thomas

 Albert Park, Victoria

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:32 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

 Hi Ian (and Stephen),

 No I was absentmindedly on Windows 7 where I do the bulk of my normal work.

 In a tiny hint in some web search I saw a comment about no support in

 Windows 7. I just went over to a VM running VS2013 retail and it has lots

 of phone templates, so there you go! I staggers me though, as I thought it

 was all simulated and I find it hard to believe a certain type of VS

 project needs Windows 8. That means that Windows 8 is actually useful for

 something!! (for the wrong reasons) -- *Greg*

 On 18 November 2014 14:42, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Are you developing on Windows 8.1 with VS2013?

 

 

  --

 

  Ian Thomas

  Albert Park, Victoria

 

 

 

  *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:

  ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh

  *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:22 PM

  *To:* ozDotNet

  *Subject:* VS2013 Windows Phone project

 

 

 

  Folks, I have been asked to write a demo Windows Phone app, which I've

  never done before, but I'm keen to give it a bash. However, I'm off to a

  bad start. VS2013 Update 4 has no New Project template for a phone app. I

  have installed all VS2013 features. I can see the Windows Phone SDK v8.0

  and v8.1 folders under Program Files(x86). Web searches hint that I
 should

  just be able to select New Project and off I go. What's missing? -- *Greg

  K*

 



RE: [OT] Phone development and Hyper-V

2014-11-19 Thread Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA)
Hi Greg,

No, generally, you can’t run a VM that relies on the Hypervisor (WP8 Emulator) 
within a VM that relies on the Hypevisor (VMWare Player).

One way to dev against WP8 from inside a VM is to use a physical device.

BTW, I don’t know about VMWare Player, but VMWare Fusion allows an advanced 
setting called “Enable hypervisor applications in this virtual machine” which 
(I think) puts aside a dedicated processor on a multi-proc machine for use 
inside the VM and doesn’t enable the Hypervisor for the Host VM on that proc. 
(I could have the mechanism wrong, but the upshot is that you can run the WP8 
[and, I expect, the new Android Emulator] in a Win8 VM running on OSX).

Cheers,

Coatsy

Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1 Epping 
Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 • 
http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2014 9:41 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT] Phone development and Hyper-V

I could never have imagined that Windows 8 phone development used Hyper-V for 
emulation. I spent hours installing a fresh VS2013 with all updates in Windows 
8.1 VMWare Player, and after writing test a phone app which looks lovely in the 
designer, I'm unable to run it due to the exact problem described by this guy:

http://celticcodingsolutions.com/Blog/post/2014/06/13/Error-running-Phone-Emulator-on-Windows-81-and-VS2013-in-VMWare-Workstation-8.aspx

One of the Hyper-V components is not running

Am I snookered or not? Can't I develop for Windows phone in a windows 8 VM? 
Searches on this problem produce nothing useful so far. Has anyone else 
overcome this problem?

Greg K


RE: VS2013 Windows Phone project

2014-11-19 Thread Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA)
Hi Greg

 It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this pleasantly across all the 
 brands

You almost can – check out Xamarin and particularly Xamarin Forms. Especially 
with the recent announcements (community edition of VS and the doubling of the 
size limits plus VS support on the Xamarin starter edition), this is a very 
affordable and extremely productive way to develop mobile apps across 3 major 
platforms.

Cheers

Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1 Epping 
Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 • 
http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014 8:32 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

Hi Ian, Stephen at al, FYI I was loaned an Intel Mac for this specific phone 
job, and I put Windows 8.1 and VS2013.4 on it and the phone emulator runs fine 
with Hyper-V. I didn't realise until a couple of days ago that Windows Phone 
development is such a familiar experience if you already know WPF or 
Silverlight. It's all familiar XAML and coding patterns and almost all of the 
important class libraries are available and ready-to-go. All of the phone 
specific stuff is nicely separated and you can reference it when you feel the 
need. It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this pleasantly across all 
the brands -- Greg

On 18 November 2014 17:17, ILT (O) 
il.tho...@outlook.commailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

Greg - Yes, Windows 8 has the Hyper-V. But I know that a  few people have used 
the WP8 SDK on Windows 7. I think a requirement is 64-bit Windows? But the 
VS2012 Express version is suitable.

I found this a good jump-off point - Developing Apps for Windows 
8http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/ff402551(v=vs.105).aspx 
- possibly the topic about requirements for the emulator is what you needed to 
see first, though.

I do have a Windows Phone, and after a long delay it was updated to WP8.1 a few 
months ago (Australia followed later than many countries). A beginners tool is 
called Windows App Studio - I just found its tutorial location again, 
herehttp://appstudio.windows.com/en-us.

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:32 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

Hi Ian (and Stephen),

No I was absentmindedly on Windows 7 where I do the bulk of my normal work.

In a tiny hint in some web search I saw a comment about no support in

Windows 7. I just went over to a VM running VS2013 retail and it has lots

of phone templates, so there you go! I staggers me though, as I thought it

was all simulated and I find it hard to believe a certain type of VS

project needs Windows 8. That means that Windows 8 is actually useful for

something!! (for the wrong reasons) -- *Greg*

On 18 November 2014 14:42, ILT (O) 
il.tho...@outlook.commailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

 Are you developing on Windows 8.1 with VS2013?





 --



 Ian Thomas

 Albert Park, Victoria







 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:

 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *Greg Keogh

 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:22 PM

 *To:* ozDotNet

 *Subject:* VS2013 Windows Phone project







 Folks, I have been asked to write a demo Windows Phone app, which I've

 never done before, but I'm keen to give it a bash. However, I'm off to a

 bad start. VS2013 Update 4 has no New Project template for a phone app. I

 have installed all VS2013 features. I can see the Windows Phone SDK v8.0

 and v8.1 folders under Program Files(x86). Web searches hint that I should

 just be able to select New Project and off I go. What's missing? -- *Greg

 K*





What happened yesterday with Azure?

2014-11-19 Thread Corneliu I. Tusnea
Hi every,

Yesterday Azure had a massive outage with 80% of the Azure going down world
wide.
At some point only the Australian, Brazil and Japan DCs were still working.

http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/#history

The outage took down XBox and Office 365 and of course everyone else
running on Azure.

There deems to be no news from Microsoft of what went wrong and why.

Jeffrey Fritz gave an explanation but I'm not buying it:
http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/11/19/fritz-azure-outage-web-sites.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

Anybody has any other details about this?

Thanks,
Corneliu.


Re: What happened yesterday with Azure?

2014-11-19 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
This effected me bad, although at least it happened during our day time so
I was immediately aware and could communicate to users.

Not exactly sure what happened but I think it was related to Cloud Storage
being down. Many of the services rely on Cloud Storage so when it is dead
almost everything is dead. Things that concerned me are

a) How can a problem happen simultaneously is almost every data center.
Shouldn't they be isolated so that can't happen.
b) They need to communicate better during outages. The status page is to
slow to update and often not accurate. They need a Twitter account giving
updates every 5 minutes.

Craig

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea corne...@acorns.com.au
 wrote:

 Hi every,

 Yesterday Azure had a massive outage with 80% of the Azure going down
 world wide.
 At some point only the Australian, Brazil and Japan DCs were still working.

 http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/#history

 The outage took down XBox and Office 365 and of course everyone else
 running on Azure.

 There deems to be no news from Microsoft of what went wrong and why.

 Jeffrey Fritz gave an explanation but I'm not buying it:

 http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/11/19/fritz-azure-outage-web-sites.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 Anybody has any other details about this?

 Thanks,
 Corneliu.






Re: What happened yesterday with Azure?

2014-11-19 Thread Corneliu I. Tusnea
Craig,

There is a twitter status page:
https://twitter.com/azurestatus

It's still not updated .. even if it has heaps of other status updates ...
:(



On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
wrote:

 This effected me bad, although at least it happened during our day time so
 I was immediately aware and could communicate to users.

 Not exactly sure what happened but I think it was related to Cloud Storage
 being down. Many of the services rely on Cloud Storage so when it is dead
 almost everything is dead. Things that concerned me are

 a) How can a problem happen simultaneously is almost every data center.
 Shouldn't they be isolated so that can't happen.
 b) They need to communicate better during outages. The status page is to
 slow to update and often not accurate. They need a Twitter account giving
 updates every 5 minutes.

 Craig

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea 
 corne...@acorns.com.au wrote:

 Hi every,

 Yesterday Azure had a massive outage with 80% of the Azure going down
 world wide.
 At some point only the Australian, Brazil and Japan DCs were still
 working.

 http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/#history

 The outage took down XBox and Office 365 and of course everyone else
 running on Azure.

 There deems to be no news from Microsoft of what went wrong and why.

 Jeffrey Fritz gave an explanation but I'm not buying it:

 http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/11/19/fritz-azure-outage-web-sites.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 Anybody has any other details about this?

 Thanks,
 Corneliu.







Re: What happened yesterday with Azure?

2014-11-19 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Also, the failover he describes in the article is no good in yesterdays
problem. I had that failover configured but it is no good if every data
center goes down!

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
wrote:

 This effected me bad, although at least it happened during our day time so
 I was immediately aware and could communicate to users.

 Not exactly sure what happened but I think it was related to Cloud Storage
 being down. Many of the services rely on Cloud Storage so when it is dead
 almost everything is dead. Things that concerned me are

 a) How can a problem happen simultaneously is almost every data center.
 Shouldn't they be isolated so that can't happen.
 b) They need to communicate better during outages. The status page is to
 slow to update and often not accurate. They need a Twitter account giving
 updates every 5 minutes.

 Craig

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea 
 corne...@acorns.com.au wrote:

 Hi every,

 Yesterday Azure had a massive outage with 80% of the Azure going down
 world wide.
 At some point only the Australian, Brazil and Japan DCs were still
 working.

 http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/#history

 The outage took down XBox and Office 365 and of course everyone else
 running on Azure.

 There deems to be no news from Microsoft of what went wrong and why.

 Jeffrey Fritz gave an explanation but I'm not buying it:

 http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/11/19/fritz-azure-outage-web-sites.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 Anybody has any other details about this?

 Thanks,
 Corneliu.







Re: What happened yesterday with Azure?

2014-11-19 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Yes, but that doesn't really provide any useful info. I want to know what
the problem is, when will it be fixed and what we can do in the mean time.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea corne...@acorns.com.au
 wrote:

 Craig,

 There is a twitter status page:
 https://twitter.com/azurestatus

 It's still not updated .. even if it has heaps of other status updates ...
 :(



 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 This effected me bad, although at least it happened during our day time
 so I was immediately aware and could communicate to users.

 Not exactly sure what happened but I think it was related to Cloud
 Storage being down. Many of the services rely on Cloud Storage so when it
 is dead almost everything is dead. Things that concerned me are

 a) How can a problem happen simultaneously is almost every data center.
 Shouldn't they be isolated so that can't happen.
 b) They need to communicate better during outages. The status page is to
 slow to update and often not accurate. They need a Twitter account giving
 updates every 5 minutes.

 Craig

 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea 
 corne...@acorns.com.au wrote:

 Hi every,

 Yesterday Azure had a massive outage with 80% of the Azure going down
 world wide.
 At some point only the Australian, Brazil and Japan DCs were still
 working.

 http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/#history

 The outage took down XBox and Office 365 and of course everyone else
 running on Azure.

 There deems to be no news from Microsoft of what went wrong and why.

 Jeffrey Fritz gave an explanation but I'm not buying it:

 http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2014/11/19/fritz-azure-outage-web-sites.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter

 Anybody has any other details about this?

 Thanks,
 Corneliu.








Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

2014-11-19 Thread Greg Keogh
Hi Andrew, you must have missed some chat earlier in the week. I didn't
know that the phone simulator relied on Hyper-V, so I was taken by
surprise. That's solved by being loaned a Mac running Windows 8.1 on the
metal. I've previously downloaded Xamarin for evaluation and I spent hours
reading their online docs and I doodled with some projects. I'm sceptical
that the starter edition would satisfy my needs, as I get the impression
that their forms feature in the business edition is probably the most
productive way to go. However if their starter edition with expanded quotas
runs in VS2013 premium then I'll give it a try -- *Greg K*

On 20 November 2014 09:50, Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA) 
andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Hi Greg



  It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this pleasantly across all
 the brands



 You almost can – check out Xamarin and particularly Xamarin Forms.
 Especially with the recent announcements (community edition of VS and the
 doubling of the size limits plus VS support on the Xamarin starter
 edition), this is a very affordable and extremely productive way to develop
 mobile apps across 3 major platforms.



 Cheers



 Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1
 Epping Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
 Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 •
 http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Thursday, 20 November 2014 8:32 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project



 Hi Ian, Stephen at al, FYI I was loaned an Intel Mac for this specific
 phone job, and I put Windows 8.1 and VS2013.4 on it and the phone emulator
 runs fine with Hyper-V. I didn't realise until a couple of days ago that
 Windows Phone development is such a familiar experience if you already know
 WPF or Silverlight. It's all familiar XAML and coding patterns and almost
 all of the important class libraries are available and ready-to-go. All of
 the phone specific stuff is nicely separated and you can reference it when
 you feel the need. It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this
 pleasantly across all the brands -- *Greg*



 On 18 November 2014 17:17, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Greg - Yes, Windows 8 has the Hyper-V. But I know that a  few people
 have used the WP8 SDK on Windows 7. I think a requirement is 64-bit
 Windows? But the VS2012 Express version is suitable.

 I found this a good jump-off point - Developing Apps for Windows 8
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/ff402551(v=vs.105).aspx
 - possibly the topic about *requirements for the emulator* is what you
 needed to see first, though.

 I do have a Windows Phone, and after a long delay it was updated to WP8.1
 a few months ago (Australia followed later than many countries). A
 beginners tool is called Windows App Studio - I just found its tutorial
 location again, here http://appstudio.windows.com/en-us.

 Ian Thomas

 Albert Park, Victoria

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:32 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

 Hi Ian (and Stephen),

 No I was absentmindedly on Windows 7 where I do the bulk of my normal work.

 In a tiny hint in some web search I saw a comment about no support in

 Windows 7. I just went over to a VM running VS2013 retail and it has lots

 of phone templates, so there you go! I staggers me though, as I thought it

 was all simulated and I find it hard to believe a certain type of VS

 project needs Windows 8. That means that Windows 8 is actually useful for

 something!! (for the wrong reasons) -- *Greg*

 On 18 November 2014 14:42, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Are you developing on Windows 8.1 with VS2013?

 

 

  --

 

  Ian Thomas

  Albert Park, Victoria

 

 

 

  *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:

  ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh

  *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:22 PM

  *To:* ozDotNet

  *Subject:* VS2013 Windows Phone project

 

 

 

  Folks, I have been asked to write a demo Windows Phone app, which I've

  never done before, but I'm keen to give it a bash. However, I'm off to a

  bad start. VS2013 Update 4 has no New Project template for a phone app. I

  have installed all VS2013 features. I can see the Windows Phone SDK v8.0

  and v8.1 folders under Program Files(x86). Web searches hint that I
 should

  just be able to select New Project and off I go. What's missing? -- *Greg

  K*

 





Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

2014-11-19 Thread Stephen Price
Yeah, Xamarin is currently looking like the best option for a C# developer
to develop for cross platform devices.
I ran a demo at Perth .net user group where I showed a solution with 4
target OS's in one, and how/where you share your code between them. Window
(store), Windows Phone, iOS and Android.
The down side of them bringing out the community stuff is that my license I
bought (not cheap) so I could use Visual Studio won't be needed. The upside
is I probably won't need to renew it when it expires (unless I'm actually
using it for paid work, I will use the community ed).
C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure
its elsewhere.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Andrew Coates (DX AUSTRALIA) 
andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:

  Hi Greg



  It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this pleasantly across all
 the brands



 You almost can – check out Xamarin and particularly Xamarin Forms.
 Especially with the recent announcements (community edition of VS and the
 doubling of the size limits plus VS support on the Xamarin starter
 edition), this is a very affordable and extremely productive way to develop
 mobile apps across 3 major platforms.



 Cheers



 Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1
 Epping Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
 Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 • Mob +61 (416) 134 993 • Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 •
 http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Thursday, 20 November 2014 8:32 AM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project



 Hi Ian, Stephen at al, FYI I was loaned an Intel Mac for this specific
 phone job, and I put Windows 8.1 and VS2013.4 on it and the phone emulator
 runs fine with Hyper-V. I didn't realise until a couple of days ago that
 Windows Phone development is such a familiar experience if you already know
 WPF or Silverlight. It's all familiar XAML and coding patterns and almost
 all of the important class libraries are available and ready-to-go. All of
 the phone specific stuff is nicely separated and you can reference it when
 you feel the need. It's a damn shame you can't write phone apps this
 pleasantly across all the brands -- *Greg*



 On 18 November 2014 17:17, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Greg - Yes, Windows 8 has the Hyper-V. But I know that a  few people
 have used the WP8 SDK on Windows 7. I think a requirement is 64-bit
 Windows? But the VS2012 Express version is suitable.

 I found this a good jump-off point - Developing Apps for Windows 8
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/ff402551(v=vs.105).aspx
 - possibly the topic about *requirements for the emulator* is what you
 needed to see first, though.

 I do have a Windows Phone, and after a long delay it was updated to WP8.1
 a few months ago (Australia followed later than many countries). A
 beginners tool is called Windows App Studio - I just found its tutorial
 location again, here http://appstudio.windows.com/en-us.

 Ian Thomas

 Albert Park, Victoria

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 4:32 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

 Hi Ian (and Stephen),

 No I was absentmindedly on Windows 7 where I do the bulk of my normal work.

 In a tiny hint in some web search I saw a comment about no support in

 Windows 7. I just went over to a VM running VS2013 retail and it has lots

 of phone templates, so there you go! I staggers me though, as I thought it

 was all simulated and I find it hard to believe a certain type of VS

 project needs Windows 8. That means that Windows 8 is actually useful for

 something!! (for the wrong reasons) -- *Greg*

 On 18 November 2014 14:42, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote:

  Are you developing on Windows 8.1 with VS2013?

 

 

  --

 

  Ian Thomas

  Albert Park, Victoria

 

 

 

  *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:

  ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh

  *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:22 PM

  *To:* ozDotNet

  *Subject:* VS2013 Windows Phone project

 

 

 

  Folks, I have been asked to write a demo Windows Phone app, which I've

  never done before, but I'm keen to give it a bash. However, I'm off to a

  bad start. VS2013 Update 4 has no New Project template for a phone app. I

  have installed all VS2013 features. I can see the Windows Phone SDK v8.0

  and v8.1 folders under Program Files(x86). Web searches hint that I
 should

  just be able to select New Project and off I go. What's missing? -- *Greg

  K*

 





Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project

2014-11-19 Thread Greg Keogh

 C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure
 its elsewhere.


I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ...
Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F#
support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old
VB sucks Fridays!

*Greg*


VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)

2014-11-19 Thread DotNet Dude
Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not
completely a dinosaur...yet. :p


On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure
 its elsewhere.


 I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ...
 Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F#
 support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the
 old VB sucks Fridays!

 *Greg*



Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)

2014-11-19 Thread Mark Hurd
Yes, there are still VB.NET programmers around. My workplace is using
C# for many new projects but we have lots of VB.NET (and some VB6)
legacy stuff that won't go away.

-- 
Regards,
Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)

On 20 November 2014 16:07, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not
 completely a dinosaur...yet. :p


 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure
 its elsewhere.


 I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ...
 Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support
 documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks
 Fridays!

 Greg


Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)

2014-11-19 Thread mike smith
It's Thursday, we can have it tomorrow.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not
 completely a dinosaur...yet. :p


 On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure
 its elsewhere.


 I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to
 C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F#
 support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the
 old VB sucks Fridays!

 *Greg*





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