subject:"Microsoft BUILD \/ Windows 8"

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-19 Thread Stephen Price

Does that mean I'm going to get it all over me, and make a mess?

Thanks for the link, some cool resources there. I'm a little hesitant to
accept that the site is targeted at me though. Probably the developer in me
screaming. The designer in me seems ok with it. (the internal conflict
continues)

cheers,
Stephen

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote:

http://www.microsoft.com/design/toolbox/tutorials/windows-phone-7/metro/

Its all very be the melting ice cream in terms of knowledge / principles.

I am giving a talk in Sweden Oredev conference on this subject so as i get
closer to finalizing my talk, i'll def upload and provide some more hands on
approaches maybe?

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Stephen Price
step...@littlevoices.comwrote:

Is there any design guidelines for the new Metro styled apps yet?

I'm designing an app at the moment that's loosely following the Zune app
in style, but I also want it to fit in with the Windows 8 Metro apps as well
so that when its released it fits in nicely.
Seems to be lots of block colours and chromeless UI (which I'm sticking to
as close as I can). I was hoping for a document that's been used for the
apps, rather than having to reverse engineer it all.
the do's and don'ts to be consistent. Lots of these things can be really
subtle and easily missed until pointed out.

cheers,
Stephen

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing
combined with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on
one computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the
Azure ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their
other computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they
will just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the
metro themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general
Operating System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2
different contexts (Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-18 Thread John Li

On switching apps:
Good-old Alt-Tab works for me? Or Ctrl-Alt-Tab to keep it open and pick?

John

From: ton...@tpg.com.au
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:41:15 +1000

I have to agree with what you’re saying about flicking between apps.
And you’ve got a tablet - it’s even harder with a mouse!

As far as I can tell, you have to go so close to the left border of the
desktop and then it seems to only show the previous view/app you were
using. I would have thought it would show all the apps that you
currently have activated (but are probably suspended) allowing you to
slide between the various apps.

Also, it took me a while to figure out that the start button was still
available because it was so far down in the bottom left corner that I’m
surprised I actually stumbled across it with the mouse.

I know it’s early days and it’s designed for touch – but I’m worried
it’s going to upset a lot of people if they don’t work out how to make
that more intuitive. There’s is a lot of existing hardware that it’s
going to have to run on that is not touch ready.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 5:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

For those wanting to play with it inside a virtual machine, i'd
recommend you instead boot directly into Win8 as a VHD instead.

Here is a guide from Scott Hanselman

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8DeveloperPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx

One of those annoying things I'm finding with the new tile interface,
is trying to swap from one app to another. You need to keep flicking
your finger from the left to cycle through the apps. It makes it really
difficult to know if your app is still actually in the back stack, or
where exactly it is. I keep flicking through, cycling through twice
only to discover that my app isn't open any more, or I keep missing it
and need to keep cycling through again.

Having a way to switch apps with say, similar to how you can quick
switch on iOS would make it so much more functional.

-David Burela

On 16 September 2011 16:33, Grant Maw
grant@gmail.commailto:grant@gmail.com wrote:

No, Win7 64 bit host. x64 Win8 preview.

On 16 September 2011 14:36, Winston Pang
winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Grant, were you doing it on a 32bit host environment? installing the
x64 Win8 preview build?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Grant Maw
grant@gmail.commailto:grant@gmail.com wrote:

To get it working on VirtualBox (assuming you had the same unexpected
error that I got) you need to do this :

In the settings for your virtual box, motherboard tab, make sure you
have selected Enable IO APIC, then on the Processor tab, make sure
Enable PAE/NX is selected.

I have also read somewhere that people are having trouble getting the
networking to work properly. I didn't have this issue but the current
wisdom for this is to go into settings and on Network-Adapter1-Advanced
choose the generic (Intel PRO/1000 MT) network card.

Hope that helps

Grant

On 16 September 2011 14:19, Winston Pang
winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, nice, thanks Ken, I was using virtual box, but it crapped itself.
So I thought it was across the board.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ken Schaefer
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even if
the host OS is 32bit

Cheers

Ken

From:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

Man it totally sucks.

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of
windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is
the only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean
david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:

Please also play around with the developer tools, I’d suggest
downloading the Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview
(http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx)

over the Express edition.

One thing you should

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-18 Thread Stephen Price

Is there any design guidelines for the new Metro styled apps yet?

I'm designing an app at the moment that's loosely following the Zune app in
style, but I also want it to fit in with the Windows 8 Metro apps as well so
that when its released it fits in nicely.
Seems to be lots of block colours and chromeless UI (which I'm sticking to
as close as I can). I was hoping for a document that's been used for the
apps, rather than having to reverse engineer it all.
the do's and don'ts to be consistent. Lots of these things can be really
subtle and easily missed until pointed out.

cheers,
Stephen

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts
(Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-18 Thread Scott Barnes

http://www.microsoft.com/design/toolbox/tutorials/windows-phone-7/metro/

Its all very be the melting ice cream in terms of knowledge / principles.

I am giving a talk in Sweden Oredev conference on this subject so as i get
closer to finalizing my talk, i'll def upload and provide some more hands on
approaches maybe?

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.comwrote:

Is there any design guidelines for the new Metro styled apps yet?

I'm designing an app at the moment that's loosely following the Zune app in
style, but I also want it to fit in with the Windows 8 Metro apps as well so
that when its released it fits in nicely.
Seems to be lots of block colours and chromeless UI (which I'm sticking to
as close as I can). I was hoping for a document that's been used for the
apps, rather than having to reverse engineer it all.
the do's and don'ts to be consistent. Lots of these things can be really
subtle and easily missed until pointed out.

cheers,
Stephen

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:12 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general
Operating System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2
different contexts (Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-17 Thread Scott Barnes

point you gotta sober up and look at this thing in the light of day.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:53 AM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote:

For those wanting to play with it inside a virtual machine, i'd recommend
you instead boot directly into Win8 as a VHD instead.
Here is a guide from Scott Hanselman

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8DeveloperPreviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx

One of those annoying things I'm finding with the new tile interface, is
trying to swap from one app to another. You need to keep flicking your
finger from the left to cycle through the apps. It makes it really difficult
to know if your app is still actually in the back stack, or where exactly it
is. I keep flicking through, cycling through twice only to discover that my
app isn't open any more, or I keep missing it and need to keep cycling
through again.
Having a way to switch apps with say, similar to how you can quick switch
on iOS would make it so much more functional.

-David Burela

On 16 September 2011 16:33, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote:

No, Win7 64 bit host. x64 Win8 preview.

On 16 September 2011 14:36, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Grant, were you doing it on a 32bit host environment? installing the x64
Win8 preview build?

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote:

To get it working on VirtualBox (assuming you had the same unexpected
error that I got) you need to do this :
In the settings for your virtual box, motherboard tab, make sure you
have selected Enable IO APIC, then on the Processor tab, make sure
Enable
PAE/NX is selected.

I have also read somewhere that people are having trouble getting the
networking to work properly. I didn't have this issue but the current
wisdom
for this is to go into settings and on Network-Adapter1-Advanced choose the
generic (Intel PRO/1000 MT) network card.

Hope that helps

Grant

On 16 September 2011 14:19, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, nice, thanks Ken, I was using virtual box, but it crapped itself.
So I thought it was across the board.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ken Schaefer
k...@adopenstatic.comwrote:

Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even
if the host OS is 32bit

** **

Cheers

Ken

** **

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
*Sent:* Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM

*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

** **

Man it totally sucks.

** **

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of
windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the
only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

** **

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

** **

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean
david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:

Please also play around with the developer tools, I’d suggest
downloading the Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview (
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx)
over the Express edition.

One thing you should be aware of is that we only have a certain amount
of time to react to feedback before the Beta – so please, please tell us
what you think.

Although Windows 8 seems to be getting the most attention, if you use
TFS, there’s a bunch of goodness in this release which I’ve been
dogfooding
for the past 6 months; Agile tools to manage stories and tasks, *My
Work* which is basically a Pending changes on steroids, and a new
built-in Code Review tool.

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
*Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:23 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me
in an endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was
because
I installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted it,
installing
from scratch. Went much better second time.

It makes my slate so much nicer to use. Windows 7 was not fantastic
for touch input. Windows 8 makes it so much nicer. It gives my slate two
modes of use, walk around the house, drive with finger mode (classic
tablet)
and then keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to do any desktop stuff.

Really fast to shutdown and start up. Its like less than 5 seconds to
get to the login screen.

Unfortunately my slate has an problem where it just powers off
randomly. Hardware issue, it started doing it a week ago and is still
doing
it. need to send it back for repair :(

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, William Luu

RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-17 Thread Tony Wright

I have to agree with what you're saying about flicking between apps. And
you've got a tablet - it's even harder with a mouse!

 

As far as I can tell, you have to go so close to the left border of the
desktop and then it seems to only show the previous view/app you were using.
I would have thought it would show all the apps that you currently have
activated (but are probably suspended) allowing you to slide between the
various apps.

 

Also, it took me a while to figure out that the start button was still
available because it was so far down in the bottom left corner that I'm
surprised I actually stumbled across it with the mouse.

 

I know it's early days and it's designed for touch - but I'm worried it's
going to upset a lot of people if they don't work out how to make that more
intuitive. There's is a lot of existing hardware that it's going to have to
run on that is not touch ready.

 

T.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2011 5:54 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

 

For those wanting to play with it inside a virtual machine, i'd recommend
you instead boot directly into Win8 as a VHD instead.

Here is a guide from Scott Hanselman

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GuideToInstallingAndBootingWindows8DeveloperPr
eviewOffAVHDVirtualHardDisk.aspx

 

 

One of those annoying things I'm finding with the new tile interface, is
trying to swap from one app to another. You need to keep flicking your
finger from the left to cycle through the apps. It makes it really difficult
to know if your app is still actually in the back stack, or where exactly it
is. I keep flicking through, cycling through twice only to discover that my
app isn't open any more, or I keep missing it and need to keep cycling
through again.

Having a way to switch apps with say, similar to how you can quick switch on
iOS would make it so much more functional.

 

-David Burela

On 16 September 2011 16:33, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote:

No, Win7 64 bit host. x64 Win8 preview.

 

On 16 September 2011 14:36, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Grant, were you doing it on a 32bit host environment? installing the x64
Win8 preview build?

 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com wrote:

To get it working on VirtualBox (assuming you had the same unexpected
error that I got) you need to do this :

In the settings for your virtual box, motherboard tab, make sure you have
selected Enable IO APIC, then on the Processor tab, make sure Enable
PAE/NX is selected.

 

I have also read somewhere that people are having trouble getting the
networking to work properly. I didn't have this issue but the current wisdom
for this is to go into settings and on Network-Adapter1-Advanced choose the
generic (Intel PRO/1000 MT) network card.

 

Hope that helps

 

Grant

On 16 September 2011 14:19, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, nice, thanks Ken, I was using virtual box, but it crapped itself. So I
thought it  was across the board.

 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even if the
host OS is 32bit

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

 

Man it totally sucks.

 

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of
windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the
only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

 

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

 

 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
wrote:

Please also play around with the developer tools, I'd suggest downloading
the Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview
(http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-
11-developer-preview.aspx) over the Express edition.

 

One thing you should be aware of is that we only have a certain amount of
time to react to feedback before the Beta - so please, please tell us what
you think.

 

Although Windows 8 seems to be getting the most attention, if you use TFS,
there's a bunch of goodness in this release which I've been dogfooding for
the past 6 months; Agile tools to manage stories and tasks, My Work which is
basically a Pending changes on steroids, and a new built-in Code Review
tool.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

 

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me in an
endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was because I
installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted

Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread David Burela

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts
(Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking is
going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a webpage
in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone on MSN,
is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread William Luu

Thanks David.

That's one of the better summaries I've read thus far.

On 16 September 2011 01:12, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts
(Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread Stephen Price

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me in an
endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was because I
installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted it, installing
from scratch. Went much better second time.

It makes my slate so much nicer to use. Windows 7 was not fantastic for
touch input. Windows 8 makes it so much nicer. It gives my slate two modes
of use, walk around the house, drive with finger mode (classic tablet) and
then keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to do any desktop stuff.

Really fast to shutdown and start up. Its like less than 5 seconds to get to
the login screen.

Unfortunately my slate has an problem where it just powers off randomly.
Hardware issue, it started doing it a week ago and is still doing it. need
to send it back for repair :(

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, William Luu will@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks David.

That's one of the better summaries I've read thus far.

On 16 September 2011 01:12, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

*Some quick thoughts:*
*Development*
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

*as a desktop*
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general
Operating System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2
different contexts (Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

-David Burela

RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread David Kean

Please also play around with the developer tools, I'd suggest downloading the 
Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview 
(http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx)
 over the Express edition.

One thing you should be aware of is that we only have a certain amount of time 
to react to feedback before the Beta - so please, please tell us what you think.

Although Windows 8 seems to be getting the most attention, if you use TFS, 
there's a bunch of goodness in this release which I've been dogfooding for the 
past 6 months; Agile tools to manage stories and tasks, My Work which is 
basically a Pending changes on steroids, and a new built-in Code Review tool.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me in an 
endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was because I 
installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted it, installing from 
scratch. Went much better second time.

It makes my slate so much nicer to use. Windows 7 was not fantastic for touch 
input. Windows 8 makes it so much nicer. It gives my slate two modes of use, 
walk around the house, drive with finger mode (classic tablet) and then 
keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to do any desktop stuff.

Really fast to shutdown and start up. Its like less than 5 seconds to get to 
the login screen.

Unfortunately my slate has an problem where it just powers off randomly. 
Hardware issue, it started doing it a week ago and is still doing it. need to 
send it back for repair :(
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, William Luu 
will@gmail.commailto:will@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks David.

That's one of the better summaries I've read thus far.

On 16 September 2011 01:12, David Burela 
david.bur...@gmail.commailto:david.bur...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing list 
yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1  day 2 keynotes
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

Some quick thoughts:
Development
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that allow 
you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image editor, then 
have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined with 
the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one computer (e.g. 
using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure ACS), the 
credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other computers. So 
later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will just be logged in 
straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

as a desktop
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro 
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating 
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts 
(Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you back 
to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking is 
going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a webpage in 
the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone on MSN, is a 
jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread Winston Pang

Man it totally sucks.

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of
windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the
only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote:

Please also play around with the developer tools, I’d suggest downloading
the Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview (
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx)
over the Express edition.

** **

One thing you should be aware of is that we only have a certain amount of
time to react to feedback before the Beta – so please, please tell us what
you think.

** **

Although Windows 8 seems to be getting the most attention, if you use TFS,
there’s a bunch of goodness in this release which I’ve been dogfooding for
the past 6 months; Agile tools to manage stories and tasks, *My Work*which is
basically a Pending changes on steroids, and a new built-in Code
Review tool.

** **

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me in an
endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was because I
installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted it, installing
from scratch. Went much better second time.

** **

It makes my slate so much nicer to use. Windows 7 was not fantastic for
touch input. Windows 8 makes it so much nicer. It gives my slate two modes
of use, walk around the house, drive with finger mode (classic tablet) and
then keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to do any desktop stuff.

** **

Really fast to shutdown and start up. Its like less than 5 seconds to get
to the login screen.

** **

Unfortunately my slate has an problem where it just powers off randomly.
Hardware issue, it started doing it a week ago and is still doing it. need
to send it back for repair :(

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, William Luu will@gmail.com wrote:**
**

Thanks David.

** **

That's one of the better summaries I've read thus far.

** **

On 16 September 2011 01:12, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com wrote:**
**

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing
list yet.

** **

I've got some notes about the day 1 day 2 keynotes

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/

http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

** **

*Some quick thoughts:*

*Development*

The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that
allow you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image
editor, then have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.

User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined
with the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one
computer (e.g. using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure
ACS), the credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other
computers. So later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will
just be logged in straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

** **

*as a desktop*

The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro
themed style is cool

However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts
(Tile interface, classic desktop).

I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you
back to the tiles.

I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking
is going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a
webpage in the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone
on MSN, is a jarring experience.

** **

-David Burela

** **

RE: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread Ken Schaefer

Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even if the 
host OS is 32bit

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

Man it totally sucks.

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of windows 
is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the only version 
that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean 
david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:
Please also play around with the developer tools, I'd suggest downloading the 
Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview 
(http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jasonz/archive/2011/09/14/announcing-visual-studio-11-developer-preview.aspx)
 over the Express edition.

One thing you should be aware of is that we only have a certain amount of time 
to react to feedback before the Beta - so please, please tell us what you think.

Although Windows 8 seems to be getting the most attention, if you use TFS, 
there's a bunch of goodness in this release which I've been dogfooding for the 
past 6 months; Agile tools to manage stories and tasks, My Work which is 
basically a Pending changes on steroids, and a new built-in Code Review tool.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

I installed it on my Asus eee slate last night. First attempt left me in an 
endless boot loop telling me there was a problem. Maybe it was because I 
installed it in a pub? Backed up hard drive and formatted it, installing from 
scratch. Went much better second time.

It makes my slate so much nicer to use. Windows 7 was not fantastic for touch 
input. Windows 8 makes it so much nicer. It gives my slate two modes of use, 
walk around the house, drive with finger mode (classic tablet) and then 
keyboard and mouse (bluetooth) to do any desktop stuff.

Really fast to shutdown and start up. Its like less than 5 seconds to get to 
the login screen.

Unfortunately my slate has an problem where it just powers off randomly. 
Hardware issue, it started doing it a week ago and is still doing it. need to 
send it back for repair :(
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:18 AM, William Luu 
will@gmail.commailto:will@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks David.

That's one of the better summaries I've read thus far.

On 16 September 2011 01:12, David Burela 
david.bur...@gmail.commailto:david.bur...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion around this on the mailing list 
yet.

I've got some notes about the day 1  day 2 keynotes
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/build-keynote-day-1metro-experience-with-jupiter-xaml-and-html5js/
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2011/09/15/build-keynote-day-2windows-server-8-and-developer-tools/

Some quick thoughts:
Development
The new functionality for the immersive apps is cool. The charms that allow 
you to share data between applications (edit an image in an image editor, then 
have another app directly upload it to twitter) is cool.
User account syncing across desktops is also interesting. Syncing combined with 
the Credential locker allows a user to log in to an app on one computer (e.g. 
using Facebook or Google credentials to log in via the Azure ACS), the 
credentials are saved in the locker and synced to their other computers. So 
later if they pick up a tablet and launch the app, they will just be logged in 
straight away. and it only takes ~3 lines of code.

as a desktop
The new tile start screen is cool. and the new immersive apps in the metro 
themed style is cool
However I am finding it really frustrating to use it as a general Operating 
System, as I keep getting mentally confused between the 2 different contexts 
(Tile interface, classic desktop).
I keep hitting start to bring up my list of programs, but that takes you back 
to the tiles.
I also don't see how my traditional multi monitor setup with multitasking is 
going to work in this world of new immersive style apps. Reading a webpage in 
the chromeless immersive app and then trying to chat with someone on MSN, is a 
jarring experience.

-David Burela

Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

2011-09-15 Thread Winston Pang

Ah, nice, thanks Ken, I was using virtual box, but it crapped itself. So I
thought it was across the board.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

Applications like VMWare Workstation will let you run 64bit VMs even if
the host OS is 32bit

** **

Cheers

Ken

** **

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
*Sent:* Friday, 16 September 2011 10:58 AM

*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft BUILD / Windows 8

** **

Man it totally sucks.

** **

I wanted to install x64 on a VM but forgot that my current install of
windows is 32bit, so it wont run the Windows 8 x64 version, which is the
only version that has the VS2011 express dev tools, GAHHH

** **

And that link requires MSDN subscription only.

** **

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
wrote: